Re: 4D v17 Property List Issues - is this only me?

[Keisuke Miyako via 4D_Tech]

what if you create a new user account on the same Mac,
login as the other user, and use 4D from that Desktop?

I ask, because I've had similar experiences with M. Excel in the past,
where (maybe) the preferences info plist file or some other support file was 
corrupt in my primary account.

2019/10/03 7:42、Guy Algot via 4D_Tech 
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Same problem for me. I’m using v17.2 now and its gotten better. The delay has 
varied since v17. v17 was almost unusable for me.



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Re: 4D v17 Property List Issues - is this only me?

[Guy Algot via 4D_Tech]

Same problem for me. I’m using v17.2 now and its gotten better. The delay has 
varied since v17. v17 was almost unusable for me.

macOS 10.13.6 & 10.14.6

> On Oct 1, 2019, at 9:44 AM, Daniel Solenthaler via 4D_Tech 
> <4d_tech@lists.4d.com> wrote:
> 
> Hi everyone,
> 
> Working in Design mode on a form, I find the following behaviour of 4D v17 a 
> nuisance:
> 
> In 4D v16 I can click onto a cell of the property list and the cell content 
> is immediately highlighted and modifiable.
> 
> In 4D v17R5 I click onto a cell of the property list and nothing happens. It 
> takes 3 seconds and a „slow double click“ to highlight the cell content.
> 
> Is it only me, or does anyone else have this problem? Anything that can be 
> done about it?
> 
> Using macOS 10.13.6.
> 
> Thanks,





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Re: 4D v17 Property List Issues - is this only me?

[Keisuke Miyako via 4D_Tech]

is this in project mode or binary structure mode?

the project mode property list / form editor is still in beta.

> 2019/10/02 0:44、Daniel Solenthaler via 4D_Tech <4d_tech@lists.4d.com>のメール:
>
> In 4D v17R5 I click onto a cell of the property list and nothing happens. It 
> takes 3 seconds and a „slow double click“ to highlight the cell content.




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Re: 4D v17 Property List Issues - is this only me?

[John DeSoi via 4D_Tech]

I think the fastest way to a resolution would be to verify you have the same 
problem in 17R6 beta. If it is fixed, likely nothing will be done about it in 
R5. If it is not fixed, you can file a bug report directly on the forum.

John DeSoi, Ph.D.


> On Oct 1, 2019, at 10:44 AM, Daniel Solenthaler via 4D_Tech 
> <4d_tech@lists.4d.com> wrote:
> 
> In 4D v17R5 I click onto a cell of the property list and nothing happens. It 
> takes 3 seconds and a „slow double click“ to highlight the cell content.
> 

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4D v17 Property List Issues - is this only me?

[Daniel Solenthaler via 4D_Tech]

Hi everyone,

Working in Design mode on a form, I find the following behaviour of 4D v17 a 
nuisance:

In 4D v16 I can click onto a cell of the property list and the cell content is 
immediately highlighted and modifiable.

In 4D v17R5 I click onto a cell of the property list and nothing happens. It 
takes 3 seconds and a „slow double click“ to highlight the cell content.

Is it only me, or does anyone else have this problem? Anything that can be done 
about it?

Using macOS 10.13.6.

Thanks,

Daniel
dan...@solenthaler.com

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RE: v17 Print Settings in a form's Property List

[David Ringsmuth via 4D_Tech]

David,

4Dv17R4 has:

Print Settings to Blob
Blob to Print Settings
https://doc.4d.com/4Dv17R4/4D/17-R4/Print-settings-to-BLOB.301-4055206.en.html
https://doc.4d.com/4Dv17R4/4D/17-R4/BLOB-to-print-settings.301-4055236.en.html

These combined with the name of the report being printed, the printer name, and 
the current user name, should work to make saving and restoring settings for 
repeatedly printed reports.

David Ringsmuth

From: David Rose via 4D_Tech
Sent: Wednesday, April 10, 2019 10:16 AM
To: 4d_tech@lists.4d.com
Cc: David Rose
Subject: Re: v17 Print Settings in a form's Property List

So in a 64-bit environment, how do you save paper size, orientation etc. with a 
form, so that PAGE SETUP ([MyTable];"MyForm") will load those settings?

Message: 1
Date: Wed, 10 Apr 2019 05:11:01 +
From: Keisuke Miyako 
To: 4D iNug Technical <4d_tech@lists.4d.com>
Subject: Re: v17 Print Settings in a form's Property List
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Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"

I think this is the new (64-bit) behaviour for dialType:0

https://doc.4d.com/4Dv17/4D/17.1/PRINT-SETTINGS.301-4179613.en.html

that said, the Design Reference is a bit vague on this point

https://doc.4d.com/4Dv17/4D/17.1/Printing-a-form.300-4201214.en.html

"A Print Setup dialog box appears, which lets you modify the specific print 
settings of the form: paper format, orientation, etc. The options available in 
this standard dialog box depend on your system configuration. "

2019/04/10 11:31、David Rose via 4D_Tech 
<4d_tech@lists.4d.com<mailto:4d_tech@lists.4d.com>>のメール:

I'm running v17.1 in a Windows 10 client/server environment. In the Design 
environment, when I click on the Print Settings button in a form's Property 
List, I get a Print dialog, not the usual Print Settings (Page Setup) dialog.
Is that a bug or a feature?



