Re: [9fans] Setting up Mail in Acme on the Raspberry Pi.
Hi again! The DNS problem only occurs when I try to send from the gmail account I'm using now to the Swedish domain: spray.se. An empty message comes through ending with a dot . and that's it. Thanks for all your effort to help me out! Kind Greetings, Mats 2014-11-06 20:12 GMT+01:00, Steffen Nurpmeso sdao...@yandex.com: erik quanstrom quans...@quanstro.net wrote: |On Wed Nov 5 13:20:02 EST 2014, sdao...@yandex.com wrote: | Anthony Sorace a...@9srv.net wrote: || I've been looking through the documentation and || the 9fans archive but I can't get a clear answer on || what to replace localhost.localdomain with. || ||If the recipient's mail server is being strict (but within ||the bounds of the RFCs), that name is expected to be ||the real, externally-resolvable DNS name of the ||system you're sending from. The RFCs used to be more ||lax on that point, and some servers still are, but you ||shouldn't assume you'll be able to send to arbitrary ||endpoints unless you satisfy that. | | gmail.com shouldn't care at all, so it must be his own SMTP server. | (All i know in respect to this is Yandex.(ru|com), which requires | that the hostname in the SMTP FROM: command _is_ a Yandex | address, i.e., _no mismatch_ with _who_ you claim to be, which is | |that's not what anthony claimed. he said that if you say | HELO example.com |that the following must be true |(a) dns return an a record for the query example.com, and Yes -- i think (or say, i'm sure that) gmail.com doesn't take care for that at all. Neither does Yandex. (Never tried any other free mail provider, i think they all depend on user authentication.) |(b) the ip returned must have a ptr record pointing to example.com |(this is less enforced these days due to the difficulty of \ |maintaining pointer |records.) ..So reverse lookups don't even come into play here. I'm no longer sure wether old-school really hates not to be able to perform sender verification via DNS, today a lot of pretty prominent people use those providers themselve. |i think this is compatible with what you're saying. this doesn't make |sense to me. i don't do this: | | why i had to invent a *smtp-hostname* variable for the mailer | i maintain in order to address the SMTP FROM: content directly: | |perhaps you're conflating the envelope with the message? Puh Erik, maybe -- you know, i'm a boche :) Flying over an official document is the maximum i can handle, just enough to hammer the most important facts into some long-time cells, so please excuse possible distortion of terms. Indeed, looking into RFC 5321 (i have it even in my arena): o The domain name given in the EHLO command MUST be either a primary host name (a domain name that resolves to an address RR) or, if the host has no name, an address literal, as described in Section 4.1.3 and discussed further in the EHLO discussion of Section 4.1.4. o The reserved mailbox name postmaster may be used in a RCPT command without domain qualification (see Section 4.1.1.3) and MUST be accepted if so used. So huch! SMTP communication how it actually happens in between me and the public mail providers is invalid, evil and yuck. I think i just wanted to add some value to what Anthony said. Regarding *smtp-hostname*: i think one cannot expect from what i call a normal user to understand just about anything regarding any protocol etc. internals -- for no other reasons but missing context information and maybe add lack of interest. In fact, like i said above, the same is true for me. Given that this BSD Mail derivative already has a variable called *hostname*, and that BSD / Linux systems have a hostname(1) command (even though POSIX only specifies uname(1) and documents the name of this node within an implementation-defined communications network; but POSIX.. well) i decided to name the capability to overwrite the hostname that is used in the SMTP MAIL FROM: command *smtp-hostname* (but not that the manual is really user friendly sofar). So now i'm stuck with it. But since Matt uses Google the address used in MAIL FROM: cannot be the problem anyway, since Google doesn't care wether the addresses in the messages' From: header and the SMTP MAIL FROM: command match or not (the last time i tried; i admit that the Google message i've posted doesn't really make sense in this context; oops..). --steffen
Re: [9fans] Setting up Mail in Acme on the Raspberry Pi.
On Wed Nov 5 13:20:02 EST 2014, sdao...@yandex.com wrote: Anthony Sorace a...@9srv.net wrote: | I've been looking through the documentation and | the 9fans archive but I can't get a clear answer on | what to replace localhost.localdomain with. | |If the recipient's mail server is being strict (but within |the bounds of the RFCs), that name is expected to be |the real, externally-resolvable DNS name of the |system you're sending from. The RFCs used to be more |lax on that point, and some servers still are, but you |shouldn't assume you'll be able to send to arbitrary |endpoints unless you satisfy that. gmail.com shouldn't care at all, so it must be his own SMTP server. (All i know in respect to this is Yandex.(ru|com), which requires that the hostname in the SMTP FROM: command _is_ a Yandex address, i.e., _no mismatch_ with _who_ you claim to be, which is that's not what anthony claimed. he said that if you say HELO example.com that the following must be true (a) dns return an a record for the query example.com, and (b) the ip returned must have a ptr record pointing to example.com (this is less enforced these days due to the difficulty of maintaining pointer records.) i think this is compatible with what you're saying. this doesn't make sense to me. i don't do this: why i had to invent a *smtp-hostname* variable for the mailer i maintain in order to address the SMTP FROM: content directly: perhaps you're conflating the envelope with the message? - erik
Re: [9fans] Setting up Mail in Acme on the Raspberry Pi.
erik quanstrom quans...@quanstro.net wrote: |On Wed Nov 5 13:20:02 EST 2014, sdao...@yandex.com wrote: | Anthony Sorace a...@9srv.net wrote: || I've been looking through the documentation and || the 9fans archive but I can't get a clear answer on || what to replace localhost.localdomain with. || ||If the recipient's mail server is being strict (but within ||the bounds of the RFCs), that name is expected to be ||the real, externally-resolvable DNS name of the ||system you're sending from. The RFCs used to be more ||lax on that point, and some servers still are, but you ||shouldn't assume you'll be able to send to arbitrary ||endpoints unless you satisfy that. | | gmail.com shouldn't care at all, so it must be his own SMTP server. | (All i know in respect to this is Yandex.(ru|com), which requires | that the hostname in the SMTP FROM: command _is_ a Yandex | address, i.e., _no mismatch_ with _who_ you claim to be, which is | |that's not what anthony claimed. he said that if you say | HELO example.com |that the following must be true |(a) dns return an a record for the query example.com, and Yes -- i think (or say, i'm sure that) gmail.com doesn't take care for that at all. Neither does Yandex. (Never tried any other free mail provider, i think they all depend on user authentication.) |(b) the ip returned must have a ptr record pointing to example.com |(this is less enforced these days due to the difficulty of \ |maintaining pointer |records.) ..So reverse lookups don't even come into play here. I'm no longer sure wether old-school really hates not to be able to perform sender verification via DNS, today a lot of pretty prominent people use those providers themselve. |i think this is compatible with what you're saying. this doesn't make |sense to me. i don't do this: | | why i had to invent a *smtp-hostname* variable for the mailer | i maintain in order to address the SMTP FROM: content directly: | |perhaps you're conflating the envelope with the message? Puh Erik, maybe -- you know, i'm a boche :) Flying over an official document is the maximum i can handle, just enough to hammer the most important facts into some long-time cells, so please excuse possible distortion of terms. Indeed, looking into RFC 5321 (i have it even in my arena): o The domain name given in the EHLO command MUST be either a primary host name (a domain name that resolves to an address RR) or, if the host has no name, an address literal, as described in Section 4.1.3 and discussed further in the EHLO discussion of Section 4.1.4. o The reserved mailbox name postmaster may be used in a RCPT command without domain qualification (see Section 4.1.1.3) and MUST be accepted if so used. So huch! SMTP communication how it actually happens in between me and the public mail providers is invalid, evil and yuck. I think i just wanted to add some value to what Anthony said. Regarding *smtp-hostname*: i think one cannot expect from what i call a normal user to understand just about anything regarding any protocol etc. internals -- for no other reasons but missing context information and maybe add lack of interest. In fact, like i said above, the same is true for me. Given that this BSD Mail derivative already has a variable called *hostname*, and that BSD / Linux systems have a hostname(1) command (even though POSIX only specifies uname(1) and documents the name of this node within an implementation-defined communications network; but POSIX.. well) i decided to name the capability to overwrite the hostname that is used in the SMTP MAIL FROM: command *smtp-hostname* (but not that the manual is really user friendly sofar). So now i'm stuck with it. But since Matt uses Google the address used in MAIL FROM: cannot be the problem anyway, since Google doesn't care wether the addresses in the messages' From: header and the SMTP MAIL FROM: command match or not (the last time i tried; i admit that the Google message i've posted doesn't really make sense in this context; oops..). --steffen
Re: [9fans] Setting up Mail in Acme on the Raspberry Pi.
Hi again Y'all! Sad to say I haven't been able to send a mail with any content more than a . using Acme (desåite all the help I've received from you guys; thanks by the way). It seems that the problem is the domain name. With localhost.localdomain I get a mail through to the recipient but I get error messages about unresolvable dns. I've tried several (even my ip) but all fail in one way or another. I've been looking through the documentation and the 9fans archive but I can't get a clear answer on what to replace localhost.localdomain with. If anyone can enlighten me in this matter I would be very grateful. Kind Greetings, Mats 2014-11-04 5:24 GMT+01:00, erik quanstrom quans...@quanstro.net: On Fri Oct 31 14:10:52 EDT 2014, sdao...@yandex.com wrote: erik quanstrom quans...@quanstro.net wrote: |that thread's about p9p not plan 9, and i don't see the error \ |at hand in the output. Well i do see hints from Erik. In that thread, that is. I consider that is.. something.. oh, yes. i see now. it follows directly from the fact that i commented on the correct ratio of broken pencils to dried up pens, and on the dissertation some aspects of the ethoecology of richardson's ground squirrel that the two are directly related. my bad. ;-) seriously, the error is important. - erik p.s. did you go 3rd person on me? that's so meta.
Re: [9fans] Setting up Mail in Acme on the Raspberry Pi.
I've been looking through the documentation and the 9fans archive but I can't get a clear answer on what to replace localhost.localdomain with. If the recipient's mail server is being strict (but within the bounds of the RFCs), that name is expected to be the real, externally-resolvable DNS name of the system you're sending from. The RFCs used to be more lax on that point, and some servers still are, but you shouldn't assume you'll be able to send to arbitrary endpoints unless you satisfy that.
Re: [9fans] Setting up Mail in Acme on the Raspberry Pi.
And that could be obtained how? 2014-11-04 15:27 GMT+01:00, Steffen Nurpmeso sdao...@yandex.com: erik quanstrom quans...@quanstro.net wrote: | |on the dissertation some |aspects of the ethoecology of richardson's ground squirrel that the two |are directly related. This becomes really interesting. Squirrels.., these girls and boys are really a kind of an occupying sort. Almost addictive. And emphatic. That i can understand. I've downloaded it. Just a few weeks ago a disaster happened why i had a walk, a young squirrel girl tried to hide behind a trunk and jumped off to another tree once i started talking to her (i have seen such hiding in a much, much better way before), but unfortunately not taking into account the bending of the trunk at all, falling down from four or five meters! Luckily immediately stepping forward and jumping on her target.. but damn, what a shock we both had. | |my bad. |;-) If it were like that!!! Afaik the american squirrel slowly dispels the (smaller) german Eichhörnchen from the remains of the german forest! And isn't it hard enough as it is??? Sorry for that unacademic point of view, i have a little Arche in between the Autobahn and railroad tracks where i place some food for birds, which attracts squirrels and mice too, and it is ever so surprising how reflective and emphatic all the mentioned species are. (In an environment which practically has no more healthy trees, but only dead and ill ones.) |seriously, the error is important. Plan9 definetely requires will and desire in order to be used by a normal end-user; but especially if something doesn't work right out of the box. Network configuration is really horrible for fools like me, for example. Someone should sit down and spend a year working on that... imho. |p.s. did you go 3rd person on me? that's so meta. Me? No. After the first year, only ear tags were used for permanent identification. --steffen
Re: [9fans] Setting up Mail in Acme on the Raspberry Pi.
I mean: How can I get the DNS name of my machine using Plan 9 on a Raspberry Pi? I've tried the names I can come up with but nada. Please help me out!!! 2014-11-05 19:21 GMT+01:00, Mats Olsson plan9@gmail.com: And that could be obtained how? 2014-11-04 15:27 GMT+01:00, Steffen Nurpmeso sdao...@yandex.com: erik quanstrom quans...@quanstro.net wrote: | |on the dissertation some |aspects of the ethoecology of richardson's ground squirrel that the two |are directly related. This becomes really interesting. Squirrels.., these girls and boys are really a kind of an occupying sort. Almost addictive. And emphatic. That i can understand. I've downloaded it. Just a few weeks ago a disaster happened why i had a walk, a young squirrel girl tried to hide behind a trunk and jumped off to another tree once i started talking to her (i have seen such hiding in a much, much better way before), but unfortunately not taking into account the bending of the trunk at all, falling down from four or five meters! Luckily immediately stepping forward and jumping on her target.. but damn, what a shock we both had. | |my bad. |;-) If it were like that!!! Afaik the american squirrel slowly dispels the (smaller) german Eichhörnchen from the remains of the german forest! And isn't it hard enough as it is??? Sorry for that unacademic point of view, i have a little Arche in between the Autobahn and railroad tracks where i place some food for birds, which attracts squirrels and mice too, and it is ever so surprising how reflective and emphatic all the mentioned species are. (In an environment which practically has no more healthy trees, but only dead and ill ones.) |seriously, the error is important. Plan9 definetely requires will and desire in order to be used by a normal end-user; but especially if something doesn't work right out of the box. Network configuration is really horrible for fools like me, for example. Someone should sit down and spend a year working on that... imho. |p.s. did you go 3rd person on me? that's so meta. Me? No. After the first year, only ear tags were used for permanent identification. --steffen
Re: [9fans] Setting up Mail in Acme on the Raspberry Pi.
