The song Erika Kane on her Greatest Hits is a really cool almost house
track.
it's only a matter of time before Madonna starts
wailing over bubbling 303 basslines
Aliyah already pulled off the best pop-acid song ever.
Try Again is the JM
totally agree. that song is to r n
Me too. ;)
Oslo is sweet.
Lineups like this make me wish I lived in Detroit.
that reminds me, did anyone catch Raiders of the Lost Arp?
- jobot
- Original Message -
From: Matt MacQueen [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Tuesday, June 22, 2004 10:57 pm
Subject: (313) Suburban Knight,
I really like the experimental techno/house sound (Geez n Gosh, Akufen,
Pantytec, Sutekh, Matthew Dear, Twerk, Monolake, etc) and was wondering if
anyone could suggest American releases in that ballpark?
I'm hoping to find something like a cross between Octave One and Akufen,
or maybe Infiniti
www.zer0gsounds.com
featuring a couple (ex?) 313ers
On Jun 23, 2004, at 22:54, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I really like the experimental techno/house sound (Geez n Gosh, Akufen,
Pantytec, Sutekh, Matthew Dear, Twerk, Monolake, etc) and was
wondering if
anyone could suggest American releases
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I really like the experimental techno/house sound (Geez n Gosh, Akufen,
Pantytec, Sutekh, Matthew Dear, Twerk, Monolake, etc) and was wondering if
anyone could suggest American releases in that ballpark?
How about Matthew Dear, Twerk and Sutekh? They're American ;-D
im really wanting the tone theory track on it. its a dif version of limbo
of vansihed possiblities. only on this comp.
if anyone has it and has the means to rip it from either the record or the
disc, PLEASE let me know. ive been searching for it for like 4-5 years now
and never find it.
try stuff on:
noise factory records
www.noisefactoryrecords.com
artists to check on this label: naw, robin judge, tinkertoy
piehead records
www.pieheadrecords.com
artists to check on this label:
andrew duke, naw, tinkertoy, self service, lots of others on that label
complot records
didn't you mention Matthew Dear? That should be a good place to start.
Last I checked he was a domestic kind of guy. But then again I could be
sadly mistaken and sound like a complete moron.
Did he do something on Ghostly International? I have never bought one of
his records so I am not
Yep, apparently born in Texas, based in Detroit
FC2 Richards wrote:
didn't you mention Matthew Dear? That should be a good place to start.
Last I checked he was a domestic kind of guy. But then again I could be
sadly mistaken and sound like a complete moron.
Did he do something on Ghostly
On Jun 23, 2004, at 15:41, FC2 Richards wrote:
Did he do something on Ghostly International? I have never bought one
of
his records so I am not completely sure...
spectral, a ghostly subsidiary
--
matt kane's brain
http://mkb-dj.org
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
So I've been having a bit of a discussion on a local messageboard about
laptop performances.
By and large, they're really BORING. It looks like people are checking
their email. Or, if they're bopping along, it looks like they're
checking important email but really need to go to the toilet.
not again!
solution is to play so impressive musik, noone thinks about show
otherwise, bring your dancers team to the stage.
..
/z99
it was 24.06.2004 when u've been going like this -=
:: So I've been having a bit of a discussion on a local messageboard about
:: laptop performances.
I too thought Mills' set was amazing.
I loved the way he used the old footage of Donna Summer, Chic Sugarhill
Gang - it was like they were performing live with him.
He played 'We are the Robots' as well - that was a definite highlight. I
don't hear enough Kraftwerk in clubs!
Mills was in
Without doubt, amongst the top-3 Jeff Mills sets I've seen.
And yes, I *am* counting. ;-)
k
-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, June 24, 2004 8:41 AM
To: 313@hyperreal.org
Subject: Re: (313) Sonar 2004: It Rocked!
I too thought
Check out the 'Blood and Fire' and the 'Pressure Sounds' labels for the Roots
style dub.
You can order online from them directly.
-Original Message-
From: matt kane's brain [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: 23 June 2004
it's interesting but a lot of laptop performers just don't have that
flair that the best dj's (and live performers for that matter) have.
an example of what i'm talking about is BMG's performance on the
+31/313 stage at Movement. his music was amazing but you can tell he
isn't a dj (which
ah the mighty joakim. loving his remixes, edits etc at the moment.
the max berlin one and the severed heads edit spring to mind (on kill
the dj)
robin
On 23 Jun 2004, at 21:14, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
nevermind
found it:
http://www.discogs.com/release/207922
On Wed, 23 Jun 2004
Name some laptop performances you've seen that
were really good SHOWS. And say why they were. Is it really simply a
case of having stellar visuals as well, or is there a whole new paradigm
out there for this type of performance?