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Re: v17 Print Settings in a form's Property List

[Tim Nevels via 4D_Tech]

On Apr 10, 2019, at 1:20 PM, David Rose wrote:

> So in a 64-bit environment, how do you save paper size, orientation etc. with 
> a form, so that PAGE SETUP ([MyTable];"MyForm") will load those settings?

You might consider abandoning PAGE SETUP and instead use the SET PRINT OPTION 
command. It can do the same thing as PAGE SETUP, but the added bonus is that it 
is cross platform. A saved PAGE SETUP done on macOS cannot reliably be used on 
Windows. 

https://doc.4d.com/4Dv17/4D/17.1/SET-PRINT-OPTION.301-4179600.en.html

To me PAGE SETUP is the “old way” of doing the things SET PRINT OPTION does 
now. 

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Re: v17 Print Settings in a form's Property List

[Koen Van Hooreweghe via 4D_Tech]

Hi David,

Use 'Settings' from the property list. Then in the Print dialog use 
'Preferences' button. You will be able to set orientation. Button 'Advanced...' 
will give you more options (like paper size) depending on the driver.

A bit of a hassle, I agree (and that is why I'm working on mac ;-). I tested in 
32 bits setting a certain form to A5 landscape en then checked in 64 bit, the 
settings were saved.

HTH
Koen

> Op 10 apr. 2019, om 17:16 heeft David Rose via 4D_Tech <4d_tech@lists.4d.com> 
> het volgende geschreven:
> 
> So in a 64-bit environment, how do you save paper size, orientation etc. with 
> a form, so that PAGE SETUP ([MyTable];"MyForm") will load those settings?




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Re: v17 Print Settings in a form's Property List

[David Rose via 4D_Tech]

So in a 64-bit environment, how do you save paper size, orientation etc. with a 
form, so that PAGE SETUP ([MyTable];"MyForm") will load those settings?

Message: 1
Date: Wed, 10 Apr 2019 05:11:01 +
From: Keisuke Miyako 
To: 4D iNug Technical <4d_tech@lists.4d.com>
Subject: Re: v17 Print Settings in a form's Property List
Message-ID: 
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"

I think this is the new (64-bit) behaviour for dialType:0

https://doc.4d.com/4Dv17/4D/17.1/PRINT-SETTINGS.301-4179613.en.html

that said, the Design Reference is a bit vague on this point

https://doc.4d.com/4Dv17/4D/17.1/Printing-a-form.300-4201214.en.html

"A Print Setup dialog box appears, which lets you modify the specific print 
settings of the form: paper format, orientation, etc. The options available in 
this standard dialog box depend on your system configuration. "

2019/04/10 11:31、David Rose via 4D_Tech 
<4d_tech@lists.4d.com<mailto:4d_tech@lists.4d.com>>のメール:

I'm running v17.1 in a Windows 10 client/server environment. In the Design 
environment, when I click on the Print Settings button in a form's Property 
List, I get a Print dialog, not the usual Print Settings (Page Setup) dialog.
Is that a bug or a feature?



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Re: v17 Print Settings in a form's Property List

[Koen Van Hooreweghe via 4D_Tech]

Hi David,

AFAIK this is OS behavior difference between 32bit and 64bit. Just try any 
other 32bit or 64bit windows app and print. As far as those apps don't roll out 
their own print dialogs (like Word...)

HTH
Koen

> Op 10 apr. 2019, om 04:31 heeft David Rose via 4D_Tech <4d_tech@lists.4d.com> 
> het volgende geschreven:
> 
> I'm running v17.1 in a Windows 10 client/server environment. In the Design 
> environment, when I click on the Print Settings button in a form's Property 
> List, I get a Print dialog, not the usual Print Settings (Page Setup) dialog.
> Is that a bug or a feature?



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Re: v17 Print Settings in a form's Property List

[Keisuke Miyako via 4D_Tech]

I think this is the new (64-bit) behaviour for dialType:0

https://doc.4d.com/4Dv17/4D/17.1/PRINT-SETTINGS.301-4179613.en.html

that said, the Design Reference is a bit vague on this point

https://doc.4d.com/4Dv17/4D/17.1/Printing-a-form.300-4201214.en.html

"A Print Setup dialog box appears, which lets you modify the specific print 
settings of the form: paper format, orientation, etc. The options available in 
this standard dialog box depend on your system configuration. "

2019/04/10 11:31、David Rose via 4D_Tech 
<4d_tech@lists.4d.com<mailto:4d_tech@lists.4d.com>>のメール:

I'm running v17.1 in a Windows 10 client/server environment. In the Design 
environment, when I click on the Print Settings button in a form's Property 
List, I get a Print dialog, not the usual Print Settings (Page Setup) dialog.
Is that a bug or a feature?



