On 04/20/2009 11:46 PM, J.R. Mauro wrote:
The update/installation process in Ubuntu sucks. If you try something
using BSD ports or Gentoo portage, you can fine tune things and have
explicit control over the update process.
I don't think so, one can acquire a complete control over any common
J.R. Mauro and Balwinder S Dheeman
Gentoo and, or FreeBSD
please stop polluting. thanks.
On 04/18/2009 11:23 AM, lu...@proxima.alt.za wrote:
Every time I have to use something like
Linux or MS, I feel overwhelmed by the sheer complexity of it all.
Possibly OT, my main beef with Linux and Windows is that they keep
wanting to update themselves and the effort to manage these
On 04/18/2009 11:36 AM, J.R. Mauro wrote:
On Sat, Apr 18, 2009 at 1:47 AM, lu...@proxima.alt.za wrote:
Every time I have to use something like
Linux or MS, I feel overwhelmed by the sheer complexity of it all.
Possibly OT, my main beef with Linux and Windows is that they keep
wanting to
On 04/18/2009 05:47 AM, Robert Raschke wrote:
On 4/17/09, Balwinder S Dheeman bdhee...@gmail.com wrote:
Please set aside rare cases and let us know who except for the students,
teachers and, or researchers uses Plan9 and, or Inferno in the offices,
homes and, or cafes and for what?
At the
On 04/18/2009 01:02 AM, Gorka Guardiola wrote:
On Fri, Apr 17, 2009 at 3:14 PM, Balwinder S Dheeman bdhee...@gmail.com
wrote:
Please set aside rare cases and let us know who except for the students,
teachers and, or researchers uses Plan9 and, or Inferno in the offices,
homes and, or cafes
sorry if I read wrong, but I thought the thread was Help for home
user discovering Plan 9
not FreeBSD and Linux rule or Who uses Plan 9?
On Mon, Apr 20, 2009 at 7:41 AM, Balwinder S Dheeman bdhee...@gmail.com wrote:
On 04/18/2009 01:02 AM, Gorka Guardiola wrote:
On Fri, Apr 17, 2009 at 3:14
We can't tell you who uses Plan 9, because it is a secret and they
don't want anyone to learn about their secret competitive advantage.
/sarcasm (But still sadly true.)
uriel
On Mon, Apr 20, 2009 at 12:41 PM, Balwinder S Dheeman
bdhee...@gmail.com wrote:
On 04/18/2009 01:02 AM, Gorka Guardiola
On Mon Apr 20 11:04:31 EDT 2009, urie...@gmail.com wrote:
We can't tell you who uses Plan 9, because it is a secret and they
don't want anyone to learn about their secret competitive advantage.
/sarcasm (But still sadly true.)
i have a counterexample.
coraid, inc. uses plan 9. it's a big
The update/installation process in Ubuntu sucks. If you try something
using BSD ports or Gentoo portage, you can fine tune things and have
explicit control over the update process.
I don't think so, one can acquire a complete control over any common
Linux distribution, can opt for tuning
Let me repeat that the question is/was, Who uses Plan9 in the Offices,
homes and, or cafes for commercial and, or industrial application.
I use plan9 at home and at work as a development environment. It is my
primary desktop OS, though I do VNC onto other OSs to use more complex
websites (like
On Mon, Apr 20, 2009 at 11:57 AM, Steve Simon st...@quintile.net wrote:
Let me repeat that the question is/was, Who uses Plan9 in the Offices,
homes and, or cafes for commercial and, or industrial application.
I use plan9 at home and at work as a development environment. It is my
primary
On Sat, Apr 18, 2009 at 1:47 AM, lu...@proxima.alt.za wrote:
Every time I have to use something like
Linux or MS, I feel overwhelmed by the sheer complexity of it all.
Possibly OT, my main beef with Linux and Windows is that they keep
wanting to update themselves and the effort to manage
The update/installation process in Ubuntu sucks. If you try something
using BSD ports or Gentoo portage, you can fine tune things and have
explicit control over the update process.
I was specifically omitting BSD ports, as they are in a different
league. The point I _was_ making is that one
This thing about Windows updates, I think it's a non-issue. It's not like
updates are mandatory and, as a matter of fact, there's rather fine-grained
classification of them on Microsoft's knowledge base which can be used by
any more or less experienced user to identify exactly what they need
On Sat, Apr 18, 2009 at 2:11 AM, lu...@proxima.alt.za wrote:
The update/installation process in Ubuntu sucks. If you try something
using BSD ports or Gentoo portage, you can fine tune things and have
explicit control over the update process.
