Re: [9fans] 9PI kernel stability

2015-02-10 Thread Dante
thanks, i understand On 10.02.2015 15:00, erik quanstrom wrote: On Tue Feb 10 00:22:32 PST 2015, subscripti...@posteo.eu wrote: Wrong, there's no drawterm on the monitor connected over HDMI :-). perhaps the missing bit here is that drawterm shares almost all its code with the plan 9 kernel

Re: [9fans] 9PI kernel stability

2015-02-10 Thread Dante
Wrong, there's no drawterm on the monitor connected over HDMI :-). On 09.02.2015 23:41, Lyndon Nerenberg wrote: On Feb 9, 2015, at 1:48 AM, Richard Miller 9f...@hamnavoe.com wrote: 1. Text windows sometimes get black garbage on the background that refuses to go, even if text is scrolled

Re: [9fans] 9PI kernel stability

2015-02-09 Thread Dante
the origin of the error... Thanks! Dante On 09.02.2015 16:52, Richard Miller wrote: 2. When writing large files to an USB memory stick FAT file system (say, a large TAR archive), the mount is lost, leading to a truncated file. Try putting the memory stick on a powered usb hub and see

[9fans] 9PI kernel stability

2015-02-09 Thread Dante
), the mount is lost, leading to a truncated file. Any idea how I could start debugging this? /dev/kmesg is not verbose enough to get anything out of it. Thanks! Dante

Re: [9fans] 9PI kernel stability

2015-02-09 Thread Dante
On 09.02.2015 10:48, Richard Miller wrote: 1. Text windows sometimes get black garbage on the background that refuses to go, even if text is scrolled over it. The size of the garbage is about 1 character, and looks like an island. That is, neither meaningful symbol, nor random pattern.

Re: [9fans] Raspberry Pi 2 Model B

2015-02-07 Thread Dante
Thanks a lot, Richard! That's awesome!!! Kind Regards, Dante On 06.02.2015 19:13, Richard Miller wrote: To return to the original subject ... /n/sources/contrib/miller/9pi2 is a Plan 9 kernel which runs on the Raspberry Pi 2 (one core only, so far). I'll put updated source in contrib/miller

Re: [9fans] running plan9 : an ideal setup?

2014-11-28 Thread Dante
Could it be that snapshots induce the same type of wear and tear on the SD as atime? --Dante On 28.11.2014 07:54, David du Colombier wrote: fossil has no option to disable atime, but kfs does. The Fossil open command takes the option -a to disable atime. -- David du Colombier

Re: [9fans] running plan9 : an ideal setup?

2014-11-28 Thread Dante
Expert Pro that comes with a limited lifetime warranty (at least in Sweden). They are fast, up to 95 mb/s, and very reliable according to my experience. 2014-11-28 9:42 GMT+01:00, Dante subscripti...@posteo.eu: Could it be that snapshots induce the same type of wear and tear on the SD as atime

Re: [9fans] running plan9 : an ideal setup?

2014-11-28 Thread Dante
Check, my SD's fossil also had an -a: fsys main open -aAV Thanks, I forgot how I configured it. But now what did it happen? We have a Plan9 doing nothing on my desktop. What does it write to the SD?? On 28.11.2014 10:17, Richard Miller wrote: The Fossil open command takes the option -a to

Re: [9fans] running plan9 : an ideal setup?

2014-11-26 Thread Dante
Hi Mats, Look in the /dev directory (ls /dev). If you only have the boot device and an additional USB drive (in your case, an USB-to-SD adapter), the boot device shall be /dev/sdM0 and the USB/SD device shall be /dev/sdU0.0 Kind Regards, Dante On 26.11.2014 18:16, Mats Olsson wrote: Hi

Re: [9fans] running plan9 : an ideal setup?