Hi again! The password I have is one that would be just the same if typed on any western keyboard. So I don't think that this is the problem. The mail gets through to the recipient but it only contains the mailaddress and a dot like . nothing more. Kind greetings, Mats PS I gave up on gmail and I'm now trying to send an e-mail to a Swedish address though from a gmail address DS 2014-11-05 19:38 GMT+01:00, Steffen Nurpmeso sdao...@yandex.com: Mats Olsson plan9@gmail.com wrote: |I mean: How can I get the DNS name of my machine using Plan 9 on a |Raspberry Pi? I've tried the names I can come up with but nada. Please |help me out!!! Well i have no idea what your problem is, sorry :) Iirc from back in October you already contacted gmail.com, but the authentication failed, right? So DNS can't be the problem. Kurt H Maier followed the error link, as i did, too. Try to change the password to all lowercase ASCII letters and then see if it still fails: Maybe encoding via web interface and what gets passed from within Plan9 is mixed up. I did manage to setup a machine with an 8-bit password from within the nice installer and then found myself being unable to log in because of the american keyboard mapping which didn't produce the necessary keycode. --steffen
Re: [9fans] Setting up Mail in Acme on the Raspberry Pi.
erik quanstrom quans...@quanstro.net wrote: | |on the dissertation some |aspects of the ethoecology of richardson's ground squirrel that the two |are directly related. This becomes really interesting. Squirrels.., these girls and boys are really a kind of an occupying sort. Almost addictive. And emphatic. That i can understand. I've downloaded it. Just a few weeks ago a disaster happened why i had a walk, a young squirrel girl tried to hide behind a trunk and jumped off to another tree once i started talking to her (i have seen such hiding in a much, much better way before), but unfortunately not taking into account the bending of the trunk at all, falling down from four or five meters! Luckily immediately stepping forward and jumping on her target.. but damn, what a shock we both had. | |my bad. |;-) If it were like that!!! Afaik the american squirrel slowly dispels the (smaller) german Eichhörnchen from the remains of the german forest! And isn't it hard enough as it is??? Sorry for that unacademic point of view, i have a little Arche in between the Autobahn and railroad tracks where i place some food for birds, which attracts squirrels and mice too, and it is ever so surprising how reflective and emphatic all the mentioned species are. (In an environment which practically has no more healthy trees, but only dead and ill ones.) |seriously, the error is important. Plan9 definetely requires will and desire in order to be used by a normal end-user; but especially if something doesn't work right out of the box. Network configuration is really horrible for fools like me, for example. Someone should sit down and spend a year working on that... imho. |p.s. did you go 3rd person on me? that's so meta. Me? No. After the first year, only ear tags were used for permanent identification. --steffen
Re: [9fans] Setting up Mail in Acme on the Raspberry Pi.
Anthony Sorace a...@9srv.net wrote: | I've been looking through the documentation and | the 9fans archive but I can't get a clear answer on | what to replace localhost.localdomain with. | |If the recipient's mail server is being strict (but within |the bounds of the RFCs), that name is expected to be |the real, externally-resolvable DNS name of the |system you're sending from. The RFCs used to be more |lax on that point, and some servers still are, but you |shouldn't assume you'll be able to send to arbitrary |endpoints unless you satisfy that. gmail.com shouldn't care at all, so it must be his own SMTP server. (All i know in respect to this is Yandex.(ru|com), which requires that the hostname in the SMTP FROM: command _is_ a Yandex address, i.e., _no mismatch_ with _who_ you claim to be, which is why i had to invent a *smtp-hostname* variable for the mailer i maintain in order to address the SMTP FROM: content directly: |?0[steffen@sherwood nail.git]$ echo bla|s-nail -vvdAsn_sf -s du t...@bo.org | EHLO yandex.com | AUTH PLAIN | ... | MAIL FROM:sdao...@yandex.com | RCPT TO:t...@bo.org | DATA | Date: Wed, 05 Nov 2014 19:11:33 +0100 | From: sdao...@users.sf.net (Steffen Nurpmeso) | To: t...@bo.org | Subject: du | Message-ID: 20141105181133.j3jtd1iu%sdao...@yandex.com | User-Agent: s-nail v14.7.8-70-g9310369 | MIME-Version: 1.0 | Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII | Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit | | bla | . | QUIT |?0[steffen@sherwood nail.git]$ echo bla|s-nail -vvdAsn_gm -s du t...@bo.org | EHLO gmail.com | STARTTLS | EHLO gmail.com | AUTH PLAIN | ... | MAIL FROM:sdao...@gmail.com | RCPT TO:t...@bo.org | DATA | Date: Wed, 05 Nov 2014 19:11:45 +0100 | From: Steffen Nurpmeso sdao...@gmail.com | To: t...@bo.org | Subject: du | Message-ID: 20141105181145.kun5nikj%sdao...@gmail.com | User-Agent: s-nail v14.7.8-70-g9310369 | MIME-Version: 1.0 | Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII | Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit | | bla | . | QUIT) --steffen
Re: [9fans] Setting up Mail in Acme on the Raspberry Pi.
Mats Olsson plan9@gmail.com wrote: |And that could be obtained how? A german squirrel? ? Hm... you could try it... :-)) (for nature.) But unfortunately, in the modern world... Most promising seems to me driving-over by car. And indeed equally shocking stories Erik's father (i think he is) has to tell in his dissertation. One female was also shot by a man. I have forgotten his name. All i had to say this man: [1]. Don't you miss _that_! [1] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jVWDNq558AM Ciao! --steffen
Re: [9fans] Setting up Mail in Acme on the Raspberry Pi.
Mats Olsson plan9@gmail.com wrote: |I mean: How can I get the DNS name of my machine using Plan 9 on a |Raspberry Pi? I've tried the names I can come up with but nada. Please |help me out!!! Well i have no idea what your problem is, sorry :) Iirc from back in October you already contacted gmail.com, but the authentication failed, right? So DNS can't be the problem. Kurt H Maier followed the error link, as i did, too. Try to change the password to all lowercase ASCII letters and then see if it still fails: Maybe encoding via web interface and what gets passed from within Plan9 is mixed up. I did manage to setup a machine with an 8-bit password from within the nice installer and then found myself being unable to log in because of the american keyboard mapping which didn't produce the necessary keycode. --steffen
Re: [9fans] Setting up Mail in Acme on the Raspberry Pi.
Hi all! I can't get through to any gmail account however I try but I got through to another account but the mail was not containing anything. I must be doing something wrong. I've tried like this: term % acme -f /lib/font/bit/lucidasans/latin1.10.font (I like this font in acme) Detete the last column so that I only have one large. Middleclicking on NEW so I get a new window. Then I type my message in the new window. Type the line: ;upas/smtp -d -a -h localhost.localdomain net!smtp.spray.se plan9.meo@gmail x...@spray.se Mark this line and middleclick on it to execute. To this e-mail address (substituted with xxx) I get error messages but an empty mail get through. If someone could point out what I'm doing wrong I'd very grateful. Kind Greetings and thanks for all the help I've been given so far, Mats PS I've changed all the settings in my installation of plan 9 on the Raspberry Pi according to the way Richard Miller suggested DS 2014-10-31 22:53 GMT+01:00, Mats Olsson plan9@gmail.com: Hi again Richard! Thanks a lot for your advise! Will try it out ASAP. Yours Sincerely, Mats 2014-10-31 22:14 GMT+01:00, Richard Miller 9f...@hamnavoe.com: To send mail from acme on native Plan 9 via gmail, this is what just worked for me: - make sure the last line of /mail/lib/rewrite is ([^!]*)!(.*) | /mail/lib/qmail '\s' 'net!$smtp' '\2@\1' - change /mail/lib/remotemail to add the '-a' flag to smtp exec /bin/upas/smtp -a -d -h $fd $addr $sender $* - define $smtp for my local network in /lib/ndb/local ipnet=localnet ip=192.168.0.0 ipmask=255.255.0.0 smtp=smtp.gmail.com ntp=pool.ntp.org ... - give factotum the password for my gmail account auth/factotum -g 'proto=pass service=smtp server=smtp.gmail.com user? !password?' - add a tls thumbprint for the gmail server to /sys/lib/tls/smtp x509 sha1=9C0ACC931DE7513790616BA11828679554C569A8 server=smtp.gmail.com (I found the hash by trying to send once, then looking in /sys/log/smtp) - finally, after receiving a Google Account: sign-in attempt blocked email from google, followed their suggestion to: change your settings at https://www.google.com/settings/security/lesssecureapps so that your account is no longer protected by modern security standards. I guess upas/smtp is considered a less secure app. BTW, when having trouble sending email it's often useful to look in /sys/log/smtp and /sys/log/smtp.fail
Re: [9fans] Setting up Mail in Acme on the Raspberry Pi.
Hi all! I can't get through to any gmail account however I try but I got through to another account but the mail was not containing anything. I must be doing something wrong. I've tried like this: term % acme -f /lib/font/bit/lucidasans/latin1.10.font (I like this font in acme) Delete the last column so that I only have one large. Middleclicking on NEW so I get a new window. Then I type my message in the new window. Type the line: ;upas/smtp -d -a -h localhost.localdomain net!smtp.spray.se plan9.meo@gmail x...@spray.se Mark this line and middleclick on it to execute. To this e-mail address (substituted with xxx) I get an error messages in Acme but an empty mail get through. If someone could point out what I'm doing wrong I'd be very grateful. Kind Greetings and thanks for all the help I've been given so far, Mats PS I've changed all the settings in my installation of plan 9 on the Raspberry Pi according to the way Richard Miller suggested DS 2014-10-31 22:53 GMT+01:00, Mats Olsson plan9@gmail.com: Hi again Richard! Thanks a lot for your advise! Will try it out ASAP. Yours Sincerely, Mats 2014-10-31 22:14 GMT+01:00, Richard Miller 9f...@hamnavoe.com: To send mail from acme on native Plan 9 via gmail, this is what just worked for me: - make sure the last line of /mail/lib/rewrite is ([^!]*)!(.*) | /mail/lib/qmail '\s' 'net!$smtp' '\2@\1' - change /mail/lib/remotemail to add the '-a' flag to smtp exec /bin/upas/smtp -a -d -h $fd $addr $sender $* - define $smtp for my local network in /lib/ndb/local ipnet=localnet ip=192.168.0.0 ipmask=255.255.0.0 smtp=smtp.gmail.com ntp=pool.ntp.org ... - give factotum the password for my gmail account auth/factotum -g 'proto=pass service=smtp server=smtp.gmail.com user? !password?' - add a tls thumbprint for the gmail server to /sys/lib/tls/smtp x509 sha1=9C0ACC931DE7513790616BA11828679554C569A8 server=smtp.gmail.com (I found the hash by trying to send once, then looking in /sys/log/smtp) - finally, after receiving a Google Account: sign-in attempt blocked email from google, followed their suggestion to: change your settings at https://www.google.com/settings/security/lesssecureapps so that your account is no longer protected by modern security standards. I guess upas/smtp is considered a less secure app. BTW, when having trouble sending email it's often useful to look in /sys/log/smtp and /sys/log/smtp.fail
Re: [9fans] Setting up Mail in Acme on the Raspberry Pi.
You must set the dot to all the text (mark all the text, for example type ':,' in the tag line and click it with buttom 3) and then execute in the tag 'upas/smtp -d -a ...' Don't forget the '', read acme(1). trebol.
Re: [9fans] Setting up Mail in Acme on the Raspberry Pi.
Type the line: ;upas/smtp -d -a -h localhost.localdomain net!smtp.spray.se plan9.meo@gmail x...@spray.se i haven't done this by hand for a while but i see a few problems 1. -h localhost.localdomain violates the rfc. the rfc demands that the (E)HELO line contain a name that's resolvable in public dns. 2. the proper arguments looks incorrect. from smtp(8) upas/smtp [ -aAdfipst ] [ -b busted-mx ] ... [ -g gateway ] [ -h host ] [ -u user ] [ .domain ] destaddr sender rcpt-list that would give .domain = net!smtp.spray.se (!) destaddr= plan9.meo@gmail sender = x...@spray.se i'm pretty sure that the .domain argument is not as intended, from the man page: Finally if .domain is given, it is appended to the end of any unqualified system names in the envelope or header. Mark this line and middleclick on it to execute. To this e-mail address (substituted with xxx) I get an error messages in Acme but an empty mail get through. If someone could point out what I'm doing wrong I'd be very grateful. - erik
Re: [9fans] Setting up Mail in Acme on the Raspberry Pi.
On Sat Nov 1 08:25:30 EDT 2014, charles.fors...@gmail.com wrote: On 27 October 2014 19:10, erik quanstrom quans...@quanstro.net wrote: it's not complicated. permissions work like unix. It's actually simpler but more powerful: groups are just users with members instead of a distinct thing; membership of a group is checked by the relevant file server and not the local kernel; group membership depends on the user name at the file server, not a separate group ID or list of current groups; and permission is allowed by the first of owner, group and other in that order. like being a lazy term of art meaning similar, but not the same as. :-) i was being lazy about explaining the fact that groups have been implemented as you mention is not essential. a file server can do this any way it pleases. the kernels are famous (or notorious) for not doing group permissions at all. - erik
Re: [9fans] Setting up Mail in Acme on the Raspberry Pi.
On Fri Oct 31 14:10:52 EDT 2014, sdao...@yandex.com wrote: erik quanstrom quans...@quanstro.net wrote: |that thread's about p9p not plan 9, and i don't see the error \ |at hand in the output. Well i do see hints from Erik. In that thread, that is. I consider that is.. something.. oh, yes. i see now. it follows directly from the fact that i commented on the correct ratio of broken pencils to dried up pens, and on the dissertation some aspects of the ethoecology of richardson's ground squirrel that the two are directly related. my bad. ;-) seriously, the error is important. - erik p.s. did you go 3rd person on me? that's so meta.
Re: [9fans] Setting up Mail in Acme on the Raspberry Pi.
Hi Anthony! Very informative link, thanks! Kind greetings, Mats 2014-11-01 1:14 GMT+01:00, Anthony Martin al...@pbrane.org: Richard Miller 9f...@hamnavoe.com once said: - finally, after receiving a Google Account: sign-in attempt blocked email from google, followed their suggestion to: change your settings at https://www.google.com/settings/security/lesssecureapps so that your account is no longer protected by modern security standards. I guess upas/smtp is considered a less secure app. Embrace, extend, and ... well, you know the rest. http://forums.mozillazine.org/viewtopic.php?f=39t=2852231 Anthony
Re: [9fans] Setting up Mail in Acme on the Raspberry Pi.
embrace, extend, snuff? :) if anyone wants to give it a try, there is enough Go code -- packages and samples -- to make it less painful. here's a sample [0] OAuth2-based web server (resource provider) that works with Google (identity provider). it runs on Plan 9, but each instance will need its own client ID and client secret from Developer Console. the code for installed app should be similar [1] with auth tokens coming through a redirect to localhost rather than accessing a web address. the access token can then be forward to imap4 or smtp [2] -Skip [0] https://gist.github.com/9nut/1f883d857369a279f289#file-oa2srv-go [1] https://developers.google.com/accounts/docs/OAuth2InstalledApp [2] https://developers.google.com/gmail/xoauth2_protocol On Fri, Oct 31, 2014 at 5:14 PM, Anthony Martin al...@pbrane.org wrote: Richard Miller 9f...@hamnavoe.com once said: - finally, after receiving a Google Account: sign-in attempt blocked email from google, followed their suggestion to: change your settings at https://www.google.com/settings/security/lesssecureapps so that your account is no longer protected by modern security standards. I guess upas/smtp is considered a less secure app. Embrace, extend, and ... well, you know the rest. http://forums.mozillazine.org/viewtopic.php?f=39t=2852231 Anthony
Re: [9fans] Setting up Mail in Acme on the Raspberry Pi.