I was specifically omitting BSD ports, as they are
On Sat, Apr 18, 2009 at 2:08 AM, Eris Discordia
eris.discor...@gmail.com wrote:
This thing about Windows updates, I think it's a non-issue. It's not like
updates are mandatory and, as a matter of fact, there's rather fine-grained
classification of them on Microsoft's knowledge base which can be
On Fri, Apr 17, 2009 at 6:00 AM, Eris Discordia
eris.discor...@gmail.com wrote:
It's like I'm seeing an apparition of myself back more than a year ago. No
wonder 9fans got to dislike me so much. Do 9fans get nuisances like me in
regular intervals?
yes, they come and they go. But there's
Seriously, give Gentoo portage a try. There is a sane package
management system for Linux.
if you don't upgrade in lock step you will get into dependency hell.
portage is now exactly what its developers railed against — rpm
dependency hell. portage just kicks the can down the street a bit.
in
It's like I'm seeing an apparition of myself back more than a year ago. No
wonder 9fans got to dislike me so much. Do 9fans get nuisances like me in
regular intervals?
yes, they come and they go. But there's always one. Never more,
according to Yoda.
I think I can see why. In fact, Eris
On Sat, Apr 18, 2009 at 12:20 PM, erik quanstrom quans...@quanstro.net wrote:
Seriously, give Gentoo portage a try. There is a sane package
management system for Linux.
if you don't upgrade in lock step you will get into dependency hell.
portage is now exactly what its developers railed
That is a lie. There are updates which (at least on XP) you could
never refuse. Nevermind the fact that Windows would have to restart
more than once on a typical series of updates.
Windows isn't really the subject on this thread or this list. Except when
someone goes out of their way to
On Sat, Apr 18, 2009 at 2:29 PM, Eris Discordia
eris.discor...@gmail.com wrote:
That is a lie. There are updates which (at least on XP) you could
never refuse. Nevermind the fact that Windows would have to restart
more than once on a typical series of updates.
Windows isn't really the subject
Actually, I used Windows for years before discovering something
better. I explicitly disabled updates in XP, and it would insist on
looking for them and bothering me about them, anyway.
I put it here for I don't know what to call it--shall we say... historical
record?--how to turn off your
On Sat, Apr 18, 2009 at 3:34 PM, Eris Discordia
eris.discor...@gmail.com wrote:
Actually, I used Windows for years before discovering something
better. I explicitly disabled updates in XP, and it would insist on
looking for them and bothering me about them, anyway.
I put it here for I don't
On 04/15/2009 05:22 PM, Pietro Gagliardi wrote:
On Apr 15, 2009, at 4:26 AM, Eris Discordia wrote:
Plan 9 is not intended for home or home office.
True, but that doesn't mean it can't be used in such an environment. I
type all my reports up in Plan 9.
Please set aside rare cases and let
On Apr 14, 7:15�pm, szhil...@gmail.com (Sergey Zhilkin) wrote:
My wireless card is not listed in Plan9.ini. Does that mean there's no
way for me to connect with that card?
Hi !
What type of wireless card you have
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With best regards
The Plan9 project started in 1980, took around 9 years to be solid
enough to be usable and that too by the internal and, or lab people
[http://plan9.bell-labs.com/sys/doc/9.html] only.
unless one is speaking in geologic terms, there's a significant difference
between the mid-1980s and 1980.
2009/4/17 Eris Discordia eris.discor...@gmail.com:
It's like I'm seeing an apparition of myself back more than a year ago. No
wonder 9fans got to dislike me so much. Do 9fans get nuisances like me in
regular intervals?
From time to time :)
We have a high conversion rate, though.
--dho
It's like I'm seeing an apparition of myself back more than a year ago. No
wonder 9fans got to dislike me so much. Do 9fans get nuisances like me in
regular intervals?
--On Friday, April 17, 2009 1:14 PM + Balwinder S Dheeman
bdhee...@gmail.com wrote:
On 04/15/2009 05:22 PM, Pietro
The Plan9 project started in 1980, took around 9 years to be solid
enough to be usable and that too by the internal and, or lab people
[http://plan9.bell-labs.com/sys/doc/9.html] only.
I was using plan9 outside of bell labs in 1993 - not very aggressively
I admit but I didn't have the skils
It lacks usual
buttons for minimizing (hiding), maximizing, controlling windows. You
can't even send a window to background and even if Inferno's wm has some
of these including title bars, but the meanings and, or behavior of the
same is quite different from other popular GUI systems.
Here
On Fri, Apr 17, 2009 at 3:14 PM, Balwinder S Dheeman bdhee...@gmail.com wrote:
Please set aside rare cases and let us know who except for the students,
teachers and, or researchers uses Plan9 and, or Inferno in the offices,
homes and, or cafes and for what?
The Plan9 project started in 1980,
On 4/17/09, Balwinder S Dheeman bdhee...@gmail.com wrote:
Please set aside rare cases and let us know who except for the students,
teachers and, or researchers uses Plan9 and, or Inferno in the offices,
homes and, or cafes and for what?
