you are my hero. now do the same for firefox ;)
no, seriously: thanks for the effort!
interested students should perhaps submit their plan 9 gsoc project
proposals to the Hurd. i hear we have a connection there through a
certain Thomas Bushnell, BSG ;)
values of Δ will give rise to doom!
at least get that one right, please?
You don't get it, do you?
Δ is the symbol for change.
Now do you get it?
CHANGE --- DOOM
despite being quite the little tard, i'll give you a pass. what you
quoted incorrectly is this:
9grid% sed -n 88,91p /usr/andrey/unix/V6/usr/source/s2/mv.c
if(*--argp1 == '.'){
in the news:
http://www.regdeveloper.co.uk/2008/03/27/google_summer_code_debian_losers/
Does that even do anything?
try to figure it out. you may be enlightened.
if you fail, follow this link: http://9fans.net/archive/2002/05/18
it's a known bug, but i don't think there's a fix for it.
i've lost my notes on this, but basically you need to figure out why
the drawterm Carbon event handlers are not being called. it could be a
configuration option that we're not setting or something more
sinister. i don't know enough osx to be able to say.
another manifestation of the same bug
no, they should go to the program, since it's the one that set up the
listener, et al. the applescript does the equivalent of opening the
terminal and running a program in it, with keyboard and mouse events
going directly to the program.
besides, i haven't used the script in years, preferring to
plan9 goes to 11, but the counter overflows at 10 :)
On Sun, Apr 6, 2008 at 3:18 PM, Micah Stetson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
http://www.ugu.com/sui/ugu/show?I=ugu.hotnotHN=1113RT=10
Shouldn't that be RT=9? Or does your Plan 9 go to 10?
Micah
the only major difference would be between the respective
getticks() and cycles() implementations, i think.
On Thu, Apr 10, 2008 at 3:28 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
i wonder if they'll give the same results!
yes, the results are very similar (it's not an exact number). top here
is
Rosenthal, David S. H., ''A Simple X11 Client Program,'' in
Proceedings of the Winter, 1988 USENIX Conference,
pp. 229-235. A version of the ''hello, world'' paper, presenting and
comparing the basics of the X library and
the X Toolkit. All potential X programmers (Xlib or X toolkit) should
Indentation by white space is a very bad idea in my experience.
it could just be possible that you're using an editor that is not
aware of the particular indentation requirements of said language, no?
does it, at least, implement color coding?
:D
sorry, but I have no idea what you're talking about, what desktop?
rotating?
those are metacity's window effects. gnome's window manager window
manager. don't ask how i know :)
http://swtch.com/plan9port/man/man7/keyboard.html
On Wed, May 14, 2008 at 8:44 AM, hugo rivera [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Hi guys:
I hope this is not a very silly question, but I do not remember how to
write unicode characters in Acme. I am using plan 9 from user space on
FreeBSD.
As far
BU is the Business Unit. the reason we're not using Plan 9 and
Inferno instead of Linux and Java ;)
can you cat /dev/mouse and see if button 4/5 events are generated by
the mouse? it may be that they give you something else than the usual
down/up event that everybody is used to (large value deltas, for
example). they may also be generating button 6 and up events instead,
in which case you'll
confirmed for 10.5.3.
On Fri, Jun 27, 2008 at 8:32 AM, Francisco J Ballesteros [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
MacOSX 10.5,
running it with -t works fine here, including GUI.
On Fri, Jun 27, 2008 at 10:34 AM, David Leimbach [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Funny! Chording works great for me! (I'm suspecting my X11 is borked
though, it may be completely unrelated to this project).
button 2/3 emulation with option and apple keys works, but i'm using
button1+option+apple to
trying to answer my own question about high cpu load, it looks like
9vx is busy switching all the time. if anyone knows these tracing
facilities better, please step up :)
dappprof (profiles execution, elapsed time is in nanoseconds):
CALL
make 9vx/9vx
on 10.5.3 that fails with:
gcc -g -O3 -MD -std=gnu99 -I. -I. -I9vx -I9vx/a -Wall
-Wno-missing-braces -c -o 9vx/main.o 9vx/main.c
9vx/main.c: In function 'sigsegv':
9vx/main.c:491: error: 'struct __darwin_mcontext32' has no member named 'es'
9vx/main.c:492: error: 'struct
now that you've explained the cs issue things are much clearer. i can
confirm that I have successfully booted a 9vx terminal off a remote
plan9 server using a small modification to factotum.
the original boot process failed with:
password:
!
authentication failed (auth_proxy rpc write: bootes:
now compile 8.factotum and copy it as 9vx/src/9vx/factotum.9 and recompile
9vx.
err, make that vx32/src/9vx/factotum.9. i'm compiling against the
latest mercurial, but there's not reason why it shouldn't just work
with .11 and .10
Does it work to set csremoved=1 in src/9vx/devip.c instead?