On 1 November 2014 00:14, Anthony Martin al...@pbrane.org wrote: account is no longer protected by modern security standards. And they tout OAuth2 instead? What could possibly go wrong?
Re: [9fans] Setting up Mail in Acme on the Raspberry Pi.
On 27 October 2014 19:10, erik quanstrom quans...@quanstro.net wrote: it's not complicated. permissions work like unix. It's actually simpler but more powerful: groups are just users with members instead of a distinct thing; membership of a group is checked by the relevant file server and not the local kernel; group membership depends on the user name at the file server, not a separate group ID or list of current groups; and permission is allowed by the first of owner, group and other in that order.
Re: [9fans] Setting up Mail in Acme on the Raspberry Pi.
Hi all of you! Thanks for all the help you've given me to get this far using the Plan 9 OS on a Raspberry Pi! I can now retrieve mail from the gmail accounts I've tried. It works well but, even though it doesn't make sense to me, I can't send e-mail to those accounts. I just get the error message that I posted a while ago. Now I've tried an updated installation (pulled the sources and compiled and installed) but the error message keeps coming up. Don't know what to do next. If anyone has a solution to this problem I would be truly grateful to receive it. Even if it's just a hint how to solve it. Sincerely Yours, Mats 2014-10-30 17:14 GMT+01:00, Mats Olsson plan9@gmail.com: Hi Erik! FYI my middle name is Erik. I'm kind of leaning towards an ssl problem since gmail require ssl to receive e-mail. 2014-10-30 17:11 GMT+01:00, Mats Olsson plan9@gmail.com: Well that is what I meant with changing configuration since the level of security was lowered with this action. In other words security configuration. 2014-10-30 17:00 GMT+01:00, erik quanstrom quans...@quanstro.net: could it be that with recent ssl/tls bugs, and the general fix being to turn sslv3 off, plan 9 ssl isn't up to talking to gmail? - erik
Re: [9fans] Setting up Mail in Acme on the Raspberry Pi.
Mats Olsson plan9@gmail.com wrote: Hi all of you! Thanks for all the help you've given me to get this far using the Plan 9 OS on a Raspberry Pi! I can now retrieve mail from the gmail accounts I've tried. It works well but, even though it doesn't make sense to me, I can't send e-mail to those accounts. I just get the error message that I posted a while ago. Now I've tried an updated installation (pulled the sources and compiled and installed) but the error message keeps coming up. Don't know what to do next. If anyone has a solution to this problem I would be truly grateful to receive it. Even if it's just a hint how to solve it. Sincerely Yours, Mats 2014-10-30 17:14 GMT+01:00, Mats Olsson plan9@gmail.com: Hi Erik! FYI my middle name is Erik. I'm kind of leaning towards an ssl problem since gmail require ssl to receive e-mail. 2014-10-30 17:11 GMT+01:00, Mats Olsson plan9@gmail.com: Well that is what I meant with changing configuration since the level of security was lowered with this action. In other words security configuration. 2014-10-30 17:00 GMT+01:00, erik quanstrom quans...@quanstro.net: could it be that with recent ssl/tls bugs, and the general fix being to turn sslv3 off, plan 9 ssl isn't up to talking to gmail? - erik
Re: [9fans] Setting up Mail in Acme on the Raspberry Pi.
Hi trebol! Thanks for your response! Will check it out ASAP. Kind Regards, Mats 2014-10-31 11:59 GMT+01:00, trebol tre...@india.com: You can try other smtp server. If the problem is in the authorization with Google, remember that you can use heirloom's mailx. I compiled it in plan9 some time ago, and I don't remember any trouble. The configuration is a child game. Good luck. trebol.
Re: [9fans] Setting up Mail in Acme on the Raspberry Pi.
On Fri Oct 31 09:10:50 EDT 2014, sdao...@yandex.com wrote: Mats Olsson plan9@gmail.com wrote: |error message keeps coming up. Don't know what to do next. If anyone |has a solution to this problem I would be truly grateful to receive |it. Even if it's just a hint how to solve it. Have you read this thread already? https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/comp.os.plan9/QJ095OvrvvI that thread's about p9p not plan 9, and i don't see the error at hand in the output. - erik
Re: [9fans] Setting up Mail in Acme on the Raspberry Pi.
Mats Olsson plan9@gmail.com wrote: |error message keeps coming up. Don't know what to do next. If anyone |has a solution to this problem I would be truly grateful to receive |it. Even if it's just a hint how to solve it. Have you read this thread already? https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/comp.os.plan9/QJ095OvrvvI --steffen
Re: [9fans] Setting up Mail in Acme on the Raspberry Pi.
I have read bits of it before and now just about all. It's kind of confusing since some are using different ports of Plan 9 and to figure out what would apply on my setup on the Raspberry Pi. Have copied some thoughts that seems useful and will ponder over them. Thanks for your help! Since I'm new to Plan 9 I need all help I can get. Kind greetings, Mats 2014-10-31 14:30 GMT+01:00, erik quanstrom quans...@quanstro.net: On Fri Oct 31 09:10:50 EDT 2014, sdao...@yandex.com wrote: Mats Olsson plan9@gmail.com wrote: |error message keeps coming up. Don't know what to do next. If anyone |has a solution to this problem I would be truly grateful to receive |it. Even if it's just a hint how to solve it. Have you read this thread already? https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/comp.os.plan9/QJ095OvrvvI that thread's about p9p not plan 9, and i don't see the error at hand in the output. - erik
Re: [9fans] Setting up Mail in Acme on the Raspberry Pi.
erik quanstrom quans...@quanstro.net wrote: |that thread's about p9p not plan 9, and i don't see the error \ |at hand in the output. Well i do see hints from Erik. In that thread, that is. I consider that is.. something.. --steffen
Re: [9fans] Setting up Mail in Acme on the Raspberry Pi.
sorry for the delay, it's 1/2 term and I have kids to entertain. the (*) would print as a carriage return if your font had the character. I am on my phone here so no manuals , but I wonder if gmail objects to plain passwords over an unencrypted link? I think SMTP has a flag to force tls on, and to use macrame or digest auth. worth a try, it looks ok to me on the plan9 side. I used to use gmail but haven't for several years, but my old setup looked like yours. -Steve On 30 Oct 2014, at 11:13, Mats Olsson plan9@gmail.com wrote: Hi Steve! First I want to mention that I've added the login information to factotum prior to trying to send an e-mail from Acme. I open a new window in Acme and type in the body of the mail. Afterward I type in the tag line: ;upas/smtp -d -a -h localhost.localdomain net!smtp.gmail.com mye-mail recipiente-mail Then I get this error message: Sending /net/dns 'smtp.gmail.com mx' dns: dns: resource does not exist; negrcode 0 mxdial trying /net/net!smtp.gmail.com!smtp 220 mx.google.com ESMTP k72974791lak.22 – gsmtp (*) EHLO plan9.168.0.118 (*) 250 - mx.google.com at your service,[109.225.120.180] (*) 250 – SIZE 35882577 (*) 250 – 8BITMIME (*) 250 – STARTTLS (*) 250 – ENHANCEDSTATUSCODES (*) 250 – PIPELINING (*) 250 – CHUNKING (*) 250 – SMTPUTF8 (*) STARTTLS (*) 220 2.0.0 Ready to start TLS (*) EHLO plan9.168.0.118 (*) 250 – mx.google.com at your service, [109.225.120.180] (*) 250 – SIZE 35882577 (*) 250 – 8BITMIME (*) 250 – AUTH LOGIN PLAIN XOAUTH XOAUTH2 PLAIN-CLIENTTOKEN OAUTHBEARER (*) 250 – ENHANCEDSTATUSCODES (*) 250 – PIPELINING (*) 250 – CHUNKING (*) 250 – SMTPUTF8 (*) AUTH LOGIN 334 VXNlcm5hbWU6 (*) ZHJ5NjmbHK= (*) 535 – 5.7.8 Username and Password bot accepted. Learn more at (*) 535 5.7.8 http://support.google.com/mail/bin/answer.py?answer=14257 k7sm2974971lak22 – gsmtp (*) 535 – 5.7.8 Username and Password bot accepted. Learn more at (*) 535 5.7.8 http://support.google.com/mail/bin/answer.py?answer=14257 k7sm2974971lak22 – gsmtp QUIT(*) 221 2.0.0 closing connection k7sm2974971lak22 – gsmtp (*) rc 280: smtp 281: Retry, Temporary Failure NOTE BY ME: (*) stands for a sign looking like a messy backwards eurosign maybe covering a final character. I would be inmensly appreciative if you or anyone else could shed some light on what's missing. Yours Sincerely, Mats 2014-10-29 22:58 GMT+01:00, Steve Simon st...@quintile.net: Can you send the complete log when sending the email. You can prevent the window that appears when sending mail by teaching factotum the passwords for your mail provider. Just so we can see the complete conversation with gmail and get a better understanding of what went wrong. I assume you have worked you way through this: http://www.plan9.bell-labs.com/wiki/plan9/mail_configuration/index.html particularly with reference to the section on SMTP TLS auth -Steve
Re: [9fans] Setting up Mail in Acme on the Raspberry Pi.
Hi Steve! Thanks for your reply! I'll check it out ASAP. When it comes to the (*) sign I put it there as a substitution for a character that looked like a really jagged and pixelized backwards euro sign that I just dont know what it means. Thanks again! Kind Regards, Mats 2014-10-31 20:35 GMT+01:00, Quintile st...@quintile.net: sorry for the delay, it's 1/2 term and I have kids to entertain. the (*) would print as a carriage return if your font had the character. I am on my phone here so no manuals , but I wonder if gmail objects to plain passwords over an unencrypted link? I think SMTP has a flag to force tls on, and to use macrame or digest auth. worth a try, it looks ok to me on the plan9 side. I used to use gmail but haven't for several years, but my old setup looked like yours. -Steve On 30 Oct 2014, at 11:13, Mats Olsson plan9@gmail.com wrote: Hi Steve! First I want to mention that I've added the login information to factotum prior to trying to send an e-mail from Acme. I open a new window in Acme and type in the body of the mail. Afterward I type in the tag line: ;upas/smtp -d -a -h localhost.localdomain net!smtp.gmail.com mye-mail recipiente-mail Then I get this error message: Sending /net/dns 'smtp.gmail.com mx' dns: dns: resource does not exist; negrcode 0 mxdial trying /net/net!smtp.gmail.com!smtp 220 mx.google.com ESMTP k72974791lak.22 – gsmtp (*) EHLO plan9.168.0.118 (*) 250 - mx.google.com at your service,[109.225.120.180] (*) 250 – SIZE 35882577 (*) 250 – 8BITMIME (*) 250 – STARTTLS (*) 250 – ENHANCEDSTATUSCODES (*) 250 – PIPELINING (*) 250 – CHUNKING (*) 250 – SMTPUTF8 (*) STARTTLS (*) 220 2.0.0 Ready to start TLS (*) EHLO plan9.168.0.118 (*) 250 – mx.google.com at your service, [109.225.120.180] (*) 250 – SIZE 35882577 (*) 250 – 8BITMIME (*) 250 – AUTH LOGIN PLAIN XOAUTH XOAUTH2 PLAIN-CLIENTTOKEN OAUTHBEARER (*) 250 – ENHANCEDSTATUSCODES (*) 250 – PIPELINING (*) 250 – CHUNKING (*) 250 – SMTPUTF8 (*) AUTH LOGIN 334 VXNlcm5hbWU6 (*) ZHJ5NjmbHK= (*) 535 – 5.7.8 Username and Password bot accepted. Learn more at (*) 535 5.7.8 http://support.google.com/mail/bin/answer.py?answer=14257 k7sm2974971lak22 – gsmtp (*) 535 – 5.7.8 Username and Password bot accepted. Learn more at (*) 535 5.7.8 http://support.google.com/mail/bin/answer.py?answer=14257 k7sm2974971lak22 – gsmtp QUIT(*) 221 2.0.0 closing connection k7sm2974971lak22 – gsmtp (*) rc 280: smtp 281: Retry, Temporary Failure NOTE BY ME: (*) stands for a sign looking like a messy backwards eurosign maybe covering a final character. I would be inmensly appreciative if you or anyone else could shed some light on what's missing. Yours Sincerely, Mats 2014-10-29 22:58 GMT+01:00, Steve Simon st...@quintile.net: Can you send the complete log when sending the email. You can prevent the window that appears when sending mail by teaching factotum the passwords for your mail provider. Just so we can see the complete conversation with gmail and get a better understanding of what went wrong. I assume you have worked you way through this: http://www.plan9.bell-labs.com/wiki/plan9/mail_configuration/index.html particularly with reference to the section on SMTP TLS auth -Steve
Re: [9fans] Setting up Mail in Acme on the Raspberry Pi.
To send mail from acme on native Plan 9 via gmail, this is what just worked for me: - make sure the last line of /mail/lib/rewrite is ([^!]*)!(.*)| /mail/lib/qmail '\s' 'net!$smtp' '\2@\1' - change /mail/lib/remotemail to add the '-a' flag to smtp exec /bin/upas/smtp -a -d -h $fd $addr $sender $* - define $smtp for my local network in /lib/ndb/local ipnet=localnet ip=192.168.0.0 ipmask=255.255.0.0 smtp=smtp.gmail.com ntp=pool.ntp.org ... - give factotum the password for my gmail account auth/factotum -g 'proto=pass service=smtp server=smtp.gmail.com user? !password?' - add a tls thumbprint for the gmail server to /sys/lib/tls/smtp x509 sha1=9C0ACC931DE7513790616BA11828679554C569A8 server=smtp.gmail.com (I found the hash by trying to send once, then looking in /sys/log/smtp) - finally, after receiving a Google Account: sign-in attempt blocked email from google, followed their suggestion to: change your settings at https://www.google.com/settings/security/lesssecureapps so that your account is no longer protected by modern security standards. I guess upas/smtp is considered a less secure app. BTW, when having trouble sending email it's often useful to look in /sys/log/smtp and /sys/log/smtp.fail
Re: [9fans] Setting up Mail in Acme on the Raspberry Pi.
