Re: Why Drexciya Took Detroit Electro Underwater

[ja...@iridite.com]

I've been on here a long time and it's been a while since Ive seen a
conversation take such a nasty turn so quickly.

Steven said " I do not have a neuro-typical mind, and often struggle to
keep up with a conversation.".  You can be incredibly insensitive and take
that as an attempt to struggle out of a poorly argued point of view or you
can take it face value and perhaps assume that he was telling the truth.

I'm not unsubbing though, on the balance over the years I'd say I've still
met more people on here that I'm glad to know that those I'm not.

On Tue, 6 Nov 2018 at 21:41, Chris Hopcroft 
wrote:

> I've lurked on and enjoyed the 313 digest for a long time.  It's sad that
> it's become the absolute pits.  Catch you later... 
>
> Cheers,
> Chris
>
>
> -- Forwarded message --
> From: denisedalph...@gmail.com
> To: b...@glzr.info
> Cc: Steven Robertson , 313@hyperreal.org
> Bcc:
> Date: Tue, 6 Nov 2018 12:03:49 -0500
> Subject: Re: Why Drexciya Took Detroit Electro Underwater
> Steven had a “dream” and then had to tell us all about this amazing
> “dream.”
>
> A long while after the conversation ended.
>
> Are you my mother?
>
> On Nov 6, 2018, at 08:38, Benn Glazier  wrote:
>
> Denise - Steven has cap in hand apologised. You are now denigrating him
> for that. I do not feel it serves a purpose to further chastise him about
> the matter.
>
> We know how you feel, and rightly or wrongly people will agree with you.
> You've spent a lot of time discussing your point of view and others have
> shared theirs which I'm all for. Remember, all of us do not live in Detroit
> or the US or have had first-hand contact with racial discrimination.
>
> Whilst that doesn't at all mean for one minute we're disagreeing with how
> blacks have been downtrodden in society, it means our exposure is
> different. In my eyes your points are more than valid but one's own
> experiences elicit a response, and whilst we can be more well read than in
> previous years thanks to technology, there's still a lot to learn for
> anyone who has not grown up with or been subject to this oppression. Humans
> are fickle and behaviour to get people on board needs to be constructive.
> Short answer, it would have been great if RA had of produced the piece in
> the way that has been discussed!  Bottom line, Denise, you made Stephen dig
> deeper and read and learn and that's great, but don't beat him down further!
>
> Now to not be faceless, for those that don't know me I'm a white guy (who
> has some north African roots!) who grew up in Australia. Where does even
> one start to discuss what we've done to our Indigenous population.  I live
> in London now, and I look around the office today and I can see people of
> all backgrounds getting on harmoniously - and that's London for you. Our
> racial issues, whilst still existing, pale in comparison with many other
> countries and cities.  Speaking of London, for those of you here, check
> these black history walks around the city (I just did the Soho one) -
> http://www.blackhistorywalks.co.uk/
>
> Hatchet buried? Just not in his head (or mine).  Where's George M Smiley
> these days?
>
> Now... I just picked up on some music by Javonntte.  Hadn't heard of him
> until a couple of weeks ago. Great to find a new name.
>
> BG
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Tue, 6 Nov 2018 at 13:12 Steven Robertson  wrote:
>
>> If I am, I really don't mean to be.  Guilty of poor communication.
>>
>> Conversation very confusing.
>>
>> On Tue, 6 Nov 2018, at 1:08 PM, denisedalph...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>
>> Your tone is extremely condescending. I chose the emoji because it is
>> rude.
>>
>> You could read my works. My latest essay that addresses Drexciya and UR
>> and Moodymann and revolution is getting some pretty good reviews.
>>
>> I already shared the book in an earlier email. I’m arrogant, but not
>> arrogant enough to post the link again.
>>
>> Also, I don’t care about 1 or 10 or 50 white people who are bigots,
>> you’re all the same to me. I’m not gonna waste my energy debating with you
>> about who you are. And I have to look like you. It sux. 
>>
>> Denise
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Nov 6, 2018, at 07:42, Steven Robertson  wrote:
>>
>> Yes I suppose it did. I wasn't aware that I was thinking about it, but as
>> it happens I came across other information a couple of days ago which
>> opened my eyes, and I will admit when I was wrong. To be fair, I am
>> sometimes processing things well beyond a conversation.  I do not have a
>> neuro-typical mind, and often struggle to keep up with a conversation.
>>
>> The feeling I woke up with this morning was that James Stinson did feel
>> very strongly about it, that I should know, and I hand't really listened to
>> what he said in the interview. I felt bad about it, because it was
>> ignorant. In the same manner I would defend other parties that fail to
>> appreciate the sensitive nature of it, as probably not aware of the insult.
>> I just didn't see it that way, that 

Re: Why Drexciya Took Detroit Electro Underwater

[Chris Hopcroft]

I've lurked on and enjoyed the 313 digest for a long time.  It's sad that
it's become the absolute pits.  Catch you later... 

Cheers,
Chris


-- Forwarded message --
From: denisedalph...@gmail.com
To: b...@glzr.info
Cc: Steven Robertson , 313@hyperreal.org
Bcc:
Date: Tue, 6 Nov 2018 12:03:49 -0500
Subject: Re: Why Drexciya Took Detroit Electro Underwater
Steven had a “dream” and then had to tell us all about this amazing “dream.”

A long while after the conversation ended.

Are you my mother?

On Nov 6, 2018, at 08:38, Benn Glazier  wrote:

Denise - Steven has cap in hand apologised. You are now denigrating him for
that. I do not feel it serves a purpose to further chastise him about the
matter.

We know how you feel, and rightly or wrongly people will agree with you.
You've spent a lot of time discussing your point of view and others have
shared theirs which I'm all for. Remember, all of us do not live in Detroit
or the US or have had first-hand contact with racial discrimination.

Whilst that doesn't at all mean for one minute we're disagreeing with how
blacks have been downtrodden in society, it means our exposure is
different. In my eyes your points are more than valid but one's own
experiences elicit a response, and whilst we can be more well read than in
previous years thanks to technology, there's still a lot to learn for
anyone who has not grown up with or been subject to this oppression. Humans
are fickle and behaviour to get people on board needs to be constructive.
Short answer, it would have been great if RA had of produced the piece in
the way that has been discussed!  Bottom line, Denise, you made Stephen dig
deeper and read and learn and that's great, but don't beat him down further!

Now to not be faceless, for those that don't know me I'm a white guy (who
has some north African roots!) who grew up in Australia. Where does even
one start to discuss what we've done to our Indigenous population.  I live
in London now, and I look around the office today and I can see people of
all backgrounds getting on harmoniously - and that's London for you. Our
racial issues, whilst still existing, pale in comparison with many other
countries and cities.  Speaking of London, for those of you here, check
these black history walks around the city (I just did the Soho one) -
http://www.blackhistorywalks.co.uk/

Hatchet buried? Just not in his head (or mine).  Where's George M Smiley
these days?

Now... I just picked up on some music by Javonntte.  Hadn't heard of him
until a couple of weeks ago. Great to find a new name.

BG











On Tue, 6 Nov 2018 at 13:12 Steven Robertson  wrote:

> If I am, I really don't mean to be.  Guilty of poor communication.
>
> Conversation very confusing.
>
> On Tue, 6 Nov 2018, at 1:08 PM, denisedalph...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>
> Your tone is extremely condescending. I chose the emoji because it is rude.
>
> You could read my works. My latest essay that addresses Drexciya and UR
> and Moodymann and revolution is getting some pretty good reviews.
>
> I already shared the book in an earlier email. I’m arrogant, but not
> arrogant enough to post the link again.
>
> Also, I don’t care about 1 or 10 or 50 white people who are bigots, you’re
> all the same to me. I’m not gonna waste my energy debating with you about
> who you are. And I have to look like you. It sux. 
>
> Denise
>
>
>
>
> On Nov 6, 2018, at 07:42, Steven Robertson  wrote:
>
> Yes I suppose it did. I wasn't aware that I was thinking about it, but as
> it happens I came across other information a couple of days ago which
> opened my eyes, and I will admit when I was wrong. To be fair, I am
> sometimes processing things well beyond a conversation.  I do not have a
> neuro-typical mind, and often struggle to keep up with a conversation.
>
> The feeling I woke up with this morning was that James Stinson did feel
> very strongly about it, that I should know, and I hand't really listened to
> what he said in the interview. I felt bad about it, because it was
> ignorant. In the same manner I would defend other parties that fail to
> appreciate the sensitive nature of it, as probably not aware of the insult.
> I just didn't see it that way, that the interpretation as a listener
> probably just suited my own world view. I want to be clear that I'm not
> disappointed if that were the case, and I regret writing that I would be
> disappointed. I am not personally ashamed, but I see no reason to be
> disappointed. It's fair enough. I just don't really know enough about it,
> leading to my ignorance.
>
> It's funny the emoticon you have put there looks like happy surprise
> (though it probably depends on the image being used in the particular email
> reader I guess). It's hard to tell if it's meant to be. You seem happily
> provocative, and I don't really object to that. I might go and read more of
> what you have got to say about it. The music is something else in any case,
> but I accept that you probably know 

Re: ECCO X DREXCIYA

[Andrew Duke]

Also, this article recently published:
http://cdm.link/2018/11/underwater-futurism-drexciya/

On Tue, Nov 6, 2018, 4:08 PM Neal Reianlda  too good not to share!
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3CqV8pDlm74
>
> PS:
> Im new to this group (enjoying all the takes from the OG heads)
> I currently live in LA and make music under the name PHORK
> .
>
> much love,
> Neal
>

ECCO X DREXCIYA

[Neal Reianlda]

too good not to share!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3CqV8pDlm74

PS:
Im new to this group (enjoying all the takes from the OG heads)
I currently live in LA and make music under the name PHORK
.

much love,
Neal

Re: Why Drexciya Took Detroit Electro Underwater

[kent williams]

Also administrativia:  Some of you may have tried to reply and gotten a
bounce notice.  That was because the discussion thread was so long, and
many people reply in HTML, some from mail clients that generate thousands
of bytes of useless bullshit, and every reply included all the BS from all
the other replies that are bottom-quoted.  The list bounces anything that's
longer than 30,000 bytes, which is a decent-sized novella length.