2014-11-26 Thread Dante
Cool, first tester :-). Thanks, Mats! -- Dante On 26.11.2014 19:16, Mats Olsson wrote: Hi dante! In answer to my own question: DONE. Thanks a lot! Kind Greetings, Mats 2014-11-26 18:56 GMT+01:00, Mats Olsson plan9@gmail.com: Hi! So piclone sdU0.0 would be right? I have the script

Re: [9fans] reattach to a rio session

2014-11-20 Thread Dante
If I correctly understand, you would like functionality similar to screen(1) in Unix or similar X11 proxies. I don't think this utility exists in Plan9, but it should be possible to implement. On 07.11.2014 10:44, András Hrubák wrote: I connect plan9 by drawterm. After closing drawterm, how

Re: [9fans] running plan9 : an ideal setup?

2014-11-19 Thread dante
as a regression (or some other problem with my system). Kind Regards, Dante On 19.11.2014 10:40, Steve Simon wrote: - Plan9: don't enable periodic snapshots in Fossil to avoid it getting corrupt This is no longer true, this long standing bug was fixed about a year ago. Can you remember where you

Re: [9fans] running plan9 : an ideal setup?

2014-11-19 Thread dante
Hi Steve, how often do you snapshot? How large is the SD? I used a 32G SD with hourly snapshots, terminal server. I would sort of rule out the SD reliability. After reinstalling on the corrupt SD with snapshots off, no crashes for months of always-on. Thanks! Dante On 19.11.2014 11:18

Re: [9fans] running plan9 : an ideal setup?

2014-11-18 Thread dante
. Cheers, Dante On 18.11.2014 14:29, mayur...@devio.us wrote: i have been trying to get plan9 running on my latest and greatest hp-aio. failed, even while trying out 9front. would there be some way to determine an ideal configuration for a machine to used solely for plan9 experimentation? also

Re: [9fans] running plan9 : an ideal setup?

2014-11-18 Thread dante
I'll test again and report if the issue is still there. On 18.11.2014 15:11, Richard Miller wrote: - Plan9: don't enable periodic snapshots in Fossil to avoid it getting corrupt I think that advice refers to a bug which was fixed in March 2012.

Re: [9fans] running plan9 : an ideal setup?

2014-11-18 Thread dante
I don't think this applies to the Raspberry Pi. There is no installer, so the installer defaults are here irrelevant. For the Pi, a ready-to-boot SD image is provided. On 18.11.2014 16:42, Kurt H Maier wrote: Quoting dante subscripti...@posteo.eu: - 9Front: comes with the experimental hjfs

Re: [9fans] running plan9 : an ideal setup?

2014-11-18 Thread dante
Hi Mats, I posted it before; unfortunately the archive doesn't save the attached files. Here is the original post: http://9fans.net/archive/2014/08/78. Please see the attachment for the script. Cheers, Dante On 18.11.2014 22:28, Mats Olsson wrote: Hi dante! I would appreciate it a lot

Re: [9fans] Persistent font in Acme.

2014-11-06 Thread dante
Hi Mats, doesn't the font get saved in the Acme image? I don't have the manpage at hand, but Acme is usually started from a saved image. Cheers, Dante On 06.11.2014 11:01, Mats Olsson wrote: Hi guys! Is there a way to get a persistent font in Acme? I'm using a Raspberry Pi and usually

Re: [9fans] Setting the timezone in Plan 9 on the Raspberry Pi.

2014-10-06 Thread dante
and clock. It mus find out what time it is each time it boots. Cheers, Dante On 06.10.2014 15:32, Mats Olsson wrote: I can't set the correct timezone on my Raspberry Pi running Plan 9. What I've found on the net is that I need administrative rights. I didn't know that even was a concept in Plan 9. So

Re: [9fans] Setting the timezone in Plan 9 on the Raspberry Pi.

