Re: [6lo] Benjamin Kaduk's Discuss on draft-ietf-6lo-fragment-recovery-13: (with DISCUSS and COMMENT)

2020-03-18 Thread Pascal Thubert (pthubert)
Hello Benjamin: Again and again, many thanks, it's really a pleasure to work on your reviews. My plan is a single publication for all 3 emails. I'm merging the 2 mails on the same thread and removing all the items for which we reached an agreement, I hope that helps. Let's see  > I guess

[6lo] Shipping RPL Unaware Leaves

2020-03-11 Thread Pascal Thubert (pthubert)
Dear all : As you may know, draft-ietf-roll-unaware-leaves is blocking the whole cluster C130 https://www.rfc-editor.org/cluster_info.php?cid=C310 and we want to ship it now (WG milestone: Mar 2020 - Initial submission). The issue we have with it is the fact that we allow encapsulate the ARO

Re: [6lo] [Roll] Unaware-leaves - ND-Status and RPL-Status linkage

2020-03-10 Thread Pascal Thubert (pthubert)
to know the difference Pascal From: Rahul Jadhav Sent: mardi 10 mars 2020 15:58 To: Pascal Thubert (pthubert) ; Routing Over Low power and Lossy networks Cc: 6lo@ietf.org Subject: Re: [Roll] Unaware-leaves - ND-Status and RPL-Status linkage Please find my comment [RJ] inline

Re: [6lo] [Roll] Unaware-leaves - ND-Status and RPL-Status linkage

2020-03-10 Thread Pascal Thubert (pthubert)
True, we could. Note that we might understand the "A" bit differently. For me the flag means that the definition of the value is inherited from a 6lo spec, it does not mean that in runtime the status was imported from a 6lo message. Now if the node moves to a different root that is attached to

Re: [6lo] [Roll] Unaware-leaves - ND-Status and RPL-Status linkage

2020-03-10 Thread Pascal Thubert (pthubert)
Hello Rahul Sorry I was deep into the IESG review of other draft in C310. Let’s see below From: Roll On Behalf Of Rahul Jadhav Sent: mardi 25 février 2020 06:03 To: Routing Over Low power and Lossy networks Subject: Re: [Roll] Unaware-leaves - ND-Status and RPL-Status linkage I would like to

Re: [6lo] Mirja Kühlewind's Discuss on draft-ietf-6lo-fragment-recovery-13: (with DISCUSS and COMMENT)

2020-03-09 Thread Pascal Thubert (pthubert)
Hello Mirja: Again many thanks for your very deep review. I published -14 to propose some changes that address your DISCUSS comments as well as Benjamin's Please see https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=draft-ietf-6lo-fragment-recovery-14 . Then I published

Re: [6lo] Benjamin Kaduk's Discuss on draft-ietf-6lo-fragment-recovery-13: (with DISCUSS and COMMENT)

2020-03-09 Thread Pascal Thubert (pthubert)
Hello Again Benjamin, Continuing with the COMMENT piece of your really appreciated deep review below: And as usual please find the diffs, and since this impacts both drafts we get: https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=draft-ietf-6lo-minimal-fragment-14

Re: [6lo] Magnus Westerlund's No Objection on draft-ietf-6lo-fragment-recovery-12: (with COMMENT)

2020-03-09 Thread Pascal Thubert (pthubert)
Hello Magnus: Many thanks for your review! Let's see below: > -- > COMMENT: > -- > > I am uncertain if there is security risk that is poorly noted. I don't

Re: [6lo] Mirja Kühlewind's Discuss on draft-ietf-6lo-fragment-recovery-13: (with DISCUSS and COMMENT)

2020-03-06 Thread Pascal Thubert (pthubert)
Hello Mirja A great many thanks for your really deep review, this is both really appreciated and incredibly useful. If that's OK with you let's make a round to clear the DISCUSSes separately like I did for Benjamin's review. Also considering the breadth of the discuss alone, I'd rather

Re: [6lo] Éric Vyncke's No Objection on draft-ietf-6lo-fragment-recovery-13: (with COMMENT)

2020-03-06 Thread Pascal Thubert (pthubert)
Hello Eric: Many thanks for your review! Please find the proposed changes discussed below in https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=draft-ietf-6lo-fragment-recovery-14 that I just published Let's see below, and please let me know if the proposed changes work: > > >

Re: [6lo] Warren Kumari's Discuss on draft-ietf-6lo-fragment-recovery-13: (with DISCUSS and COMMENT)

2020-03-06 Thread Pascal Thubert (pthubert)
Hello Warren Many thanks for your review! Please find the proposed changes discussed below in https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=draft-ietf-6lo-fragment-recovery-14 Let's see below: > -- > DISCUSS: >

Re: [6lo] Benjamin Kaduk's Discuss on draft-ietf-6lo-fragment-recovery-13: (with DISCUSS and COMMENT)

2020-03-05 Thread Pascal Thubert (pthubert)
Hello again Benjamin You really made those drafts I'm editing a lot better by your keen reviews and this is another incredible one. Many thanks!!! Let's go with the Discuss to start with? > -- > DISCUSS: >

Re: [6lo] Barry Leiba's No Objection on draft-ietf-6lo-minimal-fragment-12: (with COMMENT)

2020-03-05 Thread Pascal Thubert (pthubert)
Then we're cool, since Murray's comment collided with one from Ben that I addressed in -13. Many thanks to you and Murray! Pascal > -Original Message- > From: Barry Leiba > Sent: jeudi 5 mars 2020 18:29 > To: Pascal Thubert (pthubert) > Cc: The IESG ; draft-ietf-6l

