Hi
I've seen track listings to these Theo Parrish mixes
on the list before, but have only taken a passing
interest cos I didn't have the mixes. Now I do and
would really appreciate it if someone has the listings
and would be willing to post them -- again!
And another thing. I have no background
In a message dated 1/27/02 5:25:24 PM Eastern Standard Time,
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(sigh) oh my...weeks, months of lurking and suddenly there's two topics in
the course of one week I feel the need to add my .02.
While to some it may appear that Jeff is 'selling out' or 'turning his back
so why is he now restricting himself to house clubs?
why are we restricting clubs to one style or the other?
this is the first I've heard of Jeff 's announcement, but I'm sure
he'd shake things up no matter what the label hanging outside the
club.
-d
(apologies to Son of Bazerk)
All this talk of Mills and house just made me remember when he was
making industrial music ...
-d
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What is this?! A judgemental Jeff Mills thread on 313
*in a southern evangilistic voice*
... Dear Lordie look upon my inbox in this time of
great need, and guide it through this difficult time
of numerous Emails about the judging of other men's
choices who they may not know first hand.
Amen.
Err...this 'jeff mills only playing in house clubs' thing is just a rumor?
And everyone's got their panties in a twist?
Mills is a great DJ, but it wouldn't bother me if he never played records
again, and concentrated on production. The fact is that the world
is full of really good DJs. Some of
It's not just a question of restricting his playing to house clubs, is it?
It looks like he's decided to focus on just a couple clubs, likely
because the money is good and the hassles are limited. Anyone who has
played out as a DJ knows the latter is maybe even more of a factor, what
with crapped
on 1/27/02 11:58 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
(apologies to Son of Bazerk)
All this talk of Mills and house just made me remember when he was making
industrial music ...
erm...weren't there a few early hip-hop releases on those Wizard sets, too?
My favorite dj sets ever have been those
if he wasn't so far up his own arse as to believe his
music isn't techno anymore then maybe we'd all get
this chance.
wasn't he the one who said
techno is whatever you want it to be..
so why is he now restricting himself to house clubs?
Maybe because the UK definition of techno has become
I have no idea what you are getting at, maybe you can clear that up. At any
rate, that's why I made 'em questions! So what is the vibe in UK techno
clubs? A lot of the UK internationals have stated that the UK and European
techno clubs are too imbalanced with all males. I have seen that happen at
What IS a 'House Club' anyway? Is it's 'housiness' defined by size, style(s)
of music which prevail there, or just the fact that it's a sort of generic
night club, frequented by young(ish) people ... with a preference for 'dance
music' (another problematic term) as opposed to thrash metal (or
It's always bemusing to realize how NARROW people are! First they want it
ALL harder harder, faster faster, no chords, no melodies, no vocals - now
it's gotta be a particular type of venue, perhaps with a particular type of
regular clientelle ... What next? Floor plan measurements? Standardized
That's what I was trying to raise. That depends on the nature of 'techno'
clubs in the UK. There are some great techno clubs in the UK, I am sure,
with The End, etc and they are important. But we have had the same things
here with techno clubs - they become very hard, they become very
I think that even if most of us have issues with taking out our frustrations
about techno-accepatance-at-large on Jeff Mills, we can understand Paul's
frustration that his favortie DJ is (supposedly) turning his back on
underground venues in his home country after a three year absence. Isn't
this
So now we're more likely to see Mills at Fabric than say, Vauxhall Bridge
Road ...
I think it's positive myself.
Fabric is big, clean modern, with modern facilities which work as they're
supposed to, rather than how they're described on the flyer - like aircon
toilets - unisex! Fabric has
Debates about whether something is music are truly futile.
I just think that a neutral observer would find a lot of the posts on here
not only narrow minded and elitist (I'm fed up of talking about jungle,
It's not really music) but downright contradictory. The London broken
beat scene is
I can't really see what all the fuss is about to be honest. Musicians are
meant to mature aren't they?
I can understand that some people, especially techno fans, will be
disappointed that they can't see probably the finest DJ that the genre has
produced, playing what we like, but I think his
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Yep, I too would like track listings of ANY of those Theo CD's.
Know most things, but really struggling to find out what a few of the
tracks are.
Thanks.
