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if you can't hear any soul in matthew dear, you need to seriously check
what it is you like about music.
It is because he is not hu-man ;-)
, Basement Jaxx, Chemical
Brothers etc, History repeats itself.
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Sent: Tuesday, February 03, 2004 8:42 PM
To: Robert Taylor; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 313@hyperreal.org
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: Tuesday, February 03, 2004 8:42 PM
To: Robert Taylor; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 313@hyperreal.org
Subject: Re: AW: (313) Derrick May quote and the Death of Techno
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From: Robert Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Phonopsia [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL
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Subject: RE: AW: (313) Derrick May quote and the Death of Techno
Find me a black UK artists who produces the level of high-quality
mainstream big-beat rock'n'rave music of Fat Boy or the Chems, then we can
start considering racism as a factor
I am really shocked how quick you guys judge and condemn. I mean, talk to
the guy yourself if you're burning to have your questions answered. He
replies to every email you send him.
Peace
Kat
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of Techno
Only if you have a vagina! ;-)
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From: Katrin Richter [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, February 03, 2004 10:23 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 313@hyperreal.org
Subject: AW: (313) Derrick May quote and the Death of Techno
I am really shocked how quick you guys
I guess you're right. I can understand their disappointment.
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Von: Greg Earle [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Gesendet: Dienstag, 3. Februar 2004 13:09
An: 313@hyperreal.org
Betreff: Re: (313) Derrick May quote and the Death of Techno
I'm going to risk a major
not only is there no real new generation of black techno, but i mean matthew
dear...who cares if he's popular, does it really have any soul or connection
to the character of classic detroit techno? not that i can hear...just
happens to be from detroit..and i mean look at what ends up under the
, 2004 1:48 PM
Subject: RE: AW: (313) Derrick May quote and the Death of Techno
not only is there no real new generation of black techno, but i mean
matthew
dear...who cares if he's popular, does it really have any soul or
connection
to the character of classic detroit techno? not that i can
On Tue, 3 Feb 2004, J. T. wrote:
not only is there no real new generation of black techno, but i mean matthew
dear...who cares if he's popular, does it really have any soul or connection
to the character of classic detroit techno? not that i can hear...just
happens to be from detroit..
stewartAnyway, excuse my long winded and meandering rant
hey! top rant!
(I like rants)
spot on about the rave culture biznizz.
today has got me thinking how different the US and UK culture is.
the gulf is enormous.
_
.
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Von: Derek Plaslaiko. [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Gesendet: Dienstag, 3. Februar 2004 15:40
An: J. T.
Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 313@hyperreal.org
Betreff: RE: AW: (313) Derrick May quote and the Death of Techno
On Tue, 3 Feb 2004, J. T. wrote:
not only is there no real new
are you going to tell me that the only reason shakes music
has soul, is because hes black and from detroit??? in my opinion, those
You know what?
I *like* the idea of getting the Annual 313 Divisive Flame War About Race
out the way *early* in the year, so now's a good time! ;-)
k
! I rock them
out every time I spin now pretty much.
~David
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From: J. T. [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, February 03, 2004 7:48 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 313@hyperreal.org
Subject: RE: AW: (313) Derrick May quote and the Death of Techno
not only
On Tue, 3 Feb 2004, Katrin Richter wrote:
I think the oringinal people from Detroit put a different kind of soul into
their music, it's not about some new depression and not about crying. It's
about enjoying life and the celebration of that joy.
of course, i realize its not just about
- spot on about the rave culture biznizz.
-
- today has got me thinking how different the US and UK culture is.
- the gulf is enormous.
...but superficially very similar...which is the problem i guess.
i think there is a lot of looking back to previous musical movements
happening at the moment
On Tue, 3 Feb 2004, Odeluga, Ken wrote:
are you going to tell me that the only reason shakes music
has soul, is because hes black and from detroit??? in my opinion, those
You know what?
I *like* the idea of getting the Annual 313 Divisive Flame War About Race
out the way *early* in
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From: Derek Plaslaiko. [EMAIL PROTECTED]
the fact that matthew is white has nothing to do with the soul of
his
music. if you think that, then you better be thinking the same
about joy
division, liquid liquid, francois k, or
well that says it about as good as i could.
i wasnt making any statement about race, i was responding to greg earle's
email about what derrick might have meant by his comments about techno being
dead. i put my comments about the soul of detroit techno vs matt dears music
in the form of a
-- Original Message --
From: matt kane's brain [EMAIL PROTECTED]
At 12:28 PM 2/3/2004, you wrote:
crystal method (is it 1997 again?), LCD
soundsystem, michael mayer, and lfo. reguardless of your opinions
of them, isnt it a little strange that theyre all
ahhh yess the completely reductive argument, there it is! detroit techno
isnt even a genre its just techno in detroit...
just like i make southern, country music cus i live out in the country and
in the south...yeeehaww
thats only one ingredient in the stew, if its an ingredient at all
On Tue, 3 Feb 2004, Thomas D. Cox, Jr. wrote:
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i dont think it has anything to do with the guy being white. i
like all those artists you mentioned. i just dont dig matt dear's
records almost at all.
that first spectral 12 i
SHOCK AND AWE!!!
I don't think anyone is judging or condeming ( where were you for the
Mills thread two weeks back).
However- no one has actually offered any suggetions for what to put on a
comp CD.