Re: [6lo] Éric Vyncke's No Objection on draft-ietf-6lo-minimal-fragment-12: (with COMMENT)

2020-03-05 Thread Pascal Thubert (pthubert)
Hello Eric: Many thanks for your review and time : ) You and Ben has similar concerns and I published 13 to try to address both. I compiled the proposed changes in an early publication https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=draft-ietf-6lo-minimal-fragment-13 Let's see below for the details: >

Re: [6lo] Benjamin Kaduk's Discuss on draft-ietf-6lo-minimal-fragment-12: (with DISCUSS and COMMENT)

2020-03-05 Thread Pascal Thubert (pthubert)
Dear Benjamin Many thanks for your review this time again! As usual I compiled the proposed changes in an early publication https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=draft-ietf-6lo-minimal-fragment-13 Let's see below for the other COMMENTs: > >

Re: [6lo] Barry Leiba's No Objection on draft-ietf-6lo-minimal-fragment-12: (with COMMENT)

2020-03-05 Thread Pascal Thubert (pthubert)
Hello Barry It seems that this is the review you made on version 10. I scanned and could not make a difference. I attached the emails for reference. I believe that the issues are solved for the most part in https://tools.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=draft-ietf-6lo-minimal-fragment-11.txt Could it be

Re: [6lo] Éric Vyncke's No Objection on draft-ietf-6lo-minimal-fragment-12: (with COMMENT)

2020-03-05 Thread Pascal Thubert (pthubert)
Hello Eric and Ben: > > == COMMENTS == > > > > Is there a reason why this document uses "Link-Layer address" while > > the companion, draft-ietf-6lo-fragment-recovery, uses "MAC address" ? > > This is cosmetic of course but if the concept is the same, using the > > same wording could only improve

Re: [6lo] Benjamin Kaduk's Discuss on draft-ietf-6lo-minimal-fragment-12: (with DISCUSS and COMMENT)

2020-03-04 Thread Pascal Thubert (pthubert)
Dear Benjamin Many thanks for your review this time again! I answered the track question separately (with you and Mirja), this is a conscious discussion that was debated with Suresh in Singapore, we decided for STD track and made the changes accordingly. Let's address the DISCUSS first, more

Re: [6lo] Mirja Kühlewind's No Objection on draft-ietf-6lo-minimal-fragment-12: (with COMMENT)

2020-03-04 Thread Pascal Thubert (pthubert)
hnique. Also please find below the message that triggered the change: " All the best Pascal -Original Message- From: Carles Gomez Montenegro Sent: mardi 26 novembre 2019 18:41 To: Pascal Thubert (pthubert) Cc: 6lo-cha...@ietf.org Subject: Re: minimal fragments Dear Pascal

Re: [6lo] Mirja Kühlewind's No Objection on draft-ietf-6lo-minimal-fragment-12: (with COMMENT)

2020-03-04 Thread Pascal Thubert (pthubert)
Dear Mirja (and Ben), Many thanks for reviewing this document! > -- > COMMENT: > -- > > I agree with one of Ben's comments in that I'm not certain about the

Re: [6lo] Roman Danyliw's Discuss on draft-ietf-6lo-backbone-router-16: (with DISCUSS)

2020-03-03 Thread Pascal Thubert (pthubert)
Dear Roman and Benjamin Many thanks for your reviews! I took the liberty to merge your comments on section 11 in a single thread, since they have commonalities. Also, I'll try to answer the questions with my own words as they come, and then propose a global change to section 11 at the end of

Re: [6lo] Barry Leiba's No Objection on draft-ietf-6lo-backbone-router-16: (with COMMENT)

2020-03-03 Thread Pascal Thubert (pthubert)
Many thanks Barry! The next phase is to help us generalize the proactive ND to classical networks (6MAN). Are you with us? Take care, Pascal > -Original Message- > From: Barry Leiba via Datatracker > Sent: mardi 18 février 2020 21:25 > To: The IESG > Cc:

Re: [6lo] Benjamin Kaduk's Discuss on draft-ietf-6lo-backbone-router-16: (with DISCUSS and COMMENT)

2020-03-02 Thread Pascal Thubert (pthubert)
Hello Benjamin Again and again, many thanks for your arch-fantastic reviews! Continuing: > > -- > COMMENT: > -- > > In Section 3 we talk about the Binding

Re: [6lo] Benjamin Kaduk's Discuss on draft-ietf-6lo-backbone-router-16: (with DISCUSS and COMMENT)

2020-03-02 Thread Pascal Thubert (pthubert)
Hello Benjamin: > Sorry to make you interrupt your holiday! Had to go back to hard unwork. But back now : ) > > > > > > -- > > > DISCUSS: > > > > > > -- >

Re: [6lo] Benjamin Kaduk's Discuss on draft-ietf-6lo-backbone-router-16: (with DISCUSS and COMMENT)

2020-02-20 Thread Pascal Thubert (pthubert)
Hello Benjamin Again many thanks for your arch-fantastic reviews! Let me handle the DISCUSS first and then I'll come back to you asap for the rest. I published 17 since the proposed change had me take a global look at the proposed change vs. original ND. Please see

Re: [6lo] Roman Danyliw's No Objection on draft-ietf-6lo-fragment-recovery-12: (with COMMENT)

2020-02-18 Thread Pascal Thubert (pthubert)
Many thanks for your review, Roman! Let's see below > > > -- > COMMENT: > -- > > Thank you for this easy to read document. > > ** Section 5.1. Per “There