I can confirm that this works, with the benefit of using secstore
instead of prompting for my password.
Mozilla didn't create the web. The web created Mozilla.
just change Mozilla to Mosaic and see how P→Q suddenly becomes Q→P
I think the problem comes from 9vx picking up the main display's
dimensions as the preallocation for full screen. Drawterm has a fix
for that which loops through all the currently attached displays and
picks up the one with the largest size to decide what the maximum
dimensions should be.
here's
Is there any way we could solve the current state of affairs
if that's the royal we you're using then sure, there is a way:
simply download the latest versions of all programs that you're
interested in unifying (p9p, drawterm, 9vx, acme-sac, inferno), merge
the osx drawing code (using the best
why can only one thread run vx32?
i think i found part of the answer just now. see the comment above
9vx/main.c:^setsigsegv
is your app export-controlled?
On Mon, Jul 7, 2008 at 12:04 PM, ron minnich [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I have an application for 10,000 machines. One option is to buy them
and run them, yuck!
you can try using tcs to convert the email to utf, but the man page
doesn't say whether tcs speaks 8859-15, but the p9p program says it
does (tcs -lv):
http://swtch.com/plan9port/man/man1/tcs.html
On Fri, Jul 11, 2008 at 9:55 AM, Mathieu Lonjaret [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Hello 9fans,
I have a
add this one to the list:
http://9fans.net/archive/2003/12/182
found this snippet today and decided to share it with the list. every
once in a while a look at how the rest of the world does things is
beneficial :)
I don't know about you, but every time I have to program with threads
and shared resources, I want to remove my face incrementally with a
salad
Is the human thought process parallel? For _my capacities_, I have the
impression that I'm more multitask than parallel. And context switch is
expensive because there is not only explicit data, but also implicit and
I'm not able, if I'm really doing something involved, to restore the
previous
I disagree on philosophical grounds ;-) It's been one of the major
engineering follies to always approach design from a just follow
the nature standpoint. No wonder that before the Wright brothers
everybody thought the best way to fly is to flap some kind of wings.
off topic, but to note:
I was going to try it until i saw this:
http://forums.virtualbox.org/viewtopic.php?t=2991
looks like others have got plan9 going on it.
On Wed, Jul 30, 2008 at 11:10 PM, William K. Josephson
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Has anyone in these parts experimented recently with VirtualBox?
see boot(8). you need to wait 15 seconds for the default to be picked up:
Method and address are prompted for first. The prompt lists all valid
methods, with the default in brackets, for example:
root is from (tcp, local!#S/sdC0/fs)[tcp]:
A newline picks the default. Other possible
I haven't used either of those in a long time. If you send me changes
I'd be glad to put them on sources. If you want to take over
maintaining them we can easily arrange that :)
andrey
On Thu, Aug 14, 2008 at 1:09 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Subject 'Irc' client program at Andrey's Contrib
Ms. Discordia, if you don't like it here why do you stay?
therapy?
here is the scary.devil.monastery of old systems programmers, after all. :)
try Kill instead of kill
On Mon, Sep 8, 2008 at 11:17 AM, Antonin Vecera
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Hello all,
I run on my terminal a process, which switches user id to 'none' (f.e. tftpd).
I can't kill that process.
ps | grep none
none 132 0:00 0:00 140K Open tftpd
echo
if you moved the mouse during rio startup you may cause rio to be out
of sync with the values from the mouse driver. there is a reset
command in the driver which causes this behaviour to stop. if you have
a window open echo reset /dev/mousectl sometimes helps. rebooting
and keeping the hands off
I threw caution to the wind and ran the rebuild inside rio, and didn't
have anything unusual happen. I'll keep an eye out for those panics
though, incase I find a way to get them repeatably.
I was serving the 9vx window from a fairly remote Linux box, that may
have contributed.