You're literally saving the planet if you take the time to trim the
bottom-quotes on posts before you reply.  Every byte costs some electricity.

Re: Why Drexciya Took Detroit Electro Underwater

[kent williams]

In case you don't know I'm the administrator for the 313 list. I can ban
people if they don't play nice.

Everyone involved in this discussion needs to leave it be.  The
name-calling needs to stop.

One person who to all appearances was trying to be thoughtful has unsubbed
over this.

I will unsub anyone who perpetuates the pissing contest.

Re: Why Drexciya Took Detroit Electro Underwater

[Fred Heutte]

Hello everyone, long time list member here (1994).  We can have
disagreement, argument, debate, and do it with respect.

What we are seeing here is not acceptable.

Joe, you're way over the line

Time for everyone to take a step back and check yourself.

peace out

fh

-
>You really are a miserable fucking person Denise.
>
>Ironic how people like you see “the other side” as the bullies when you lot
>are the biggest bullies when it comes to discussing different views.
>
>I’m sure many more folks here would like to tell you to go f yourself but
>aren’t doing so because they have more class than you’ll ever have.
>
>
>
>On Tue, Nov 6, 2018 at 9:58 AM Peter Bense  wrote:
>
>> This kind of snide attitude is not needed here. Please direct it elsewhere.
>>
>> Den tis 6 nov. 2018 18:03 skrev :
>>
>>> Steven had a “dream” and then had to tell us all about this amazing
>>> “dream.”
>>>
>>> A long while after the conversation ended.
>>>
>>> Are you my mother?
>>>
>>> On Nov 6, 2018, at 08:38, Benn Glazier  wrote:
>>>
>>> Denise - Steven has cap in hand apologised. You are now denigrating him
>>> for that. I do not feel it serves a purpose to further chastise him about
>>> the matter.
>>>
>>> We know how you feel, and rightly or wrongly people will agree with you.
>>> You've spent a lot of time discussing your point of view and others have
>>> shared theirs which I'm all for. Remember, all of us do not live in Detroit
>>> or the US or have had first-hand contact with racial discrimination.
>>>
>>> Whilst that doesn't at all mean for one minute we're disagreeing with how
>>> blacks have been downtrodden in society, it means our exposure is
>>> different. In my eyes your points are more than valid but one's own
>>> experiences elicit a response, and whilst we can be more well read than in
>>> previous years thanks to technology, there's still a lot to learn for
>>> anyone who has not grown up with or been subject to this oppression. Humans
>>> are fickle and behaviour to get people on board needs to be constructive..
>>> Short answer, it would have been great if RA had of produced the piece in
>>> the way that has been discussed!  Bottom line, Denise, you made Stephen dig
>>> deeper and read and learn and that's great, but don't beat him down further!
>>>
>>> Now to not be faceless, for those that don't know me I'm a white guy (who
>>> has some north African roots!) who grew up in Australia. Where does even
>>> one start to discuss what we've done to our Indigenous population.  I live
>>> in London now, and I look around the office today and I can see people of
>>> all backgrounds getting on harmoniously - and that's London for you. Our
>>> racial issues, whilst still existing, pale in comparison with many other
>>> countries and cities.  Speaking of London, for those of you here, check
>>> these black history walks around the city (I just did the Soho one) -
>>> http://www.blackhistorywalks.co.uk/
>>>
>>> Hatchet buried? Just not in his head (or mine).  Where's George M Smiley
>>> these days?
>>>
>>> Now... I just picked up on some music by Javonntte.  Hadn't heard of him
>>> until a couple of weeks ago. Great to find a new name.
>>>
>>> BG
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tue, 6 Nov 2018 at 13:12 Steven Robertson  wrote:
>>>
 If I am, I really don't mean to be.  Guilty of poor communication.

 Conversation very confusing.

 On Tue, 6 Nov 2018, at 1:08 PM, denisedalph...@gmail.com wrote:


 Your tone is extremely condescending. I chose the emoji because it is
 rude.

 You could read my works. My latest essay that addresses Drexciya and UR
 and Moodymann and revolution is getting some pretty good reviews.

 I already shared the book in an earlier email. I’m arrogant, but not
 arrogant enough to post the link again.

 Also, I don’t care about 1 or 10 or 50 white people who are bigots,
 you’re all the same to me. I’m not gonna waste my energy debating with 
 you
 about who you are. And I have to look like you. It sux. 😢

 Denise




 On Nov 6, 2018, at 07:42, Steven Robertson  wrote:

 Yes I suppose it did. I wasn't aware that I was thinking about it, but
 as it happens I came across other information a couple of days ago which
 opened my eyes, and I will admit when I was wrong. To be fair, I am
 sometimes processing things well beyond a conversation.  I do not have a
 neuro-typical mind, and often struggle to keep up with a conversation.

 The feeling I woke up with this morning was that James Stinson did feel
 very strongly about it, that I should know, and I hand't really listened to
 what he said in the interview. I felt bad about it, because it was
 ignorant. In the same manner I would defend other parties that fail to
 appreciate the sensitive nature of it, as probably not aware of the insult.
 I 

Re: Why Drexciya Took Detroit Electro Underwater

[Joe Marougi]

You really are a miserable fucking person Denise.

Ironic how people like you see “the other side” as the bullies when you lot
are the biggest bullies when it comes to discussing different views.

I’m sure many more folks here would like to tell you to go f yourself but
aren’t doing so because they have more class than you’ll ever have.



On Tue, Nov 6, 2018 at 9:58 AM Peter Bense  wrote:

> This kind of snide attitude is not needed here. Please direct it elsewhere.
>
> Den tis 6 nov. 2018 18:03 skrev :
>
>> Steven had a “dream” and then had to tell us all about this amazing
>> “dream.”
>>
>> A long while after the conversation ended.
>>
>> Are you my mother?
>>
>> On Nov 6, 2018, at 08:38, Benn Glazier  wrote:
>>
>> Denise - Steven has cap in hand apologised. You are now denigrating him
>> for that. I do not feel it serves a purpose to further chastise him about
>> the matter.
>>
>> We know how you feel, and rightly or wrongly people will agree with you.
>> You've spent a lot of time discussing your point of view and others have
>> shared theirs which I'm all for. Remember, all of us do not live in Detroit
>> or the US or have had first-hand contact with racial discrimination.
>>
>> Whilst that doesn't at all mean for one minute we're disagreeing with how
>> blacks have been downtrodden in society, it means our exposure is
>> different. In my eyes your points are more than valid but one's own
>> experiences elicit a response, and whilst we can be more well read than in
>> previous years thanks to technology, there's still a lot to learn for
>> anyone who has not grown up with or been subject to this oppression. Humans
>> are fickle and behaviour to get people on board needs to be constructive.
>> Short answer, it would have been great if RA had of produced the piece in
>> the way that has been discussed!  Bottom line, Denise, you made Stephen dig
>> deeper and read and learn and that's great, but don't beat him down further!
>>
>> Now to not be faceless, for those that don't know me I'm a white guy (who
>> has some north African roots!) who grew up in Australia. Where does even
>> one start to discuss what we've done to our Indigenous population.  I live
>> in London now, and I look around the office today and I can see people of
>> all backgrounds getting on harmoniously - and that's London for you. Our
>> racial issues, whilst still existing, pale in comparison with many other
>> countries and cities.  Speaking of London, for those of you here, check
>> these black history walks around the city (I just did the Soho one) -
>> http://www.blackhistorywalks.co.uk/
>>
>> Hatchet buried? Just not in his head (or mine).  Where's George M Smiley
>> these days?
>>
>> Now... I just picked up on some music by Javonntte.  Hadn't heard of him
>> until a couple of weeks ago. Great to find a new name.
>>
>> BG
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tue, 6 Nov 2018 at 13:12 Steven Robertson  wrote:
>>
>>> If I am, I really don't mean to be.  Guilty of poor communication.
>>>
>>> Conversation very confusing.
>>>
>>> On Tue, 6 Nov 2018, at 1:08 PM, denisedalph...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> Your tone is extremely condescending. I chose the emoji because it is
>>> rude.
>>>
>>> You could read my works. My latest essay that addresses Drexciya and UR
>>> and Moodymann and revolution is getting some pretty good reviews.
>>>
>>> I already shared the book in an earlier email. I’m arrogant, but not
>>> arrogant enough to post the link again.
>>>
>>> Also, I don’t care about 1 or 10 or 50 white people who are bigots,
>>> you’re all the same to me. I’m not gonna waste my energy debating with you
>>> about who you are. And I have to look like you. It sux. 
>>>
>>> Denise
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Nov 6, 2018, at 07:42, Steven Robertson  wrote:
>>>
>>> Yes I suppose it did. I wasn't aware that I was thinking about it, but
>>> as it happens I came across other information a couple of days ago which
>>> opened my eyes, and I will admit when I was wrong. To be fair, I am
>>> sometimes processing things well beyond a conversation.  I do not have a
>>> neuro-typical mind, and often struggle to keep up with a conversation.
>>>
>>> The feeling I woke up with this morning was that James Stinson did feel
>>> very strongly about it, that I should know, and I hand't really listened to
>>> what he said in the interview. I felt bad about it, because it was
>>> ignorant. In the same manner I would defend other parties that fail to
>>> appreciate the sensitive nature of it, as probably not aware of the insult.
>>> I just didn't see it that way, that the interpretation as a listener
>>> probably just suited my own world view. I want to be clear that I'm not
>>> disappointed if that were the case, and I regret writing that I would be
>>> disappointed. I am not personally ashamed, but I see no reason to be
>>> disappointed. It's fair enough. I just don't really know enough about it,
>>> leading to my ignorance.
>>>
>>> It's funny the emoticon you 

