Re: Sharepoint vs 4D
We have used SharePoint for Questionnaires/Surveys. While it certainly works for that, it's not the best tool we could have chosen. We used it cause it was available, and because someone over here was just back from a weeklong course and was currently at the top of the Hype curve with it. One major downside is being able to move projects through the Dev/Test/Production cycle. We typically have three databases that we cycle through during the process (Dev/Test/Production). In SharePoint, you will NOT be able to do this. Moving work from one to another, all the links break. Also, at times, the global updates pushed down by IT break users settings etc. SharePoint is basically a FileSharing platform that works best if you want to collaborate with others and share a centralized repository Excel, Word, Powerpoint, PDF files, etc. Though it can be tweaked to do all sorts of stuff it wasn¹t really intended to do, it is by no means a database. Of course, if your systems main objective is to manage a collection of files as mentioned above (Excel, Word, Powerpoint, PDF files), you may have a tough sell with 4D. Just my 2 cents -- John Crissey, Contractor Systex, Inc CRIMSON Program Manager National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases BG 5601FL RM 4C19 5601 FISHERS LN ROCKVILLE MD 20852 240-669-5239 jcris...@niaid.nih.gov On 10/14/16, 7:27 AM, "David Samson" wrote: >Hello Robert, > >I found this which appears to be fair comparison. > >https://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/ff647105.aspx > >David > > >> I have client that wants to rewrite an old 4D database from scratch. At >> least one member on the board is pushing for us to consider Sharepoint >>or >> another non-4D approach. I know very little about SP. I'm told it's >>like a >> glorified excel spreadsheet Any particular points I should keep in >>mind >> as I defend 4D? >> >> Thanks, >> >> Robert >> >> >-- >D Samson >** >4D Internet Users Group (4D iNUG) >FAQ: http://lists.4d.com/faqnug.html >Archive: http://lists.4d.com/archives.html >Options: http://lists.4d.com/mailman/options/4d_tech >Unsub: mailto:4d_tech-unsubscr...@lists.4d.com >** ** 4D Internet Users Group (4D iNUG) FAQ: http://lists.4d.com/faqnug.html Archive: http://lists.4d.com/archives.html Options: http://lists.4d.com/mailman/options/4d_tech Unsub: mailto:4d_tech-unsubscr...@lists.4d.com **
Re: Sharepoint vs 4D...
Thanks Bob, Balinder, David & Alam… I appreciate your input and thanks to you all, I think I’ll be well prepared. Robert > On Oct 14, 2016, at 1:45 AM, Balinder Walia wrote: > > SharePoint is Document Management System which can be linked with MS Office > Apps. It has it's own storage and I think it using SQL. It high > configurable but still SharePoint is not a tool for writing Business > Database Applications on it's own. ** 4D Internet Users Group (4D iNUG) FAQ: http://lists.4d.com/faqnug.html Archive: http://lists.4d.com/archives.html Options: http://lists.4d.com/mailman/options/4d_tech Unsub: mailto:4d_tech-unsubscr...@lists.4d.com **
Re: Sharepoint vs 4D...
Robert, Sharepoint is a Microsoft product that provides document storage and collaboration using a web-bsed "template". It integrates closely with MS Office, so its strength is document management and storage. One can choose one of many templates, such as a simple library or a sophisticated workflow to collect signatures in an approval cycle. It is almost impossible for me to compare with 4D, as there is little commonality; while it is possible to create some "logic" in Sharepoint, it is really only for workflow. Also, there is not really a concept of a data element in Sharepoint, as the basic unit is a document. Having said that, you can collect document metadata, such as approval levels, revision level, etc., but it is not a development environment in the sense of 4D. You can add on to Sharepoint using javascript and you can make a SOAP call, but I've never done this. I think of Sharepoint as a sophisticated file cabinet, while 4D is more like a set of legos with a database back end. Hard to compare things that are so completely different. Unless the 4D database the client is talking about is document-centric, there's little you could do in Sharepoint to mimic 4D functionality. But of course that depends on the application. There's tons of stuff on the web about Sharepoint, start with Wikipedia. Good luck - sounds like the customer is a little daft and needs some guidance -- Bob Miller Chomerics, a division of Parker Hannifin Corporation ** 4D Internet Users Group (4D iNUG) FAQ: http://lists.4d.com/faqnug.html Archive: http://lists.4d.com/archives.html Options: http://lists.4d.com/mailman/options/4d_tech Unsub: mailto:4d_tech-unsubscr...@lists.4d.com **
Re: Sharepoint vs 4D
Hello Robert, I found this which appears to be fair comparison. https://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/ff647105.aspx David > I have client that wants to rewrite an old 4D database from scratch. At > least one member on the board is pushing for us to consider Sharepoint or > another non-4D approach. I know very little about SP. I'm told it's like a > glorified excel spreadsheet Any particular points I should keep in mind > as I defend 4D? > > Thanks, > > Robert > > -- D Samson ** 4D Internet Users Group (4D iNUG) FAQ: http://lists.4d.com/faqnug.html Archive: http://lists.4d.com/archives.html Options: http://lists.4d.com/mailman/options/4d_tech Unsub: mailto:4d_tech-unsubscr...@lists.4d.com **
Re: Sharepoint vs 4D...
Robert, SharePoint is Document Management System which can be linked with MS Office Apps. It has it's own storage and I think it using SQL. It high configurable but still SharePoint is not a tool for writing Business Database Applications on it's own. Be upfront and tell them that many have tried this kind of approach before and end up spending a lot companies money and get no where or half way through. Also it depends on what DB does if it can be redone it SP or not. First question is find out why they want move to SP? What do they not like about 4D? Perhaps if you can purpose to solve that problem itself they might consider it. If they still want to let them try and waste money and come back to you in few years time. Balinder On 14 October 2016 at 02:19, Robert ListMail wrote: > I have client that wants to rewrite an old 4D database from scratch. At > least one member on the board is pushing for us to consider Sharepoint or > another non-4D approach. I know very little about SP. I'm told it's like a > glorified excel spreadsheet Any particular points I should keep in mind > as I defend 4D? > > Thanks, > > Robert > ** > 4D Internet Users Group (4D iNUG) > FAQ: http://lists.4d.com/faqnug.html > Archive: http://lists.4d.com/archives.html > Options: http://lists.4d.com/mailman/options/4d_tech > Unsub: mailto:4d_tech-unsubscr...@lists.4d.com > ** ** 4D Internet Users Group (4D iNUG) FAQ: http://lists.4d.com/faqnug.html Archive: http://lists.4d.com/archives.html Options: http://lists.4d.com/mailman/options/4d_tech Unsub: mailto:4d_tech-unsubscr...@lists.4d.com **