Re: [9fans] Plan 9 Related Work

2011-11-24 Thread Uriel
This days probably your best chance is to work with Go (designed by some of the creators of Plan 9 now at Google), there are quite a few organizations using it already in production and some are hiring: http://go-lang.cat-v.org/organizations-using-go uriel On Mon, Nov 21, 2011 at 11:00 PM, Jani

Re: [9fans] 9vx instability

2011-11-24 Thread Yaroslav
2011/11/22 Skip Tavakkolian skip.tavakkol...@gmail.com: because 9fans not only agree to disagree, they also disagree to agree :) +1

Re: [9fans] 9vx instability

2011-11-24 Thread Francisco J Ballesteros
You mean -1, don't you? On Thu, Nov 24, 2011 at 5:40 PM, Yaroslav yari...@gmail.com wrote: 2011/11/22 Skip Tavakkolian skip.tavakkol...@gmail.com: because 9fans not only agree to disagree, they also disagree to agree :) +1

Re: [9fans] 9vx instability

2011-11-24 Thread erik quanstrom
This, to be honest, doesn't say much. However, recently I stumbled over this: http://www.sptechweb.com/content/article.aspx?ArticleID=35742print=true geoff did cwfs, and has done more to maintain the system than the rest of us put together. he has my respect for that. thanks, geoff. - erik

Re: [9fans] 9vx instability

2011-11-24 Thread Skip Tavakkolian
it seems to me that cat-v.org is in the business of promoting itself. i've had patches that were accepted and some that were rejected for good reasons. please point out the rejected patches (which are also kept) so that we can judge the veracity of the claims being made. I have great respect for

Re: [9fans] 9vx instability

2011-11-24 Thread Francisco J Ballesteros
I'm impressed by the work Geoff, and others do on Plan9, and I'm not talking about 9front at all. Jim, Charles, and others made an excellent port for amd64, which is cleaner that any other system I've seen. We used that as a starting point for nix. I think is childish to fork a system because the

Re: [9fans] 9vx instability

2011-11-24 Thread Stanley Lieber
The work of Geoff and everyone inside and outside of Bell Labs who have contributed over the years is greatly appreciated. Obviously, none of us would be here talking about Plan 9 without their contributions. It's because of their hard work that we have a base from which to launch our experiments.

Re: [9fans] 9vx instability

2011-11-24 Thread ron minnich
On Thu, Nov 24, 2011 at 10:25 AM, erik quanstrom quans...@quanstro.net wrote: This, to be honest, doesn't say much. However, recently I stumbled over this: http://www.sptechweb.com/content/article.aspx?ArticleID=35742print=true geoff did cwfs, and has done more to maintain the system than

Re: [9fans] 9vx instability

2011-11-24 Thread cinap_lenrek
so it is childish to replace 9load? or build a distribution that uses the stable and robust cwfs instead of fossil? write an audio layer? moving realmode and keyboard processing to userspace? unify the boot process to to break into rc shell, so one can at see what hardware got detected, poke at

Re: [9fans] 9vx instability

2011-11-24 Thread ron minnich
Um, cinap, just FYI, I was not aiming at you or anyone else in particular. Sorry if it sounded that way. It's a holiday here, and not many other places, but still ... happy -day everyone! ron

Re: [9fans] Let's get VM configs onto the Wiki.

2011-11-24 Thread Bakul Shah
On Tue, 22 Nov 2011 14:53:27 PST Lyndon Nerenberg lyn...@orthanc.ca wrote: I found that Virtualbox worked very well when I was fiddling with my Macbook on the way back from IWP9. I haven't tried it on the thinkpad yet. What would be *really* helpful is if people who have actual real live

Re: [9fans] 9vx instability

2011-11-24 Thread Francisco J Ballesteros
neither am I. I was saying it would have been much better to see which one was the problem with patches and address it. have fun. On Thursday, November 24, 2011, ron minnich rminn...@gmail.com wrote: Um, cinap, just FYI, I was not aiming at you or anyone else in particular. Sorry if it sounded

Re: [9fans] Let's get VM configs onto the Wiki.