Hi again Richard! Thanks a lot for your advise! Will try it out ASAP. Yours Sincerely, Mats 2014-10-31 22:14 GMT+01:00, Richard Miller 9f...@hamnavoe.com: To send mail from acme on native Plan 9 via gmail, this is what just worked for me: - make sure the last line of /mail/lib/rewrite is ([^!]*)!(.*) | /mail/lib/qmail '\s' 'net!$smtp' '\2@\1' - change /mail/lib/remotemail to add the '-a' flag to smtp exec /bin/upas/smtp -a -d -h $fd $addr $sender $* - define $smtp for my local network in /lib/ndb/local ipnet=localnet ip=192.168.0.0 ipmask=255.255.0.0 smtp=smtp.gmail.com ntp=pool.ntp.org ... - give factotum the password for my gmail account auth/factotum -g 'proto=pass service=smtp server=smtp.gmail.com user? !password?' - add a tls thumbprint for the gmail server to /sys/lib/tls/smtp x509 sha1=9C0ACC931DE7513790616BA11828679554C569A8 server=smtp.gmail.com (I found the hash by trying to send once, then looking in /sys/log/smtp) - finally, after receiving a Google Account: sign-in attempt blocked email from google, followed their suggestion to: change your settings at https://www.google.com/settings/security/lesssecureapps so that your account is no longer protected by modern security standards. I guess upas/smtp is considered a less secure app. BTW, when having trouble sending email it's often useful to look in /sys/log/smtp and /sys/log/smtp.fail
Re: [9fans] Setting up Mail in Acme on the Raspberry Pi.
Richard Miller 9f...@hamnavoe.com once said: - finally, after receiving a Google Account: sign-in attempt blocked email from google, followed their suggestion to: change your settings at https://www.google.com/settings/security/lesssecureapps so that your account is no longer protected by modern security standards. I guess upas/smtp is considered a less secure app. Embrace, extend, and ... well, you know the rest. http://forums.mozillazine.org/viewtopic.php?f=39t=2852231 Anthony
Re: [9fans] Setting up Mail in Acme on the Raspberry Pi.
Hi Steve! First I want to mention that I've added the login information to factotum prior to trying to send an e-mail from Acme. I open a new window in Acme and type in the body of the mail. Afterward I type in the tag line: ;upas/smtp -d -a -h localhost.localdomain net!smtp.gmail.com mye-mail recipiente-mail Then I get this error message: Sending /net/dns 'smtp.gmail.com mx' dns: dns: resource does not exist; negrcode 0 mxdial trying /net/net!smtp.gmail.com!smtp 220 mx.google.com ESMTP k72974791lak.22 – gsmtp (*) EHLO plan9.168.0.118 (*) 250 - mx.google.com at your service,[109.225.120.180] (*) 250 – SIZE 35882577 (*) 250 – 8BITMIME (*) 250 – STARTTLS (*) 250 – ENHANCEDSTATUSCODES (*) 250 – PIPELINING (*) 250 – CHUNKING (*) 250 – SMTPUTF8 (*) STARTTLS (*) 220 2.0.0 Ready to start TLS (*) EHLO plan9.168.0.118 (*) 250 – mx.google.com at your service, [109.225.120.180] (*) 250 – SIZE 35882577 (*) 250 – 8BITMIME (*) 250 – AUTH LOGIN PLAIN XOAUTH XOAUTH2 PLAIN-CLIENTTOKEN OAUTHBEARER (*) 250 – ENHANCEDSTATUSCODES (*) 250 – PIPELINING (*) 250 – CHUNKING (*) 250 – SMTPUTF8 (*) AUTH LOGIN 334 VXNlcm5hbWU6 (*) ZHJ5NjmbHK= (*) 535 – 5.7.8 Username and Password bot accepted. Learn more at (*) 535 5.7.8 http://support.google.com/mail/bin/answer.py?answer=14257 k7sm2974971lak22 – gsmtp (*) 535 – 5.7.8 Username and Password bot accepted. Learn more at (*) 535 5.7.8 http://support.google.com/mail/bin/answer.py?answer=14257 k7sm2974971lak22 – gsmtp QUIT(*) 221 2.0.0 closing connection k7sm2974971lak22 – gsmtp (*) rc 280: smtp 281: Retry, Temporary Failure NOTE BY ME: (*) stands for a sign looking like a messy backwards eurosign maybe covering a final character. I would be inmensly appreciative if you or anyone else could shed some light on what's missing. Yours Sincerely, Mats 2014-10-29 22:58 GMT+01:00, Steve Simon st...@quintile.net: Can you send the complete log when sending the email. You can prevent the window that appears when sending mail by teaching factotum the passwords for your mail provider. Just so we can see the complete conversation with gmail and get a better understanding of what went wrong. I assume you have worked you way through this: http://www.plan9.bell-labs.com/wiki/plan9/mail_configuration/index.html particularly with reference to the section on SMTP TLS auth -Steve
Re: [9fans] Setting up Mail in Acme on the Raspberry Pi.
Quoting Mats Olsson plan9@gmail.com: 535 – 5.7.8 Username and Password bot accepted. Learn more at (*) 535 5.7.8 http://support.google.com/mail/bin/answer.py?answer=14257 Did you read the linked web page? khm
Re: [9fans] Setting up Mail in Acme on the Raspberry Pi.
Yes, I did and I made changes in the configuration of that mail box accordingly but it still does give the same error message. 2014-10-30 15:08 GMT+01:00, Kurt H Maier k...@sciops.net: Quoting Mats Olsson plan9@gmail.com: 535 – 5.7.8 Username and Password bot accepted. Learn more at (*) 535 5.7.8 http://support.google.com/mail/bin/answer.py?answer=14257 Did you read the linked web page? khm
Re: [9fans] Setting up Mail in Acme on the Raspberry Pi.
Quoting Mats Olsson plan9@gmail.com: Yes, I did and I made changes in the configuration of that mail box accordingly but it still does give the same error message. That website doesn't say anything about changing configuration. Did you perform the unlock captcha? khm
Re: [9fans] Setting up Mail in Acme on the Raspberry Pi.
could it be that with recent ssl/tls bugs, and the general fix being to turn sslv3 off, plan 9 ssl isn't up to talking to gmail? - erik
Re: [9fans] Setting up Mail in Acme on the Raspberry Pi.
Well that is what I meant with changing configuration since the level of security was lowered with this action. In other words security configuration. 2014-10-30 17:00 GMT+01:00, erik quanstrom quans...@quanstro.net: could it be that with recent ssl/tls bugs, and the general fix being to turn sslv3 off, plan 9 ssl isn't up to talking to gmail? - erik
Re: [9fans] Setting up Mail in Acme on the Raspberry Pi.
Hi Erik! FYI my middle name is Erik. I'm kind of leaning towards an ssl problem since gmail require ssl to receive e-mail. 2014-10-30 17:11 GMT+01:00, Mats Olsson plan9@gmail.com: Well that is what I meant with changing configuration since the level of security was lowered with this action. In other words security configuration. 2014-10-30 17:00 GMT+01:00, erik quanstrom quans...@quanstro.net: could it be that with recent ssl/tls bugs, and the general fix being to turn sslv3 off, plan 9 ssl isn't up to talking to gmail? - erik
Re: [9fans] Setting up Mail in Acme on the Raspberry Pi.
Hi guys! OK, now I can get my mail but not send mail. This is what I've done: Changed the header file in /mail/box/$user/headers (since it didn't exist i filled in the below). Added my login information to factotum according to the docs. Sent email to the server like this: ;upas/smtp -d -a -h localhost.localdomain net!smtp.gmail.com myemail recipiente-mail a window shows up like when retrieving mail to fill in the password A lot of thing are going on but terminates in Username and Password not accepted Temporary failure, Retry (all the time) The command: ;tail -1 /sys/log/smtp results in the following: myipaddr. the time and TLS started to smtp.gmail.com So obviously I'm missing something that I can't find in the documentation or the wiki. I would be eternally grateful if someone could shed some light on this. The only thing I can come up with is that the machinename is wrong but I've tried several with the same result. So, please help me out. Kind greetings, Mats 2014-10-27 20:10 GMT+01:00, erik quanstrom quans...@quanstro.net: On Mon Oct 27 12:34:58 EDT 2014, lu...@proxima.alt.za wrote: one does not have to put eve in adm or especially sys. in fact, i think this makes one's system significantly less secure. It's complicated, in that access controls are enforced by distinct entities with potentially very distinct criteria. Trying to conceive all possible combination of clients, servers and third-party authenticators can lead to massive migraines. it's not complicated. permissions work like unix. there is simply a lack of the unix requirement that the owner of the file server be the owner of the cpu server. certainly one could require different creds for the same user on every host, but we don't do that. - erik
Re: [9fans] Setting up Mail in Acme on the Raspberry Pi.
Hi again! Forgot to mention that I've installed the sha fingerprint for the smtp.gmail.server. -Mats 2014-10-29 22:43 GMT+01:00, Mats Olsson plan9@gmail.com: Hi guys! OK, now I can get my mail but not send mail. This is what I've done: Changed the header file in /mail/box/$user/headers (since it didn't exist i filled in the below). Added my login information to factotum according to the docs. Sent email to the server like this: ;upas/smtp -d -a -h localhost.localdomain net!smtp.gmail.com myemail recipiente-mail a window shows up like when retrieving mail to fill in the password A lot of thing are going on but terminates in Username and Password not accepted Temporary failure, Retry (all the time) The command: ;tail -1 /sys/log/smtp results in the following: myipaddr. the time and TLS started to smtp.gmail.com So obviously I'm missing something that I can't find in the documentation or the wiki. I would be eternally grateful if someone could shed some light on this. The only thing I can come up with is that the machinename is wrong but I've tried several with the same result. So, please help me out. Kind greetings, Mats 2014-10-27 20:10 GMT+01:00, erik quanstrom quans...@quanstro.net: On Mon Oct 27 12:34:58 EDT 2014, lu...@proxima.alt.za wrote: one does not have to put eve in adm or especially sys. in fact, i think this makes one's system significantly less secure. It's complicated, in that access controls are enforced by distinct entities with potentially very distinct criteria. Trying to conceive all possible combination of clients, servers and third-party authenticators can lead to massive migraines. it's not complicated. permissions work like unix. there is simply a lack of the unix requirement that the owner of the file server be the owner of the cpu server. certainly one could require different creds for the same user on every host, but we don't do that. - erik
Re: [9fans] Setting up Mail in Acme on the Raspberry Pi.
Can you send the complete log when sending the email. You can prevent the window that appears when sending mail by teaching factotum the passwords for your mail provider. Just so we can see the complete conversation with gmail and get a better understanding of what went wrong. I assume you have worked you way through this: http://www.plan9.bell-labs.com/wiki/plan9/mail_configuration/index.html particularly with reference to the section on SMTP TLS auth -Steve
Re: [9fans] Setting up Mail in Acme on the Raspberry Pi.
Under plan9 the user who boots a machine has rights to its filesystem, so unless you are accessing a remote plan9 file server which is running an auth server I doubt your problems are to do with administration rights. in practice, it often works out this way. especially because the file server typically drops a console that allows even to put the file system into allow mode. but it doesn't have to be this way. strictly speaking, the hostowner has no special rights at all. and the file system is not necessarly co-located on your cpu server. this is the difference between eve and root on unix. one does not have to put eve in adm or especially sys. in fact, i think this makes one's system significantly less secure. - erik
Re: [9fans] Setting up Mail in Acme on the Raspberry Pi.
one does not have to put eve in adm or especially sys. in fact, i think this makes one's system significantly less secure. It's complicated, in that access controls are enforced by distinct entities with potentially very distinct criteria. Trying to conceive all possible combination of clients, servers and third-party authenticators can lead to massive migraines. That said, it's good to have the options. Specially knowing that your root does not by default have the same privileges on my equipment as my root does. Lucio. - This email has been scanned by the MxScan Email Security System. -
Re: [9fans] Setting up Mail in Acme on the Raspberry Pi.
On Mon Oct 27 12:34:58 EDT 2014, lu...@proxima.alt.za wrote: one does not have to put eve in adm or especially sys. in fact, i think this makes one's system significantly less secure. It's complicated, in that access controls are enforced by distinct entities with potentially very distinct criteria. Trying to conceive all possible combination of clients, servers and third-party authenticators can lead to massive migraines. it's not complicated. permissions work like unix. there is simply a lack of the unix requirement that the owner of the file server be the owner of the cpu server. certainly one could require different creds for the same user on every host, but we don't do that. - erik
Re: [9fans] Setting up Mail in Acme on the Raspberry Pi.
I've deleted fortune now so it doesn't confuse or distract me. 2014-10-23 23:03 GMT+02:00, Winston Kodogo kod...@gmail.com: Well, to clarify, in the old days, if a Windows function call failed, you'd call GetLastError to get a numerical error code, and FormatMessage to get a string describing the error, So if the error code was 0, meaning that the windows call succeeded, FormatMessage would return The operation completed successfully. Obviously that's completely stupid. On 24 October 2014 09:45, Winston Kodogo kod...@gmail.com wrote: Now I'm even more confused than normal. cpu: can't dial: plan9.lanl.gov: The operation completed successfully. This is a Windows error message? On 23 October 2014 09:04, Quintile st...@quintile.net wrote: I fear a gnu style recursive definition coming on... -Steve On 22 Oct 2014, at 19:14, Skip Tavakkolian skip.tavakkol...@gmail.com wrote: i think this situation is more fortune-worthy than the fortune that caused it. On Wed, Oct 22, 2014 at 8:19 AM, Mats Olsson plan9@gmail.com wrote: I kind of had a feeling it was that way because when installing again on another card, I got another message with this: If you think out loud you're about to get a lot of ememies; as the bottom line (don't remember the exact words). 2014-10-22 17:12 GMT+02:00, Kurt H Maier k...@sciops.net: Quoting Charles Forsyth charles.fors...@gmail.com: On 22 October 2014 15:34, Kurt H Maier k...@sciops.net wrote: Quoting Mats Olsson plan9@gmail.com: cpu: can't dial: plan9.lanl.gov: The operation completed successfully. this exact error message is in the fortunes file. oh well, that explains that: obviously the rio start-up on the pi runs fortunes, to aid debugging. That is precisely what is happening. The startup script Steve Simon sent runs his logwin script, which looks like this: #!/bin/rc fortune calendar -y news echo exec rc -i ...now compare Mats' output: cpu: can't dial: plan9.lanl.gov: The operation completed successfully. calendar: can't open /usr/glenda/lib/calendar: '/usr/glenda/lib/calendar' does not exist khm
Re: [9fans] Setting up Mail in Acme on the Raspberry Pi.