2014-10-06 Thread dante
Correction: the Raspberry Pi has no battery On 06.10.2014 16:03, dante wrote: Hi Mats, Log in (in Plan9, on a terminal machine, that means boot the machine as...) Glenda and run: cp /adm/timezone/India /adm/timezone/local This won't bring you too far if you don't have an Ethernet

Re: [9fans] Announcing The Virtual Plan 9 Server Cookbook

2014-08-28 Thread dante
Wow, amazing work :-)!! Cheers, Dante On 27.08.2014 21:16, David L. Craig wrote: This is the publication I wished I had had several months ago, so I decided to write it. With hundreds of screen shots and a few choice scripts (the main one based on maht's make_cpuauth contribution to Plan 9

Re: [9fans] Announcing The Virtual Plan 9 Server Cookbook

2014-08-28 Thread dante
Hi David, A small review note: you can see the available devices in Plan9 with cat /dev/devices (or /dev/device or so). This might be needed in the explanation around intro(3). Kind Regards, Dante On 27.08.2014 21:16, David L. Craig wrote: This is the publication I wished I had had several

Re: [9fans] PWM and audio drivers for Raspberry Pi

2014-08-23 Thread dante
.bell-labs.com/wiki/plan9/How_to_contribute/ 2. ask David du Colombier to accept and publish your patch: http://www.9legacy.org Cheers, Dante On 23.08.2014 11:32, Pedro Coutin wrote: Hello everyone, I made a working audio driver for the Raspberry Pi by using the chipset's PWM device

[9fans] Plan9 Server Down

2014-08-21 Thread dante
Please someone reboot the Plan9 server. It appears to be down http://plan9.bell-labs.com/wiki/plan9/ Also no ping.

Re: [9fans] Plan9 Server Down

2014-08-21 Thread dante
It is the Wiki Web server, link provided in my original mail: http://plan9.bell-labs.com/wiki/plan9/ . I wanted to browse the sources (http://plan9.bell-labs.com/sources/) and found I can't reach the Wiki and cannot find the link. Now it appears to be working. Of course, it is possible that

Re: [9fans] OT: What linux has become

2014-08-13 Thread dante
. Or even the iOS aps: there is no meaningful IPC there. One reason why I try to take what I can from Plan9 is that I profoundly mistrust systems that I cannot understand due to their size/bloat. Arnold, thanks for the food for the mind :-). Cheers, Dante On 13.08.2014 06:53, Aharon Robbins

[9fans] Raspberry Pi installer surrogate

2014-08-12 Thread dante
:-). DISCLAIMER: There might be bugs. Kind Regards, Dante#!/bin/rc # # This program clones a Raspberry Pi Plan9 installation onto another storage device. # Use a USB adapter for SD cards in order to write another SD card. # The storage device will be used at its full capacity, in contrast

Re: [9fans] Raspberry Pi installer surrogate

2014-08-12 Thread dante
You got a huge 2GB disk. Moreover, you probably needed an additional PC. Cheers! On 12.08.2014 23:49, Jacob Todd wrote: I used dd and the 9front img. On Aug 12, 2014 5:43 PM, dante subscripti...@posteo.eu wrote: Dear 9ers, Here is my first contribution. AFAIK, there is no installer yet

[9fans] Strange RC behaviour

2014-08-11 Thread dante
Dear 9ers, In RC, cat EOF seems not to work inside blocks ({ ... }). Why is this so? Could this be bug or is it a feature? Kind Regards, Dante

Re: [9fans] Problems with the SD driver

2014-08-02 Thread dante
Thanks for the explanation, i agree. Dante On 02.08.2014 03:20, erik quanstrom wrote: On Fri Aug 1 05:05:39 EDT 2014, subscripti...@posteo.eu wrote: Why is the manual for partfs in Section 8 (system administration) and not in Section 4 (file servers)? This is the reason why I have overseen

Re: [9fans] Problems with the SD driver

2014-08-01 Thread dante
Why is the manual for partfs in Section 8 (system administration) and not in Section 4 (file servers)? This is the reason why I have overseen it. Would it be reasonable to ask for the manpage to be moved? Thanks, Dante On 31.07.2014 23:16, cinap_len...@felloff.net wrote: labs usb/disk doesnt