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v17 Print Settings in a form's Property List

[David Rose via 4D_Tech]

I'm running v17.1 in a Windows 10 client/server environment. In the Design 
environment, when I click on the Print Settings button in a form's Property 
List, I get a Print dialog, not the usual Print Settings (Page Setup) dialog.
Is that a bug or a feature?

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Re: Property List

[Keisuke Miyako via 4D_Tech]

perhaps you are using TeamViewer QuickConnect

https://kb.4d.com/assetid=77767

2019/01/09 23:41、stardata.info via 4D_Tech <4d_tech@lists.4d.com>のメール:

Hi all,

I use 4D V13.4 for one my application on windows.

If i chose to see the Property list in the designer environment for one form, 
the window

of property list is fixed and I cannot change the dimensions and i cannot close 
using the cross

in the title of property list window. Does someone have suggestions?



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Property List

[stardata.info via 4D_Tech]

Hi all,

I use 4D V13.4 for one my application on windows.

If i chose to see the Property list in the designer environment for one 
form, the window


of property list is fixed and I cannot change the dimensions and i 
cannot close using the cross


in the title of property list window. Does someone have suggestions?

Thanks
Ferdinando

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Re: List Box Property list questions

[Chip Scheide via 4D_Tech]

double click - you need to do this your self.

> A couple of quick questions…
> 
> 1. Double-Click on Row - Edit Record.  Does this work with Named 
> Selection as the Data Source? I can only get it to work automatically 
> on the first row. Just curious as I can do it manually.
> 
> 2. Data Source Theme: What are the Selected Item and Selected 
> Position properties and how are they used? Cannot find any discussion 
> of these 2 properties within the docs.
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> John
> 
> 
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List Box Property list questions

[John Baughman via 4D_Tech]

A couple of quick questions…

1. Double-Click on Row - Edit Record.  Does this work with Named Selection as 
the Data Source? I can only get it to work automatically on the first row. Just 
curious as I can do it manually.

2. Data Source Theme: What are the Selected Item and Selected Position 
properties and how are they used? Cannot find any discussion of these 2 
properties within the docs.

Thanks,

John


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Re: How to show / hide all on Property List in v16?

[Kirk Brooks via 4D_Tech]

Thanks Tai.

That's really all I was trying to figure out in the first place.

On Wed, Aug 16, 2017 at 7:38 AM, Tai Bui via 4D_Tech <4d_tech@lists.4d.com>
wrote:

> Hi,
>
> Bugs reports have already been made on the expand/collapse all shortcuts.
>
> ACI0097204: [136792] Discrepancy Between Observed Behavior and Documented
> Behavior
> - Doc says that shortcut on Mac OS is Command+Click, that doesn't work but
> Control+Click seems to work. (32 bit)
>
> ACI0097205: [136790] Collapse All Shortcut not Working in 64 Bit 4D
> - The issue that you guys are describing.
>
> Best Regards,
> -Tai B.
>
>
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: 4D_Tech [mailto:4d_tech-boun...@lists.4d.com] On Behalf Of Chip
> Scheide via 4D_Tech
> Sent: Wednesday, August 16, 2017 6:55 AM
> To: 4D iNug Technical
> Cc: Chip Scheide
> Subject: Re: How to show / hide all on Property List in v16?
>
> lost functionality - **SHOULD** be a bug...
> of course that is when it is not a feature  :)
>
> On Wed, 16 Aug 2017 05:41:59 -0700, Kirk Brooks via 4D_Tech wrote:
> > A HA!
> > Now, is it bug or is it a feature?
> >
> > On Wed, Aug 16, 2017 at 4:17 AM, Wayne Stewart via 4D_Tech <
> > 4d_tech@lists.4d.com> wrote:
> >
> >> Kirk,
> >>
> >> 32 vs 64 bit.
> >>
> >> The redesigned window in 64 bit doesn't have this functionality.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Regards,
> >>
> >> Wayne
> >>
> >>
> >> [image: --]
> >> Wayne Stewart
> >> [image: http://]about.me/waynestewart <http://about.me/waynestewart>
> >>
> >>
> >> On 16 August 2017 at 20:19, bernard--- via 4D_Tech
> >> <4d_tech@lists.4d.com>
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >>> I did not know that snippet.
> >>> It works for me with V16R3 on my MacBook Pro on macOS Sierra.
> >>>
> >>>> Le 11 août 2017 à 00:34, Kirk Brooks via 4D_Tech
> >>>> <4d_tech@lists.4d.com
> >>>
> >>> a écrit :
> >>>>
> >>>> In prior versions when working with a form and the Property List is
> >>>> displayed I could show/hide all panes on the list by holding the
> >> Control
> >>>> (not the Command) key and clicking on one of the pane triangles.
> >>>> This doesn't work for me in v16.
> >>>>
> >>>> I've tried on two different Macs, one running Sierra and the other
> >>>> Yosemite. And I've tried every combination of modifiers I can think
> of.
> >>>>
> >>>> I believe I asked about this before. Is there some option I may
> >>>> have
> >>> either
> >>>> set or unset to cause this? Really annoying.
> >>>>
> >>>> Thanks
> >>>>
> >>>> --
> >>>> Kirk Brooks
> >>>> San Francisco, CA
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RE: How to show / hide all on Property List in v16?