Now I'm even more confused than normal. cpu: can't dial: plan9.lanl.gov: The operation completed successfully. This is a Windows error message? On 23 October 2014 09:04, Quintile st...@quintile.net wrote: I fear a gnu style recursive definition coming on... -Steve On 22 Oct 2014, at 19:14, Skip Tavakkolian skip.tavakkol...@gmail.com wrote: i think this situation is more fortune-worthy than the fortune that caused it. On Wed, Oct 22, 2014 at 8:19 AM, Mats Olsson plan9@gmail.com wrote: I kind of had a feeling it was that way because when installing again on another card, I got another message with this: If you think out loud you're about to get a lot of ememies; as the bottom line (don't remember the exact words). 2014-10-22 17:12 GMT+02:00, Kurt H Maier k...@sciops.net: Quoting Charles Forsyth charles.fors...@gmail.com: On 22 October 2014 15:34, Kurt H Maier k...@sciops.net wrote: Quoting Mats Olsson plan9@gmail.com: cpu: can't dial: plan9.lanl.gov: The operation completed successfully. this exact error message is in the fortunes file. oh well, that explains that: obviously the rio start-up on the pi runs fortunes, to aid debugging. That is precisely what is happening. The startup script Steve Simon sent runs his logwin script, which looks like this: #!/bin/rc fortune calendar -y news echo exec rc -i ...now compare Mats' output: cpu: can't dial: plan9.lanl.gov: The operation completed successfully. calendar: can't open /usr/glenda/lib/calendar: '/usr/glenda/lib/calendar' does not exist khm
Re: [9fans] Setting up Mail in Acme on the Raspberry Pi.
It was actually the output of fortune. On 23 Oct 2014 21:47, Winston Kodogo kod...@gmail.com wrote: Now I'm even more confused than normal. cpu: can't dial: plan9.lanl.gov: The operation completed successfully. This is a Windows error message? On 23 October 2014 09:04, Quintile st...@quintile.net wrote: I fear a gnu style recursive definition coming on... -Steve On 22 Oct 2014, at 19:14, Skip Tavakkolian skip.tavakkol...@gmail.com wrote: i think this situation is more fortune-worthy than the fortune that caused it. On Wed, Oct 22, 2014 at 8:19 AM, Mats Olsson plan9@gmail.com wrote: I kind of had a feeling it was that way because when installing again on another card, I got another message with this: If you think out loud you're about to get a lot of ememies; as the bottom line (don't remember the exact words). 2014-10-22 17:12 GMT+02:00, Kurt H Maier k...@sciops.net: Quoting Charles Forsyth charles.fors...@gmail.com: On 22 October 2014 15:34, Kurt H Maier k...@sciops.net wrote: Quoting Mats Olsson plan9@gmail.com: cpu: can't dial: plan9.lanl.gov: The operation completed successfully. this exact error message is in the fortunes file. oh well, that explains that: obviously the rio start-up on the pi runs fortunes, to aid debugging. That is precisely what is happening. The startup script Steve Simon sent runs his logwin script, which looks like this: #!/bin/rc fortune calendar -y news echo exec rc -i ...now compare Mats' output: cpu: can't dial: plan9.lanl.gov: The operation completed successfully. calendar: can't open /usr/glenda/lib/calendar: '/usr/glenda/lib/calendar' does not exist khm
Re: [9fans] Setting up Mail in Acme on the Raspberry Pi.
Well, to clarify, in the old days, if a Windows function call failed, you'd call GetLastError to get a numerical error code, and FormatMessage to get a string describing the error, So if the error code was 0, meaning that the windows call succeeded, FormatMessage would return The operation completed successfully. Obviously that's completely stupid. On 24 October 2014 09:45, Winston Kodogo kod...@gmail.com wrote: Now I'm even more confused than normal. cpu: can't dial: plan9.lanl.gov: The operation completed successfully. This is a Windows error message? On 23 October 2014 09:04, Quintile st...@quintile.net wrote: I fear a gnu style recursive definition coming on... -Steve On 22 Oct 2014, at 19:14, Skip Tavakkolian skip.tavakkol...@gmail.com wrote: i think this situation is more fortune-worthy than the fortune that caused it. On Wed, Oct 22, 2014 at 8:19 AM, Mats Olsson plan9@gmail.com wrote: I kind of had a feeling it was that way because when installing again on another card, I got another message with this: If you think out loud you're about to get a lot of ememies; as the bottom line (don't remember the exact words). 2014-10-22 17:12 GMT+02:00, Kurt H Maier k...@sciops.net: Quoting Charles Forsyth charles.fors...@gmail.com: On 22 October 2014 15:34, Kurt H Maier k...@sciops.net wrote: Quoting Mats Olsson plan9@gmail.com: cpu: can't dial: plan9.lanl.gov: The operation completed successfully. this exact error message is in the fortunes file. oh well, that explains that: obviously the rio start-up on the pi runs fortunes, to aid debugging. That is precisely what is happening. The startup script Steve Simon sent runs his logwin script, which looks like this: #!/bin/rc fortune calendar -y news echo exec rc -i ...now compare Mats' output: cpu: can't dial: plan9.lanl.gov: The operation completed successfully. calendar: can't open /usr/glenda/lib/calendar: '/usr/glenda/lib/calendar' does not exist khm
Re: [9fans] Setting up Mail in Acme on the Raspberry Pi.
Hi Steve! Thanks a lot! Now auth/fgui is running from start. But I got some error messages though. The shell window that came up looked like this: cpu: can't dial: plan9.lanl.gov: The operation completed successfully. calendar: can't open /usr/glenda/lib/calendar: '/usr/glenda/lib/calendar' does not exist term % Warmest greetings, Mats 2014-10-21 14:58 GMT+02:00, Steve Simon st...@quintile.net: Hi, Definitely not a raspberry pi thing. I use a raspberry pi at home as a terminal and start auth/fgui from my startup script just as you are retuing to do. Try replicating my environment: Attached are my scripts: startup - what I call riostart logwin - starts first terminal window put these scripts into $home/bin/rc and chmod them to 755 to make them executable. I have this line in my $home/lib/profile where it starts rio: exec rio -s -i startup To test this you can open a window in rio and type exec rio -s -i startup and you will get a child rio in this window. fgui will be running but hidden until its needed, you can manually unhide it but it doesn't refresh its window until it wants to prompt the user so its just a blank window To see fgui just select it from the menu on B3 of the mouse. you should also get stats, faces, and a clock. you probably won't get a radio as the PI doesn't have an audio driver by default yet and you would need to install my radio tuner package first anyway. -Steve
Re: [9fans] Setting up Mail in Acme on the Raspberry Pi.
On 22 October 2014 10:06, Mats Olsson plan9@gmail.com wrote: cpu: can't dial: plan9.lanl.gov: The operation completed successfully. That The operation completed successfully is not a native Plan 9 message, surely? It looks like a Linux message. And it's stupid.
Re: [9fans] Setting up Mail in Acme on the Raspberry Pi.
On 22 October 2014 11:32, Charles Forsyth charles.fors...@gmail.com wrote: That The operation completed successfully is not a native Plan 9 message, surely? It looks like a Linux message. And it's stupid. My mistake: it's a Windows error. Is it someone's new value for Egreg?
Re: [9fans] Setting up Mail in Acme on the Raspberry Pi.
Don't kill the messenger! 2014-10-22 12:35 GMT+02:00, Charles Forsyth charles.fors...@gmail.com: On 22 October 2014 11:32, Charles Forsyth charles.fors...@gmail.com wrote: That The operation completed successfully is not a native Plan 9 message, surely? It looks like a Linux message. And it's stupid. My mistake: it's a Windows error. Is it someone's new value for Egreg?
Re: [9fans] Setting up Mail in Acme on the Raspberry Pi.
cpu: can't dial: plan9.lanl.gov: The operation completed successfully. You using cinap's cpud for windows? calendar: can't open /usr/glenda/lib/calendar: '/usr/glenda/lib/calendar' does not exist You just need to create it. touch /usr/glenda/lib/calendar see calendar(1) -Steve
Re: [9fans] Setting up Mail in Acme on the Raspberry Pi.
On 22 October 2014 13:24, Mats Olsson plan9@gmail.com wrote: Don't kill the messenger! No, not at all! I couldn't work out what you could be running to cause that.
Re: [9fans] Setting up Mail in Acme on the Raspberry Pi.
That makes two of us. 2014-10-22 15:29 GMT+02:00, Charles Forsyth charles.fors...@gmail.com: On 22 October 2014 13:24, Mats Olsson plan9@gmail.com wrote: Don't kill the messenger! No, not at all! I couldn't work out what you could be running to cause that.
Re: [9fans] Setting up Mail in Acme on the Raspberry Pi.
Quoting Mats Olsson plan9@gmail.com: cpu: can't dial: plan9.lanl.gov: The operation completed successfully. this exact error message is in the fortunes file. khm
Re: [9fans] Setting up Mail in Acme on the Raspberry Pi.
On 22 October 2014 15:34, Kurt H Maier k...@sciops.net wrote: Quoting Mats Olsson plan9@gmail.com: cpu: can't dial: plan9.lanl.gov: The operation completed successfully. this exact error message is in the fortunes file. oh well, that explains that: obviously the rio start-up on the pi runs fortunes, to aid debugging.
Re: [9fans] Setting up Mail in Acme on the Raspberry Pi.
Quoting Charles Forsyth charles.fors...@gmail.com: On 22 October 2014 15:34, Kurt H Maier k...@sciops.net wrote: Quoting Mats Olsson plan9@gmail.com: cpu: can't dial: plan9.lanl.gov: The operation completed successfully. this exact error message is in the fortunes file. oh well, that explains that: obviously the rio start-up on the pi runs fortunes, to aid debugging. That is precisely what is happening. The startup script Steve Simon sent runs his logwin script, which looks like this: #!/bin/rc fortune calendar -y news echo exec rc -i ...now compare Mats' output: cpu: can't dial: plan9.lanl.gov: The operation completed successfully. calendar: can't open /usr/glenda/lib/calendar: '/usr/glenda/lib/calendar' does not exist khm
Re: [9fans] Setting up Mail in Acme on the Raspberry Pi.
I kind of had a feeling it was that way because when installing again on another card, I got another message with this: If you think out loud you're about to get a lot of ememies; as the bottom line (don't remember the exact words). 2014-10-22 17:12 GMT+02:00, Kurt H Maier k...@sciops.net: Quoting Charles Forsyth charles.fors...@gmail.com: On 22 October 2014 15:34, Kurt H Maier k...@sciops.net wrote: Quoting Mats Olsson plan9@gmail.com: cpu: can't dial: plan9.lanl.gov: The operation completed successfully. this exact error message is in the fortunes file. oh well, that explains that: obviously the rio start-up on the pi runs fortunes, to aid debugging. That is precisely what is happening. The startup script Steve Simon sent runs his logwin script, which looks like this: #!/bin/rc fortune calendar -y news echo exec rc -i ...now compare Mats' output: cpu: can't dial: plan9.lanl.gov: The operation completed successfully. calendar: can't open /usr/glenda/lib/calendar: '/usr/glenda/lib/calendar' does not exist khm
Re: [9fans] Setting up Mail in Acme on the Raspberry Pi.
i think this situation is more fortune-worthy than the fortune that caused it. On Wed, Oct 22, 2014 at 8:19 AM, Mats Olsson plan9@gmail.com wrote: I kind of had a feeling it was that way because when installing again on another card, I got another message with this: If you think out loud you're about to get a lot of ememies; as the bottom line (don't remember the exact words). 2014-10-22 17:12 GMT+02:00, Kurt H Maier k...@sciops.net: Quoting Charles Forsyth charles.fors...@gmail.com: On 22 October 2014 15:34, Kurt H Maier k...@sciops.net wrote: Quoting Mats Olsson plan9@gmail.com: cpu: can't dial: plan9.lanl.gov: The operation completed successfully. this exact error message is in the fortunes file. oh well, that explains that: obviously the rio start-up on the pi runs fortunes, to aid debugging. That is precisely what is happening. The startup script Steve Simon sent runs his logwin script, which looks like this: #!/bin/rc fortune calendar -y news echo exec rc -i ...now compare Mats' output: cpu: can't dial: plan9.lanl.gov: The operation completed successfully. calendar: can't open /usr/glenda/lib/calendar: '/usr/glenda/lib/calendar' does not exist khm
Re: [9fans] Setting up Mail in Acme on the Raspberry Pi.
I fear a gnu style recursive definition coming on... -Steve On 22 Oct 2014, at 19:14, Skip Tavakkolian skip.tavakkol...@gmail.com wrote: i think this situation is more fortune-worthy than the fortune that caused it. On Wed, Oct 22, 2014 at 8:19 AM, Mats Olsson plan9@gmail.com wrote: I kind of had a feeling it was that way because when installing again on another card, I got another message with this: If you think out loud you're about to get a lot of ememies; as the bottom line (don't remember the exact words). 2014-10-22 17:12 GMT+02:00, Kurt H Maier k...@sciops.net: Quoting Charles Forsyth charles.fors...@gmail.com: On 22 October 2014 15:34, Kurt H Maier k...@sciops.net wrote: Quoting Mats Olsson plan9@gmail.com: cpu: can't dial: plan9.lanl.gov: The operation completed successfully. this exact error message is in the fortunes file. oh well, that explains that: obviously the rio start-up on the pi runs fortunes, to aid debugging. That is precisely what is happening. The startup script Steve Simon sent runs his logwin script, which looks like this: #!/bin/rc fortune calendar -y news echo exec rc -i ...now compare Mats' output: cpu: can't dial: plan9.lanl.gov: The operation completed successfully. calendar: can't open /usr/glenda/lib/calendar: '/usr/glenda/lib/calendar' does not exist khm
Re: [9fans] Setting up Mail in Acme on the Raspberry Pi.