Richard Devine a few years ago in Glasgow. He rocked the entire
I actually thought akufen was pretty good at sonar last year till his
computer broke down.
-Original Message-
From: Glenn McClements [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: 24 June 2004 10:23
To: Simon Hindle
Cc: 313@hyperreal.org
Subject: Re: (313) Laptop performances
Name some laptop
Don't we go here every couple of months...
But if you want names...
Surgeon/Female/Regis/Guy Called Gerald/Claude Young/Paula
Temple/Kraftwerk/Throbbing Gristle/Coil and so on...
Stop looking at the DJ and focus on what comes out of the speakers and we
are all laughing at Kraftwerk being called
On 24 Jun 2004, at 10:53, Gavin Daruvalla wrote:
I use only my laptop, and as for flair, well, surely the flair comes
on the mixer not on the decks? Unless your fackin Q-Bert or summit
just see someone like DJ Bone or Derrick May for what I mean by flair.
it's having that performers
Yeah i agree, it's funny because i heard and had the same discussion years ago
when the first 'all electronics' acts went on stage. People claiming that it
just didn't look right, just some nerds pushing buttons, it just looked boring
looking at people with just synths, drumcomputers samplers
Birth Cry of Cosmos heard
Sounds like Basic Channel background hiss to me to me. Im sure the first sound
bite has a kick drum : )
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/3832711.stm
ok, what ru listening to at the moment?
my M1s are currently pounding out:
Severed Heads - Joakim edit - Kill the DJ
Old classic revisited by Joakim on this TigerSushi related label. Edits
done in a modern style with stutters, delays etc. absolutely f'ing
brilliant.
Justus Kohncke -
DJ Bone - R.I.D.E - Subject Detroit
Ace Bone electro track, and to think I nearly didn't pick this up.
Check all 3 SD releases - they work really well together and have great
soul...
Cheers
Martin
DJ Bone - R.I.D.E - Subject Detroit
Ace Bone electro track, and to think I nearly didn't pick this up.
Check all 3 SD releases - they work really well together and have great
soul...
i completely agree, modern classics
(ok so i probs said this a couple of weeks ago, does change things tho
These are my recent purchases getting most play:
Brunchstueke 16 Basta EP
Dont know much about this but its excellent techno,
always changing never boring.
Unit 4 Body Dub
Been covered already
Sleeparchive elephant island Ep
Dont know much about this either but really good
electro
ADAM
BELL Seven Types Of Six 2LP
If you like the 12's then you will like this although
it has most (if not all of the tracks from them -
doesnt bother me though since I lost the one with
Rhythm machine on it and its on here ;-)
dunno how i forgot to add this one in my previous email. brilliant
This weeks for me...
Andre lodemann on moods and grooves
Mountain nights - the lost dubs
Nice picture disk kdj / mike huckaby on deep transportation#2
-Original Message-
From: robin [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: 24 June 2004 14:40
To: David Beattie
Cc: 313
Subject: Re: (313)
Just my personal preference here, but I don't really care what they're
doing on stage or what tools they're using. All that matters to me is the
music they create.
It's about the ears and not the eyes. If the music isn't good then no
amount of visual stimulation is going to change that. At that
Haven't been listening to very much new stuff lately. Matthew Dear's Leave
Luck To Heaven, enjoying the latest Run Stop Restore 12, the new Skinny
Puppy disc, and a lot of not even vaguely techno/313 related stuff. :)
I have a roughly two-month stack of 12's that I bought and haven't had a
chance
On Jun 24, 2004, at 4:23 AM, Glenn McClements wrote:
Conversely Plaid were on just before and looked utterly bored behind
their laptops, which was a pretty dull experience for everyone, even
though they had fantastic visuals.
I think that visuals is part of the solution. The music needs to
On Jun 24, 2004, at 8:43 AM, placid wrote:
This weeks for me...
Andre lodemann on moods and grooves
Yep
Nice picture disk kdj / mike huckaby on deep transportation#2
Hell yes, now (planet e take note): THIS is a proper re-issue. If
you're going to re-issue a track and
That said, I wouldn't be okay if someone just put a boombox up on
stage, inserted a CD, pressed play, and then sat down and read a book
while it played. I like to know that they're having at least *some*
active influence over the sounds being created. :)
That's the problem I have with some laptop
f*#k man how many times is this same thread going to come up on the
list...
whats the difference between some guy looking down at this knobs on a
peice of gear or some guy djing and playing with the mixer and some guy
looking down at his knobs on a midi controller
or his screen
get over it and
http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=storycid=519ncid=519e=3u=/ap/20040624/ap_on_re_us/fireworks_shooting
Anyone have more info on this?