Re: Why Drexciya Took Detroit Electro Underwater

[Peter Bense]

This kind of snide attitude is not needed here. Please direct it elsewhere.

Den tis 6 nov. 2018 18:03 skrev :

> Steven had a “dream” and then had to tell us all about this amazing
> “dream.”
>
> A long while after the conversation ended.
>
> Are you my mother?
>
> On Nov 6, 2018, at 08:38, Benn Glazier  wrote:
>
> Denise - Steven has cap in hand apologised. You are now denigrating him
> for that. I do not feel it serves a purpose to further chastise him about
> the matter.
>
> We know how you feel, and rightly or wrongly people will agree with you.
> You've spent a lot of time discussing your point of view and others have
> shared theirs which I'm all for. Remember, all of us do not live in Detroit
> or the US or have had first-hand contact with racial discrimination.
>
> Whilst that doesn't at all mean for one minute we're disagreeing with how
> blacks have been downtrodden in society, it means our exposure is
> different. In my eyes your points are more than valid but one's own
> experiences elicit a response, and whilst we can be more well read than in
> previous years thanks to technology, there's still a lot to learn for
> anyone who has not grown up with or been subject to this oppression. Humans
> are fickle and behaviour to get people on board needs to be constructive.
> Short answer, it would have been great if RA had of produced the piece in
> the way that has been discussed!  Bottom line, Denise, you made Stephen dig
> deeper and read and learn and that's great, but don't beat him down further!
>
> Now to not be faceless, for those that don't know me I'm a white guy (who
> has some north African roots!) who grew up in Australia. Where does even
> one start to discuss what we've done to our Indigenous population.  I live
> in London now, and I look around the office today and I can see people of
> all backgrounds getting on harmoniously - and that's London for you. Our
> racial issues, whilst still existing, pale in comparison with many other
> countries and cities.  Speaking of London, for those of you here, check
> these black history walks around the city (I just did the Soho one) -
> http://www.blackhistorywalks.co.uk/
>
> Hatchet buried? Just not in his head (or mine).  Where's George M Smiley
> these days?
>
> Now... I just picked up on some music by Javonntte.  Hadn't heard of him
> until a couple of weeks ago. Great to find a new name.
>
> BG
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Tue, 6 Nov 2018 at 13:12 Steven Robertson  wrote:
>
>> If I am, I really don't mean to be.  Guilty of poor communication.
>>
>> Conversation very confusing.
>>
>> On Tue, 6 Nov 2018, at 1:08 PM, denisedalph...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>
>> Your tone is extremely condescending. I chose the emoji because it is
>> rude.
>>
>> You could read my works. My latest essay that addresses Drexciya and UR
>> and Moodymann and revolution is getting some pretty good reviews.
>>
>> I already shared the book in an earlier email. I’m arrogant, but not
>> arrogant enough to post the link again.
>>
>> Also, I don’t care about 1 or 10 or 50 white people who are bigots,
>> you’re all the same to me. I’m not gonna waste my energy debating with you
>> about who you are. And I have to look like you. It sux. 
>>
>> Denise
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Nov 6, 2018, at 07:42, Steven Robertson  wrote:
>>
>> Yes I suppose it did. I wasn't aware that I was thinking about it, but as
>> it happens I came across other information a couple of days ago which
>> opened my eyes, and I will admit when I was wrong. To be fair, I am
>> sometimes processing things well beyond a conversation.  I do not have a
>> neuro-typical mind, and often struggle to keep up with a conversation.
>>
>> The feeling I woke up with this morning was that James Stinson did feel
>> very strongly about it, that I should know, and I hand't really listened to
>> what he said in the interview. I felt bad about it, because it was
>> ignorant. In the same manner I would defend other parties that fail to
>> appreciate the sensitive nature of it, as probably not aware of the insult.
>> I just didn't see it that way, that the interpretation as a listener
>> probably just suited my own world view. I want to be clear that I'm not
>> disappointed if that were the case, and I regret writing that I would be
>> disappointed. I am not personally ashamed, but I see no reason to be
>> disappointed. It's fair enough. I just don't really know enough about it,
>> leading to my ignorance.
>>
>> It's funny the emoticon you have put there looks like happy surprise
>> (though it probably depends on the image being used in the particular email
>> reader I guess). It's hard to tell if it's meant to be. You seem happily
>> provocative, and I don't really object to that. I might go and read more of
>> what you have got to say about it. The music is something else in any case,
>> but I accept that you probably know a lot better the motivations behind the
>> music, and that you may be right.
>>
>> On Tue, 6 Nov 2018, at 12:15 

Re: Why Drexciya Took Detroit Electro Underwater

[denisedalphond]

Steven had a “dream” and then had to tell us all about this amazing “dream.”

A long while after the conversation ended. 

Are you my mother?

> On Nov 6, 2018, at 08:38, Benn Glazier  wrote:
> 
> Denise - Steven has cap in hand apologised. You are now denigrating him for 
> that. I do not feel it serves a purpose to further chastise him about the 
> matter. 
> 
> We know how you feel, and rightly or wrongly people will agree with you.  
> You've spent a lot of time discussing your point of view and others have 
> shared theirs which I'm all for. Remember, all of us do not live in Detroit 
> or the US or have had first-hand contact with racial discrimination. 
> 
> Whilst that doesn't at all mean for one minute we're disagreeing with how 
> blacks have been downtrodden in society, it means our exposure is different. 
> In my eyes your points are more than valid but one's own experiences elicit a 
> response, and whilst we can be more well read than in previous years thanks 
> to technology, there's still a lot to learn for anyone who has not grown up 
> with or been subject to this oppression. Humans are fickle and behaviour to 
> get people on board needs to be constructive. Short answer, it would have 
> been great if RA had of produced the piece in the way that has been 
> discussed!  Bottom line, Denise, you made Stephen dig deeper and read and 
> learn and that's great, but don't beat him down further!
> 
> Now to not be faceless, for those that don't know me I'm a white guy (who has 
> some north African roots!) who grew up in Australia. Where does even one 
> start to discuss what we've done to our Indigenous population.  I live in 
> London now, and I look around the office today and I can see people of all 
> backgrounds getting on harmoniously - and that's London for you. Our racial 
> issues, whilst still existing, pale in comparison with many other countries 
> and cities.  Speaking of London, for those of you here, check these black 
> history walks around the city (I just did the Soho one) -  
> http://www.blackhistorywalks.co.uk/
> 
> Hatchet buried? Just not in his head (or mine).  Where's George M Smiley 
> these days? 
> 
> Now... I just picked up on some music by Javonntte.  Hadn't heard of him 
> until a couple of weeks ago. Great to find a new name. 
> 
> BG
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
>> On Tue, 6 Nov 2018 at 13:12 Steven Robertson  wrote:
>> If I am, I really don't mean to be.  Guilty of poor communication.
>> 
>> Conversation very confusing.
>> 
>>> On Tue, 6 Nov 2018, at 1:08 PM, denisedalph...@gmail.com wrote:
>>> 
>>> Your tone is extremely condescending. I chose the emoji because it is rude.
>>> 
>>> You could read my works. My latest essay that addresses Drexciya and UR and 
>>> Moodymann and revolution is getting some pretty good reviews. 
>>> 
>>> I already shared the book in an earlier email. I’m arrogant, but not 
>>> arrogant enough to post the link again. 
>>> 
>>> Also, I don’t care about 1 or 10 or 50 white people who are bigots, you’re 
>>> all the same to me. I’m not gonna waste my energy debating with you about 
>>> who you are. And I have to look like you. It sux. 
>>> 
>>> Denise
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
 On Nov 6, 2018, at 07:42, Steven Robertson  wrote:
 Yes I suppose it did. I wasn't aware that I was thinking about it, but as 
 it happens I came across other information a couple of days ago which 
 opened my eyes, and I will admit when I was wrong. To be fair, I am 
 sometimes processing things well beyond a conversation.  I do not have a 
 neuro-typical mind, and often struggle to keep up with a conversation.
 