Re: [6lo] Genart telechat review of draft-ietf-6lo-fragment-recovery-12

2020-02-18 Thread Pascal Thubert (pthubert)
Many thanks for your review Peter! I applied all your typo fix suggestions that are not discussed below. > Page 14, 3rd paragraph, 1st sentence: change “a same” to one of “any”, “any > single”, or something similar. These suggestions are based on the assumption > that fragments from disparate

Re: [6lo] Roman Danyliw's No Objection on draft-ietf-6lo-minimal-fragment-12: (with COMMENT)

2020-02-17 Thread Pascal Thubert (pthubert)
Many thanks for reviewing this doc Roman! We debated with Barry and concluded that the references you mentioned should stay non normative. One is abandoned and the other would be a downref. Is it ok to stick with this? Pascal > Le 17 févr. 2020 à 00:18, Roman Danyliw via Datatracker a >

Re: [6lo] Tsvart last call review of draft-ietf-6lo-fragment-recovery-11

2020-02-11 Thread Pascal Thubert (pthubert)
Hello Colin Many thanks for your review! I published -12 to make it easier for you to review the changes I'm suggesting based on your review, The delta is visible here: https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=draft-ietf-6lo-fragment-recovery-12 Let's see below for the discussion: > The document

Re: [6lo] Feedback on proposed changes to draft-ietf-6lo-deadline-time-05

2020-02-10 Thread Pascal Thubert (pthubert)
Looks good, Schwetha. From: 6lo <6lo-boun...@ietf.org> On Behalf Of Shwetha Bhandari (shwethab) Sent: samedi 8 février 2020 01:09 To: 6lo@ietf.org Cc: Carles Gomez Montenegro ; Suresh Krishnan Subject: [6lo] Feedback on proposed changes to draft-ietf-6lo-deadline-time-05 Hello All, This is to

Re: [6lo] Tsvart last call review of draft-ietf-6lo-backbone-router-13

2020-02-08 Thread Pascal Thubert (pthubert)
(pthubert) Cc: tsv-...@ietf.org; last-c...@ietf.org; draft-ietf-6lo-backbone-router@ietf.org; 6lo@ietf.org Subject: Re: Tsvart last call review of draft-ietf-6lo-backbone-router-13 Let's try this again. On Fri, Feb 7, 2020 at 5:48 AM Pascal Thubert (pthubert) mailto:pthub...@cisco.com>>

Re: [6lo] Genart last call review of draft-ietf-6lo-backbone-router-14

2020-02-07 Thread Pascal Thubert (pthubert)
Samsung tablet. Original message From: "Pascal Thubert (pthubert)" Date: 07/02/2020 13:36 (GMT+00:00) To: Elwyn Davies , gen-...@ietf.org Cc: last-c...@ietf.org, draft-ietf-6lo-backbone-router@ietf.org, 6lo@ietf.org Subject: RE: Genart last call review of draft-ietf-6l

Re: [6lo] Barry Leiba's No Objection on draft-ietf-6lo-minimal-fragment-10: (with COMMENT)

2020-02-07 Thread Pascal Thubert (pthubert)
Hello Barry: > > >>This specification uses the following terms: > >> > >> I would say it “defines” these terms, no? > > > > Not really, they appear in RFC 4944, but ok > > OK, no... I hadn't realized (and didn't check) that they were defined in 4944. > Sorry; leave as is. Will roll back

Re: [6lo] Barry Leiba's No Objection on draft-ietf-6lo-minimal-fragment-10: (with COMMENT)

2020-02-07 Thread Pascal Thubert (pthubert)
Hello Barry: Many thanks for your review! I published a new version with the outcome of this first pass, so you can easily check the changes in https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=draft-ietf-6lo-minimal-fragment-11 Please find the discussion below: >

Re: [6lo] Genart last call review of draft-ietf-6lo-backbone-router-14

2020-02-07 Thread Pascal Thubert (pthubert)
Hello Elwyn: Many thanks for your review! Let's see below: > General: s/i.e. /i.e., / (4 places), s/e.g. /e.g.,/ (2 places) Done > > Abbreviations: The definition of abbreviations in this document is > inconistent. > There is a list of abbreviations but it is not complete; many

Re: [6lo] Tsvart last call review of draft-ietf-6lo-backbone-router-13

2020-02-07 Thread Pascal Thubert (pthubert)
Hello Kyle Many thanks for your review! Let's see below: > I see no specifically transport-related issues in this draft, but I note a > few nits > as well as unaddressed issues raised by RFC 4903. > > Potential issues: The draft addresses ND, DAD, and to some extent link-scoped > multicast

Re: [6lo] Benjamin Kaduk's Discuss on draft-ietf-6lo-ap-nd-15: (with DISCUSS and COMMENT)

2020-02-06 Thread Pascal Thubert (pthubert)
Oh it’s the JWK encoding, right? Would we speed things up if we just imported the IANA section from the LWIG draft? Regards, Pascal > Le 6 févr. 2020 à 19:09, Pascal Thubert (pthubert) a > écrit : > > Hello Benjamin > > >> "backward compatibility with"

Re: [6lo] Benjamin Kaduk's Discuss on draft-ietf-6lo-ap-nd-15: (with DISCUSS and COMMENT)

2020-02-06 Thread Pascal Thubert (pthubert)
n! Pascal > -Original Message- > From: 6lo <6lo-boun...@ietf.org> On Behalf Of Benjamin Kaduk > Sent: jeudi 6 février 2020 18:31 > To: Pascal Thubert (pthubert) > Cc: draft-ietf-6lo-ap...@ietf.org; 6lo-cha...@ietf.org; The IESG > ; Shwetha Bhandari (shwethab) ; > 6lo@i

Re: [6lo] Benjamin Kaduk's Discuss on draft-ietf-6lo-ap-nd-15: (with DISCUSS and COMMENT)