Terrible - I used to love going downtown for that when I was a kid.
--
Dennis DeSantis
www.dennisdesantis.com
Hi all,
Well, this is a really timely topic, as tonight I am doing my VERY FIRST
Ableton laptop performance here in Chicago. However, I've already given my
friends a disclaimer not to expect it to be as visually interesting as my
DJing. That said, I've got an Evolution USB controller and I'm
On Jun 24, 2004, at 8:40 AM, robin wrote:
tunes in the post:
Candi Staton/bradock mixes on Honest Jon's
which track is this... You Got The Love ...or what?
peace
I hear what you are saying about MUSIC having the priority. In an ideal world,
maybe it would be that way.
BUT BUT BUT:
The average person is more visually-oriented, I think you really have to sell
a lot of people with the visual presentation in order to get them to have a
closer listen.
Candi Staton/bradock mixes on Honest Jon's
which track is this... You Got The Love ...or what?
this release:
http://www.juno.co.uk/IP/IF148229-01.htm
can't wait till it gets here :)
robin...
Hi David,
Any suggestions on keeping it fun that you all have though, I'd be
happy to hear!
I have two:
1) Drop the kick drum out and bring it back in, a lot. The kids these
days love that stuff.
2) A filter sweep ain't a filter sweep unless you make it look really
difficult. Turn
if you need visuals so badly go watch much music
I mean honestly what does a video playing in the back ground interactive
or not do for the live artist other then distract from thier music ...
i remember back in the early 90s all the way up untill the late 90s going
to parties/events where all
I have two:
1) Drop the kick drum out and bring it back in, a lot. The kids these
days love that stuff.
2) A filter sweep ain't a filter sweep unless you make it look really
difficult. Turn your ENTIRE BODY into the knob, rather than just your
thumb and index finger. Knob motions should
dennis ever think about writting a for dummies volume: laptop live pa
for dummies?
Im acctually very surprised you would even half joke about what you
said...
what is this live pa in a box?
do your thing how ever you do it there is no RIGHT or WRONG
if you decide to play an mp3 rather then
Neil Wiernik wrote:
dennis ever think about writting a for dummies volume: laptop live pa
for dummies?
I suspect there'd be a limited market ;)
Im acctually very surprised you would even half joke about what you
said...
what is this live pa in a box?
No, I just meant that, for
just noticed submerge is carrying a lot of new stuff, some new labels in
s.i.d. -- environ, kajmere (nice larry heard remix!), etc etc...turning more
and more into a one-stop shopping place...
stuff i'm digging:
roko dragonbreath - jumpin 2 conclusions (blacklabel) -- great electro, and
one
that is exactly what makes a live show BORING - a recipes, nothing worse
then a cookie cutter live artists, electronic or other wise...
like I said befor if the music is good and can stand on its own there is
no need for gimmicks, showmanship, videos or any thing as that stuff just
takes away
3 laptops, 400 people, 1 bottle of beer - you play Tony I'll whistle mate...
Now if that isn't ENTERTAINMENT, I don't know what is...
http://www.dustclub.com/gfx/DustandSurge.JPG
Easy
Martin
I do agree with your sentiment but the reality of it just doesn't add
up...
What is the point of doing it live, if there is nothing to look at, when
u can save yourself a load of bother and just stick on a cd-r u burned
the night before and stand behind the decksmy $0,02
Placid
I agree about the stop looking at the DJ part.
I'd be so happy to have more clubs take the emphasis off of the DJ and put
it back on the floor again. Maybe laptop DJs could do the same - take
themselves completely out of the performance or put themselves in a place
where it's impossible or
Neil Wiernik wrote:
that is exactly what makes a live show BORING - a recipes, nothing worse
then a cookie cutter live artists, electronic or other wise...
I completely agree, which is why it was offered with tounge-in-cheek. I
encourage anyone who's performing to perform their own way.
But,
you took the words out of my mouth.
- jobot
- Original Message -
From: David Gillies [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Wednesday, June 23, 2004 9:26 pm
Subject: Re: (313) A domestic Perlon-like sound??
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I really like the experimental techno/house sound (Geez n Gosh,
steven beaprea (aka crackhaus)
Oh christ, just when I had forgotten about that harmonica track...
- jobot
You take yourself VERY seriously Neil- I hope your music and
performance lives up to your rhetoric
Jason
On 24 Jun 2004, at 17:29, Neil Wiernik wrote:
dennis ever think about writting a for dummies volume: laptop live pa
for dummies?