Re: [9fans] Problems with the SD driver

2014-08-01 Thread dante
Another file server in Section 8: disksim. On 01.08.2014 11:02, dante wrote: Why is the manual for partfs in Section 8 (system administration) and not in Section 4 (file servers)? This is the reason why I have overseen it. Would it be reasonable to ask for the manpage to be moved? Thanks

Re: [9fans] I want manual of OS

2014-07-31 Thread dante
(according to Google). You can print the documentation set though yourself, at is apparently consists of the Plan9 papers and manual pages, both available as PDF on the Web Site. Cheers, Dante On 31.07.2014 16:11, Daniel Peyrolon wrote: I'd like to add that I also want to buy it, and did exactly

[9fans] Problems with the SD driver

2014-07-31 Thread dante
entries for the dos and plan9 partitions under /dev/sdU0.0. All there is there are the following files: ctl, data, raw. What's going wrong? Thanks, Dante

Re: [9fans] Web Site broken

2014-07-28 Thread dante
-labs.com Cheers, Dante On 28.07.2014 09:24, Sergey Zhilkin wrote: Web (http) is only a translater of 9P :) use P9P to mount and list sources. 2014-07-27 11:44 GMT+04:00 dante subscripti...@posteo.eu: Dear 9fans, http://plan9.bell-labs.com/sources/ [1] looks nowadays like this: sed: Can't

Re: [9fans] Web Site broken

2014-07-28 Thread dante
Thanks! Cheers, Dante On 28.07.2014 10:56, Sergey Zhilkin wrote: Your question was not about site, but only about one part of it. Someone will come, and fix issue :)  All you need is on the *.cat-v.org [4] 2014-07-28 12:39 GMT+04:00 dante subscripti...@posteo.eu: Why do I always get

Re: [9fans] Web Site broken

2014-07-28 Thread dante
agree, sorry. On 28.07.2014 16:43, erik quanstrom wrote: On Mon Jul 28 04:42:19 EDT 2014, subscripti...@posteo.eu wrote: Why do I always get stupid answers on this list? [...] On 28.07.2014 09:24, Sergey Zhilkin wrote: Web (http) is only a translater of 9P :) use P9P to mount and list

Re: [9fans] Web Site broken

2014-07-28 Thread dante
Thanks to whoever rebooted the server ;)! Cheers, Dante On 28.07.2014 16:56, David du Colombier wrote: Just wondering - who should we report this too? Out of all the characters who post on this list, I'm not sure who is associated with Labs, 9Front, ... etc It looks fixed now. You should

[9fans] Web Site broken

2014-07-27 Thread dante
Dear 9fans, http://plan9.bell-labs.com/sources/ looks nowadays like this: sed: Can't open /usr/web/plan9/sources.html d-rwxrwxr-x 9grid 9grid 0 Oct 20 2005 9grid --rw-rw-r-- bootes sys [etc.] Regards, Dante

Re: [9fans] Compiler Message

2014-07-21 Thread dante
locally. Cheers, Dante On 21.07.2014 04:55, Shane Morris wrote: Hello again 9fans, I'm also trying to compile hosted Inferno for OS X 10.9, all seems to go well until the mk install giving this error message: shanes-air-2:inferno-os boris$ PATH=`pwd`/MacOSX/386/bin:$PATH mk install (cd lib9

Re: [9fans] Compiler Message

2014-07-21 Thread dante
What about Drawterm on Mac? Is it working well? This would require of course configuring a CPU server... Thanks, Dante On 21.07.2014 10:39, c...@9.squish.org wrote: In tried to install Inferno because I thought that it was the simplest way to access (at least the file system of) my Plan9

[9fans] The Third Button

2014-07-21 Thread dante
the focused window and button-2 when you click inside the focused window. Cheers, Dante

Re: [9fans] Plan9 Sources Repository

2014-07-20 Thread dante
done On 20.07.2014 00:30, erik quanstrom wrote: The Wiki seems to be frozen (i.e., not editable anymore): - no Edit button on http://www.plan9.bell-labs.com/wiki/plan9/software_for_Plan_9/ - no permissions for /mnt/wiki/software_for_plan9/current (wiki.wiki 444) edit from plan 9. - erik