Hi again! Tried again with different setups in riostart and I didn't get any error messages sometimes but auth/fgui didn't start but it works just fine manually. Maybe it's a Raspberry Pi thing. Kind regards from a cold Sweden, meo 2014-10-20 20:44 GMT+02:00, Mats Olsson plan9@gmail.com: Hi! Sorry for the confusion! It's easier for me to compile a kernel in linux than understand the basics of Plan 9. So, yes you're right, Plan 9 is different. But I won't give up so easy so thanks for your patience with a 15+ years linux user trying to grasp something completely different. Thanks Steve. I'll give it some more time tomorrow since I feel kind of shot right now. Busy day and a lot of travelling during the past weekend. Kindest regards, Mats 2014-10-20 19:49 GMT+02:00, Quintile st...@quintile.net: FYI I'm Steve I think some misunderstanding lib/riostart refers to a file in the lib directory in your home dir, as Rio is started in your home did. /lib/riostart is a different file. when rc(1) searches for command it does not strip the leading path like sh(1) does, so you can run commands like fs/zipfs, so you can classify commands - object orientation ? so, your script should be in lib, or bin/rc under your home directory, and this is what your script should reference. plan is different. -Steve On 20 Oct 2014, at 18:32, Mats Olsson plan9@gmail.com wrote: Hi again Peter! Thanks for your patience. I did chmod +x /path to/riostart but I still get the error message that follows: lib/script '/bin/lib' file does not exist . Since the script is in /lib I don't get the meaning of '/bin/lib' file does not exist. Well /bin/lib doesn't exist but /lib/script does. Would greatly appreciate a hint about what to do. Kind Greetings, Mats PPS Text changes when sent DDS * should be an apostrophe like before /bin 2014-10-20 19:28 GMT+02:00, Mats Olsson plan9@gmail.com: Hi again Peter! Thanks for your patience. I did chmod +x /path to/riostart but I still get the error message that follows: lib/script '/bin/lib* file does not exist . Since the script is in /lib I don't get the meaning of '/bin/lib' file does not exist. Well /bin/lib doesn't exist but /lib/script does. Would greatly appreciate a hint about what to do. Kind Greetings, Mats PS Typo corrected DS 2014-10-20 19:25 GMT+02:00, Mats Olsson plan9@gmail.com: Hi again Peter! Thanks for your patience. I did chmod +x /path to/riostart but I still get the error message that follows: lib/script '/bin/lib* file does not exist . Since the script is in /lib I don't get the meaning of '/bin/lib* file does not exist. Well /bin/lib doesn't exist but /lib/script does. Would greatly appreciate a hint about what to do. Kind Greetings, Mats 2014-10-20 13:34 GMT+02:00, Steve Simon st...@quintile.net: Under plan9 the user who boots a machine has rights to its filesystem, so unless you are accessing a remote plan9 file server which is running an auth server I doubt your problems are to do with administration rights. Somtimes plan9 will produce slightly misleading error messages, permission denied might be saying the OS will not allow you to do what you wanted because it doesn't make sense. What I suspect is that you didn't chmod your startup (riostart) script to make it executable? If this isn't the problem can you cut and paste the exact command that produced the permission denied error? I have attached my startup script for interest, it lives in my $home/bin/rc/startup (other script names are available). -Steve
Re: [9fans] Setting up Mail in Acme on the Raspberry Pi.
Hi,
Definitely not a raspberry pi thing.
I use a raspberry pi at home as a terminal and start auth/fgui from my
startup script just as you are retuing to do.
Try replicating my environment:
Attached are my scripts:
startup - what I call riostart
logwin - starts first terminal window
put these scripts into $home/bin/rc and chmod them to 755
to make them executable.
I have this line in my $home/lib/profile where it starts rio:
exec rio -s -i startup
To test this you can open a window in rio and type
exec rio -s -i startup
and you will get a child rio in this window.
fgui will be running but hidden until its needed,
you can manually unhide it but it doesn't refresh its window
until it wants to prompt the user so its just a blank window
To see fgui just select it from the menu on B3 of the mouse.
you should also get stats, faces, and a clock.
you probably won't get a radio as the PI doesn't have an audio driver
by default yet and you would need to install my radio tuner package
first anyway.
-Steve#!/bin/rc
rfork e
scr=(`{cat /dev/draw/new [2]/dev/null || status=''})
height=$scr(12)
y1=`{echo 'int(' $height '*' 0.12 ')' | hoc}
y2=`{echo 'int(' $height '*' 0.3 ')' | hoc}
y3=`{echo 'int(' $height '*' 0.7 ')' | hoc}
width=$scr(11)
x1=`{echo 'int(' $width '*' 0.1 ')' | hoc}
x2=`{echo $x1 + 1 | hoc}
x3=`{echo 'int(' $x2 + '(' $width '*' 0.5 '))' | hoc}
x4=`{echo $x3 + 1 | hoc}
x6=`{echo $width - $y1 | hoc}
x5=`{echo $x6 - 1 | hoc}
x7=`{echo $width - 1 | hoc}
if(~ $service terminal)
auth/fgui
if(~ $service terminal ! ~ $#cpu 0)
window -r 0 0 $x1 $y1 stats -lmei $sysname $cpu
if not
window -r 0 0 $x1 $y1 stats -lmei
window -r $x2 0 $x3 $y1 faces -i
if(cat /dev/volume [2] /dev/null)
window -r $x4 0 $x5 $y1 audio/tuner
window -r $x6 0 $x7 $y1 clock
window -r $x2 $y2 $x3 $y3 logwin#!/bin/rc
fortune
calendar -y
news
echo
exec rc -i
Re: [9fans] Setting up Mail in Acme on the Raspberry Pi.
Hi,
This is my first post in the list, so it is also my presentation.
Tried again with different setups in riostart and I didn't get any
error messages sometimes but auth/fgui didn't start but it works just
fine manually. Maybe it's a Raspberry Pi thing.
I am running plan9 in a raspberry and I am writing this mail with
acme. I had a problem while I was configuring the mail system, and
maybe you are having the same problem. The default profile has
something like:
prompt=('cpu% ' ' ')
fn cpu%{ $* }
startupasfs
news
if (! test -e /mnt/term/mnt/wsys) {
# cpu call from drawterm
font=/lib/font/bit/pelm/latin1.8.font
plumber
auth/factotum
exec rio -i riostart
}
You can see that startupasfs is executed before auth/factotum, so
the namespace entries created by factotum are not seen by
startupasfs. I had to change it to:
prompt=('cpu% ' ' ')
fn cpu%{ $* }
if (! test -e /mnt/term/mnt/wsys) {
# cpu call from drawterm
auth/factotum
plumber
startupasfs
mailstart
news
exec rio -i riostart
}
if not {
startupasfs
news
}
You can see that startupasfs is now called after be sure that there is
a factotum running. Maybe, this was not the problem, but in my
case it began to work after this modification.
Regards,
Re: [9fans] Setting up Mail in Acme on the Raspberry Pi.
Hi Peter! Thanks a lot for your information. This will help me further to configure Plan 9 OS on the Raspberry Pi. Thanks agai! I really appreciate this info. Kind Greetings, Mats 2014-10-20 0:26 GMT+02:00, P. D. Finn p.d.f...@gmail.com: OK now I can receive email in Acme in Plan 9 for the Raspberry Pi. I'm trying to get auth/fgui to start automatically when I start Plan 9. Have tried to put it into the profile file but it doesn't work. Any hints greatly appreciated. auth/fgui requires Rio, so it needs to load after Rio has started. I have a separate script to load a workspace in my lib directory. This script can be called when Rio starts in the profile by something like: exec rio -f $font -i lib/script Where `script' is an executable rc script which contains the lines: #!/bin/rc auth/fgui Once you have some windows arranged the way you like them you can run wloc which reproduces the commands needed to generate them. These commands can likewise be added to your login script to load a workspace. Once you have auth/fgui running, you will want to get secstore setup for your frequently-accessed credentials. Hope this helps. Best regards, Peter
Re: [9fans] Setting up Mail in Acme on the Raspberry Pi.
One more thing, for the line: exec rio -f $font -i lib/script make sure $font is correctly set or the exec of rio will fail. You can use that variable to set a different default font for rio if you like. Since you can run rio in a regular window, test the command out that way before you put it in your profile. Best, Peter ---BeginMessage--- Hi Peter! Thanks a lot for your information. This will help me further to configure Plan 9 OS on the Raspberry Pi. Thanks agai! I really appreciate this info. Kind Greetings, Mats 2014-10-20 0:26 GMT+02:00, P. D. Finn p.d.f...@gmail.com: OK now I can receive email in Acme in Plan 9 for the Raspberry Pi. I'm trying to get auth/fgui to start automatically when I start Plan 9. Have tried to put it into the profile file but it doesn't work. Any hints greatly appreciated. auth/fgui requires Rio, so it needs to load after Rio has started. I have a separate script to load a workspace in my lib directory. This script can be called when Rio starts in the profile by something like: exec rio -f $font -i lib/script Where `script' is an executable rc script which contains the lines: #!/bin/rc auth/fgui Once you have some windows arranged the way you like them you can run wloc which reproduces the commands needed to generate them. These commands can likewise be added to your login script to load a workspace. Once you have auth/fgui running, you will want to get secstore setup for your frequently-accessed credentials. Hope this helps. Best regards, Peter ---End Message---
Re: [9fans] Setting up Mail in Acme on the Raspberry Pi.
Hi Peter! I've tried the suggestion from your first post excluding $font and that made rio execute but I get a permission denied when it comes to running the script. I'm running as the default user Glenda on my Raspberry Pi. So how can I get administrative permissions? I've tried to create another user with adm and sys rights but I couldn't make it work even though I did it according to the documantation. So it seems to boil down to get administrative rights to be able to get everything to work the way I want. So if you could help me out about this I would greatly appreciate that and thanks a lot for the help you have given me up to now. Thanks again! Sincerely Yours, Mats 2014-10-20 7:28 GMT, P. D. Finn p.d.f...@gmail.com: One more thing, for the line: exec rio -f $font -i lib/script make sure $font is correctly set or the exec of rio will fail. You can use that variable to set a different default font for rio if you like. Since you can run rio in a regular window, test the command out that way before you put it in your profile. Best, Peter
Re: [9fans] Setting up Mail in Acme on the Raspberry Pi.
Under plan9 the user who boots a machine has rights to its filesystem,
so unless you are accessing a remote plan9 file server which is running
an auth server I doubt your problems are to do with administration rights.
Somtimes plan9 will produce slightly misleading error messages, permission
denied might be saying the OS will not allow you to do what you wanted
because it doesn't make sense.
What I suspect is that you didn't chmod your startup (riostart) script
to make it executable?
If this isn't the problem can you cut and paste the exact command that produced
the permission denied error?
I have attached my startup script for interest, it lives in my
$home/bin/rc/startup
(other script names are available).
-Steve#!/bin/rc
rfork e
scr=(`{cat /dev/draw/new [2]/dev/null || status=''})
height=$scr(12)
y1=`{echo 'int(' $height '*' 0.12 ')' | hoc}
y2=`{echo 'int(' $height '*' 0.3 ')' | hoc}
y3=`{echo 'int(' $height '*' 0.7 ')' | hoc}
width=$scr(11)
x1=`{echo 'int(' $width '*' 0.1 ')' | hoc}
x2=`{echo $x1 + 1 | hoc}
x3=`{echo 'int(' $x2 + '(' $width '*' 0.5 '))' | hoc}
x4=`{echo $x3 + 1 | hoc}
x6=`{echo $width - $y1 | hoc}
x5=`{echo $x6 - 1 | hoc}
x7=`{echo $width - 1 | hoc}
if(~ $service terminal)
auth/fgui
if(~ $service terminal ! ~ $#cpu 0)
window -r 0 0 $x1 $y1 stats -lmei $sysname $cpu
if not
window -r 0 0 $x1 $y1 stats -lmei
window -r $x2 0 $x3 $y1 faces -i
if(cat /dev/volume [2] /dev/null)
window -r $x4 0 $x5 $y1 audio/tuner
window -r $x6 0 $x7 $y1 clock
window -r $x2 $y2 $x3 $y3 logwin
Re: [9fans] Setting up Mail in Acme on the Raspberry Pi.
Hi again Peter! Thanks for your patience. I did chmod +x /path to/riostart but I still get the error message that follows: lib/script '/bin/lib* file does not exist . Since the script is in /lib I don't get the meaning of '/bin/lib* file does not exist. Well /bin/lib doesn't exist but /lib/script does. Would greatly appreciate a hint about what to do. Kind Greetings, Mats 2014-10-20 13:34 GMT+02:00, Steve Simon st...@quintile.net: Under plan9 the user who boots a machine has rights to its filesystem, so unless you are accessing a remote plan9 file server which is running an auth server I doubt your problems are to do with administration rights. Somtimes plan9 will produce slightly misleading error messages, permission denied might be saying the OS will not allow you to do what you wanted because it doesn't make sense. What I suspect is that you didn't chmod your startup (riostart) script to make it executable? If this isn't the problem can you cut and paste the exact command that produced the permission denied error? I have attached my startup script for interest, it lives in my $home/bin/rc/startup (other script names are available). -Steve
Re: [9fans] Setting up Mail in Acme on the Raspberry Pi.
Hi again Peter! Thanks for your patience. I did chmod +x /path to/riostart but I still get the error message that follows: lib/script '/bin/lib* file does not exist . Since the script is in /lib I don't get the meaning of '/bin/lib' file does not exist. Well /bin/lib doesn't exist but /lib/script does. Would greatly appreciate a hint about what to do. Kind Greetings, Mats PS Typo corrected DS 2014-10-20 19:25 GMT+02:00, Mats Olsson plan9@gmail.com: Hi again Peter! Thanks for your patience. I did chmod +x /path to/riostart but I still get the error message that follows: lib/script '/bin/lib* file does not exist . Since the script is in /lib I don't get the meaning of '/bin/lib* file does not exist. Well /bin/lib doesn't exist but /lib/script does. Would greatly appreciate a hint about what to do. Kind Greetings, Mats 2014-10-20 13:34 GMT+02:00, Steve Simon st...@quintile.net: Under plan9 the user who boots a machine has rights to its filesystem, so unless you are accessing a remote plan9 file server which is running an auth server I doubt your problems are to do with administration rights. Somtimes plan9 will produce slightly misleading error messages, permission denied might be saying the OS will not allow you to do what you wanted because it doesn't make sense. What I suspect is that you didn't chmod your startup (riostart) script to make it executable? If this isn't the problem can you cut and paste the exact command that produced the permission denied error? I have attached my startup script for interest, it lives in my $home/bin/rc/startup (other script names are available). -Steve
Re: [9fans] Setting up Mail in Acme on the Raspberry Pi.
Hi again Peter! Thanks for your patience. I did chmod +x /path to/riostart but I still get the error message that follows: lib/script '/bin/lib' file does not exist . Since the script is in /lib I don't get the meaning of '/bin/lib' file does not exist. Well /bin/lib doesn't exist but /lib/script does. Would greatly appreciate a hint about what to do. Kind Greetings, Mats PPS Text changes when sent DDS * should be an apostrophe like before /bin 2014-10-20 19:28 GMT+02:00, Mats Olsson plan9@gmail.com: Hi again Peter! Thanks for your patience. I did chmod +x /path to/riostart but I still get the error message that follows: lib/script '/bin/lib* file does not exist . Since the script is in /lib I don't get the meaning of '/bin/lib' file does not exist. Well /bin/lib doesn't exist but /lib/script does. Would greatly appreciate a hint about what to do. Kind Greetings, Mats PS Typo corrected DS 2014-10-20 19:25 GMT+02:00, Mats Olsson plan9@gmail.com: Hi again Peter! Thanks for your patience. I did chmod +x /path to/riostart but I still get the error message that follows: lib/script '/bin/lib* file does not exist . Since the script is in /lib I don't get the meaning of '/bin/lib* file does not exist. Well /bin/lib doesn't exist but /lib/script does. Would greatly appreciate a hint about what to do. Kind Greetings, Mats 2014-10-20 13:34 GMT+02:00, Steve Simon st...@quintile.net: Under plan9 the user who boots a machine has rights to its filesystem, so unless you are accessing a remote plan9 file server which is running an auth server I doubt your problems are to do with administration rights. Somtimes plan9 will produce slightly misleading error messages, permission denied might be saying the OS will not allow you to do what you wanted because it doesn't make sense. What I suspect is that you didn't chmod your startup (riostart) script to make it executable? If this isn't the problem can you cut and paste the exact command that produced the permission denied error? I have attached my startup script for interest, it lives in my $home/bin/rc/startup (other script names are available). -Steve
Re: [9fans] Setting up Mail in Acme on the Raspberry Pi.