At the risk (or maybe honour :-) of being branded as a
Every time I have to use something like
Linux or MS, I feel overwhelmed by the sheer complexity of it all.
Possibly OT, my main beef with Linux and Windows is that they keep
wanting to update themselves and the effort to manage these updates
is enormous (less so with Ubuntu, but still great).
Thanks to everyone again for all the information and ideas. I decided
to try running Plan 9 with Qemu in Ubuntu. I can't use kvm because my
processor doesn't support it. I resized my partitions to make room to
install Ubuntu in its own partition. Before that it was running from a
CD image on my XP
I don't know if it's because of bashfulness or what that people aren't
telling it to your face: Plan 9 is not intended for home or home office. It
hasn't matured to that point and its age is already past when it had a
chance to mature. From what I've read on this list it probably serves as
the
but I
don't think you can get much from it by way of productivity, unless you
intend to get productive in software engineering and/or computer science.
If you phrased this slightly more gently, people may in fact agree
with you. Although I find my workstation quite a useful mail agent,
Now I need to decide whether to install qemu or kvm, and whether to
install it in Ubuntu or in Debian, and then reorganize my partitions
accordingly.
QEMU would be the way to go. It seems most people here who run Plan 9 in a
VM do it on QEMU on Linux; you'll have a better chance of getting
On Wed, Apr 15, 2009 at 10:05 PM, Jim Habegger jimhabeg...@gmail.com wrote:
Now I need to decide whether to install qemu or kvm, and whether to
install it in Ubuntu or in Debian, and then reorganize my partitions
accordingly.
If you want to see Plan 9 run natively on hardware, then I
If you phrased this slightly more gently, people may in fact agree
with you.
They'd be agreeing with the wrong formulation, then.
But Plan 9 is a great environment to experiment in.
Sure. So is every nascent or vestigial system.
Anyhow, the thread's originator says he's interested in
Now I need to decide whether to install qemu or kvm, and whether to
install it in Ubuntu or in Debian, and then reorganize my partitions
accordingly.
I am using 9vx for experimenting and learning a bit, and is good
enough for me. Never mind that it crashes quite often (specially when
you start
...
hasn't matured to that point and its age is already
past when it had a chance to mature.
Methinks he doth protest too much.
-Steve
On Wed, Apr 15, 2009 at 9:00 AM, Steve Simon st...@quintile.net wrote:
...
hasn't matured to that point and its age is already
past when it had a chance to mature.
Methinks he doth protest too much.
Yes. If you keep thinking of Plan 9 as a Unix variant, you're going to
be continually upset.
We have three Windows laptops in our family. I've been using free
software systems off and on for years. Last week I learned about Plan
9 from Bell Labs, from someone in a Linux Questions forum. Now I have
it installed on a partition on my laptop, along with XP,
Ubuntu-on-NTFS, Debian, and
My wireless card is not listed in Plan9.ini. Does that mean there's no
way for me to connect with that card?
Hi !
What type of wireless card you have
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С наилучшими пожеланиями
Жилкин Сергей
With best regards
Zhilkin Sergey
Plan 9 in the home... an interesting experiment. (I am the only one in
my home who uses it.) Enjoy!
My message contains references to files in /n/sources/contrib. When
you get your internet up in Plan 9, use
9fs sources
to gain access to this folder. PostScript and PDF files can
I don't think there are video players.
Someone created an ffmpeg port, but I'm not sure if it does video
output or just conversion as I've never actually used it.
--dho
On Apr 14, 2009, at 8:36 AM, Pietro Gagliardi wrote:
juke(6) for how to go about playing music.
that should be juke(7), sorry.
2009/4/14 Jim Habegger jimhabeg...@gmail.com:
My wireless card is not listed in Plan9.ini. Does that mean there's no
way for me to connect with that card?
The easy way is to run Plan9 inside a virtual machine like
qemu on Linux or Windows.
Andrés
Thanks to everyone for all the information and ideas!
At first I was going to try to make Plan 9 my all-purpose system on
this laptop, but for now it looks like I'll just be using it to learn
more about networking and distributed systems. I've tried using
virtual machines in Windows before to run
*
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My Internet socializing now is mostly:
- email
- calling people with Skype
- reading and commenting in blogs
- posting in my own blogs
- reading and posting in the Linux Questions forums
- reading and posting on this list
- Facebook
better keep another system handy, fully
Look at - http://9fans.net/archive/2008/10/304
Plan9 hardware support is limited to those that plan9 users have.
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С наилучшими пожеланиями
Жилкин Сергей
With best regards
Zhilkin Sergey
On Wed, Apr 15, 2009 at 3:43 AM, Sergey Zhilkin szhil...@gmail.com wrote:
Look at - http://9fans.net/archive/2008/10/304
Plan9 hardware support is limited to those that plan9 users have.
Well, now there's a Plan 9 user with Atheros 5K.
I suppose I could try to port ath5k myself.
I had some
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