- End of
Yeah, Jeff playing a house set was what we heard last year - amazing. It was
very diverse, still very Mills, it wasn't like he busted out Groovejet. He
played techno, electro, all kinds of cool things. I think he even played
Moodymann? Because it was in a club environment a lot of different people
Does any of you in the UK have the three Pump up the volume episodes on VHS,
and is it possible for me to get a copy?
thanks
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So who are Manix?
w
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Subject: RE: [313] Detroit 1992 - Flyer
Yeah, I saw this on
1/28/2002 5:22:00 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
So who are Manix?
Manix is 4 Hero and someone else, afaikthey were on Reinforced way
backwikked producers...they did Junglism 2 Hardcore and Feel
Real Good
Ian Scott aka DJ Entropy [EMAIL
Sorry, but how many of these clubs have you actually been to?
Not only does the Orbit have a fine sound system, and facilities which
elicit few complaints; most importantly it has a crowd who have a clue. Who
go to see the DJ rather than to say they've been to Fabric / Bugged Out /
Whatever,
By opting for the expensive, commercial end of the industry, Mills is
neglecting the promoters and fans who have fought long and hard to convince
him to return to England.
To suggest that this is about the gender bias in clubs is naieve,
ill-informed bullshit.
It's actually coming from the
what's gonna stop the diehard fan going to fabric
is the fact that jeff's saying his music isn't techno
anymore and that's gonna piss alot of people off.
the club when he plays is simply gonna be full of
media types and club regulars who may show a
passing interest in his set until he drops
Maybe most of you know this but it bears repeating -- for all but a very
few people, DJing isn't a career -- it's an obsession, an avocation, a way
of life, and it doesn't matter if there's 5000 people in the room or 5 --
when it feels right there's no better feeling in the world.
Amen to
MJ Cole is pretty ace. Did you hear Attitude last year? You're right about
the Detroit/Chicago being in there, but then that's not surprising, given
he's a former Drum Bass head, turned Garage producer which I know
someone around these parts finds to be the worst of all worlds ... :o).
Have the Red Planet EPs made it to CD ? I know that a few tracks are on
compilations such as Submerge.
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'Hypocrite' wrote:
it's total bollocks but after thinking last night i'm still gonna
have to go check out his new (not)techno style. he must've
bought a whole new collection of records recently, that's all i'm saying.
hypocrite
Exactly! You'll go anyway! And Gatecrasher not being in London is
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Sent: Monday, January 28, 2002 8:25 AM
Subject: [313] Red Planet on CD ?
Have the Red Planet EPs made it to CD ? I know that a few tracks are on
compilations such as Submerge.
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There was a Red Planet compilation
Not sure if I posted these weeks ago, but here's my favourites of 2001:
10 singles:
metro area 4 (environ)
mark mclaren - nevernet (emoticon)
p'taah vs opaque - crossing (ubiquity)
son of scientist- theory of everything (main squeeze)
domu - the long way up (neroli)
moodymann - j.a.n. (kdj 30)
The new Submerge website will have mail order and possibly even online
ordering in place shortly. They are still working on that...
For now you can probably order stuff if you call or fax them.
Eric
At 08:58 AM 1/28/2002 -0500, Phonopsia wrote:
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From: o Z [EMAIL
o Z wrote on Mon, 28 Jan 2002 about following:
Have the Red Planet EPs made it to CD ? I know that a few tracks are
on compilations such as Submerge.
yes, there is red planet compilation on cd, its called LBH-6251876 - A
Red Planet Compilation, with tracks
Comet LBH - 6251876
Last
Manix was the first project of 4 Hero,Marc Dego,the track I´m
Comin´Hardcore was a big anthem in UK,Hardcore Days
Mario
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To: 'Odeluga; Ken'
In conclusion, I'll leave you with this thought. Wouldn't you rather have
Jeff as the biggest DJ in the world as compared to Oakie, Jules, Sasha,
Diggers, and the rest of them that seem to get ink every month in Mixmag,
Ministry, and Muzik?
unless he changes what he plays that just ain't
right now Submerge is doing all their ordering through Groovtech. goto
Groovetech.com and ask them if they have it.
jeff
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From: Eric Scuccimarra [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, January 28, 2002 5:56 AM
To: Phonopsia; o Z; 313@hyperreal.org
Subject:
A few years ago Jeff Mills said he would never play again in Amsterdam after
he had some bad experiences there. He didn't play there for about one year,
now he plays on a regualr basis on really hughe parties around Amsterdam...