[Tai Bui via 4D_Tech]

Hi,

Bugs reports have already been made on the expand/collapse all shortcuts.

ACI0097204: [136792] Discrepancy Between Observed Behavior and Documented 
Behavior
- Doc says that shortcut on Mac OS is Command+Click, that doesn't work but 
Control+Click seems to work. (32 bit)

ACI0097205: [136790] Collapse All Shortcut not Working in 64 Bit 4D
- The issue that you guys are describing.

Best Regards,
-Tai B.




-Original Message-
From: 4D_Tech [mailto:4d_tech-boun...@lists.4d.com] On Behalf Of Chip Scheide 
via 4D_Tech
Sent: Wednesday, August 16, 2017 6:55 AM
To: 4D iNug Technical
Cc: Chip Scheide
Subject: Re: How to show / hide all on Property List in v16?

lost functionality - **SHOULD** be a bug...
of course that is when it is not a feature  :)

On Wed, 16 Aug 2017 05:41:59 -0700, Kirk Brooks via 4D_Tech wrote:
> A HA!
> Now, is it bug or is it a feature?
>
> On Wed, Aug 16, 2017 at 4:17 AM, Wayne Stewart via 4D_Tech <
> 4d_tech@lists.4d.com> wrote:
>
>> Kirk,
>>
>> 32 vs 64 bit.
>>
>> The redesigned window in 64 bit doesn't have this functionality.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> Wayne
>>
>>
>> [image: --]
>> Wayne Stewart
>> [image: http://]about.me/waynestewart <http://about.me/waynestewart>
>>
>>
>> On 16 August 2017 at 20:19, bernard--- via 4D_Tech
>> <4d_tech@lists.4d.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I did not know that snippet.
>>> It works for me with V16R3 on my MacBook Pro on macOS Sierra.
>>>
>>>> Le 11 août 2017 à 00:34, Kirk Brooks via 4D_Tech
>>>> <4d_tech@lists.4d.com
>>>
>>> a écrit :
>>>>
>>>> In prior versions when working with a form and the Property List is
>>>> displayed I could show/hide all panes on the list by holding the
>> Control
>>>> (not the Command) key and clicking on one of the pane triangles.
>>>> This doesn't work for me in v16.
>>>>
>>>> I've tried on two different Macs, one running Sierra and the other
>>>> Yosemite. And I've tried every combination of modifiers I can think of.
>>>>
>>>> I believe I asked about this before. Is there some option I may
>>>> have
>>> either
>>>> set or unset to cause this? Really annoying.
>>>>
>>>> Thanks
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Kirk Brooks
>>>> San Francisco, CA
>>>> ===
>>>>
>>>> *The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men
>>>> to do
>>>> nothing.*
>>>>
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Re: How to show / hide all on Property List in v16?

[Chip Scheide via 4D_Tech]

lost functionality - **SHOULD** be a bug...
of course that is when it is not a feature  :)

On Wed, 16 Aug 2017 05:41:59 -0700, Kirk Brooks via 4D_Tech wrote:
> A HA!
> Now, is it bug or is it a feature?
> 
> On Wed, Aug 16, 2017 at 4:17 AM, Wayne Stewart via 4D_Tech <
> 4d_tech@lists.4d.com> wrote:
> 
>> Kirk,
>> 
>> 32 vs 64 bit.
>> 
>> The redesigned window in 64 bit doesn't have this functionality.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Regards,
>> 
>> Wayne
>> 
>> 
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>> 
>> On 16 August 2017 at 20:19, bernard--- via 4D_Tech <4d_tech@lists.4d.com>
>> wrote:
>> 
>>> I did not know that snippet.
>>> It works for me with V16R3 on my MacBook Pro on macOS Sierra.
>>> 
>>>> Le 11 août 2017 à 00:34, Kirk Brooks via 4D_Tech <4d_tech@lists.4d.com
>>> 
>>> a écrit :
>>>> 
>>>> In prior versions when working with a form and the Property List is
>>>> displayed I could show/hide all panes on the list by holding the
>> Control
>>>> (not the Command) key and clicking on one of the pane triangles. This
>>>> doesn't work for me in v16.
>>>> 
>>>> I've tried on two different Macs, one running Sierra and the other
>>>> Yosemite. And I've tried every combination of modifiers I can think of.
>>>> 
>>>> I believe I asked about this before. Is there some option I may have
>>> either
>>>> set or unset to cause this? Really annoying.
>>>> 
>>>> Thanks
>>>> 
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Re: How to show / hide all on Property List in v16?