2020-02-06 Thread Pascal Thubert (pthubert)
Hello Benjamin > "backward compatibility with" is easy to misparse, so maybe add a comma, or > go with "backward compatibility but adds the capability"? > > We're getting there. I snipped the places were we appear to have converged. > > > > Please let me know if the DISCUSS is now solved (we

Re: [6lo] Iotdir last call review of draft-ietf-6lo-backbone-router-13

2020-02-06 Thread Pascal Thubert (pthubert)
Hello Dominique: Many thanks for your great review! Considering its width and breadth, I published -14 for that review alone. Diffs available here: https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=draft-ietf-6lo-backbone-router-14 Continuing from 3.4 > 3.4 > “Addresses in a LLN … must be

Re: [6lo] Alissa Cooper's No Objection on draft-ietf-6lo-ap-nd-17: (with COMMENT)

2020-02-06 Thread Pascal Thubert (pthubert)
> > See also the discussion with IANA and Benjamin. The idea is that if someone > wants to add a curve or a hash function, but following the method in this > draft. > Do we really need an RFC or is the IANA registry the reference? The idea is > that > the IESG should be able to determine that

Re: [6lo] Benjamin Kaduk's Discuss on draft-ietf-6lo-ap-nd-15: (with DISCUSS and COMMENT)

2020-02-06 Thread Pascal Thubert (pthubert)
Maybe like this? Regards, Pascal > Le 6 févr. 2020 à 10:48, Pascal Thubert (pthubert) a > écrit : > > Hello Benjamin > > We're getting there. I snipped the places were we appear to have converged. > > Please let me know if the DISCUSS is now solved (

Re: [6lo] Benjamin Kaduk's Discuss on draft-ietf-6lo-ap-nd-15: (with DISCUSS and COMMENT)

2020-02-06 Thread Pascal Thubert (pthubert)
: > -Original Message- > From: Benjamin Kaduk > Sent: mercredi 5 février 2020 22:20 > To: Pascal Thubert (pthubert) > Cc: The IESG ; draft-ietf-6lo-ap...@ietf.org; Shwetha > Bhandari > (shwethab) ; 6lo-cha...@ietf.org; 6lo@ietf.org > Subject: Re: Benjamin Kaduk

Re: [6lo] Roman Danyliw's No Objection on draft-ietf-6lo-ap-nd-18: (with COMMENT)

2020-02-06 Thread Pascal Thubert (pthubert)
Hello Roman: Many thanks for your review! I'm publishing -19 to cover the proposed changes, in association with some more nits from the discussion with Benjamin The diffs here may help you through your validation: https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=draft-ietf-6lo-ap-nd-19 For the

Re: [6lo] Benjamin Kaduk's Discuss on draft-ietf-6lo-ap-nd-15: (with DISCUSS and COMMENT)

2020-02-06 Thread Pascal Thubert (pthubert)
: > -Original Message- > From: Benjamin Kaduk > Sent: mercredi 5 février 2020 22:20 > To: Pascal Thubert (pthubert) > Cc: The IESG ; draft-ietf-6lo-ap...@ietf.org; Shwetha Bhandari > (shwethab) ; 6lo-cha...@ietf.org; 6lo@ietf.org > Subject: Re: Benjamin Kaduk's Discuss

Re: [6lo] Benjamin Kaduk's Discuss on draft-ietf-6lo-ap-nd-15: (with DISCUSS and COMMENT)

2020-02-05 Thread Pascal Thubert (pthubert)
Hello again Benjamin: About your discuss below we published -18 that has text from Rene that removes the uncertainty on compression. Please have a look at https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=draft-ietf-6lo-ap-nd-18 and let us know if the diffs correct the issue properly. Many thanks again

Re: [6lo] Alissa Cooper's No Objection on draft-ietf-6lo-ap-nd-17: (with COMMENT)

2020-02-05 Thread Pascal Thubert (pthubert)
Hello Alissa Many thanks for your review ! I committed the proposed changes as -18 so you can review them in the final version, but we can certainly adapt and do more, see https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=draft-ietf-6lo-ap-nd-18 . Note that the commit also adds text to answer a DISCUSS by

Re: [6lo] Benjamin Kaduk's Discuss on draft-ietf-6lo-ap-nd-15: (with DISCUSS and COMMENT)

2020-02-04 Thread Pascal Thubert (pthubert)
This was truncated when I received the echo, retrying... > -Original Message- > From: Pascal Thubert (pthubert) > Sent: mardi 4 février 2020 15:14 > To: Benjamin Kaduk > Cc: The IESG ; draft-ietf-6lo-ap...@ietf.org; Shwetha > Bhandari (shwethab) ; 6lo-cha...@ietf.o

Re: [6lo] Benjamin Kaduk's Discuss on draft-ietf-6lo-ap-nd-15: (with DISCUSS and COMMENT)

2020-02-03 Thread Pascal Thubert (pthubert)
Dear Benjamin Many thanks for your in depth review! Considering the amount of changes I published 16 just to make a statement of the current exchange. https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=draft-ietf-6lo-ap-nd-16 Hopefully this should make you validation of the proposed changes easier. Please

[6lo] SEC-DIR review of AP-ND: following the cryptographic chain

2020-02-03 Thread Pascal Thubert (pthubert)
Dear all During SEC-DIR review, Benjamin pointed out: > I worry a little bit that we haven't fully specified the entire list of steps > the 6LR > takes to follow the cryptographic chain and validate that the 6LN holds the > key > in question and registers the address in question to the