2011-11-24 Thread Lyndon Nerenberg
But I am not a fan of Wikis. Usually a wiki ends up being an unstructured collection of useful facts that can go stale as it takes a lot of effort to keep it organized. I'm no fan either, but until someone comes up with an alternative there is no way of knowing which one sucks more.

Re: [9fans] Let's get VM configs onto the Wiki.

2011-11-24 Thread ron minnich
On Thu, Nov 24, 2011 at 1:16 PM, Bakul Shah ba...@bitblocks.com wrote: But I am not a fan of Wikis. Usually a wiki ends up being an unstructured collection of useful facts that can go stale as it takes a lot of effort to keep it organized. Would be interesting if every wiki entry came with an

Re: [9fans] Let's get VM configs onto the Wiki.

2011-11-24 Thread Bakul Shah
On Thu, 24 Nov 2011 14:05:00 PST ron minnich rminn...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Nov 24, 2011 at 1:16 PM, Bakul Shah ba...@bitblocks.com wrote: But I am not a fan of Wikis. Usually a wiki ends up being an unstructured collection of useful facts that can go stale as it takes a lot of effort

Re: [9fans] 9vx instability

2011-11-24 Thread erik quanstrom
On Thu Nov 24 15:40:16 EST 2011, cinap_len...@gmx.de wrote: so it is childish to replace 9load? or build a distribution that uses the stable and robust cwfs instead of fossil? write an audio layer? moving realmode and keyboard processing to userspace? unify the boot process to to break into rc

Re: [9fans] 9vx instability

2011-11-24 Thread Lucio De Re
I have great respect for Geoff and what he has been and continues to do for Plan 9. I'd like to add my voice to this. And I take exception to Schmidt taking the glory for cwfs, which is Geoff Collyer's work and is not in any way to be treated as a sequel to Fossil. ++L

[9fans] Forks of Plan 9 (Was: 9vx instability)

2011-11-24 Thread Lucio De Re
I'm impressed by the work Geoff, and others do on Plan9, and I'm not talking about 9front at all. Jim, Charles, and others made an excellent port for amd64, which is cleaner that any other system I've seen. We used that as a starting point for nix. Out of curiosity: 9front makes high claims

Re: [9fans] 9vx instability

2011-11-24 Thread Lucio De Re
I take full responsibility for the misunderstandings, though I wonder why we're all so credulous when it comes to articles on websites. Because that's the point of journalism. You ought to have made sure that the community affected by the article was informed about its inaccuracies. I do

Re: [9fans] 9vx instability

2011-11-24 Thread Lucio De Re
so it is childish to replace 9load? or build a distribution that uses the stable and robust cwfs instead of fossil? write an audio layer? moving realmode and keyboard processing to userspace? unify the boot process to to break into rc shell, so one can at see what hardware got detected, poke

Re: [9fans] 9vx instability

2011-11-24 Thread Stanley Lieber
On Thu, Nov 24, 2011 at 9:30 PM, Lucio De Re lu...@proxima.alt.za wrote: I have great respect for Geoff and what he has been and continues to do for Plan 9. I'd like to add my voice to this.  And I take exception to Schmidt taking the glory for cwfs, which is Geoff Collyer's work and is not

Re: [9fans] Forks of Plan 9 (Was: 9vx instability)

2011-11-24 Thread Lucio De Re
A handful of device drivers have been written from scratch. Some devices started working when their PCI IDs were added to existing drivers. A bit like pulling teeth, isn't it? It is natural to become defensive of one's efforts, but that also leads to categorising those against whom defenses

Re: [9fans] 9vx instability

2011-11-24 Thread Stanley Lieber
On Thu, Nov 24, 2011 at 9:37 PM, Lucio De Re lu...@proxima.alt.za wrote:  I take full responsibility for the misunderstandings, though I wonder why we're all so credulous when it comes to articles on websites. Because that's the point of journalism.  You ought to have made sure that the