[Kirk Brooks via 4D_Tech]

A HA!
Now, is it bug or is it a feature?

On Wed, Aug 16, 2017 at 4:17 AM, Wayne Stewart via 4D_Tech <
4d_tech@lists.4d.com> wrote:

> Kirk,
>
> 32 vs 64 bit.
>
> The redesigned window in 64 bit doesn't have this functionality.
>
>
>
>
> Regards,
>
> Wayne
>
>
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> On 16 August 2017 at 20:19, bernard--- via 4D_Tech <4d_tech@lists.4d.com>
> wrote:
>
> > I did not know that snippet.
> > It works for me with V16R3 on my MacBook Pro on macOS Sierra.
> >
> > > Le 11 août 2017 à 00:34, Kirk Brooks via 4D_Tech <4d_tech@lists.4d.com
> >
> > a écrit :
> > >
> > > In prior versions when working with a form and the Property List is
> > > displayed I could show/hide all panes on the list by holding the
> Control
> > > (not the Command) key and clicking on one of the pane triangles. This
> > > doesn't work for me in v16.
> > >
> > > I've tried on two different Macs, one running Sierra and the other
> > > Yosemite. And I've tried every combination of modifiers I can think of.
> > >
> > > I believe I asked about this before. Is there some option I may have
> > either
> > > set or unset to cause this? Really annoying.
> > >
> > > Thanks
> > >
> > > --
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> > > San Francisco, CA
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Re: How to show / hide all on Property List in v16?

[Wayne Stewart via 4D_Tech]

Kirk,

32 vs 64 bit.

The redesigned window in 64 bit doesn't have this functionality.




Regards,

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On 16 August 2017 at 20:19, bernard--- via 4D_Tech <4d_tech@lists.4d.com>
wrote:

> I did not know that snippet.
> It works for me with V16R3 on my MacBook Pro on macOS Sierra.
>
> > Le 11 août 2017 à 00:34, Kirk Brooks via 4D_Tech <4d_tech@lists.4d.com>
> a écrit :
> >
> > In prior versions when working with a form and the Property List is
> > displayed I could show/hide all panes on the list by holding the Control
> > (not the Command) key and clicking on one of the pane triangles. This
> > doesn't work for me in v16.
> >
> > I've tried on two different Macs, one running Sierra and the other
> > Yosemite. And I've tried every combination of modifiers I can think of.
> >
> > I believe I asked about this before. Is there some option I may have
> either
> > set or unset to cause this? Really annoying.
> >
> > Thanks
> >
> > --
> > Kirk Brooks
> > San Francisco, CA
> > ===
> >
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> > nothing.*
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Re: How to show / hide all on Property List in v16?

[bernard--- via 4D_Tech]

I did not know that snippet.
It works for me with V16R3 on my MacBook Pro on macOS Sierra.

> Le 11 août 2017 à 00:34, Kirk Brooks via 4D_Tech <4d_tech@lists.4d.com> a 
> écrit :
> 
> In prior versions when working with a form and the Property List is
> displayed I could show/hide all panes on the list by holding the Control
> (not the Command) key and clicking on one of the pane triangles. This
> doesn't work for me in v16.
> 
> I've tried on two different Macs, one running Sierra and the other
> Yosemite. And I've tried every combination of modifiers I can think of.
> 
> I believe I asked about this before. Is there some option I may have either
> set or unset to cause this? Really annoying.
> 
> Thanks
> 
> -- 
> Kirk Brooks
> San Francisco, CA
> ===
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> nothing.*
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Re: How to show / hide all on Property List in v16?

[Ingo Wolf via 4D_Tech]

I use 4D 16.1 on MacOS 10.11.6 and collectively open/close all panes of the the 
property list of the form editor works when I press  while clicking on 
the triangle.

HTH
Ingo Wolf


>Um - does this mean no one else is seeing this behavior?
>
>Any thoughts about why it is happening on my machines?
>
>On Thu, Aug 10, 2017 at 3:34 PM, Kirk Brooks  wrote:
>
>> In prior versions when working with a form and the Property List is
>> displayed I could show/hide all panes on the list by holding the Control
>> (not the Command) key and clicking on one of the pane triangles. This
>> doesn't work for me in v16.
>>
>> I've tried on two different Macs, one running Sierra and the other
>> Yosemite. And I've tried every combination of modifiers I can think of.
>>
>> I believe I asked about this before. Is there some option I may have
>> either set or unset to cause this? Really annoying.
>>
>> Thanks
>>
>> --
>> Kirk Brooks
>> San Francisco, CA


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Re: How to show / hide all on Property List in v16?