[6lo] SEC-DIR review of AP-ND: : JWK-encoding

2020-02-03 Thread Pascal Thubert (pthubert)
Dear all During SEC-DIR review, Benjamin pointed out: > > [just to check: JWK-encoding means that we have an injective map and aren't > subject to some sort of extension attack? Not that such a thing would be easy > to pull off, with a strict registry of Crypto-Types, of course] Any idea

Re: [6lo] Éric Vyncke's Discuss on draft-ietf-6lo-ap-nd-13: (with DISCUSS and COMMENT)

2020-02-03 Thread Pascal Thubert (pthubert)
Hello Benjamin > > CC'ing SEC-DIR: Please help: if there is a reference for that practice, > > what it > > takes to maintain a nonce, and why we have a nonce from both sides? Trying > > to reinvent that text does not look like a good idea for this draft. > > It's pretty standard, so I'm not

Re: [6lo] Opsdir last call review of draft-ietf-6lo-minimal-fragment-09

2020-02-01 Thread Pascal Thubert (pthubert)
Hello Sarah: Many thanks for your review : ) > -Original Message- > From: Sarah Banks via Datatracker > Sent: vendredi 31 janvier 2020 17:40 > To: ops-...@ietf.org > Cc: draft-ietf-6lo-minimal-fragment@ietf.org; last-c...@ietf.org; > 6lo@ietf.org > Subject: Opsdir last call review

Re: [6lo] Mirja Kühlewind's No Objection on draft-ietf-6lo-ap-nd-14: (with COMMENT)

2020-01-31 Thread Pascal Thubert (pthubert)
lewind (IETF) > Sent: vendredi 31 janvier 2020 16:49 > To: Pascal Thubert (pthubert) > Cc: draft-ietf-6lo-ap...@ietf.org; 6lo-cha...@ietf.org; The IESG > ; Shwetha Bhandari (shwethab) ; > 6lo@ietf.org > Subject: Re: [6lo] Mirja Kühlewind's No Objection on draft-ietf-6lo-ap-nd-14: &

Re: [6lo] Mirja Kühlewind's No Objection on draft-ietf-6lo-ap-nd-14: (with COMMENT)

2020-01-31 Thread Pascal Thubert (pthubert)
Hello Mirja: Many thanks for your review : ) > -- > COMMENT: > -- > > A couple of small comments: > > 1) Sec 2.2: If actually all terms from all the RFC

Re: [6lo] Éric Vyncke's Discuss on draft-ietf-6lo-ap-nd-13: (with DISCUSS and COMMENT)

2020-01-31 Thread Pascal Thubert (pthubert)
vyncke) > Sent: mercredi 29 janvier 2020 16:47 > To: Pascal Thubert (pthubert) ; The IESG > > Cc: draft-ietf-6lo-ap...@ietf.org; Shwetha Bhandari (shwethab) > ; 6lo-cha...@ietf.org; 6lo@ietf.org; sec...@ietf.org > Subject: Re: Éric Vyncke's Discuss on draft-ietf-6lo-ap-nd-13: (wi

Re: [6lo] Genart last call review of draft-ietf-6lo-minimal-fragment-08

2020-01-31 Thread Pascal Thubert (pthubert)
Hello Francesca: Many thanks for your review : ) > Summary: This draft is basically ready for publication. However, I noticed the > normative reference to an informative document, draft-ietf-lwig-6lowpan- > virtual-reassembly (ref. 'LWIG-VRB'), which is problematic, since this draft > is > on

Re: [6lo] Tsvart last call review of draft-ietf-6lo-minimal-fragment-07

2020-01-30 Thread Pascal Thubert (pthubert)
Many thanks Joerg! Please see below: > Generally, the document is in good state and almost ready to publish. A few > nits, one on protocol state management below: > > Nits: > > The text uses both "6lo fragments" and "6LoWPAN fragments". Changed to 6LoWPAN fragments everywhere > > Section

Re: [6lo] Opsdir last call review of draft-ietf-6lo-ap-nd-12

2020-01-06 Thread Pascal Thubert (pthubert)
All good then! Again, many thanks. Pascal > -Original Message- > From: MORTON, ALFRED C (AL) > Sent: lundi 6 janvier 2020 14:45 > To: Pascal Thubert (pthubert) ; ops-...@ietf.org > Cc: last-c...@ietf.org; draft-ietf-6lo-ap-nd@ietf.org; 6lo@ietf.org > Subject: RE

Re: [6lo] Opsdir last call review of draft-ietf-6lo-ap-nd-12

2020-01-06 Thread Pascal Thubert (pthubert)
Hello Al Many thanks for your review! Please see below: > This is the OPS-DIR review of -12 > 1) "This specification introduces a new token called a cryptographic >identifier (Crypto-ID) that is used to prove indirectly the ownership >of an address that is being registered by means of

Re: [6lo] Secdir last call review of draft-ietf-6lo-ap-nd-12

2020-01-06 Thread Pascal Thubert (pthubert)
Hello Adam Many thanks for your review  Please see below: > 1. In the first exchange with a 6LR: "When a 6LR receives a NS(EARO) > registration with a new Crypto-ID as a ROVR, it SHOULD challenge by > responding with a NA(EARO) with a status of "Validation Requested"". Under > what

Re: [6lo] Genart last call review of draft-ietf-6lo-ap-nd-12

2020-01-06 Thread Pascal Thubert (pthubert)
Hello Vijay Good point. I suggest to add text in the intro that defines the acronym. The proposed modified sentence is; " In particular, 6LoWPAN ND introduces a unicast host Address Registration mechanism that reduces the use of multicast compared to the Duplicate Address Detection (DAD)