 The feeling I woke up with this morning was that James Stinson did feel 
 very strongly about it, that I should know, and I hand't really listened 
 to what he said in the interview. I felt bad about it, because it was 
 ignorant. In the same manner I would defend other parties that fail to 
 appreciate the sensitive nature of it, as probably not aware of the 
 insult. I just didn't see it that way, that the interpretation as a 
 listener probably just suited my own world view. I want to be clear that 
 I'm not disappointed if that were the case, and I regret writing that I 
 would be disappointed. I am not personally ashamed, but I see no reason to 
 be disappointed. It's fair enough. I just don't really know enough about 
 it, leading to my ignorance.
 
 It's funny the emoticon you have put there looks like happy surprise 
 (though it probably depends on the image being used in the particular 
 email reader I guess). It's hard to tell if it's meant to be. You seem 
 happily provocative, and I don't really object to that. I might go and 
 read more of what you have got to say about it. The music is something 
 else in any case, but I accept that you probably know a lot better the 
 motivations behind the music, and that you may be right.
 

Re: Why Drexciya Took Detroit Electro Underwater

[Benn Glazier]

Denise - Steven has cap in hand apologised. You are now denigrating him for
that. I do not feel it serves a purpose to further chastise him about the
matter.

We know how you feel, and rightly or wrongly people will agree with you.
You've spent a lot of time discussing your point of view and others have
shared theirs which I'm all for. Remember, all of us do not live in Detroit
or the US or have had first-hand contact with racial discrimination.

Whilst that doesn't at all mean for one minute we're disagreeing with how
blacks have been downtrodden in society, it means our exposure is
different. In my eyes your points are more than valid but one's own
experiences elicit a response, and whilst we can be more well read than in
previous years thanks to technology, there's still a lot to learn for
anyone who has not grown up with or been subject to this oppression. Humans
are fickle and behaviour to get people on board needs to be constructive.
Short answer, it would have been great if RA had of produced the piece in
the way that has been discussed!  Bottom line, Denise, you made Stephen dig
deeper and read and learn and that's great, but don't beat him down further!

Now to not be faceless, for those that don't know me I'm a white guy (who
has some north African roots!) who grew up in Australia. Where does even
one start to discuss what we've done to our Indigenous population.  I live
in London now, and I look around the office today and I can see people of
all backgrounds getting on harmoniously - and that's London for you. Our
racial issues, whilst still existing, pale in comparison with many other
countries and cities.  Speaking of London, for those of you here, check
these black history walks around the city (I just did the Soho one) -
http://www.blackhistorywalks.co.uk/

Hatchet buried? Just not in his head (or mine).  Where's George M Smiley
these days?

Now... I just picked up on some music by Javonntte.  Hadn't heard of him
until a couple of weeks ago. Great to find a new name.

BG











On Tue, 6 Nov 2018 at 13:12 Steven Robertson  wrote:

> If I am, I really don't mean to be.  Guilty of poor communication.
>
> Conversation very confusing.
>
> On Tue, 6 Nov 2018, at 1:08 PM, denisedalph...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>
> Your tone is extremely condescending. I chose the emoji because it is rude.
>
> You could read my works. My latest essay that addresses Drexciya and UR
> and Moodymann and revolution is getting some pretty good reviews.
>
> I already shared the book in an earlier email. I’m arrogant, but not
> arrogant enough to post the link again.
>
> Also, I don’t care about 1 or 10 or 50 white people who are bigots, you’re
> all the same to me. I’m not gonna waste my energy debating with you about
> who you are. And I have to look like you. It sux. 
>
> Denise
>
>
>
>
> On Nov 6, 2018, at 07:42, Steven Robertson  wrote:
>
> Yes I suppose it did. I wasn't aware that I was thinking about it, but as
> it happens I came across other information a couple of days ago which
> opened my eyes, and I will admit when I was wrong. To be fair, I am
> sometimes processing things well beyond a conversation.  I do not have a
> neuro-typical mind, and often struggle to keep up with a conversation.
>
> The feeling I woke up with this morning was that James Stinson did feel
> very strongly about it, that I should know, and I hand't really listened to
> what he said in the interview. I felt bad about it, because it was
> ignorant. In the same manner I would defend other parties that fail to
> appreciate the sensitive nature of it, as probably not aware of the insult.
> I just didn't see it that way, that the interpretation as a listener
> probably just suited my own world view. I want to be clear that I'm not
> disappointed if that were the case, and I regret writing that I would be
> disappointed. I am not personally ashamed, but I see no reason to be
> disappointed. It's fair enough. I just don't really know enough about it,
> leading to my ignorance.
>
> It's funny the emoticon you have put there looks like happy surprise
> (though it probably depends on the image being used in the particular email
> reader I guess). It's hard to tell if it's meant to be. You seem happily
> provocative, and I don't really object to that. I might go and read more of
> what you have got to say about it. The music is something else in any case,
> but I accept that you probably know a lot better the motivations behind the
> music, and that you may be right.
>
> On Tue, 6 Nov 2018, at 12:15 PM, denisedalph...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>
> It took you this long to think of a response. 
>
> On Nov 6, 2018, at 04:07, Steven Robertson  wrote:
>
> Denise
>
> I woke up this morning having had a dream where I hadn't really heard what
> James Stinson was saying to Andrew Duke, that it was about racism, and that
> Denise was right. The feeling was strong. Only 20 minutes later I'm writing
> this and I'm still half asleep, but I know this was playing on 

Re: Why Drexciya Took Detroit Electro Underwater

[Steven Robertson]

I will just unsubscribe from this list. I apologise for whatever I said
that caused or may cause offence. I'm only here for the music, and I'm
sorry for responding to this topic entirely. Bye.

On Tue, 6 Nov 2018, at 1:14 PM, Steven Robertson wrote:
> No idea what that is.
> 
> 
> On Tue, 6 Nov 2018, at 1:13 PM, denisedalph...@gmail.com wrote:
>> 
>> “Provocative?” 
>> 
>> What is this 1988? Have you been watching Falcon Crest?
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On Nov 6, 2018, at 08:12, Steven Robertson  wrote:>>> If I 
>> am, I really don't mean to be.  Guilty of poor communication.
>>> 
>>> Conversation very confusing.
>>> 
>>> On Tue, 6 Nov 2018, at 1:08 PM, denisedalph...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Your tone is extremely condescending. I chose the emoji because it
 is rude. 
 You could read my works. My latest essay that addresses Drexciya
 and UR and Moodymann and revolution is getting some pretty good
 reviews. 
 I already shared the book in an earlier email. I’m arrogant, but
 not arrogant enough to post the link again. 
 Also, I don’t care about 1 or 10 or 50 white people who are bigots,
 you’re all the same to me. I’m not gonna waste my energy debating
 with you about who you are. And I have to look like you. It sux.  
 Denise
 
 
 
 
 On Nov 6, 2018, at 07:42, Steven Robertson 
 wrote:> Yes I suppose it did. I wasn't aware that I was thinking about 
 it,
> but as it happens I came across other information a couple of days
> ago which opened my eyes, and I will admit when I was wrong. To be
> fair, I am sometimes processing things well beyond a conversation.
> I do not have a neuro-typical mind, and often struggle to keep up
> with a conversation.> 
> The feeling I woke up with this morning was that James Stinson did
> feel very strongly about it, that I should know, and I hand't
> really listened to what he said in the interview. I felt bad about
> it, because it was ignorant. In the same manner I would defend
> other parties that fail to appreciate the sensitive nature of it,
> as probably not aware of the insult. I just didn't see it that
> way, that the interpretation as a listener probably just suited my
> own world view. I want to be clear that I'm not disappointed if
> that were the case, and I regret writing that I would be
> disappointed. I am not personally ashamed, but I see no reason to
> be disappointed. It's fair enough. I just don't really know enough
> about it, leading to my ignorance.> 
> It's funny the emoticon you have put there looks like happy
> surprise (though it probably depends on the image being used in
> the particular email reader I guess). It's hard to tell if it's
> meant to be. You seem happily provocative, and I don't really
> object to that. I might go and read more of what you have got to
> say about it. The music is something else in any case, but I
> accept that you probably know a lot better the motivations behind
> the music, and that you may be right.> 
> On Tue, 6 Nov 2018, at 12:15 PM, denisedalph...@gmail.com wrote:
>> 
>> It took you this long to think of a response. 
>> 
>> On Nov 6, 2018, at 04:07, Steven Robertson 
>> wrote:>>> Denise
>>> 
>>> I woke up this morning having had a dream where I hadn't really
>>> heard what James Stinson was saying to Andrew Duke, that it was
>>> about racism, and that Denise was right. The feeling was strong.
>>> Only 20 minutes later I'm writing this and I'm still half
>>> asleep, but I know this was playing on my mind since reading an
>>> article on the mostly unknown involvement of Scottish families
>>> in the slave trade, and how Glasgow and Edinburgh benefited, and
>>> honoured those families. It makes you feel sick.>>> 
>>> I'm not well read on history, but I also have read more recently
>>> about the practically unknown, hidden and widespread occupation
>>> of Scotland by the British army for many many years following
>>> the battle of Culloden. Following that were the highland
>>> clearances, ordered by land-owners in England. There's a
>>> monument to one of them, the Duke of Sutherland, twice an MP in
>>> the British Parliament, he later became the British ambassador
>>> in Paris. People demand that the statue be removed, or at least
>>> moved. In short, it says more about the British involvement in
>>> the slave trade at the time, but Scotland is shamed. Ports were
>>> not directly used, but they were used in some arrangement which
>>> was directly involved with the slave trade. I felt that we had
>>> nothing to do with that ugly business. I was born in Glasgow,
>>> and my ancestors there were all poor working class families. I
>>> think we should be taught this stuff in school. That's all white-

Re: Why Drexciya Took Detroit Electro Underwater

[Steven Robertson]

No idea what that is.