[Lee Hinde via 4D_Tech]

I never collapse/expand the sections…

> On Aug 14, 2017, at 2:04 PM, Kirk Brooks via 4D_Tech <4d_tech@lists.4d.com> 
> wrote:
> 
> Um - does this mean no one else is seeing this behavior?

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Re: How to show / hide all on Property List in v16?

[Kirk Brooks via 4D_Tech]

Well that explains why no one else seems to miss it...

I find it really handy to tighten the list when working with objects and
such.

On Mon, Aug 14, 2017 at 2:08 PM, Jody Bevan via 4D_Tech <
4d_tech@lists.4d.com> wrote:

> I didn’t know about this shortcut either. Never tried it before - or now.
>
> > On Aug 14, 2017, at 3:06 PM, Jeffrey Kain via 4D_Tech <
> 4d_tech@lists.4d.com> wrote:
> >
> > Never knew about this shortcut...
> >
> > --
> > Jeffrey Kain
> > jeffrey.k...@gmail.com
> >
> > On Aug 14, 2017, at 5:04 PM, Kirk Brooks via 4D_Tech <
> 4d_tech@lists.4d.com> wrote:
> >>
> >>> In prior versions when working with a form and the Property List is
> >>> displayed I could show/hide all panes on the list by holding the
> Control
> >>> (not the Command) key and clicking on one of the pane triangles. This
> >>> doesn't work for me in v16.
> >
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Re: How to show / hide all on Property List in v16?

[Jody Bevan via 4D_Tech]

I didn’t know about this shortcut either. Never tried it before - or now.

> On Aug 14, 2017, at 3:06 PM, Jeffrey Kain via 4D_Tech <4d_tech@lists.4d.com> 
> wrote:
> 
> Never knew about this shortcut...
> 
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> 
> On Aug 14, 2017, at 5:04 PM, Kirk Brooks via 4D_Tech <4d_tech@lists.4d.com> 
> wrote:
>> 
>>> In prior versions when working with a form and the Property List is
>>> displayed I could show/hide all panes on the list by holding the Control
>>> (not the Command) key and clicking on one of the pane triangles. This
>>> doesn't work for me in v16.
> 

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Re: How to show / hide all on Property List in v16?

[Jeffrey Kain via 4D_Tech]

Never knew about this shortcut...

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On Aug 14, 2017, at 5:04 PM, Kirk Brooks via 4D_Tech <4d_tech@lists.4d.com> 
wrote:
> 
>> In prior versions when working with a form and the Property List is
>> displayed I could show/hide all panes on the list by holding the Control
>> (not the Command) key and clicking on one of the pane triangles. This
>> doesn't work for me in v16.

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Re: How to show / hide all on Property List in v16?

[Kirk Brooks via 4D_Tech]

Um - does this mean no one else is seeing this behavior?

Any thoughts about why it is happening on my machines?

On Thu, Aug 10, 2017 at 3:34 PM, Kirk Brooks  wrote:

> In prior versions when working with a form and the Property List is
> displayed I could show/hide all panes on the list by holding the Control
> (not the Command) key and clicking on one of the pane triangles. This
> doesn't work for me in v16.
>
> I've tried on two different Macs, one running Sierra and the other
> Yosemite. And I've tried every combination of modifiers I can think of.
>
> I believe I asked about this before. Is there some option I may have
> either set or unset to cause this? Really annoying.
>
> Thanks
>
> --
> Kirk Brooks
> San Francisco, CA
> ===
>
> *The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do
> nothing.*
>
> *- Edmund Burke*
>
>


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How to show / hide all on Property List in v16?

[Kirk Brooks via 4D_Tech]

In prior versions when working with a form and the Property List is
displayed I could show/hide all panes on the list by holding the Control
(not the Command) key and clicking on one of the pane triangles. This
doesn't work for me in v16.

I've tried on two different Macs, one running Sierra and the other
Yosemite. And I've tried every combination of modifiers I can think of.

I believe I asked about this before. Is there some option I may have either
set or unset to cause this? Really annoying.