Just wait and see what happens,
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in terms of
its out of stock. but they are full of vinyls..
b.
right now Submerge is doing all their ordering through Groovtech. goto
Groovetech.com and ask them if they have it.
jeff
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From: Eric Scuccimarra [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, January 28,
Yeah, Jeff playing a house set was what we heard last year - amazing. It was
very diverse, still very Mills, it wasn't like he busted out Groovejet. He
played techno, electro, all kinds of cool things. I think he even played
Moodymann? Because it was in a club environment a lot of different
Yeah, Jeff playing a house set was what we heard last year - amazing. It was
very diverse, still very Mills, it wasn't like he busted out Groovejet. He
played techno, electro, all kinds of cool things. I think he even played
Moodymann? Because it was in a club environment a lot of
looped bangers - now there's an expression!
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Sent: Monday, January 28, 2002 3:08 PM
Subject: Re: [313] jeff mills stars again
Yeah, Jeff playing a house set was
looped bangers - now there's an expression!
industrial trance
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I think you're off the mark with Bugged Out - I've only been to Bugged Out
at Nation once and it had a great line-up (hence me travelling from London
to go to it) with a superb atmosphere and Bugged Out nights at Fabric were
the best nights they had there.
What is
more, clubs like Orbit, Voodoo,
Grain is morgan reno, yes. However I think youll find that santos Rodriguez
is oliver ho.
looped bangers - now there's an expression!
well it's fairly accurate wouldn't you say?
of course it's a massive generalisation, which you'll have to excuse :)
robin...
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I've got no real problem with Fabric. One of the best nights I've had in
years was with Technasia, Aril Brikha and Kevin Saunderson back in August.
I'd be the first to agree that some of the clientele were there purely
because of what it was rather than who was playing, but overall the
atmosphere
This thread is faulty with regard to one VERY important ingredient:
Jeff Mills got his start in 'black' Detroit clubs. He's VERY used to very
dressed up, 'bougie' crowds of couples DANCING all night long in a very sexy
environment.
I think perhaps he really misses feeling a LOT of soul
Yes, Jeff could outspin and out-please any Tenaglia crowd he chose to--why
can I say that? Because he's already done that for years and years
while establishing a name for himself in Detroit clubs and on Detroit (and
national) radio. Moreover, as a black man playing to mostly white,
Whew a little break from the Mills posts. This Label
sounds promising if they got guys like Tim Jackiw
releasing stuff for the label. What's the news with
the re-release of That Offworld ep he did? Otto,
Jason?? any news guys?
as for releases I've been diggin lately, I really dig
the dimension
didn't catch it... you sure it wasn't the Crystal Waters version of that
song? that's what i'd guess.
Mike
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Subject: [313] Paul Johnson - Price Is Right theme
Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2002 15:13:53 -0500
Anyone else catch CBS
I didnt catch it during football.
But, I did see that they are in fact using the Paul Johnson rmx to promote
TPIR's 30th anniversary.
Very very sad that I can add to this topic.
Jeff Mills doesnt play this track in his new house sets, does he? :P
(sorry, couldn't resist)
ID
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Not to knock Mills because i've only seen him spin in NYC a few times, but
to dismiss danny t. as just a footnote in the story of mills is just plain
wrong. How many dj's do you know remix/produce a song every week to play
just for their weekly party? How many dj's come out every week from their
I think Laura is on to something...particularly if the phrase house club
means a club where house music is played.
I've detailed this story before...I remember Kevin Saunderson throwing a
set at the Majestic in Detroit. First rave-style party I'd been to...in
that there were like 16 djs and two
on 28/1/02 5:28 pm, Grammenos, Peter at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
How many dj's do you know
that ban glowsticks and all that accessory raver crap from his dancefloor?
Too many. that might not be his or my style, but telling people what to wear
is too much attitude. it goes against everything
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on 28/1/02 5:28 pm, Grammenos, Peter at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
How many dj's do
Does anybody have some good info on Ade Fenton, next to the bio on the
Advanced-site?
Thanks in advance,
John
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I personally dont *like* glowsticks at parties I play at...
the general reason that the glowsticks are used is to play with when you are
on E.
and I dont endorse the drug culture thats been paralleling the techno scene
in the US for 3-4
years now.
making kids on E dance doesnt mean much to me
Keeping people from using glowsticks is just saving people from further
embarrassing themselves. Everyone that plays with glowsticks, sometime, sooner
or later, will be embarrassed they did.