Im acctually very surprised you would even half joke
hahahahahahahahaha. i was thinking the same thing.
tom
-- Original Message --
From: Jason Brunton [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Thu, 24 Jun 2004 17:58:50 +0100
You take yourself VERY seriously Neil- I hope your music and
performance lives up to your rhetoric
Gosh, is what we are talking about a sorta DJ vanity? Like, if something
doesn't *look* interesting it *isn't* interesting, no matter what it sounds
like? I would not argue that the visual is totally unimportant, but personally
I don't think it's the most important thing - unless that's the
I second the Richard Devine vote. Most of the core Schematic artists are
laptoppy (?) and still manage to really get the audience involved. My personal
favorite is Otto von Schirach -- his live show is nuts.
Another group of great live laptop performers are the ZOD Records guys out of
Just to clarify - the most important thing for me is the music, always.
I hope I didn't suggest otherwise.
But if I'm going to be on stage, in front of people, then I try to take
it into consideration that there is, by default, also a visual parameter
to the experience that is an addition
everything sounds like that in a 17kbs realaudio file
On Thu, 24 Jun 2004, Mann, Ravinder [CCS] wrote:
Birth Cry of Cosmos heard
Sounds like Basic Channel background hiss to me to me. Im sure the first
sound bite has a kick drum : )
you're exactly right -- i'm completely agreed on his stage presence, and I
thought that particular performance was stunning regardless. I've heard BMG do
Ableton sets before and they've been good, but it usually seems like the same
general formula. on +31/313 he played a lot of the familiar
I was at one of those Aphex Twin shows... he had people get in these gargantuan
fluffy Care Bear costumes and bounce into each other on stage... and that was
the entire show. he just laid down in the corner, had two tiny knob boxes with
him and that's it.
- jobot
- Original Message
i like lisa's take on it. it's really no big deal. if the music is good
people will enjoy themselves, unless they are a crappy audience who will
stand around staring regardless of what you do.
so if you have great music, be at least somewhat satisifed, don't take it
too seriously, not
I was only speaking of my personal preference, which I suspect is quite
different from the average person. But I can only speak for myself, not
anyone else.
I, personally, don't care about the visuals. Others do, that's their
preference. I don't mind if there's something interesting visually
- Original Message -
From: Dennis DeSantis [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Thursday, June 24, 2004 10:38 am
Subject: (313) Shootings at the fireworks?
http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=storycid=519ncid=519e=3u=/ap/20040624/ap_on_re_us/fireworks_shooting
Anyone have more info
the point is its live and not a dj that your playing/mixing your own
orginal tracks and that your not djing someone elses music that you can
play with the individual sounds sperately as aposed to playing a record
all ready made thats the point its the SONIC EXPERINCE ...
On Thu, 24 Jun 2004,
If all the artist is doing is a note-for-note, measure-for-measure,
tweak-for-tweak replication of their recorded material, then yeah, there's
really little point.
I personally hope for (expect?) the performer to transform things a bit
live and expand upon the recorded material. Therein lies the
if all you are going to do is complain why don't you just unsub...you keep
getting bent out of shape over a thread and then post 10 times over it.
Knock it off...
Jeezus
-Original Message-
From: Neil Wiernik [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, June 24, 2004 3:41 PM
To:
for anyone who haven't seen God Speed You Black Emporer - I highly suggest
seeing them
they are one of the best examples of music and visuals coming together in a
very concentrated/focused performance
because the video/film creator and operator is considered a member of the
band, the visuals
thank you lisa for taking what i was tring to say and putting it into
workds from someone from the other side of the laptop experinces...
thanks a billion you rock!!
On Thu, 24 Jun 2004 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Gosh, is what we are talking about a sorta DJ vanity? Like, if something
- Original Message -
From: J. T. [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Thursday, June 24, 2004 1:47 pm
Subject: Re: (313) Laptop performances
snip
that said, acts like ultradyne, who have the sickest music, and
have a
really great stage presence, dope costumes...they do present
something that
I dont know when i played a show wioth phonicia back in 2001 in toronto
thier stage show was BORING but thier music was AMAZING!!!
they just sat there practically picking thier noses pushing buttons on
thier akai samplers sitting in chairs but the music carried what they did
so amzingingly well
ok denis what ever you say... but honestly I would think a fellow former
20th cent music student would see how important the sonic art is over the
flashy showmanship is...
Im acctually surprised... have you lost touch with your roots?
its the sound that is to act as a representation of what the
Dennis, if I had a club-wattage PA system in my basement I would never leave my
house - meaning I'd definitely be out of work!!! ;) I'd spend more time making
music though...