Thanks

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Property list in 4D 16.1HF2 looks old

[Piotr Chabot Stadhouders via 4D_Tech]

Hi,

Windows 10, 4D v16.1 hotfix 2
I noticed that the property list looks "old", i.e. with sunken checkboxes
The look and feel looks like something from years ago
Does anybody know what could be the reason of this?
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Re: "Placeholder" in property list

[Arnaud de Montard via 4D_Tech]

> Le 22 avr. 2017 à 15:37, Jeffrey Kain via 4D_Tech <4d_tech@lists.4d.com> a 
> écrit :
> 
> Has anyone noticed that in 15.4 (HF2... maybe others) there's a new property 
> for fields and variables called 'Placeholder' that automatically fills an 
> empty field with descriptive text in a light gray font color, which 
> disappears when you type or the variable receives a value?
> 
> It's been awhile since I read the v15 documentation but I was surprised to 
> see it there!

Yes I knew, not because I read the doc but it was shown at last summit. 

There's something's missing in 4D documentation: history. When working with 
many versions, it takes a disproportionate time to find when a feature was 
added to a command or to get the changes in naming… I'd like the doc to "Join 
the R-release revolution" too. 

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"Placeholder" in property list

[Keith Goebel via 4D_Tech]

> On 23/04/2017, at 5:03 am, Jeffrey Kain wrote:
> Has anyone noticed that in 15.4 (HF2... maybe others) there's a new property 
> for fields and variables called 'Placeholder' that automatically fills an 
> empty field with descriptive text in a light gray font color,…

They’re a great addition to the UI tools. 
I use them in 4D v15.2 and the users like them a lot!
(still using that version as Print Preview causes 4D to freeze in v15.4 - but 
it seems I am the only developer it happens to)
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Re: "Placeholder" in property list

[Cannon Smith via 4D_Tech]

Yep, it's a very welcome feature. And you can set it programmatically! :-)

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> On Apr 22, 2017, at 7:37 AM, Jeffrey Kain via 4D_Tech <4d_tech@lists.4d.com> 
> wrote:
> 
> Has anyone noticed that in 15.4 (HF2... maybe others) there's a new property 
> for fields and variables called 'Placeholder' that automatically fills an 
> empty field with descriptive text in a light gray font color, which 
> disappears when you type or the variable receives a value?

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Re: "Placeholder" in property list

[Keith Culotta via 4D_Tech]

That new feature has been a help with clutter.  I was unable to use it a 
numeric field until the field's format was set to something where the zero 
value was hidden, like ";-;".  When the field does not have the focus, 
the placeholder appears.

Keith - CDI

> On Apr 22, 2017, at 8:37 AM, Jeffrey Kain via 4D_Tech <4d_tech@lists.4d.com> 
> wrote:
> 
> Has anyone noticed that in 15.4 (HF2... maybe others) there's a new property 
> for fields and variables called 'Placeholder' that automatically fills an 
> empty field with descriptive text in a light gray font color, which 
> disappears when you type or the variable receives a value?
> 
> It's been awhile since I read the v15 documentation but I was surprised to 
> see it there!
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"Placeholder" in property list

[Jeffrey Kain via 4D_Tech]

Has anyone noticed that in 15.4 (HF2... maybe others) there's a new property 
for fields and variables called 'Placeholder' that automatically fills an empty 
field with descriptive text in a light gray font color, which disappears when 
you type or the variable receives a value?

It's been awhile since I read the v15 documentation but I was surprised to see 
it there!
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Re: How to collapse/expand all panes in Property List (v16)

[Kirk Brooks via 4D_Tech]

Keith,
Bear in mind I'm only talking about the Properties List that's available in
development mode. I haven't seen anything on the end-use side involving
this. So it's probably not too big a deal. I think if it were more folks
would have seen it and said something.

On Wed, Mar 29, 2017 at 11:35 AM, Keith Goebel via 4D_Tech <
4d_tech@lists.4d.com> wrote:

> If this disparity between 32 bit 4D and 64 bit 4D exists for other than
> the developer interface stuff, !hat’s quite scary thought!
>
> With testing done in standalone and deployed on server = server could have
> bugs not there in test version.
> That also means 2 complete sets of testing is required - one for
> standalone and one for client/server.
> That’s a *big* extra burden.
> We are still in v15.2 so it doesn’t apply, but what are you v16 users
> doing for testing deployment versions?
>
>
> > On 30/03/2017, at 4:28 am, 4d_tech-requ...@lists.4d.com wrote:
> >
> > rom: Kirk Brooks mailto:lists.k...@gmail.com>>
> > Subject: Re: How to collapse/expand all panes in Property List (v16)
> > Date: 29 March 2017 5:59:23 pm NZDT
> > To: 4D iNug Technical <4d_tech@lists.4d.com <mailto:4d_tech@lists.4d.com
> >>
> >
> >
> > Hi folks,
> > It looks like this is a legitimate bug and has been logged by 4D.
> >
> > On Sun, Mar 26, 2017 at 6:02 PM, Kirk Brooks  <mailto:lists.k...@gmail.com>> wrote:
> >
> >> Hi folks,
> >>
> >> In v16 it seems I the ability to collapse all panes in the Property List
> >> (when editing a form) is removed. Since at least v13 you could control
> >> click on a pane arrow to collapse/expand all. Now that doesn't work - at
> >> least on a Mac.
> >>
> >> Is this a bug or a feature?
> >
>
>
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Re: How to collapse/expand all panes in Property List (v16)

[Keith Goebel via 4D_Tech]

If this disparity between 32 bit 4D and 64 bit 4D exists for other than the 
developer interface stuff, !hat’s quite scary thought!