On Tue, 6 Nov 2018, at 1:13 PM, denisedalph...@gmail.com wrote:
> 
> “Provocative?” 
> 
> What is this 1988? Have you been watching Falcon Crest?
> 
> 
> 
> On Nov 6, 2018, at 08:12, Steven Robertson  wrote:
>> If I am, I really don't mean to be.  Guilty of poor communication.
>> 
>> Conversation very confusing.
>> 
>> On Tue, 6 Nov 2018, at 1:08 PM, denisedalph...@gmail.com wrote:
>>> 
>>> Your tone is extremely condescending. I chose the emoji because it
>>> is rude.>>> 
>>> You could read my works. My latest essay that addresses Drexciya and
>>> UR and Moodymann and revolution is getting some pretty good reviews.>>> 
>>> I already shared the book in an earlier email. I’m arrogant, but not
>>> arrogant enough to post the link again.>>> 
>>> Also, I don’t care about 1 or 10 or 50 white people who are bigots,
>>> you’re all the same to me. I’m not gonna waste my energy debating
>>> with you about who you are. And I have to look like you. It sux. >>> 
>>> Denise
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Nov 6, 2018, at 07:42, Steven Robertson  wrote: 
>>> Yes I suppose it did. I wasn't aware that I was thinking about it,
 but as it happens I came across other information a couple of days
 ago which opened my eyes, and I will admit when I was wrong. To be
 fair, I am sometimes processing things well beyond a conversation.
 I do not have a neuro-typical mind, and often struggle to keep up
 with a conversation. 
 The feeling I woke up with this morning was that James Stinson did
 feel very strongly about it, that I should know, and I hand't
 really listened to what he said in the interview. I felt bad about
 it, because it was ignorant. In the same manner I would defend
 other parties that fail to appreciate the sensitive nature of it,
 as probably not aware of the insult. I just didn't see it that way,
 that the interpretation as a listener probably just suited my own
 world view. I want to be clear that I'm not disappointed if that
 were the case, and I regret writing that I would be disappointed. I
 am not personally ashamed, but I see no reason to be disappointed.
 It's fair enough. I just don't really know enough about it, leading
 to my ignorance. 
 It's funny the emoticon you have put there looks like happy
 surprise (though it probably depends on the image being used in the
 particular email reader I guess). It's hard to tell if it's meant
 to be. You seem happily provocative, and I don't really object to
 that. I might go and read more of what you have got to say about
 it. The music is something else in any case, but I accept that you
 probably know a lot better the motivations behind the music, and
 that you may be right. 
 On Tue, 6 Nov 2018, at 12:15 PM, denisedalph...@gmail.com wrote:
> 
> It took you this long to think of a response. 
> 
> On Nov 6, 2018, at 04:07, Steven Robertson 
> wrote:>> Denise
>> 
>> I woke up this morning having had a dream where I hadn't really
>> heard what James Stinson was saying to Andrew Duke, that it was
>> about racism, and that Denise was right. The feeling was strong.
>> Only 20 minutes later I'm writing this and I'm still half asleep,
>> but I know this was playing on my mind since reading an article
>> on the mostly unknown involvement of Scottish families in the
>> slave trade, and how Glasgow and Edinburgh benefited, and
>> honoured those families. It makes you feel sick.>> 
>> I'm not well read on history, but I also have read more recently
>> about the practically unknown, hidden and widespread occupation
>> of Scotland by the British army for many many years following the
>> battle of Culloden. Following that were the highland clearances,
>> ordered by land-owners in England. There's a monument to one of
>> them, the Duke of Sutherland, twice an MP in the British
>> Parliament, he later became the British ambassador in Paris.
>> People demand that the statue be removed, or at least moved. In
>> short, it says more about the British involvement in the slave
>> trade at the time, but Scotland is shamed. Ports were not
>> directly used, but they were used in some arrangement which was
>> directly involved with the slave trade. I felt that we had
>> nothing to do with that ugly business. I was born in Glasgow, and
>> my ancestors there were all poor working class families. I think
>> we should be taught this stuff in school. That's all white-
>> washing and as a result we are mostly ignorant. I will apologise
>> for my own ignorance, and appreciate that you may be right. I
>> certainly woke with a strong feeling that you could be.>> 
>> Regards
>> 
>> Steve
>> 
>> On Wed, 24 Oct 2018, at 7:23 PM, denisedalph...@gmail.com wrote:>>> 
>>> I didn’t say that Black 

Re: Why Drexciya Took Detroit Electro Underwater

[denisedalphond]

“Provocative?” 

What is this 1988? Have you been watching Falcon Crest?



> On Nov 6, 2018, at 08:12, Steven Robertson  wrote:
> 
> If I am, I really don't mean to be.  Guilty of poor communication.
> 
> Conversation very confusing.
> 
>> On Tue, 6 Nov 2018, at 1:08 PM, denisedalph...@gmail.com wrote:
>> 
>> Your tone is extremely condescending. I chose the emoji because it is rude.
>> 
>> You could read my works. My latest essay that addresses Drexciya and UR and 
>> Moodymann and revolution is getting some pretty good reviews. 
>> 
>> I already shared the book in an earlier email. I’m arrogant, but not 
>> arrogant enough to post the link again. 
>> 
>> Also, I don’t care about 1 or 10 or 50 white people who are bigots, you’re 
>> all the same to me. I’m not gonna waste my energy debating with you about 
>> who you are. And I have to look like you. It sux. 
>> 
>> Denise
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On Nov 6, 2018, at 07:42, Steven Robertson  wrote:
>>> Yes I suppose it did. I wasn't aware that I was thinking about it, but as 
>>> it happens I came across other information a couple of days ago which 
>>> opened my eyes, and I will admit when I was wrong. To be fair, I am 
>>> sometimes processing things well beyond a conversation.  I do not have a 
>>> neuro-typical mind, and often struggle to keep up with a conversation.
>>> 
>>> The feeling I woke up with this morning was that James Stinson did feel 
>>> very strongly about it, that I should know, and I hand't really listened to 
>>> what he said in the interview. I felt bad about it, because it was 
>>> ignorant. In the same manner I would defend other parties that fail to 
>>> appreciate the sensitive nature of it, as probably not aware of the insult. 
>>> I just didn't see it that way, that the interpretation as a listener 
>>> probably just suited my own world view. I want to be clear that I'm not 
>>> disappointed if that were the case, and I regret writing that I would be 
>>> disappointed. I am not personally ashamed, but I see no reason to be 
>>> disappointed. It's fair enough. I just don't really know enough about it, 
>>> leading to my ignorance.
>>> 
>>> It's funny the emoticon you have put there looks like happy surprise 
>>> (though it probably depends on the image being used in the particular email 
>>> reader I guess). It's hard to tell if it's meant to be. You seem happily 
>>> provocative, and I don't really object to that. I might go and read more of 
>>> what you have got to say about it. The music is something else in any case, 
>>> but I accept that you probably know a lot better the motivations behind the 
>>> music, and that you may be right.
>>> 
 On Tue, 6 Nov 2018, at 12:15 PM, denisedalph...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 It took you this long to think of a response. 
 
> On Nov 6, 2018, at 04:07, Steven Robertson  wrote:
> Denise
> 
> I woke up this morning having had a dream where I hadn't really heard 
> what James Stinson was saying to Andrew Duke, that it was about racism, 
> and that Denise was right. The feeling was strong. Only 20 minutes later 
> I'm writing this and I'm still half asleep, but I know this was playing 
> on my mind since reading an article on the mostly unknown involvement of 
> Scottish families in the slave trade, and how Glasgow and Edinburgh 
> benefited, and honoured those families. It makes you feel sick.
> 
> I'm not well read on history, but I also have read more recently about 
> the practically unknown, hidden and widespread occupation of Scotland by 
> the British army for many many years following the battle of Culloden. 
> Following that were the highland clearances, ordered by land-owners in 
> England. There's a monument to one of them, the Duke of Sutherland, twice 
> an MP in the British Parliament, he later became the British ambassador 
> in Paris. People demand that the statue be removed, or at least moved. In 
> short, it says more about the British involvement in the slave trade at 
> the time, but Scotland is shamed. Ports were not directly used, but they 
> were used in some arrangement which was directly involved with the slave 
> trade. I felt that we had nothing to do with that ugly business. I was 
> born in Glasgow, and my ancestors there were all poor working class 
> families. I think we should be taught this stuff in school. That's all 
> white-washing and as a result we are mostly ignorant. I will apologise 
> for my own ignorance, and appreciate that you may be right. I certainly 
> woke with a strong feeling that you could be.
> 
> Regards
> 
> Steve
> 
>> On Wed, 24 Oct 2018, at 7:23 PM, denisedalph...@gmail.com wrote:
>> 
>> I didn’t say that Black people would be, should be, or are offended. 
>> Read my original statements. I’m confused by your rage. Better yet, 
>> you’re confused by your rage. 
>> 
>> 

Re: Why Drexciya Took Detroit Electro Underwater

[Steven Robertson]

If I am, I really don't mean to be.  Guilty of poor communication.