Re: [9fans] 9vx instability

2011-11-24 Thread Stanley Lieber
On Thu, Nov 24, 2011 at 9:46 PM, Lucio De Re lu...@proxima.alt.za wrote: Is it too late to merge Plan 9, 9front and NIX by applying patches as the Go Authors do with their stuff? The divergence is probably already too wide for merging with simple patches, but 9front's changes are of course

Re: [9fans] Forks of Plan 9 (Was: 9vx instability)

2011-11-24 Thread cinap_lenrek
theres a new miniport originaly based on the ac97 driver for the audio devices. sb16 driver was rewritten mainly to get interrupt free output in emulators like qemu and bochs. required minimal changes to the legacy dma controller code. hda driver was written from scratch. all audio drivers

Re: [9fans] Forks of Plan 9 (Was: 9vx instability)

2011-11-24 Thread Lucio De Re
theres a new miniport originaly based on the ac97 driver for the audio devices. sb16 driver was rewritten mainly to get interrupt free output [... snip ...] Yeow! no #P/realmode anymore. no 16bit code in kernel, e820 scan done by bootloader. thats all i can remember for hardware

Re: [9fans] Forks of Plan 9 (Was: 9vx instability)

2011-11-24 Thread cinap_lenrek
drivers should be pretty portable. there are more drastic changes like the eqlock function that touched many places. its basicly a normal qlock() that can error() out when the process gets a note or gets killed. -- cinap

Re: [9fans] Plan 9 Related Work

2011-11-24 Thread Peter A. Cejchan
which is the current distribution of 9go: by ron at golang.org, or at contrib/lucio? I have written some go code on linux and i want to move it under 9 thanks, regards, ++pac

Re: [9fans] Plan 9 Related Work

2011-11-24 Thread ron minnich
use either one. Let us know how it goes :-) ron

Re: [9fans] Plan 9 Related Work

2011-11-24 Thread andrey mirtchovski
I have written some go code on linux and i want to move it under 9 thanks, regards, ++pac your best bet is to cross-compile on Linux. set GOOS to plan9 and GOARCH to 386.

Re: [9fans] Plan 9 Related Work

2011-11-24 Thread Lucio De Re
I have written some go code on linux and i want to move it under 9 thanks, regards, ++pac your best bet is to cross-compile on Linux. set GOOS to plan9 and GOARCH to 386. That's a nice idea, but I haven't had much joy in the last few days trying that. I haven't tried a tagged release,

Re: [9fans] Plan 9 Related Work

2011-11-24 Thread Peter A. Cejchan
okay, I'll try all three possibilities, however, how to extract files from lucio's go.ext? I see that it is plain text... thanks, ++pac On Fri, Nov 25, 2011 at 8:21 AM, andrey mirtchovski mirtchov...@gmail.comwrote: I have written some go code on linux and i want to move it under 9 thanks,

Re: [9fans] Plan 9 Related Work

2011-11-24 Thread Lucio De Re
okay, I'll try all three possibilities, however, how to extract files from lucio's go.ext? I see that it is plain text... thanks, ++pac disk/mkfs, see the man page (man mkext). But I'd rather hand you a fresher release, if you can be patient. Right now I need a new web proxy as the

Re: [9fans] Plan 9 Related Work

2011-11-24 Thread Peter A. Cejchan
Or, you can use http://www.uschovna.cz if it is not over 200MiB On Fri, Nov 25, 2011 at 8:34 AM, Peter A. Cejchan tyap...@gmail.com wrote: Can you share it over ftp or http? thanks, happy advent, Peter.

Re: [9fans] Forks of Plan 9 (Was: 9vx instability)

2011-11-24 Thread Francisco J Ballesteros
I'd like to say here that I'm sorry if my mail in this thread did hurt any feelings. That was not my aim, again. I know all of us keep a local copy in one way or another, but I'd like to suggest that all of us keep on sending patches and code to bell labs; that's the least we can do, considering