Re: [9fans] Plan9 Sources Repository

2014-07-20 Thread dante
thanks. On 20.07.2014 02:12, Brian L. Stuart wrote: My whole argument goes about the following hypotheses: 1. increasing the amount of contributions may not scale in the current model. 2. submitting trivial contributions is not trivial for the contributor. Both of these points seem to come

Re: [9fans] Keeping 9pi up to date

2014-07-19 Thread dante
Thanks a lot, it works! Kind Regards, Dante On 18.07.2014 16:59, Richard Miller wrote: Would a replica/pull -v /dist/replica/network result in the same system as the last 9pi kit (http://plan9.bell-labs.com/sources/contrib/miller/9pi.img.gz)? Almost. See http://9fans.net/archive/2014/02

Re: [9fans] Plan9 Sources Repository

2014-07-19 Thread dante
(or even loosing members), s.t. that a change won't make sense? Kind Regards, Dante If there is none, could it be that this contributes to the lack of popularity and to the fragmentation of Plan9 (9front, 9atom, 9legacy, PlanB, other plans...)? i would think the lack of popularity can

Re: [9fans] Plan9 Sources Repository

2014-07-19 Thread dante
, Dante

Re: [9fans] Plan9 Sources Repository

2014-07-19 Thread dante
On 19.07.2014 13:49, pmarin wrote: Plan9 in general doesn't follow the Bazaar model ( the current usual way of doing things ). And this might lead to the problems pointed in my previous mails. Or not, I might be wrong. Kind Regards, Dante

Re: [9fans] Plan9 Sources Repository

2014-07-19 Thread dante
the following hypotheses: 1. increasing the amount of contributions may not scale in the current model. 2. submitting trivial contributions is not trivial for the contributor. Kind Regards, Dante On 19.07.2014 13:51, dante wrote: On 19.07.2014 13:49, pmarin wrote: Plan9 in general doesn't follow

Re: [9fans] Plan9 Sources Repository

2014-07-19 Thread dante
and rewriting in a different flavour. Kind Regards, Dante On 19.07.2014 14:03, tlaro...@polynum.com wrote: On Sat, Jul 19, 2014 at 01:49:10PM +0200, pmarin wrote: Plan9 in general doesn't follow the Bazaar model ( the current usual way of doing things ). The Bazaar model is the one for not doing

Re: [9fans] Plan9 Sources Repository

2014-07-19 Thread dante
much time with the system. especially one with history enabled. Sincerely: no. That's homework. Kind Regards, Dante

Re: [9fans] Plan9 Sources Repository

2014-07-19 Thread dante
? Regards, Dante P.S. I knew that I will receive a certain amount of conservative/negative answers for questioning the Status Quo. I also got some very helpful ones, see Eric. Maybe this is the right moment to ask such questions. For years, Plan9 was hard to install on common

Re: [9fans] Plan9 Sources Repository

2014-07-19 Thread dante
yes On 19.07.2014 19:31, hiro wrote: 1. Gather the good packages from the user's directories and other sources on the net into a central system, like the core Plan9. There is some work implied to check licenses and get permissions. Try 9front :)

Re: [9fans] Plan9 Sources Repository

2014-07-19 Thread dante
to be frozen (i.e., not editable anymore): - no Edit button on http://www.plan9.bell-labs.com/wiki/plan9/software_for_Plan_9/ - no permissions for /mnt/wiki/software_for_plan9/current (wiki.wiki 444) Cheers, Dante

[9fans] Plan9 Sources Repository

2014-07-18 Thread dante
to the lack of popularity and to the fragmentation of Plan9 (9front, 9atom, 9legacy, PlanB, other plans...)? Kind Regards, Dante

[9fans] Keeping 9pi up to date

2014-07-18 Thread dante
Dear Mr. Miller, Would a replica/pull -v /dist/replica/network result in the same system as the last 9pi kit (http://plan9.bell-labs.com/sources/contrib/miller/9pi.img.gz)? Thanks, Dante