Conversation very confusing.

On Tue, 6 Nov 2018, at 1:08 PM, denisedalph...@gmail.com wrote:
> 
> Your tone is extremely condescending. I chose the emoji because it
> is rude.> 
> You could read my works. My latest essay that addresses Drexciya and
> UR and Moodymann and revolution is getting some pretty good reviews.> 
> I already shared the book in an earlier email. I’m arrogant, but not
> arrogant enough to post the link again.> 
> Also, I don’t care about 1 or 10 or 50 white people who are bigots,
> you’re all the same to me. I’m not gonna waste my energy debating with
> you about who you are. And I have to look like you. It sux. > 
> Denise
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On Nov 6, 2018, at 07:42, Steven Robertson  wrote:
>> Yes I suppose it did. I wasn't aware that I was thinking about it,
>> but as it happens I came across other information a couple of days
>> ago which opened my eyes, and I will admit when I was wrong. To be
>> fair, I am sometimes processing things well beyond a conversation.  I
>> do not have a neuro-typical mind, and often struggle to keep up with
>> a conversation.>> 
>> The feeling I woke up with this morning was that James Stinson did
>> feel very strongly about it, that I should know, and I hand't really
>> listened to what he said in the interview. I felt bad about it,
>> because it was ignorant. In the same manner I would defend other
>> parties that fail to appreciate the sensitive nature of it, as
>> probably not aware of the insult. I just didn't see it that way, that
>> the interpretation as a listener probably just suited my own world
>> view. I want to be clear that I'm not disappointed if that were the
>> case, and I regret writing that I would be disappointed. I am not
>> personally ashamed, but I see no reason to be disappointed. It's fair
>> enough. I just don't really know enough about it, leading to my
>> ignorance.>> 
>> It's funny the emoticon you have put there looks like happy surprise
>> (though it probably depends on the image being used in the particular
>> email reader I guess). It's hard to tell if it's meant to be. You
>> seem happily provocative, and I don't really object to that. I might
>> go and read more of what you have got to say about it. The music is
>> something else in any case, but I accept that you probably know a lot
>> better the motivations behind the music, and that you may be right.>> 
>> On Tue, 6 Nov 2018, at 12:15 PM, denisedalph...@gmail.com wrote:
>>> 
>>> It took you this long to think of a response. 
>>> 
>>> On Nov 6, 2018, at 04:07, Steven Robertson  wrote: 
>>> Denise
 
 I woke up this morning having had a dream where I hadn't really
 heard what James Stinson was saying to Andrew Duke, that it was
 about racism, and that Denise was right. The feeling was strong.
 Only 20 minutes later I'm writing this and I'm still half asleep,
 but I know this was playing on my mind since reading an article on
 the mostly unknown involvement of Scottish families in the slave
 trade, and how Glasgow and Edinburgh benefited, and honoured those
 families. It makes you feel sick. 
 I'm not well read on history, but I also have read more recently
 about the practically unknown, hidden and widespread occupation of
 Scotland by the British army for many many years following the
 battle of Culloden. Following that were the highland clearances,
 ordered by land-owners in England. There's a monument to one of
 them, the Duke of Sutherland, twice an MP in the British
 Parliament, he later became the British ambassador in Paris. People
 demand that the statue be removed, or at least moved. In short, it
 says more about the British involvement in the slave trade at the
 time, but Scotland is shamed. Ports were not directly used, but
 they were used in some arrangement which was directly involved with
 the slave trade. I felt that we had nothing to do with that ugly
 business. I was born in Glasgow, and my ancestors there were all
 poor working class families. I think we should be taught this stuff
 in school. That's all white-washing and as a result we are mostly
 ignorant. I will apologise for my own ignorance, and appreciate
 that you may be right. I certainly woke with a strong feeling that
 you could be. 
 Regards
 
 Steve
 
 On Wed, 24 Oct 2018, at 7:23 PM, denisedalph...@gmail.com wrote:
> 
> I didn’t say that Black people would be, should be, or are
> offended. Read my original statements. I’m confused by your rage.
> Better yet, you’re confused by your rage.> 
> Denise
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On Oct 24, 2018, at 13:33, Joe Marougi  wrote:>> 
> Even though English is my second language I just looked it up and
>> I feel that it was an accurate description of her intentions
>> based on >50% of the 

Re: Why Drexciya Took Detroit Electro Underwater

[denisedalphond]

Your tone is extremely condescending. I chose the emoji because it is rude.

You could read my works. My latest essay that addresses Drexciya and UR and 
Moodymann and revolution is getting some pretty good reviews. 

I already shared the book in an earlier email. I’m arrogant, but not arrogant 
enough to post the link again. 

Also, I don’t care about 1 or 10 or 50 white people who are bigots, you’re all 
the same to me. I’m not gonna waste my energy debating with you about who you 
are. And I have to look like you. It sux. 

Denise




> On Nov 6, 2018, at 07:42, Steven Robertson  wrote:
> 
> Yes I suppose it did. I wasn't aware that I was thinking about it, but as it 
> happens I came across other information a couple of days ago which opened my 
> eyes, and I will admit when I was wrong. To be fair, I am sometimes 
> processing things well beyond a conversation.  I do not have a neuro-typical 
> mind, and often struggle to keep up with a conversation.
> 
> The feeling I woke up with this morning was that James Stinson did feel very 
> strongly about it, that I should know, and I hand't really listened to what 
> he said in the interview. I felt bad about it, because it was ignorant. In 
> the same manner I would defend other parties that fail to appreciate the 
> sensitive nature of it, as probably not aware of the insult. I just didn't 
> see it that way, that the interpretation as a listener probably just suited 
> my own world view. I want to be clear that I'm not disappointed if that were 
> the case, and I regret writing that I would be disappointed. I am not 
> personally ashamed, but I see no reason to be disappointed. It's fair enough. 
> I just don't really know enough about it, leading to my ignorance.
> 
> It's funny the emoticon you have put there looks like happy surprise (though 
> it probably depends on the image being used in the particular email reader I 
> guess). It's hard to tell if it's meant to be. You seem happily provocative, 
> and I don't really object to that. I might go and read more of what you have 
> got to say about it. The music is something else in any case, but I accept 
> that you probably know a lot better the motivations behind the music, and 
> that you may be right.
> 
>> On Tue, 6 Nov 2018, at 12:15 PM, denisedalph...@gmail.com wrote:
>> 
>> It took you this long to think of a response. 
>> 
>>> On Nov 6, 2018, at 04:07, Steven Robertson  wrote:
>>> Denise
>>> 
>>> I woke up this morning having had a dream where I hadn't really heard what 
>>> James Stinson was saying to Andrew Duke, that it was about racism, and that 
>>> Denise was right. The feeling was strong. Only 20 minutes later I'm writing 
>>> this and I'm still half asleep, but I know this was playing on my mind 
>>> since reading an article on the mostly unknown involvement of Scottish 
>>> families in the slave trade, and how Glasgow and Edinburgh benefited, and 
>>> honoured those families. It makes you feel sick.
>>> 
>>> I'm not well read on history, but I also have read more recently about the 
>>> practically unknown, hidden and widespread occupation of Scotland by the 
>>> British army for many many years following the battle of Culloden. 
>>> Following that were the highland clearances, ordered by land-owners in 
>>> England. There's a monument to one of them, the Duke of Sutherland, twice 
>>> an MP in the British Parliament, he later became the British ambassador in 
>>> Paris. People demand that the statue be removed, or at least moved. In 
>>> short, it says more about the British involvement in the slave trade at the 
>>> time, but Scotland is shamed. Ports were not directly used, but they were 
>>> used in some arrangement which was directly involved with the slave trade. 
>>> I felt that we had nothing to do with that ugly business. I was born in 
>>> Glasgow, and my ancestors there were all poor working class families. I 
>>> think we should be taught this stuff in school. That's all white-washing 
>>> and as a result we are mostly ignorant. I will apologise for my own 
>>> ignorance, and appreciate that you may be right. I certainly woke with a 
>>> strong feeling that you could be.
>>> 
>>> Regards
>>> 
>>> Steve
>>> 
 On Wed, 24 Oct 2018, at 7:23 PM, denisedalph...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 I didn’t say that Black people would be, should be, or are offended. Read 
 my original statements. I’m confused by your rage. Better yet, you’re 
 confused by your rage. 
 