FYI I'm Steve I think some misunderstanding lib/riostart refers to a file in the lib directory in your home dir, as Rio is started in your home did. /lib/riostart is a different file. when rc(1) searches for command it does not strip the leading path like sh(1) does, so you can run commands like fs/zipfs, so you can classify commands - object orientation ? so, your script should be in lib, or bin/rc under your home directory, and this is what your script should reference. plan is different. -Steve On 20 Oct 2014, at 18:32, Mats Olsson plan9@gmail.com wrote: Hi again Peter! Thanks for your patience. I did chmod +x /path to/riostart but I still get the error message that follows: lib/script '/bin/lib' file does not exist . Since the script is in /lib I don't get the meaning of '/bin/lib' file does not exist. Well /bin/lib doesn't exist but /lib/script does. Would greatly appreciate a hint about what to do. Kind Greetings, Mats PPS Text changes when sent DDS * should be an apostrophe like before /bin 2014-10-20 19:28 GMT+02:00, Mats Olsson plan9@gmail.com: Hi again Peter! Thanks for your patience. I did chmod +x /path to/riostart but I still get the error message that follows: lib/script '/bin/lib* file does not exist . Since the script is in /lib I don't get the meaning of '/bin/lib' file does not exist. Well /bin/lib doesn't exist but /lib/script does. Would greatly appreciate a hint about what to do. Kind Greetings, Mats PS Typo corrected DS 2014-10-20 19:25 GMT+02:00, Mats Olsson plan9@gmail.com: Hi again Peter! Thanks for your patience. I did chmod +x /path to/riostart but I still get the error message that follows: lib/script '/bin/lib* file does not exist . Since the script is in /lib I don't get the meaning of '/bin/lib* file does not exist. Well /bin/lib doesn't exist but /lib/script does. Would greatly appreciate a hint about what to do. Kind Greetings, Mats 2014-10-20 13:34 GMT+02:00, Steve Simon st...@quintile.net: Under plan9 the user who boots a machine has rights to its filesystem, so unless you are accessing a remote plan9 file server which is running an auth server I doubt your problems are to do with administration rights. Somtimes plan9 will produce slightly misleading error messages, permission denied might be saying the OS will not allow you to do what you wanted because it doesn't make sense. What I suspect is that you didn't chmod your startup (riostart) script to make it executable? If this isn't the problem can you cut and paste the exact command that produced the permission denied error? I have attached my startup script for interest, it lives in my $home/bin/rc/startup (other script names are available). -Steve
Re: [9fans] Setting up Mail in Acme on the Raspberry Pi.
Hi! Sorry for the confusion! It's easier for me to compile a kernel in linux than understand the basics of Plan 9. So, yes you're right, Plan 9 is different. But I won't give up so easy so thanks for your patience with a 15+ years linux user trying to grasp something completely different. Thanks Steve. I'll give it some more time tomorrow since I feel kind of shot right now. Busy day and a lot of travelling during the past weekend. Kindest regards, Mats 2014-10-20 19:49 GMT+02:00, Quintile st...@quintile.net: FYI I'm Steve I think some misunderstanding lib/riostart refers to a file in the lib directory in your home dir, as Rio is started in your home did. /lib/riostart is a different file. when rc(1) searches for command it does not strip the leading path like sh(1) does, so you can run commands like fs/zipfs, so you can classify commands - object orientation ? so, your script should be in lib, or bin/rc under your home directory, and this is what your script should reference. plan is different. -Steve On 20 Oct 2014, at 18:32, Mats Olsson plan9@gmail.com wrote: Hi again Peter! Thanks for your patience. I did chmod +x /path to/riostart but I still get the error message that follows: lib/script '/bin/lib' file does not exist . Since the script is in /lib I don't get the meaning of '/bin/lib' file does not exist. Well /bin/lib doesn't exist but /lib/script does. Would greatly appreciate a hint about what to do. Kind Greetings, Mats PPS Text changes when sent DDS * should be an apostrophe like before /bin 2014-10-20 19:28 GMT+02:00, Mats Olsson plan9@gmail.com: Hi again Peter! Thanks for your patience. I did chmod +x /path to/riostart but I still get the error message that follows: lib/script '/bin/lib* file does not exist . Since the script is in /lib I don't get the meaning of '/bin/lib' file does not exist. Well /bin/lib doesn't exist but /lib/script does. Would greatly appreciate a hint about what to do. Kind Greetings, Mats PS Typo corrected DS 2014-10-20 19:25 GMT+02:00, Mats Olsson plan9@gmail.com: Hi again Peter! Thanks for your patience. I did chmod +x /path to/riostart but I still get the error message that follows: lib/script '/bin/lib* file does not exist . Since the script is in /lib I don't get the meaning of '/bin/lib* file does not exist. Well /bin/lib doesn't exist but /lib/script does. Would greatly appreciate a hint about what to do. Kind Greetings, Mats 2014-10-20 13:34 GMT+02:00, Steve Simon st...@quintile.net: Under plan9 the user who boots a machine has rights to its filesystem, so unless you are accessing a remote plan9 file server which is running an auth server I doubt your problems are to do with administration rights. Somtimes plan9 will produce slightly misleading error messages, permission denied might be saying the OS will not allow you to do what you wanted because it doesn't make sense. What I suspect is that you didn't chmod your startup (riostart) script to make it executable? If this isn't the problem can you cut and paste the exact command that produced the permission denied error? I have attached my startup script for interest, it lives in my $home/bin/rc/startup (other script names are available). -Steve
Re: [9fans] Setting up Mail in Acme on the Raspberry Pi.
OK now I can receive email in Acme in Plan 9 for the Raspberry Pi. I'm trying to get auth/fgui to start automatically when I start Plan 9. Have tried to put it into the profile file but it doesn't work. Any hints greatly appreciated. auth/fgui requires Rio, so it needs to load after Rio has started. I have a separate script to load a workspace in my lib directory. This script can be called when Rio starts in the profile by something like: exec rio -f $font -i lib/script Where `script' is an executable rc script which contains the lines: #!/bin/rc auth/fgui Once you have some windows arranged the way you like them you can run wloc which reproduces the commands needed to generate them. These commands can likewise be added to your login script to load a workspace. Once you have auth/fgui running, you will want to get secstore setup for your frequently-accessed credentials. Hope this helps. Best regards, Peter ---BeginMessage--- OK now I can receive email in Acme in Plan 9 for the Raspberry Pi. I'm trying to get auth/fgui to start automatically when I start Plan 9. Have tried to put it into the profile file but it doesn't work. Any hints greatly appreciated. Kind Regards, Mats 2014-10-15 15:00 GMT+02:00, trebol tre...@india.com: Steffen Nurpmeso sdao...@yandex.com wrote: trebol tre...@india.com wrote: |For a external imap server, like gmail, you can compile heirloom's mailx |with ape. Works nice with the plumber, and setting the pager to cat |it integrates nice within acme, a rio window or 9term. I use it also So you like the bad girls honey,.. Is that true. --steffen Yeah... ---End Message---
Re: [9fans] Setting up Mail in Acme on the Raspberry Pi.
Dear Anthony, On 14 October 2014 20:40, Anthony Sorace a...@9srv.net wrote: After that, I can run Mail box1 and Mail box2 in Acme, and both are updated as one would expect. Faces, which was started earlier and needs to know about specific mailbox names to monitor, is not. The message you cited implied you're doing this from p9p, not Plan 9. Is that the case? That would be a big difference. I believe at that time I really used p9p, as you write. (p9 proper is just not enough for my work.) So if things are that much different (and more, you checked it is ok with p9 proper), this issue is only relevant for p9p. Thanks for the note. Ruda
Re: [9fans] Setting up Mail in Acme on the Raspberry Pi.
For a external imap server, like gmail, you can compile heirloom's mailx with ape. Works nice with the plumber, and setting the pager to cat it integrates nice within acme, a rio window or 9term. I use it also in p9p, until I meet a nice alternative. trebol.
Re: [9fans] Setting up Mail in Acme on the Raspberry Pi.
Steffen Nurpmeso sdao...@yandex.com wrote: trebol tre...@india.com wrote: |For a external imap server, like gmail, you can compile heirloom's mailx |with ape. Works nice with the plumber, and setting the pager to cat |it integrates nice within acme, a rio window or 9term. I use it also So you like the bad girls honey,.. Is that true. --steffen Yeah...
Re: [9fans] Setting up Mail in Acme on the Raspberry Pi.
trebol tre...@india.com wrote: |For a external imap server, like gmail, you can compile heirloom's mailx |with ape. Works nice with the plumber, and setting the pager to cat |it integrates nice within acme, a rio window or 9term. I use it also So you like the bad girls honey,.. Is that true. --steffen
Re: [9fans] Setting up Mail in Acme on the Raspberry Pi.
Much as I love Plan9, only a masochist would use it for email Interesting, thats me then I guess - though I have never thought of myself in those terms. I send mail using mail(1)/marshal(1), never had a problem with it. To receive mail I use faces which I find much more useful than most modern apps, which insist on giving me sender and subject lists. When I look at my inbox I would rather have an icon of the sender, this I can access quickly to judge wether I need to read the mail now or defer it till later. Reading the (often cryptic) subject text or parsing the name (things like The Dude) takes a mental switch. Looking at a picture of the culprit is better for my visually orientated brain. I also read email via imap on my iphone, which is useful but actually feels clunkier than plan9 to me - too much pretty zooming windows and not enough just get on with it. What features do you need that plan9 is missing (honest question)? -Steve
Re: [9fans] Setting up Mail in Acme on the Raspberry Pi.
Hello, On 14 October 2014 11:09, Steve Simon st...@quintile.net wrote: What features do you need that plan9 is missing (honest question)? Since I can't run a dedicated mail server and I want to be able to read mail from anywhere, I have to use imap/pop3 from some server I have no control over. So I use google's gmail. Then: -- Running imap with multiple mboxes (folders or whatever) did not work for me (only one of them was updated). -- Threading did not work properly. -- When something went wrong during 'sending' from acme Mail, I did not get any information that the mail had not been sent. So actually I always had to control sending an email from, say, gmail's web interface. (Or had to look manually into the logs.) That's a pretty bad behaviour. -- You can't easily search within all mail like you can using gmail (for anything in the body, withing given dates, from somebody, combinations, etc. -- I don't know how to correctly 'forward' an email from within acme Mail. -- the fact that gmail helps you to fill addresses when writing an email is extremely handy and useful. That's just a few things. [The worst I feel about www interface of gmail is the lack of a good editor (undo, formatting). Thus I often prepare the email in acme but then send it from gmail's interface.] Ruda
Re: [9fans] Setting up Mail in Acme on the Raspberry Pi.
Ok, I don't use acme so most of those issues don't appear for me. Also, I do run a server so mail is delivered to my machine and I connect to it from iphones/ipads/etc etc when I want to use those devcies. Most often I just use plan9 to read mail. searching in nedmail is more limited I agree, you can only search forwards or backwards in the current mailbox for patterns that match either the header or the body; However this is enough for me. autocompleting email addresses would be a niceity, though I tend to set up aliases which I remember (I use a name I chose rather than the name the computer or some authority chose). This is imperfect and occasionally I need to lookup an adress but its rare. I think I am trying to say, my experience is better than what you had, however it is not as slick as gmail et al, however I have gotten used it plan9's email and it doesn't feel like a problem for me. Now a modern web browser, either native or running in an emulated environment would be really good... Actually I have been toying with running another raspberry Pi with Linux on it as a Chrome server. -Steve
Re: [9fans] Setting up Mail in Acme on the Raspberry Pi.
The mail I mostly read from Plan 9 is hosted on Plan 9, but I've done IMAP with it as well. -- Running imap with multiple mboxes (folders or whatever) did not work for me (only one of them was updated). This is almost certainly a configuration issue. It's not exactly clear what you mean by wasn't updated, but I can't think of anything that matches my experience. Setup with plumber, faces, c can take some thought up front, though. -- Threading did not work properly. Folks have put this into the readers, but I don't use it and haven't evaluated it. -- When something went wrong during 'sending' from acme Mail, I did not get any information that the mail had not been sent. So actually I always had to control sending an email from, say, gmail's web interface. (Or had to look manually into the logs.) That's a pretty bad behaviour. That is bad behavior. I haven't observed (n)upas to be any worse in that regard than any other system I've used, though. Upas maybe provides one or two more places for the handoff to go wonky, but there's always a handoff that can go bad. Regardless, if this is coming up with *any* regularity, I again suspect a configuration issue. -- You can't easily search within all mail like you can using gmail (for anything in the body, withing given dates, from somebody, combinations, etc. True. I wrote Mg (http://9fans.net/archive/2008/11/647) to offset some of these deficiencies, but modern interfaces are well ahead here. -- I don't know how to correctly 'forward' an email from within acme Mail. If you just care about sending the content on, open the message, edit the first line to who you want it to go to, hit Post. Fastest method, although you're tweaking the original. If you'd rather the original message be included unmolested, open the message, hit Reply, edit the address, hit Post. -- the fact that gmail helps you to fill addresses when writing an email is extremely handy and useful. Agreed. That's just a few things. The main thing for me that prevents me from using it for more of my mail is the lack of a good HTML formatter. I occasionally get mail I actually care about (and often get mail that I don't) where the formatting matters. It's rare enough that I can punt that to other devices and have it be okay, but common enough that it's distracting. Configuration, especially when all you're doing is the client (IMAP) side, is more of a pain that most other options. signature.asc Description: Message signed with OpenPGP using GPGMail
Re: [9fans] Setting up Mail in Acme on the Raspberry Pi.
-- When something went wrong during 'sending' from acme Mail, I did not get any information that the mail had not been sent. acme/mail sends by handing messages to upas/marshal, and doesn't check for return status. The assumption is probably that if marshal fails, you'll see its sysfatal message in an acme error window, and once marshal has handed the message to upas/send it will either be successfully delivered or you'll get an asynchronous bounce message back by email. Just last week I hit a case where that assumption wasn't true. My file system became full, so upas/send couldn't queue the message. Sadly it couldn't send a bounce message back either, because ... the file system was full. Even more sadly, I missed the file system full message, because my terminal didn't have a console window for the cpu server open.