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on 28/1/02 6:17 pm, Grammenos, Peter at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Tell me what
you would do in that situation.
take the chance to try and educate them. but about music, not their dress
sense;)
obviously i don't know the whole situation in this example - and i'd be an
idiot to suggest i did.
and I dont endorse the drug culture thats been paralleling the techno scene
in the US for 3-4
years now.
wow, people have been using drugs while listening to techno for 3 whole
years? i thought that trend started last june!
maybe. and maybe be i should be embarrassed that i wore a VW sign round my
neck and a baseball cap backwards when i was a kid.
but you know what? i'm not. i'm happy enough with myself now that i
recognise it was just a part of growing up. plus i don't want to start
sounding like my dad just
hi tim,,
i could share your attitude concerning the what to wear topic,
but i do live in germany and if you would have been to a technoparty over
here
in the last 3 years you would probably think the same way peter does.
its such a f***huge fashion thing, its become a thing about how to wear what
I understand your concerns Rin - its the same here - except luckily its not
techno parties. people only dress like that for trance - so they kind of
deserve it;) but i did actually see i show on TV about berlin and i was kind
of concerned to see what people where wearing - but i believe in NO
this fashion thread is pretty lame.
as far as mills not playing techno anymore, that is no big thing to me,
seeing how he has been to the detroit area like twice in the past seven
years. he hasn't rocked it since sickness anyway, so i am not all that
bent up about it. if i lived in the UK it
mills doesnt use a 909 in any imaginative way anyways IMO
and yes he does suck at spinning records, HOWEVER, he spins the best tracks
of any DJ I have heard.. thats why continue to listen to him and pay money
to see him when he decided to go to detroit.
hawtin is pretty good with a 909 on a
how about 88 to piano (was Manix on hithouse records belgium)
was that also 4 hero ?
mm nice
Mad'R
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Naw, different guy.
It's actually Mainx (some guy named Iriz) not Manix on hithouse.
G
Mad'R wrote:
how about 88 to piano (was Manix on hithouse records belgium)
was that also 4 hero ?
mm nice
Mad'R
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Mad'R wrote on Mon, 28 Jan 2002 about following:
how about 88 to piano (was Manix on hithouse records belgium)
was that also 4 hero ?
That was Mainx.
sakke
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I can't imagine a painter being forced to express him/herself using only green.
i can't expect a writer to be able to express her/himself only using verbs. i
don't know about people's personal experiences while listening to jeff mills
play out, but having seen him play as the Wizard last
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There is a song playing when Tom is drunk in the club
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At 3:41 PM -0500 1/28/2002, Jim Grindle wrote:
I finally saw vanilla sky this weekend
There is a
Anyone have anything to say about Oliver Ho, positive or negative ? I love
his production but have not heard him spin and he's playing tonight at the
new location for tronic treatment in NYC.
It's @ Baktun for all you NYC 313'ers
-Pete
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Positive all the way!
Last heard him in 2000 playing a really deep techno set. The best UK techno
has to offer in my humble opinion! Love his records too.
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Subject: [313] Oliver Ho
Date: Tue, 29 Jan
here is what I've got
Mehmet
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Subject: RE: [313] Theo Parrish - These days times - tracklisting
Got 2 more today.
Part 1 - Track 4 -
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Anyone have anything to say about Oliver Ho, positive or negative ? I
love his production but have not heard him spin and he's playing
tonight at the new location for tronic treatment in NYC.
I saw him play last Friday in Chicago and he rocked it. I'd
i'm just wondering what the missing cat.#'s are from the axis website.
002,007,014 and 017 are the missing #'s, i know 007 is minimal nation.
also does anyone know the track names from some of the releases
(growth/humana/the other day/very and the every dog's)?
basically i'm trying to cross
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Subject: Re: [313] so is it really music?
Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2002 14:52:30 -0500
Taken from your perspective, being a musician helps you to get laid.
Proven fact. :) An otherwordly mating call, if you will.
A second functional
yes. i'm back for a lil bit to lurk and read some posts about some techno.
i've been so out of the loop on techno as i am stuck in HouseLand U.S.A. (no
complaints since it's good house though.)
anyone hear any good releases lately? :)
curiouser and curiouser...
lauryn.
go! his dj sets generally live up to his production in terms of style,
skill, AND range. he's awesome.
m
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his production but have not heard him spin and he's playing tonight at the
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