Re: [6lo] Iotdir last call review of draft-ietf-6lo-fragment-recovery-07

2019-11-28 Thread Pascal Thubert (pthubert)
Hello Erik Many thanks for your in-depth review! Let's see below: > Section 4.3 seems to silently assume that all fragments of a datagram go > through the same intermediate hops. This should at a minimum be made > explicit. This is in fact inherited from the parent

Re: [6lo] Intdir last call review of draft-ietf-6lo-minimal-fragment-04

2019-11-13 Thread Pascal Thubert (pthubert)
-Layer address of the fragment, the forwarding node MUST assign a new datagram_tag from its own namespace for the next hop and rewrite the fragment header of each fragment with that datagram_tag. “ Works? Pascal From: Dave Thaler Sent: jeudi 14 novembre 2019 03:33 To: Pascal Thubert (pthuber

Re: [6lo] Intdir last call review of draft-ietf-6lo-minimal-fragment-04

2019-11-12 Thread Pascal Thubert (pthubert)
Hello Dave Le 13 nov. 2019 à 09:02, Dave Thaler a écrit :  Pascal wrote: […] of the destination. Upon a first fragment, a node creates a state and forwards the fragment. I’d recommend “a node *attempts to* create state and forward the fragment”, since either of those could potentially

Re: [6lo] Intdir last call review of draft-ietf-6lo-minimal-fragment-04

2019-11-12 Thread Pascal Thubert (pthubert)
Hello Dave Continued below Le 13 nov. 2019 à 04:28, Dave Thaler a écrit :  From: Pascal Thubert (pthubert) Sent: Friday, November 8, 2019 5:25 AM To: Dave Thaler Cc: int-...@ietf.org; draft-ietf-6lo-minimal-fragment@ietf.org; 6lo@ietf.org Subject: RE: Intdir last call review of draft

Re: [6lo] Intdir last call review of draft-ietf-6lo-minimal-fragment-04

2019-11-08 Thread Pascal Thubert (pthubert)
fragments. I guess we need a better introduction on ff and a section before 3 that discusses the concepts of FF that the LWIG implements. I need to work on that before coming back to you. Regards, Pascal Le 8 nov. 2019 à 08:50, Pascal Thubert (pthubert) a écrit :  Hello Dave More below Pascal

Re: [6lo] Intdir last call review of draft-ietf-6lo-minimal-fragment-04

2019-11-07 Thread Pascal Thubert (pthubert)
Hello Dave Please see in-line Le 7 nov. 2019 à 22:22, Dave Thaler a écrit :  Responses inline below. Pascal Thubert (pthubert) wrote: > The title implies the document specifies a forwarding mechanism, but > it does not, it merely provides discussion of two mechanisms in other >

Re: [6lo] Intdir last call review of draft-ietf-6lo-minimal-fragment-04

2019-11-07 Thread Pascal Thubert (pthubert)
Hello Dave Many thanks for being so reactive  Please see below > -Original Message- > From: Dave Thaler via Datatracker > Sent: jeudi 7 novembre 2019 00:10 > To: int-...@ietf.org > Cc: draft-ietf-6lo-minimal-fragment@ietf.org; last-c...@ietf.org; > 6lo@ietf.org > Subject: Intdir

Re: [6lo] RIOT implementation for Selective Fragment Recovery

2019-11-06 Thread Pascal Thubert (pthubert)
Fantastic Martine. Please note that you do not need to send the message in error back in full. Only up to the offset where the error is detected. Since the control is in the first fragment there is no point reassembling in the middle of the network. The hard question that we discuss in the

Re: [6lo] draft-ietf-6lo-fragment-recovery: What to do if hop limit is reached

2019-11-06 Thread Pascal Thubert (pthubert)
did you already loose track of the compressed packet? I thought you’d keep it to forward it because most times there’s no need to change the iphc piece. Regards, Pascal Le 6 nov. 2019 à 18:42, Martine Lenders a écrit :  Hi Pascal, Am Mi., 6. Nov. 2019 um 18:16 Uhr schrieb Pascal Thubert

Re: [6lo] draft-ietf-6lo-fragment-recovery: Send a FULL bitmap when datagram is complete?

2019-10-23 Thread Pascal Thubert (pthubert)
and the receiver should abort the flow. That “too much” decision is left to implementation. Regards, Pascal Le 23 oct. 2019 à 14:29, Martine Lenders a écrit :  Hi Pascal, Am Mo., 21. Okt. 2019 um 18:14 Uhr schrieb Pascal Thubert (pthubert) mailto:pthub...@cisco.com>>: Hello Again I reread th

Re: [6lo] draft-ietf-6lo-fragment-recovery: Send a FULL bitmap when datagram is complete?

2019-10-23 Thread Pascal Thubert (pthubert)
Cool : ) I published 07, please see the diffs. All the best; Pascal From: 6lo <6lo-boun...@ietf.org> On Behalf Of Martine Lenders Sent: mercredi 23 octobre 2019 14:46 To: Pascal Thubert (pthubert) Cc: 6lo@ietf.org Subject: Re: [6lo] draft-ietf-6lo-fragment-recovery: Send a FULL bitma

Re: [6lo] draft-ietf-6lo-fragment-recovery: Send a FULL bitmap when datagram is complete?