Does that
this is a consequence of how environment variables are treated by the
shell and what appears in /env. there is a disconnect between the file
server and the shell (in essence the shell doesn't consult /env upon
each reference. for example if you simply create a file in /env your
current shell won't
see the window(1) man page regarding the -m option passed to the
command and what it does in this case. not to repeat everything here,
but it suffices to say that
window -m -hide rc -c 'label a_name; tail -f /sys/log/telnet'
works as expected.
note that -m must appear first in the argument
scratch my previous explanation. it is incorrect. looking through
rio's source code it appears that the cause is the supplied rc -c
argument to 'window'. the window command assumes that everything after
the switches is a command to be executed and actually prepends 'rc -c'
in front of your command
(btw. can I do sth. else??! -- in linux one can usually kill X with
alt-ctrl-backspace. Is there anything like that? I hope the underlining
system is just working)
you can log in to the node if it allows that and reboot it. i crashed
quite a few drawterm sessions to the same node to make sure
you can log in to the node if it allows that and reboot it. i crashed
quite a few drawterm sessions to the same node to make sure it's
repeatable.
i think i meant kill and restart rio here, not reboot the node.
back when i had mirroring via devfs (some three years ago now) i used
'cmp' to verify that the disks were being correctly written to and
that no errors have occurred. i ran cmp from the nigtly log at least
couple of times a week.
funny, looking in the archive it was exactly a year ago that i sent a
patch to fix this. the patch doesn't seem to have been applied. it
does two things: does ctrl+F for both full screen and full-screen-less
and fixes a bug when if one is using two unequal displays (larger
secondary) then drawterm
this http://9fans.net/archive/2007/01/301 ?
Russ fixed it and I believe I helped with the testing and contributed
a small change to allow UTF characters to be pasted correctly.
On Sat, Oct 18, 2008 at 2:48 AM, Steve Simon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Did you (or anyone else) find the bug in osd
i stumbled upon this the other day. xmonad is a tiling window manager
written in haskell that looks similar to acme, although it can be
completely keyboard-driven. if anyone has used it please comment on
it.
andrey
is there something else you are looking for?
say i have a plan9 compute cluster on which i want to allow tip9ug's
users to run jobs. i shouldn't have to add all their passwords to my
auth server, but i should still be able to say i trust tip9ug's auth
server and will allow users from it to log
what kind of access would you give such users to the fileserver?
in this specific example perhaps some minimal scratch space, but one
can quickly conceive cases where the complete file system semantics
are used, for example when you want to provide a data replication
service between sites
This has one or two complications. There is no way to interrupt or kill
the foreground process. Instead, ctrl-c interrupts 9vx itself.
chris,
one of the nice things about the Plan 9 graphics system is that rio is
in no way different than any other graphical program. it reads and
writes files
I was playing around with the modified win program and I realized
it's not going to work due to the propensity of acme to redirect
standard error to a separate window. This environment has no way of
notifying anyone that a new window has opened without being requested
except visually.
A better
the bug is within rio, which keeps track of changed directories but
doesn't know that some of them are changed on a stack for a child
process. the actual code is in xfid.c:^xfidwrite, the Qwdir case. what
is happening is that it catches the 'cd /lib' correctly and sets
w-dir accordingly, however
Eris, did you just post the following to slashdot? s/OpenBSD/Plan
9/;s/Theo/9whacko/ and we've got your entire posting history on this
mailing list. the similarity is uncanny.
Yeah. I'd really like to like OpenBSD. Technically, it's superb. It's
smooth, polished, well documented --- it's got a
On Wed, Nov 5, 2008 at 5:53 PM, Eris Discordia [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Please forgive the repeated messages. It didn't appear in my mail client's
Sent view after I hit send. Thought it might have been lost so I re-wrote
it.
i expect you to start littering the web forums and mailing lists
... would you really honestly say that rolling out your
own notes forwarder is a *neat* trick? As opposed to
be able to use basic system's FS functionality?
ok, how would you implement it, then? how would you deliver a note to
a process that's running on a remote machine? would you be
I would like to be able to import the /proc (or similar) filesystem from
the remote machine and bind it over the files that my local kernel uses
to send notes to the proxy process. That's how my ideal world model
would work. Observe how that was also the first suggestion on the notes
thief
could it be that the equals sign (=) you typed in /lib/ndb/auth is not
the normal equals sign (ascii 3d) but the equal sign of another
encoding? that could be the reason why your /lib/ndb/auth can't be
pasted properly in an email and can't be parsed correctly by
tokenize().
and then there are those who eat too much :D
Given that you weren't running the auth server, how was logging in as bootes
working?
both factotums already contained the auth keys for the user bootes so
the authentication code probably short-circuited the auth process. i'm
away from a plan9 installation so i can't verify with actual code.
i don't want to hear anyone complain about the plan9 gui anymore, lest
they be cast into the world of LoseThos:
http://www.losethos.com/
from the website:
The LoseThos IBM PC Operating System
x86_64, open source, free, public domain
[...]