 Denise
 
 
 
 
 
> On Oct 24, 2018, at 13:33, Joe Marougi  wrote:
> Even though English is my second language I just looked it up and I feel 
> that it was an accurate description of her intentions based on >50% of 
> the synonyms being a match. 
> 
> Could I have used another word?  Sure, there are many synonyms to choose 
> from.  I think “not being fair” and “not applying proper moral 
> principles” is precisely what she’s guilty of:
> 
> 

Re: Why Drexciya Took Detroit Electro Underwater

[Steven Robertson]

Yes I suppose it did. I wasn't aware that I was thinking about it, but
as it happens I came across other information a couple of days ago which
opened my eyes, and I will admit when I was wrong. To be fair, I am
sometimes processing things well beyond a conversation.  I do not have a
neuro-typical mind, and often struggle to keep up with a conversation.
The feeling I woke up with this morning was that James Stinson did feel
very strongly about it, that I should know, and I hand't really listened
to what he said in the interview. I felt bad about it, because it was
ignorant. In the same manner I would defend other parties that fail to
appreciate the sensitive nature of it, as probably not aware of the
insult. I just didn't see it that way, that the interpretation as a
listener probably just suited my own world view. I want to be clear that
I'm not disappointed if that were the case, and I regret writing that I
would be disappointed. I am not personally ashamed, but I see no reason
to be disappointed. It's fair enough. I just don't really know enough
about it, leading to my ignorance.
It's funny the emoticon you have put there looks like happy surprise
(though it probably depends on the image being used in the particular
email reader I guess). It's hard to tell if it's meant to be. You seem
happily provocative, and I don't really object to that. I might go and
read more of what you have got to say about it. The music is something
else in any case, but I accept that you probably know a lot better the
motivations behind the music, and that you may be right.
On Tue, 6 Nov 2018, at 12:15 PM, denisedalph...@gmail.com wrote:
> 
> It took you this long to think of a response. 
> 
> On Nov 6, 2018, at 04:07, Steven Robertson  wrote:
>> Denise
>> 
>> I woke up this morning having had a dream where I hadn't really heard
>> what James Stinson was saying to Andrew Duke, that it was about
>> racism, and that Denise was right. The feeling was strong. Only 20
>> minutes later I'm writing this and I'm still half asleep, but I know
>> this was playing on my mind since reading an article on the mostly
>> unknown involvement of Scottish families in the slave trade, and how
>> Glasgow and Edinburgh benefited, and honoured those families. It
>> makes you feel sick.>> 
>> I'm not well read on history, but I also have read more recently
>> about the practically unknown, hidden and widespread occupation of
>> Scotland by the British army for many many years following the battle
>> of Culloden. Following that were the highland clearances, ordered by
>> land-owners in England. There's a monument to one of them, the Duke
>> of Sutherland, twice an MP in the British Parliament, he later became
>> the British ambassador in Paris. People demand that the statue be
>> removed, or at least moved. In short, it says more about the British
>> involvement in the slave trade at the time, but Scotland is shamed.
>> Ports were not directly used, but they were used in some arrangement
>> which was directly involved with the slave trade. I felt that we had
>> nothing to do with that ugly business. I was born in Glasgow, and my
>> ancestors there were all poor working class families. I think we
>> should be taught this stuff in school. That's all white-washing and
>> as a result we are mostly ignorant. I will apologise for my own
>> ignorance, and appreciate that you may be right. I certainly woke
>> with a strong feeling that you could be.>> 
>> Regards
>> 
>> Steve
>> 
>> On Wed, 24 Oct 2018, at 7:23 PM, denisedalph...@gmail.com wrote:
>>> 
>>> I didn’t say that Black people would be, should be, or are offended.
>>> Read my original statements. I’m confused by your rage. Better yet,
>>> you’re confused by your rage.>>> 
>>> Denise
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Oct 24, 2018, at 13:33, Joe Marougi  wrote:
 Even though English is my second language I just looked it up and I
 feel that it was an accurate description of her intentions based on
 >50% of the synonyms being a match. 
 Could I have used another word?  Sure, there are many synonyms to
 choose from.  I think “not being fair” and “not applying proper
 moral principles” is precisely what she’s guilty of: 
 https://www.google.com/search?rlz=1CDGOYI_enUS761US761=en-US=_KnQW9COIdrB0PEPjLmWgAM=false=unscrupulous=uns_l=mobile-gws-wiz-serp.1.0.35i39j0i131l2j46i20i264j0i131.3280.5506..6457...1.0..3.502.2111.0j9j1j5-1..01...5..0j0i71j0i10j46i39j0i131i20i264.72dD2dpqNVQ
  
 
 
 On Wed, Oct 24, 2018 at 10:19 AM kent williams
  wrote:> I think it's fine to disagree, even 
 to argue, but putting on my
> 313 List Administrator Crown and picking up my 313 List
> Administrator Sceptre, let me say this:> 
> I think that calling other list members 'unscrupulous' is over the
> line.  And in this particular case, patently absurd.  Denise has
> strong opinions and you can argue about them all you want, but 

Re: Why Drexciya Took Detroit Electro Underwater

[denisedalphond]

It took you this long to think of a response. 

> On Nov 6, 2018, at 04:07, Steven Robertson  wrote:
> 
> Denise
> 
> I woke up this morning having had a dream where I hadn't really heard what 
> James Stinson was saying to Andrew Duke, that it was about racism, and that 
> Denise was right. The feeling was strong. Only 20 minutes later I'm writing 
> this and I'm still half asleep, but I know this was playing on my mind since 
> reading an article on the mostly unknown involvement of Scottish families in 
> the slave trade, and how Glasgow and Edinburgh benefited, and honoured those 
> families. It makes you feel sick.
> 
> I'm not well read on history, but I also have read more recently about the 
> practically unknown, hidden and widespread occupation of Scotland by the 
> British army for many many years following the battle of Culloden. Following 
> that were the highland clearances, ordered by land-owners in England. There's 
> a monument to one of them, the Duke of Sutherland, twice an MP in the British 
> Parliament, he later became the British ambassador in Paris. People demand 
> that the statue be removed, or at least moved. In short, it says more about 
> the British involvement in the slave trade at the time, but Scotland is 
> shamed. Ports were not directly used, but they were used in some arrangement 
> which was directly involved with the slave trade. I felt that we had nothing 
> to do with that ugly business. I was born in Glasgow, and my ancestors there 
> were all poor working class families. I think we should be taught this stuff 
> in school. That's all white-washing and as a result we are mostly ignorant. I 
> will apologise for my own ignorance, and appreciate that you may be right. I 
> certainly woke with a strong feeling that you could be.
> 
> Regards
> 
> Steve
> 
>> On Wed, 24 Oct 2018, at 7:23 PM, denisedalph...@gmail.com wrote:
>> 
>> I didn’t say that Black people would be, should be, or are offended. Read my 
>> original statements. I’m confused by your rage. Better yet, you’re confused 
>> by your rage. 
>> 
>> Denise
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On Oct 24, 2018, at 13:33, Joe Marougi  wrote:
>>> Even though English is my second language I just looked it up and I feel 
>>> that it was an accurate description of her intentions based on >50% of the 
>>> synonyms being a match. 
>>> 
>>> Could I have used another word?  Sure, there are many synonyms to choose 
>>> from.  I think “not being fair” and “not applying proper moral principles” 
>>> is precisely what she’s guilty of:
>>> 
>>> https://www.google.com/search?rlz=1CDGOYI_enUS761US761=en-US=_KnQW9COIdrB0PEPjLmWgAM=false=unscrupulous=uns_l=mobile-gws-wiz-serp.1.0.35i39j0i131l2j46i20i264j0i131.3280.5506..6457...1.0..3.502.2111.0j9j1j5-1..01...5..0j0i71j0i10j46i39j0i131i20i264.72dD2dpqNVQ
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Wed, Oct 24, 2018 at 10:19 AM kent williams  
>>> wrote:
>>> I think it's fine to disagree, even to argue, but putting on my 313 List 
>>> Administrator Crown and picking up my 313 List Administrator Sceptre, let 
>>> me say this:
>>> 
>>> I think that calling other list members 'unscrupulous' is over the line.  
>>> And in this particular case, patently absurd.  Denise has strong opinions 
>>> and you can argue about them all you want, but she is not unscrupulous.
>>> 
>>> To quote Inigo Montoya,  "I do not think it means what you think it means."
>>> 
>>> On Wed, Oct 24, 2018 at 12:03 PM Joe Marougi  wrote:
>>> Agreed,
>>> 
>>> However I do feel that unscrupulous race-baiting should be called out just 
>>> as much as actual racist views/comments. 
>>> 
>>> Next subject? 邏
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Wed, Oct 24, 2018 at 9:48 AM ja...@iridite.com  wrote:
>>> Heh - you obviously weren't part of our.discussion about Dixon Avenue 
>>> Basement Jams a year or so ago on Facebook :)
>>> 
>>> ANYWAYlet's move off the insta-drama and on to the music..much love, 
>>> massive respect, nuff said 
>>> 
>>> Jason
>>> 
>>> On Wed, 24 Oct 2018 at 17:42, kent williams  wrote:
>>> Tom Cox got the fuck out of the 313 list when the getting was good. He's 
>>> still as opinionated as ever, still doing battle with the sucka MCs (aren't 
>>> we all?), but I think he mostly stays out of trouble these days.
>>> 
>>> I'm trying to remember when he posted to 313 last. Something like 15 years 
>>> ago?
>>> 
>>> On Wed, Oct 24, 2018 at 11:38 AM Martin Dust  wrote:
>>> 
>>> > On 24 Oct 2018, at 17:36,ja...@iridite.com wrote:
>>> > 
>>> > Where's Tom Cox when you need him?  He's always got a calm and measured 
>>> > response in situations like this.
>>> > 
>>> 
>>> Proper LOL
> 

Electro Mix for Deep Space Radio

[Steven Robertson]

Here's a mix I did for Deep Space Radio (Tec-Troit). Since it was broadcast 
I've uploaded it to Mixcloud.

https://www.mixcloud.com/stevedbx/steve-robertson-electro-mix-deep-space-radio/

It has received a warm response, and I really enjoyed putting it together. I 
think it's quite a unique selection of tracks, and certainly very much inspired 
by Detroit electro. It probably isn't purely electro, whatever that is supposed 
to be. It's more than just beats, with several of these tracks being more 
techno-oriented. There's a blend of styles certainly, over 2 hours. Many of my 
favourite tracks :)

Re: Why Drexciya Took Detroit Electro Underwater

[313]

Iona. Rome. Detroit.