2019-10-21 Thread Pascal Thubert (pthubert)
Sorry I missed that Martine! The ALL 1s was already sent when the last fragment was received. This text happens later. It is supposed to have been processed along the way back. The receiving end node maintains a state for a “short” time after the message processing to absorb packets that may

[6lo] review of https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-6lo-use-cases-07

2019-10-08 Thread Pascal Thubert (pthubert)
Dear authors: Please find some comments below. < some IEEE 802.15.4 link " Please reword to "IEEE Std 802.15.4" and include a reference. You may use IEEE Std. 802.15.4, Part. 15.4: Wireless Medium Access Control (MAC) and Physical Layer (PHY)

Re: [6lo] Review of [draft-ietf-6lo-backbone-router-11 - IPv6 Backbone Router]

2019-10-01 Thread Pascal Thubert (pthubert)
Many thanks Tim! Regards, Pascal Le 1 oct. 2019 à 17:19, Timothy Winters a écrit :  Hi Pascal, Sorry for the delay in responding. I think the text you added was exactly what I was thinking and resolves all my comments. ~Tim On Fri, Sep 20, 2019 at 9:41 AM Pascal Thubert (pthubert

Re: [6lo] I-D Action: draft-ietf-6lo-backbone-router-13.txt

2019-09-27 Thread Pascal Thubert (pthubert)
septembre 2019 02:42 To: Pascal Thubert (pthubert) ; Timothy Winters ; Eric Levy- Abegnoli (elevyabe) ; 'Charles E. Perkins (charles.perk...@earthlink.net)' ; 6lo-cha...@ietf.org Cc: '6lo@ietf.org' <6lo@ietf.org> Subject: Re: [6lo] I-D Action: draft-ietf-6lo-backbone-router-13.txt Many thanks

[6lo] FW: I-D Action: draft-ietf-6lo-backbone-router-13.txt

2019-09-26 Thread Pascal Thubert (pthubert)
Dear all: This addresses the review by Tim * Many thanks Tim! * Mostly: I clarified that the ND proxy does the MLD work by referring to section 7.2.1. of [RFC4861] where it is all described. Dear chairs: I guess we can now go for publication. Hoping 13 is not a bad number ; ) Take care

Re: [6lo] Review of [draft-ietf-6lo-backbone-router-11 - IPv6 Backbone Router]

2019-09-20 Thread Pascal Thubert (pthubert)
Hello Tim: (adding int-ads) > I've reviewed this document and overall I think it's a good shape. I have a > couple of nits and comments that I've included below. (Note I reviewed -12). > - I have a question about Backbone side and multicast snooping. If there > is a switch running

Re: [6lo] New Version Notification for draft-thubert-6man-unicast-lookup-00.txt

2019-07-29 Thread Pascal Thubert (pthubert)
age- > From: internet-dra...@ietf.org > Sent: lundi 29 juillet 2019 12:20 > To: Pascal Thubert (pthubert) ; Eric Levy- Abegnoli > (elevyabe) > Subject: New Version Notification for draft-thubert-6man-unicast-lookup- > 00.txt > > > A new version of I-D, draft-thubert-6man-un

Re: [6lo] Side meeting on two IPv6-related ideas

2019-07-21 Thread Pascal Thubert (pthubert)
Hello Brian You may like RFC 6282, RFC 8138 or SCHC from LPWAN  Regards, Pascal > Le 21 juil. 2019 à 16:44, Brian E Carpenter a > écrit : > > Hi, > > On Wednesday July 24 morning, from 08:30 to 09:45, in room Notre Dame, > we'll introduce and discuss two new drafts: > > Asymmetric IPv6,

Re: [6lo] Shepherd review of draft-ietf-6lo-minimal-fragment-02

2019-07-19 Thread Pascal Thubert (pthubert)
Hello Carles Manu thanks for you review! Please see below > > - "LLN" is used in the title and in the abstract, but the actual body of the > document uses the term "6LoWPAN" (or "6Lo"), which in fact is more specific. > Should "LLN" be replaced with "6LoWPAN" (or "6Lo")? (I tend to think

Re: [6lo] Shepherd writeup: IPR on draft-ietf-6lo-minimal-fragment-02

2019-07-17 Thread Pascal Thubert (pthubert)
Hello Carles No, I'm not aware of any IPR that applies to this any version of draft-ietf-6lo-minimal-fragment-02 All the best, Pascal > -Original Message- > From: 6lo <6lo-boun...@ietf.org> On Behalf Of Carles Gomez Montenegro > Sent: mercredi 17 juillet 2019 08:33 > To:

Re: [6lo] Advocating a generalization of RFC8505 to non-6lo LANs

2019-07-08 Thread Pascal Thubert (pthubert)
Hello Carsten: The 6LR, or 6LBR, are logical functions. A L3-switch is a box that has its differences with a router. All the best, Pascal > -Original Message- > From: Carsten Bormann > Sent: lundi 8 juillet 2019 14:51 > To: Pascal Thubert (pthubert) > Cc: Mark

Re: [6lo] Advocating a generalization of RFC8505 to non-6lo LANs

2019-07-04 Thread Pascal Thubert (pthubert)
the best, Pascal From: Mark Smith Sent: jeudi 4 juillet 2019 14:39 To: Pascal Thubert (pthubert) Cc: Carsten Bormann ; Michael Richardson ; V6 Ops List ; 6man <6...@ietf.org>; 6lo@ietf.org Subject: Re: [6lo] Advocating a generalization of RFC8505 to non-6lo LANs On Thu., 4 Jul. 2019, 21:38

Re: [6lo] Advocating a generalization of RFC8505 to non-6lo LANs

2019-07-04 Thread Pascal Thubert (pthubert)
--Original Message- > From: Carsten Bormann > Sent: jeudi 4 juillet 2019 13:22 > To: Pascal Thubert (pthubert) > Cc: Michael Richardson ; 6lo@ietf.org; V6 Ops List > ; 6man <6...@ietf.org> > Subject: Re: [6lo] Advocating a generalisation of RFC8505 to non-6lo LANs > >