PROMISES:
1) LoseThos will always run everything in
d00dz, you're getting too caught-up in this whole gui thing and
failing to see the forest for the tree. take a look around on that
site. watch one or two of the demo videos, check the documentation
out...
i guarantee you, you've never seen anything like this before (except
for the part where grep
I think that with a bit more work, porting the Ocaml native compiler
to Plan 9 would give you a bigger benefit than GHC (which is unwieldy)
or an interpreter such as Hugs. Having a higher-level language in
which to write native applications will, perhaps, give more people a
viable reason to
can you report timings on the xscreensaver hacks (link at bottom)?
they have a benchmarking option -b S which lets you see how many fps
they're doing:
mk all; for (i in 8.*) { echo -n $i^': '; $i -b 5 }
would run each hack for 5 seconds and let you know what their fps is.
i used to get
i have Charles's version here:
http://mirtchovski.com/p9/netkey.tgz
On Tue, Dec 2, 2008 at 5:09 PM, erik quanstrom [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
i'm sorry for what should be an obvious question.
does anyone know of a standalone netkey for unix,
mac or windows?
- erik
i'll send you the latest i have in private.
is the keyboard horrendous?
it is. both the aspire and the Asus Eee PC make my chubby fingers
suffer. monitor is also tiny (especially on the Eee). i'm sticking
with the macbook as the smallest still usable for programming laptop,
especially since i can stick an sufficiently large SSD drive in
i have a slightly unrelated question: what do you get if you use 'fcp'
instead of 'cp' for the same file over tcp and il?
thanks
cpu -h $sysname -u vdharani
Well, I guess I really got spoiled by ZFS's ability to do things like
$ zfs snapshot pool/projects/f...@yourtextgoeshere
at the console type snap. if you're allowing snaps to be mounted on
the local fs then the equivalent would be mkdir /YourTextGoesHere;
bind /n/dump/... /
i'm using zfs right now for a project storing a few terabytes worth of
data and vm images. i have two zfs servers and about 10 pools of
different sizes with several hundred different zfs filesystems and
volumes of raw disk exported via iscsi. clones play a vital part in
the whole set up (they
Is it how it was from the get go, or did you use venti-based solutions
before?
it's how i found it.
i have two zfs servers and about 10 pools of
different sizes with several hundred different zfs filesystems and
volumes of raw disk exported via iscsi.
What kind of clients are on the other
On Thu, Jan 22, 2009 at 10:50 AM, lu...@proxima.alt.za wrote:
use the dump, luke. ☺
If there was an easy, foolproof way to scan the dump by filename, I
presume I could search for the earliest instance and consider that the
time of creation. Not entirely viable, is it?
history(1)
A quick look at npfs and spfs suggests that neither support p9sk1 auth? Am
I misreading?
one user-level 9p server/client which supports p9sk1 is Tim's python 9P library.
I AM OUTRAGED AT YOUR IGNORANCE!
yes, we do.
On Thu, Jan 29, 2009 at 9:25 AM, Akshat Kumar
aku...@mail.nanosouffle.net wrote:
I plan to outrage with ignorance...
Do we have TeX native to Plan 9?
ak
also, can you please remove debugging output from 9fans?
On the first hand again, given the occasional reports of replica hosed me
I'm not terribly keen on trusting
given the occasional reports of software X hosed me (for any and all
X), i don't think we should be terribly keen on using computers at
all.
you're taking all the fun out of complaining :(
On Thu, Feb 19, 2009 at 10:28 PM, Andrew Simmons kod...@gmail.com wrote:
Is this exchange part of the script for the forthcoming reality TV
show Harold and Kumar go to Murray Hill ?
your horrible joke gave me an idea to photochop jmk and brucee in this pic:
'page'. font files are just bitmaps. some alpha-blended, but still
bitmaps. cd /lib/font and look around.
On Fri, Feb 27, 2009 at 7:06 PM, John Barham jbar...@gmail.com wrote:
Is there a program that will render some subset of a font file so that
you get a quick feel for what it looks like?