On 2018-11-06 09:07, Steven Robertson wrote:

Denise

I woke up this morning having had a dream where I hadn't really heard
what James Stinson was saying to Andrew Duke, that it was about
racism, and that Denise was right. The feeling was strong. Only 20
minutes later I'm writing this and I'm still half asleep, but I know
this was playing on my mind since reading an article on the mostly
unknown involvement of Scottish families in the slave trade, and how
Glasgow and Edinburgh benefited, and honoured those families. It makes
you feel sick.

I'm not well read on history, but I also have read more recently about
the practically unknown, hidden and widespread occupation of Scotland
by the British army for many many years following the battle of
Culloden. Following that were the highland clearances, ordered by
land-owners in England. There's a monument to one of them, the Duke of
Sutherland, twice an MP in the British Parliament, he later became the
British ambassador in Paris. People demand that the statue be removed,
or at least moved. In short, it says more about the British
involvement in the slave trade at the time, but Scotland is shamed.
Ports were not directly used, but they were used in some arrangement
which was directly involved with the slave trade. I felt that we had
nothing to do with that ugly business. I was born in Glasgow, and my
ancestors there were all poor working class families. I think we
should be taught this stuff in school. That's all white-washing and as
a result we are mostly ignorant. I will apologise for my own
ignorance, and appreciate that you may be right. I certainly woke with
a strong feeling that you could be.

Regards

Steve

On Wed, 24 Oct 2018, at 7:23 PM, denisedalph...@gmail.com wrote:


I didn’t say that Black people would be, should be, or are
offended. Read my original statements. I’m confused by your rage.
Better yet, you’re confused by your rage.

Denise

On Oct 24, 2018, at 13:33, Joe Marougi  wrote:

Even though English is my second language I just looked it up and I
feel that it was an accurate description of her intentions based on

50% of the synonyms being a match.


Could I have used another word?  Sure, there are many synonyms to
choose from.  I think “not being fair” and “not applying
proper moral principles” is precisely what she’s guilty of:



https://www.google.com/search?rlz=1CDGOYI_enUS761US761=en-US=_KnQW9COIdrB0PEPjLmWgAM=false=unscrupulous=uns_l=mobile-gws-wiz-serp.1.0.35i39j0i131l2j46i20i264j0i131.3280.5506..6457...1.0..3.502.2111.0j9j1j5-1..01...5..0j0i71j0i10j46i39j0i131i20i264.72dD2dpqNVQ


On Wed, Oct 24, 2018 at 10:19 AM kent williams
 wrote:

I think it's fine to disagree, even to argue, but putting on my 313
List Administrator Crown and picking up my 313 List Administrator
Sceptre, let me say this:

I think that calling other list members 'unscrupulous' is over the
line.  And in this particular case, patently absurd.  Denise has
strong opinions and you can argue about them all you want, but she
is not unscrupulous.

To quote Inigo Montoya,  "I do not think it means what you think it
means."

On Wed, Oct 24, 2018 at 12:03 PM Joe Marougi 
wrote:

Agreed,

However I do feel that unscrupulous race-baiting should be called
out just as much as actual racist views/comments.

Next subject? 邏

On Wed, Oct 24, 2018 at 9:48 AM ja...@iridite.com
 wrote:

Heh - you obviously weren't part of our.discussion about Dixon
Avenue Basement Jams a year or so ago on Facebook :)

ANYWAYlet's move off the insta-drama and on to the music..much
love, massive respect, nuff said

Jason

On Wed, 24 Oct 2018 at 17:42, kent williams 
wrote:

Tom Cox got the fuck out of the 313 list when the getting was good.
He's still as opinionated as ever, still doing battle with the sucka
MCs (aren't we all?), but I think he mostly stays out of trouble
these days.

I'm trying to remember when he posted to 313 last. Something like 15
years ago?

On Wed, Oct 24, 2018 at 11:38 AM Martin Dust
 wrote:


On 24 Oct 2018, at 17:36,ja...@iridite.com wrote:







Where's Tom Cox when you need him?  He's always got a calm and

measured response in situations like this.





Proper LOL

Re: Why Drexciya Took Detroit Electro Underwater

[Steven Robertson]

Denise

I woke up this morning having had a dream where I hadn't really heard
what James Stinson was saying to Andrew Duke, that it was about racism,
and that Denise was right. The feeling was strong. Only 20 minutes later
I'm writing this and I'm still half asleep, but I know this was playing
on my mind since reading an article on the mostly unknown involvement of
Scottish families in the slave trade, and how Glasgow and Edinburgh
benefited, and honoured those families. It makes you feel sick.
I'm not well read on history, but I also have read more recently about
the practically unknown, hidden and widespread occupation of Scotland by
the British army for many many years following the battle of Culloden.
Following that were the highland clearances, ordered by land-owners in
England. There's a monument to one of them, the Duke of Sutherland,
twice an MP in the British Parliament, he later became the British
ambassador in Paris. People demand that the statue be removed, or at
least moved. In short, it says more about the British involvement in the
slave trade at the time, but Scotland is shamed. Ports were not directly
used, but they were used in some arrangement which was directly involved
with the slave trade. I felt that we had nothing to do with that ugly
business. I was born in Glasgow, and my ancestors there were all poor
working class families. I think we should be taught this stuff in
school. That's all white-washing and as a result we are mostly ignorant.
I will apologise for my own ignorance, and appreciate that you may be
right. I certainly woke with a strong feeling that you could be.
Regards

Steve

On Wed, 24 Oct 2018, at 7:23 PM, denisedalph...@gmail.com wrote:
> 
> I didn’t say that Black people would be, should be, or are offended.
> Read my original statements. I’m confused by your rage. Better yet,
> you’re confused by your rage.> 
> Denise
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On Oct 24, 2018, at 13:33, Joe Marougi  wrote:
>> Even though English is my second language I just looked it up and I
>> feel that it was an accurate description of her intentions based on
>> >50% of the synonyms being a match.>> 
>> Could I have used another word?  Sure, there are many synonyms to
>> choose from.  I think “not being fair” and “not applying proper moral
>> principles” is precisely what she’s guilty of:>> 
>> https://www.google.com/search?rlz=1CDGOYI_enUS761US761=en-US=_KnQW9COIdrB0PEPjLmWgAM=false=unscrupulous=uns_l=mobile-gws-wiz-serp.1.0.35i39j0i131l2j46i20i264j0i131.3280.5506..6457...1.0..3.502.2111.0j9j1j5-1..01...5..0j0i71j0i10j46i39j0i131i20i264.72dD2dpqNVQ>>
>>  
>> 
>> 
>> On Wed, Oct 24, 2018 at 10:19 AM kent williams
>>  wrote:>>> I think it's fine to disagree, even to 
>> argue, but putting on my 313
>>> List Administrator Crown and picking up my 313 List Administrator
>>> Sceptre, let me say this:>>> 
>>> I think that calling other list members 'unscrupulous' is over the
>>> line.  And in this particular case, patently absurd.  Denise has
>>> strong opinions and you can argue about them all you want, but she
>>> is not unscrupulous.>>> 
>>> To quote Inigo Montoya,  "I do not think it means what you think it
>>> means.">>> 
>>> On Wed, Oct 24, 2018 at 12:03 PM Joe Marougi 
>>> wrote: Agreed,
 
 However I do feel that unscrupulous race-baiting should be called
 out just as much as actual racist views/comments. 
 Next subject? 邏
 
 
 
 On Wed, Oct 24, 2018 at 9:48 AM ja...@iridite.com
  wrote:> Heh - you obviously weren't part of 
 our.discussion about Dixon
> Avenue Basement Jams a year or so ago on Facebook :)> 
> ANYWAYlet's move off the insta-drama and on to the music..much
> love, massive respect, nuff said> 
> Jason
> 
> On Wed, 24 Oct 2018 at 17:42, kent williams
>  wrote:>> Tom Cox got the fuck out of the 313 
> list when the getting was
>> good. He's still as opinionated as ever, still doing battle with
>> the sucka MCs (aren't we all?), but I think he mostly stays out
>> of trouble these days.>> 
>> I'm trying to remember when he posted to 313 last. Something like
>> 15 years ago?>> 
>> On Wed, Oct 24, 2018 at 11:38 AM Martin Dust
>>  wrote:>>> 
>>> > On 24 Oct 2018, at 17:36,ja...@iridite.com wrote:
>>>  > 
>>>  > Where's Tom Cox when you need him?  He's always got a calm
>>>  > and measured response in situations like this.>>>  > 
>>> 
>>>  Proper LOL