~David
Dennis DeSantis wrote:
A person with a club-wattage PA system in
their basement could have an identical
next time I play out in your neck of the woods you should try what I do on
for size... or pick up a record or 2 of mine... I never put my mouth where
my money is unless I can stand behind it...
:)
how ever if your not into the kind of music I do
(basic channel/din/kompakt influnced stuff) you
so i was just breezing the stupid arguemets about visuals and hitting the
space bar on the computer at the right time and I saw the phrase about
performing in a box...don't remeber who said it, and I don't care. I havn't
been to an event in 4 years...
I remember hearing somewhere that Mad Mike
well then denis from what I can tell in what your saying is that your need
for a show of flash and glamor has to do with your feeling of isolation on
stage... why dont you try to connect with your audience through yout music
try different things change up the track, add new sounds, eq things
On Thu, 24 Jun 2004, Neil Wiernik wrote:
well then denis from what I can tell in what your saying is that your need
for a show of flash and glamor has to do with your feeling of isolation on
stage... why dont you try to connect with your audience through yout music
try different things
for you rabid collector types
i just saw in the paper that audio depot in Wisconsin is selling off the
decks n mixers used at the recent Movement fest.
http://www.audio-depot.com/
I second this recommendation wholeheartedly -- amazing visuals and very
powerful music. Not the type of thing I listen to much at home, but live they
are excellent. Their drummer is also affiliated with the Br0klyn Beats
collective, and releases unusually good experimento-electronic music
agreed, Phoenecia is definitely the most boring of the lot to watch. still
great music though...
- j
- Original Message -
From: Neil Wiernik [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Thursday, June 24, 2004 1:16 pm
Subject: Re: (313) Laptop performances
I dont know when i played a show wioth
://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=storycid=519ncid=519e=3u=/ap/20040624/
ap_on_re_us/fireworks_shooting
Anyone have more info on this?
Terrible - I used to love going downtown for that when I was a kid.
--
Dennis DeSantis
www.dennisdesantis.com
Neil Wiernik wrote:
ok denis what ever you say... but honestly I would think a fellow former
20th cent music student would see how important the sonic art is over the
flashy showmanship is...
I absolutely agree. The sonic art is always the most important. It's
just that in the context of a
Wasn't there a Red Planet DJ gig a few years back where they draped a
camoflage net over the DJ booth and shined red lights in everyone's
faces?
I've seen Terrorfakt do that too.
On Jun 24, 2004, at 7:31, FC2 Richards wrote:
so i was just breezing the stupid arguemets about visuals and
Neil Wiernik wrote:
well then denis from what I can tell in what your saying is that your need
for a show of flash and glamor has to do with your feeling of isolation on
stage... why dont you try to connect with your audience through yout music
try different things change up the track, add new
?
http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=storycid=519ncid=519e=3u=/ap/20040624/
ap_on_re_us/fireworks_shooting
Anyone have more info on this?
Terrible - I used to love going downtown for that when I was a kid.
--
Dennis DeSantis
www.dennisdesantis.com
PROTECTED]
Date: Thursday, June 24, 2004 10:38 am
Subject: (313) Shootings at the fireworks?
http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=storycid=519ncid=519e=3u=/ap/20040624/
ap_on_re_us/fireworks_shooting
Anyone have more info on this?
Terrible - I used to love going
?
http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=storycid=519ncid=519e=3u=/ap/20040624/
ap_on_re_us/fireworks_shooting
Anyone have more info on this?
Terrible - I used to love going downtown for that when I was a
kid.
--
Dennis DeSantis
www.dennisdesantis.com
puh puh...
i am playing an MP3 by georg neufeld and i have no recollection of how
i got it, but it's some deep, driving, luscious sexy house music.
Anyone got more scoop ? The track is 'just ring your bells'
man i'd love to have this 1) on 12-inch, and 2) played on a massive
system and watch a floor
i thought the giant box was something richard d james did in the early 90s.
not that i was there.
- Original Message -
From: FC2 Richards [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: 313@hyperreal.org
Sent: Thursday, June 24, 2004 7:31 AM
Subject: (313) live PA
so i was just breezing the stupid arguemets
really, it wouldn't suprise me at all. some one told me that he lives in an
old bank with the vault still in tact and has an armoured truck that he
drives around in...and for some reason none of it suprises me at all.
-Original Message-
From: Scotto [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent:
http://www.archive.org/audio/audio-details-db.php?
collection=stadtgruencollectionid=gruen003from=mostViewed
On Jun 24, 2004, at 5:27 PM, Matt MacQueen wrote:
i am playing an MP3 by georg neufeld and i have no recollection of how
i got it, but it's some deep, driving, luscious sexy house
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