On Fri, Feb 27, 2009 at 7:10 PM, andrey mirtchovski
mirtchov...@gmail.com wrote:
'page'. font files are just bitmaps. some alpha-blended, but still
bitmaps. cd /lib/font and look around.
err, by 'font files' i mean the files referenced by .font files, not
the .font files themselves, which
there's bdf2subf from Skip's collection: http://www.9netics.com/who/fst/
and then ttf2subf came around. i don't know who created it, i don't
think it was me. i fixed some bugs and host it on my site, but the
originator is not credited (or i missed to credit them).
if nobody replies to your email, would you report an error?
or, if you prefer:
if a linker has nothing to link (in the forest), should everybody hear about it?
:)
Does it have any sense to create a 0 byte executable file?
Success or failure? Can you execute it?
Garbage-in, Garbage-out
Or perhaps, since the user went to trouble of making sure the file
didn't exist and then creating the empty file, the compiler and linker
felt it would be rude if they didn't do something with it?
you can call Plan 9 whatever you'd like, but don't call it impolite :)
the ssd drives we've
(coraid) tested have been spectacular --- reading at 200mb/s.
you know, i've read all the reviews and seen all the windows
benchmarks. but this info, coming from somebody on this list, is much
more assuring than all the slashdot articles.
the tests didn't involve plan9 by
that's quite interesting, and i suspect you've discovered a bug.
actually two bugs, maybe. one has to deal with drawing alpha-blended
images, the other with drawing using RGBA32...
the simplest way to trigger the second bug, which may or may not be
related to the first, is to draw using black,
but it doesn't: the red is drawn as blue, the green switches to pink
in the middle, and blue is drawn as red and cyan...
only the white is alpha-blended correctly.
On Wed, Mar 4, 2009 at 2:32 PM, erik quanstrom quans...@coraid.com wrote:
it looks fine on a native plan 9 386 terminal.
- erik
to see how it should look when drawn correctly use type = ARGB32 and
RGB24 for black's allocimage(). see attached.
the alpha blending still works because when downgrading from
ARGB32-RGB24 (for drawing onto black) the library still takes the
source color from black without issues. the bugs appear
are you saying that you see the correct image but wee see the png
differently? can you convert it to gif instead of png?
On Wed, Mar 4, 2009 at 2:44 PM, erik quanstrom quans...@coraid.com wrote:
i didn't do a hex dump. it must be displayed differently
outside of plan 9.
- erik
the jpg file you attached doesn't look like a jpg file :(
On Wed, Mar 4, 2009 at 2:53 PM, erik quanstrom quans...@coraid.com wrote:
this is a picture of what this looks like on my screen.
your attached png is 4 stripes of
white-blue
blue-blue
magenta-blue
cyan-blue
- erik
ok, those all exhibit the incorrect blending behaviour, would you not agree?
here's a .jpg that shows the correct behaviour and that should render
properly on Plan9. I just tried RGB24.png and it indeed renders
incorrectly in 9vx the way you're describing it. the jpg should be the
benchmark for
however it won't fix the program that you originally
sent.
the fix (if you can call sidestepping the problem :a fix) for the
original program is to use RGB24 as the channel for black's
allocimage():
black = allocimage(display, Rect(0, 0, Dx(screen-r),
Dy(screen-r)), RGB24, 0, DBlack);
in the case of 9vx running on Linux it's x8r8g8b8, drawterm on osx is
also x8r8g8b8.
here's how it breaks down drawing to display:
sourcedestination error
XRGB32 XRGB32 no
XBGR32 XRGB32 no
ARGB32 XRGB32 yes (see
just for fun, the attached file should run the whole gamut of
allocimage chan options in the 32-bit range (with RGB24 thrown in for
good measure) and will create files in /tmp for each possible
combination without involving drawing to the screen display (ideally
this should be done in memdraw, i
ok, i think i am close, but i can go no further. here's what i did:
- view all images through ppm instead of png. what that means is that
i can do toppm $i $i.ppm in 9vx and then see them on the hosting
Linux. since ppm is rather simple (doesn't do any draw ops but just
dumps the bytes) it is
Bug #3: MUL0123 is enabled whenever the src
and dst both have 32-bit pixel width, but there is
no check that the sub-channels are in the same
order. You don't say what the image chans were
in your test, but this:
src rFF g00 b00 αFF
mask kFF αFF
dst r00 g00 b00 αFF
dst after calc
coming up: another port of the 9 code.
maybe i'm hidebound, but i hate to do concurrent
programming without channels!
me too. sign me up for alpha/beta testing.
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