On Tue, 3 Feb 2004, Katrin Richter wrote:
I am really shocked how quick you guys judge and
On Tue, 3 Feb 2004, Thomas D. Cox, Jr. wrote:
-- Original Message --
From: matt kane's brain [EMAIL PROTECTED]
At 12:28 PM 2/3/2004, you wrote:
crystal method (is it 1997 again?), LCD
soundsystem, michael mayer, and lfo. reguardless of your opinions
: Tuesday, February 03, 2004 7:12 PM
To: Thomas D. Cox, Jr.
Cc: 313@hyperreal.org
Subject: RE: AW: (313) Derrick May quote and the Death of Techno
you might be right, but i highly doubt that kenny sent a copy to rolling
stone for them to review in the first place
Subject: RE: AW: (313) Derrick May quote and the Death of Techno
you might be right, but i highly doubt that kenny sent a copy to rolling
stone for them to review in the first place.
#
Note:
Any views or opinions
HUH?
You come on about people judging, but then you demurely approve of the
notion that race might be an issue?
I mean- Greg could very well be right, but that honestly makes me more
angry. The notion that the Old Black Guard would dismiss the excellent
music and hard work of my white friends is
if you can't hear any soul in matthew dear, you need to seriously check
what it is you like about music.
now- if you really only care about prototypical Detroit techno, then you
might as well just listen to jam bands, because you my friend are a
Dinosaur.
On Tue, 3 Feb 2004, J. T. wrote:
not
i dont think it has anything to do with the guy being white. i
like all those artists you mentioned. i just dont dig matt dear's
records almost at all. that first spectral 12 i think it was was
alright, other than that i havent liked anything else. and its not
just me: we got one copy of his
To: Thomas D. Cox, Jr.
Cc: 313@hyperreal.org
Subject: RE: AW: (313) Derrick May quote and the Death of Techno
i dont think it has anything to do with the guy being white. i
like all those artists you mentioned. i just dont dig matt dear's
records almost at all. that first spectral 12 i think
-- Original Message --
From: Derek Plaslaiko. [EMAIL PROTECTED]
i guess this is getting closer to the root of what is ultimatly
annoying
me about this whole thread. why is it that just because a
publication, in
which you even said who cares what they
some kid
who might otherwise be into someone like kenny larkin or kdj or
derrick may if he heard them might intead check out matt dear
instead and from that point on his perception of detroit techno
will be skewed.
Yeah- the world would be a really awful place if all the kids listened to
-- Original Message --
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Oh Now You've Done It!
Name me 3 black artists who have released records in the past 3
months
that deserve equal props (the crystal method being the obvious
exception,
though their music is crossing over
-- Original Message --
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Yeah- the world would be a really awful place if all the kids
listened to
Matt Dear instead of KDJ.
/rolls eyes/
youre the person who is making jacka_s like statements, not me. i
personally appreciate
compromised, diluted or old hat.
-Original Message-
From: Thomas D. Cox, Jr. [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, February 03, 2004 8:17 PM
To: 313@hyperreal.org
Subject: RE: AW: (313) Derrick May quote and the Death of Techno
look over the
last year and youll not see KDJ, andres, alton
describe official. im sitting here looking at the finished US CD
and LP versions of the album. they look just as official as the
matt dear record, and they sell better too ; )
Are you certain its US. MAybe its being re-released (which happens a lot
when a small label puts out a record that
youre the person who is making jacka_s like statements, not me. i
personally appreciate diversity and when mainstream media
conveniently and purposely leaves out black artists i get offended
and irritated.
leaves out black artists!?
did you watch the superbowl show? janet, nelly, p.diddy
and the Death of Techno
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From: Robert Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 313@hyperreal.org
Sent: Tuesday, February 03, 2004 8:17 PM
Subject: RE: AW: (313) Derrick May quote and the Death of Techno
Isn't that to do with the fact that the artists you
-- Original Message --
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Are you certain its US. MAybe its being re-released (which
happens a lot
when a small label puts out a record that then gets picked-up by
a bigger
label). All I know is, the promo copy I just recieved- which
-- Original Message --
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
leaves out black artists!?
did you watch the superbowl show? janet, nelly, p.diddy compared
to kid
rock and justin. that's as mainstream as it gets- and its a 60/40
black
ratio.
which given the country's
-- Original Message --
From: Robert Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Isn't that to do with the fact that the artists you mentioned
aren't as commercial as someone like Felix?
Nobody likes electronic music, so it's no surprise it is ignored
by the mainstream
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From: Robert Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Phonopsia [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED];
313@hyperreal.org
Sent: Tuesday, February 03, 2004 8:24 PM
Subject: RE: AW: (313) Derrick May quote and the Death of Techno
I did say 'tend' to.
Anyway, you know I don't
Except that Felix was one of the main instigators of the electrofad. Not
the 'token black' in an all white scene. Nevermind the fact that Felix
(like virtually all of the first wave of Detroit techno) was mostly
inspired by European music made by white people.
And much like techno- electroclash
On Tue, 3 Feb 2004, Thomas D. Cox, Jr. wrote:
my conclusion that he doesnt deserve the hype is just that, my
opinion. the list of artists i could point out that i think
rightfully deserve some hype is also my opinion. however, i wasnt
the person who designed that nice sticker thats on the
-- Original Message --
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Except that Felix was one of the main instigators of the
electrofad. Not
the 'token black' in an all white scene. Nevermind the fact that
Felix
(like virtually all of the first wave of Detroit techno) was
-- Original Message --
From: Derek Plaslaiko. [EMAIL PROTECTED]
fair enough. but what about the MASSES of people who DO have good
things
to say about the album? arent you undermining THEIR opinion at
the same
time?
sure. its been pointed out many times
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