Re: [6lo] ND cache entries creation on first-hop routers

2019-07-03 Thread Pascal Thubert (pthubert)
n E Carpenter a > écrit : > > On 03-Jul-19 20:13, Pascal Thubert (pthubert) wrote: > > ... >> I'm baffled that the reactive ND is still the official technique for IPv6 >> lookup at 6MAN. > > How can it be otherwise when a node can give itself a new address at

Re: [6lo] ND cache entries creation on first-hop routers

2019-07-03 Thread Pascal Thubert (pthubert)
Hello Michael Please see below > > Pascal Thubert (pthubert) wrote: >> 6LoWPAN ND is immune to the remote DOS attacks on the ND cache, the >> ones coming from the outside of the subnet, i.e., from a place that is >> out of touch and virtually nowhere. > >&g

Re: [6lo] ND cache entries creation on first-hop routers

2019-07-03 Thread Pascal Thubert (pthubert)
Hello Jen The routers that Michael is talking about are real routers, deployed in large volumes in the field, e.g., in Smartgrid networks. They are not running ND as RFC 4861/4862 but as RFC 6775/8505, and then operate RPL routing within the ML subnet. It would be great to have a section that

Re: [6lo] IETF 105 - Call for agenda items

2019-06-24 Thread Pascal Thubert (pthubert)
Hello Shwetha: I’d like to solicit presentation opportunities in 6Lo at IETF 105. Presenter name: Pascal Thubert Presenter in-room/Remote : in-room Draft name Time needed Purpose of the

Re: [6lo] WG Last Call: draft-ietf-6lo-minimal-fragment-01

2019-06-24 Thread Pascal Thubert (pthubert)
Hello Carles: 02 was published with the comments listed below addressed. All the best, Pascal > -Original Message- > From: 6lo <6lo-boun...@ietf.org> On Behalf Of Carles Gomez Montenegro > Sent: mercredi 15 mai 2019 09:35 > To: 6lo@ietf.org > Subject: Re: [6lo] WG Last Call:

Re: [6lo] WG Last Call: draft-ietf-6lo-minimal-fragment-01

2019-06-24 Thread Pascal Thubert (pthubert)
Hello Dominique: Many thanks for your review! Please see below: > Section 1, Overview: > "Each fragment can be uniquely identified by the source and destination link- > layer addresses of the frame that carries it, and the datagram_tag." > It seems to me that "datagram_offset" should also be

Re: [6lo] draft-ietf-6lo-minimal-fragment-00: When to remove VRB entries?

2019-06-21 Thread Pascal Thubert (pthubert)
Hello Yatch; In the security section is changed the text to: " An attacker can perform a Denial-of-Service (DoS) attack on a node implementing VRB by generating a large number of bogus "fragment 1" fragments without sending subsequent fragments. This causes the VRB table to fill up. Note that

Re: [6lo] WG Last Call: draft-ietf-6lo-minimal-fragment-01

2019-06-21 Thread Pascal Thubert (pthubert)
Hello Georgios Many thanks for your review, please see below: >In Figure 1, a packet forwarded by node A to node B is cut into nine >fragments, numbered 1 to 9. Each fragment is represented by the '#' >symbol. Node A has sent fragments 1, 2, 3, 5, 6 to node B. Node B >has

Re: [6lo] WG Last Call: draft-ietf-6lo-minimal-fragment-01

2019-06-21 Thread Pascal Thubert (pthubert)
Hello Yatch This dates a bit but I think none of us answered so let me take a look: > > (1) https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-6lo-minimal-fragment-01#section-2.2 > > Assuming 1 kB reassembly > >buffers, typical nodes only have enough memory

Re: [6lo] Review of draft-ietf-6lo-fragment-recovery-03

2019-06-11 Thread Pascal Thubert (pthubert)
Many Thanks Carles! Please see below > -- Review -- > > - Page 2: "in all cases" can be removed > done > - Page 2: "a firmware upgrades" -> perhaps remove "a" (or apply other >changes) > done

Re: [6lo] [SPF:fail] RE: uncompressed form

2019-05-23 Thread Pascal Thubert (pthubert)
Great! Point is you need to provide the format of the uncompressed form so the root can uncompress and forward. All the best, Pascal From: 6lo <6lo-boun...@ietf.org> On Behalf Of Lijo Thomas Sent: jeudi 23 mai 2019 15:16 To: Pascal Thubert (pthubert) Cc: draft-ietf-6lo-deadline-t...@ie

Re: [6lo] uncompressed form

2019-05-23 Thread Pascal Thubert (pthubert)
Baryun Sent: jeudi 23 mai 2019 13:31 To: Pascal Thubert (pthubert) Cc: draft-ietf-6lo-deadline-t...@ietf.org; 6lo@ietf.org Subject: Re: [6lo] uncompressed form On Thu, May 23, 2019 at 7:54 AM Pascal Thubert (pthubert) mailto:pthub...@cisco.com>> wrote: Dear all: I was rereading de

[6lo] uncompressed form

2019-05-22 Thread Pascal Thubert (pthubert)
Dear all: I was rereading deadline and realized that the draft does not provide an umcompressed form. What of the packet flies beyond the RPL domain? I think the information should be useful there too. Also we always claimed that RFC8138 is an encoding and that we can always turn a packet to

Re: [6lo] recoverable fragments: should we allow the receiver to send asynchronous acks

2019-05-21 Thread Pascal Thubert (pthubert)
Hello Michael > Pascal Thubert (pthubert) wrote: > > During the review by Laurent, a question came up on whether the receiver > > could asynchronously send RFRAG Acks e.g., to transport an ECN > > indication. > > So would the ACKs be out of order, ackn

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