With testing done in standalone and deployed on server = server could have bugs 
not there in test version.
That also means 2 complete sets of testing is required - one for standalone and 
one for client/server.
That’s a *big* extra burden.
We are still in v15.2 so it doesn’t apply, but what are you v16 users doing for 
testing deployment versions?


> On 30/03/2017, at 4:28 am, 4d_tech-requ...@lists.4d.com wrote:
> 
> rom: Kirk Brooks mailto:lists.k...@gmail.com>>
> Subject: Re: How to collapse/expand all panes in Property List (v16)
> Date: 29 March 2017 5:59:23 pm NZDT
> To: 4D iNug Technical <4d_tech@lists.4d.com <mailto:4d_tech@lists.4d.com>>
> 
> 
> Hi folks,
> It looks like this is a legitimate bug and has been logged by 4D.
> 
> On Sun, Mar 26, 2017 at 6:02 PM, Kirk Brooks  <mailto:lists.k...@gmail.com>> wrote:
> 
>> Hi folks,
>> 
>> In v16 it seems I the ability to collapse all panes in the Property List
>> (when editing a form) is removed. Since at least v13 you could control
>> click on a pane arrow to collapse/expand all. Now that doesn't work - at
>> least on a Mac.
>> 
>> Is this a bug or a feature?
> 


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Re: How to collapse/expand all panes in Property List (v16)

[Kirk Brooks via 4D_Tech]

Hi folks,
It looks like this is a legitimate bug and has been logged by 4D.

On Sun, Mar 26, 2017 at 6:02 PM, Kirk Brooks  wrote:

> Hi folks,
>
> In v16 it seems I the ability to collapse all panes in the Property List
> (when editing a form) is removed. Since at least v13 you could control
> click on a pane arrow to collapse/expand all. Now that doesn't work - at
> least on a Mac.
>
> Is this a bug or a feature?
>
> --
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> San Francisco, CA
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Re: How to collapse/expand all panes in Property List (v16)

[Kirk Brooks via 4D_Tech]

Hey Wayne,
That might well be it - you're right I'm using the 64 bit vers. I'll put in
a bug report.

On Mon, Mar 27, 2017 at 8:58 PM, Wayne Stewart via 4D_Tech <
4d_tech@lists.4d.com> wrote:

> At a guess 64 bits is behaving differently than 32 bits.
>
> My guess is Kirk is using 64bit.
>
> Might be a good feature request.
>

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Re: How to collapse/expand all panes in Property List (v16)

[Wayne Stewart via 4D_Tech]

Hi,

At a guess 64 bits is behaving differently than 32 bits.

My guess is Kirk is using 64bit.

Might be a good feature request.

I'm only on my phone so can't check but I reckon that's it.

Cheers?

Wayne


On Mon, 27 Mar 2017 at 12:42, Jeremy French via 4D_Tech <
4d_tech@lists.4d.com> wrote:

> In v16, control-click works for me to expand/collapse all Property List
> themes.
>
> What happens if you quit and restart 4D?
>
> > On Mar 26, 2017, at 9:02 PM, Kirk Brooks via 4D_Tech <
> 4d_tech@lists.4d.com> wrote:
> >
> > In v16 it seems I the ability to collapse all panes in the Property List
> > (when editing a form) is removed. Since at least v13 you could control
> > click on a pane arrow to collapse/expand all. Now that doesn't work - at
> > least on a Mac.
>
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Re: How to collapse/expand all panes in Property List (v16)

[Jeremy French via 4D_Tech]

In v16, control-click works for me to expand/collapse all Property List themes.

What happens if you quit and restart 4D?

> On Mar 26, 2017, at 9:02 PM, Kirk Brooks via 4D_Tech <4d_tech@lists.4d.com> 
> wrote:
> 
> In v16 it seems I the ability to collapse all panes in the Property List
> (when editing a form) is removed. Since at least v13 you could control
> click on a pane arrow to collapse/expand all. Now that doesn't work - at
> least on a Mac.

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How to collapse/expand all panes in Property List (v16)

[Kirk Brooks via 4D_Tech]

Hi folks,

In v16 it seems I the ability to collapse all panes in the Property List
(when editing a form) is removed. Since at least v13 you could control
click on a pane arrow to collapse/expand all. Now that doesn't work - at
least on a Mac.

Is this a bug or a feature?

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San Francisco, CA
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