Re: [9fans] Setting up Mail in Acme on the Raspberry Pi.
-- Threading did not work properly. Folks have put this into the readers, but I don't use it and haven't evaluated it. nupas maintains References:, so i believe threading should work if you use a threading reader. so it would notbe hard to set up a command to collect the references and display them with either ned or Mail. -- the fact that gmail helps you to fill addresses when writing an email is extremely handy and useful. Agreed. wouldn't be hard to have upas/fs set up a fake directory with common or all known email addresses so that the usual tab completion works in ned and Mail. i never did this, because it's not how i deal with mail. The main thing for me that prevents me from using it for more of my mail is the lack of a good HTML formatter. I occasionally get mail I actually care about (and often get mail that I don't) where the formatting matters. It's rare enough that I can punt that to other devices and have it be okay, but common enough that it's distracting. i actually like the fact that htmlfmt is rather basic. it has made more than one sophisticated phishing attempt easy to spot. - erik
Re: [9fans] Setting up Mail in Acme on the Raspberry Pi.
-- Running imap with multiple mboxes (folders or whatever) did not work for me (only one of them was updated). tested with nupas, and it does work. the default folder seperator in upas is /, as one would expect, since folder is just a windows-centric synonym for directory. one can make + work too by adding a rewrite rule for it. - erik
Re: [9fans] Setting up Mail in Acme on the Raspberry Pi.
On 14 October 2014 17:22, erik quanstrom quans...@quanstro.net wrote: -- Running imap with multiple mboxes (folders or whatever) did not work for me (only one of them was updated). tested with nupas, and it does work. the default folder seperator in upas is /, as one would expect, since folder is just a windows-centric synonym for directory. one can make + work too by adding a rewrite rule for it. - erik http://9fans.net/archive/2012/12/62 is what was my problem back then Ruda
Re: [9fans] Setting up Mail in Acme on the Raspberry Pi.
On Mon Oct 13 22:42:58 EDT 2014, kod...@gmail.com wrote: Much as I love Plan9, only a masochist would use it for email.I agreed with Carmack as recently as 1997: I spent a few months running Plan9. It has an achingly elegent internal structure, but a user interface that has been asleep for the past decade. i can't agree with this generalization. i've had a lot of fun with plan 9 email. both Mail and ned are interesting ideas, fun to work on and effective tools for me. - erik
Re: [9fans] Setting up Mail in Acme on the Raspberry Pi.
tested with nupas, and it does work. the default folder seperator in upas is /, as one would expect, since folder is just a windows-centric synonym for directory. one can make + work too by adding a rewrite rule for it. - erik http://9fans.net/archive/2012/12/62 is what was my problem back then there's no rule against running 2 acme mail instances. - erik
Re: [9fans] Setting up Mail in Acme on the Raspberry Pi.
Ruda: Just now, I tried this: : root; cd /mail/fs : root; lf ctl mbox/ : root; echo 'open /imap/mail.foo.org/anth...@foo.org box1' ctl : root; lf box1/ ctl mbox/ : root; lf box1 1/ 15/ 19/ 22/ 28/ 32/ 36/ 40/ 44/ 48/ 52/ 56/ 60/ 64/ 68/ 71/ 75/ ctl 10/ 16/ 2/ 23/ 29/ 33/ 37/ 41/ 45/ 49/ 53/ 57/ 61/ 65/ 69/ 72/ 76/ 11/ 17/ 20/ 24/ 30/ 34/ 38/ 42/ 46/ 50/ 54/ 58/ 62/ 66/ 7/ 73/ 8/ 12/ 18/ 21/ 25/ 31/ 35/ 39/ 43/ 47/ 51/ 55/ 59/ 63/ 67/ 70/ 74/ 9/ : root; echo 'open /imap/mail.foo.org/anth...@foo.org/Auction box2' ctl : root; lf box2 1/ 13/ 17/ 20/ 24/ 28/ 31/ 35/ 39/ 42/ 46/ 5/ 53/ 57/ 60/ 64/ 68/ 9/ 10/ 14/ 18/ 21/ 25/ 29/ 32/ 36/ 4/ 43/ 47/ 50/ 54/ 58/ 61/ 65/ 69/ ctl 11/ 15/ 19/ 22/ 26/ 3/ 33/ 37/ 40/ 44/ 48/ 51/ 55/ 59/ 62/ 66/ 7/ 12/ 16/ 2/ 23/ 27/ 30/ 34/ 38/ 41/ 45/ 49/ 52/ 56/ 6/ 63/ 67/ 8/ After that, I can run Mail box1 and Mail box2 in Acme, and both are updated as one would expect. Faces, which was started earlier and needs to know about specific mailbox names to monitor, is not. The message you cited implied you're doing this from p9p, not Plan 9. Is that the case? That would be a big difference. signature.asc Description: Message signed with OpenPGP using GPGMail
Re: [9fans] Setting up Mail in Acme on the Raspberry Pi.
Skip, why settle for might even be secure while using the platform of one of the companies that makes a practice of burglarizing your information home? Why not use something like SpiderOak https://spideroak.com/?utm_expid=14446725-7.EXfixEIwRZmffqInbsytsg.0 - which lets you keep and control the encryption keys. Or perhaps even better, the owners of SpiderOak put out a toolkit called Crypton https://crypton.io/ that lets you roll your own. Wes On 10/13/2014 11:08 PM, Skip Tavakkolian wrote: iCloud! Yes! Let's do that! It might even be secure on Plan 9 :) On Oct 13, 2014 8:01 PM, Winston Kodogo kod...@gmail.com mailto:kod...@gmail.com wrote: https://www.apple.com/nz/support/icloud/mail-notes/ Sorry, not a patch as such. On 14 October 2014 15:51, Kurt H Maier k...@sciops.net mailto:k...@sciops.net wrote: Quoting Winston Kodogo kod...@gmail.com mailto:kod...@gmail.com: Much as I love Plan9, only a masochist would use it for email.I agreed with Carmack as recently as 1997: I spent a few months running Plan9. It has an achingly elegent internal structure, but a user interface that has been asleep for the past decade. patches welcome -- Wes Kussmaul The Authenticity Institute 738 Main Street Waltham, MA 02451 office +1 781 790 1674 mobile +1 781 330 1881 “Try this fruit, and by the way if a bunch of people collectively calling themselves Arthur Andersen signs something it’s the same as if a person named Arthur Andersen signed it.” - The Serpent
Re: [9fans] Setting up Mail in Acme on the Raspberry Pi.
Wes, i was being sarcastic in my reply to the suggestion that iCloud (or any iSplat) products should be emulated on Plan 9. -Skip On Tue, Oct 14, 2014 at 12:09 PM, Wes Kussmaul w...@reliableid.com wrote: Skip, why settle for might even be secure while using the platform of one of the companies that makes a practice of burglarizing your information home? Why not use something like SpiderOak https://spideroak.com/?utm_expid=14446725-7.EXfixEIwRZmffqInbsytsg.0 - which lets you keep and control the encryption keys. Or perhaps even better, the owners of SpiderOak put out a toolkit called Crypton https://crypton.io/ that lets you roll your own. Wes On 10/13/2014 11:08 PM, Skip Tavakkolian wrote: iCloud! Yes! Let's do that! It might even be secure on Plan 9 :) On Oct 13, 2014 8:01 PM, Winston Kodogo kod...@gmail.com wrote: https://www.apple.com/nz/support/icloud/mail-notes/ Sorry, not a patch as such. On 14 October 2014 15:51, Kurt H Maier k...@sciops.net wrote: Quoting Winston Kodogo kod...@gmail.com: Much as I love Plan9, only a masochist would use it for email.I agreed with Carmack as recently as 1997: I spent a few months running Plan9. It has an achingly elegent internal structure, but a user interface that has been asleep for the past decade. patches welcome -- Wes Kussmaul The Authenticity Institute 738 Main Street Waltham, MA 02451 office +1 781 790 1674 mobile +1 781 330 1881 “Try this fruit, and by the way if a bunch of people collectively calling themselves Arthur Andersen signs something it’s the same as if a person named Arthur Andersen signed it.” - The Serpent
Re: [9fans] Setting up Mail in Acme on the Raspberry Pi.
Oh, I knew that... :( :( :( On 10/14/2014 04:03 PM, Skip Tavakkolian wrote: Wes, i was being sarcastic in my reply to the suggestion that iCloud (or any iSplat) products should be emulated on Plan 9. -Skip On Tue, Oct 14, 2014 at 12:09 PM, Wes Kussmaul w...@reliableid.com mailto:w...@reliableid.com wrote: Skip, why settle for might even be secure while using the platform of one of the companies that makes a practice of burglarizing your information home? Why not use something like SpiderOak https://spideroak.com/?utm_expid=14446725-7.EXfixEIwRZmffqInbsytsg.0 - which lets you keep and control the encryption keys. Or perhaps even better, the owners of SpiderOak put out a toolkit called Crypton https://crypton.io/ that lets you roll your own. Wes On 10/13/2014 11:08 PM, Skip Tavakkolian wrote: iCloud! Yes! Let's do that! It might even be secure on Plan 9 :) On Oct 13, 2014 8:01 PM, Winston Kodogo kod...@gmail.com mailto:kod...@gmail.com wrote: https://www.apple.com/nz/support/icloud/mail-notes/ Sorry, not a patch as such. On 14 October 2014 15:51, Kurt H Maier k...@sciops.net mailto:k...@sciops.net wrote: Quoting Winston Kodogo kod...@gmail.com mailto:kod...@gmail.com: Much as I love Plan9, only a masochist would use it for email.I agreed with Carmack as recently as 1997: I spent a few months running Plan9. It has an achingly elegent internal structure, but a user interface that has been asleep for the past decade. patches welcome -- Wes Kussmaul The Authenticity Institute 738 Main Street Waltham, MA 02451 office+1 781 790 1674 tel:%2B1%20781%20790%201674 mobile+1 781 330 1881 tel:%2B1%20781%20330%201881 “Try this fruit, and by the way if a bunch of people collectively calling themselves Arthur Andersen signs something it’s the same as if a person named Arthur Andersen signed it.” - The Serpent -- Wes Kussmaul The Authenticity Institute 738 Main Street Waltham, MA 02451 office +1 781 790 1674 mobile +1 781 330 1881 “Try this fruit, and by the way if a bunch of people collectively calling themselves Arthur Andersen signs something it’s the same as if a person named Arthur Andersen signed it.” - The Serpent
Re: [9fans] Setting up Mail in Acme on the Raspberry Pi.
Skip was being sarcastic? Who knew??? But in answer to Steve's question, the only things I would add to Plan9 are a mail program and Web browser that I can work out how to use even in the trance-like state of supreme enlightenment that can only be achieved when one has consumed far too much gin. Apple Mail Safari work for me, more's the pity. On 15 October 2014 09:29, Wes Kussmaul w...@reliableid.com wrote: Oh, I knew that... :( :( :( On 10/14/2014 04:03 PM, Skip Tavakkolian wrote: Wes, i was being sarcastic in my reply to the suggestion that iCloud (or any iSplat) products should be emulated on Plan 9. -Skip On Tue, Oct 14, 2014 at 12:09 PM, Wes Kussmaul w...@reliableid.com wrote: Skip, why settle for might even be secure while using the platform of one of the companies that makes a practice of burglarizing your information home? Why not use something like SpiderOak https://spideroak.com/?utm_expid=14446725-7.EXfixEIwRZmffqInbsytsg.0 - which lets you keep and control the encryption keys. Or perhaps even better, the owners of SpiderOak put out a toolkit called Crypton https://crypton.io/ that lets you roll your own. Wes On 10/13/2014 11:08 PM, Skip Tavakkolian wrote: iCloud! Yes! Let's do that! It might even be secure on Plan 9 :) On Oct 13, 2014 8:01 PM, Winston Kodogo kod...@gmail.com wrote: https://www.apple.com/nz/support/icloud/mail-notes/ Sorry, not a patch as such. On 14 October 2014 15:51, Kurt H Maier k...@sciops.net wrote: Quoting Winston Kodogo kod...@gmail.com: Much as I love Plan9, only a masochist would use it for email.I agreed with Carmack as recently as 1997: I spent a few months running Plan9. It has an achingly elegent internal structure, but a user interface that has been asleep for the past decade. patches welcome -- Wes Kussmaul The Authenticity Institute 738 Main Street Waltham, MA 02451 office +1 781 790 1674 mobile +1 781 330 1881 “Try this fruit, and by the way if a bunch of people collectively calling themselves Arthur Andersen signs something it’s the same as if a person named Arthur Andersen signed it.” - The Serpent -- Wes Kussmaul The Authenticity Institute 738 Main Street Waltham, MA 02451 office +1 781 790 1674 mobile +1 781 330 1881 “Try this fruit, and by the way if a bunch of people collectively calling themselves Arthur Andersen signs something it’s the same as if a person named Arthur Andersen signed it.” - The Serpent
Re: [9fans] Setting up Mail in Acme on the Raspberry Pi.
Hi Richard! I've read the /acme/mail/readme but it just explains how it works not how to configure it. Kind Regards, Mats On 10/13/14, kokam...@hera.eonet.ne.jp kokam...@hera.eonet.ne.jp wrote: okay with comparatively little ram. the primary reason that we haven't pushed to replace upas with nupas by default in 9front is insufficent testing with the mbox format. I'm using nupas on 9front, which is much superior than upas. Thanks eric! Kenji
Re: [9fans] Setting up Mail in Acme on the Raspberry Pi.
Hi Mats, In an Acme window, try running: Local upas/fs -f /imaps/your.mailserver.dom/username On a Raspberry Pi, this may take a few seconds to complete with a large mailbox. You will know it is finished because the `fs' process will disappear from the upper left-hand corner of Acme's tag line. Then (also in an Acme window) run: Mail It helps if you already have auth/fgui running to receive your password (if it isn't already loaded into factotum). Best regards, Peter ---BeginMessage--- Hi Richard! I've read the /acme/mail/readme but it just explains how it works not how to configure it. Kind Regards, Mats On 10/13/14, kokam...@hera.eonet.ne.jp kokam...@hera.eonet.ne.jp wrote: okay with comparatively little ram. the primary reason that we haven't pushed to replace upas with nupas by default in 9front is insufficent testing with the mbox format. I'm using nupas on 9front, which is much superior than upas. Thanks eric! Kenji ---End Message---
Re: [9fans] Setting up Mail in Acme on the Raspberry Pi.
I'm using nupas on 9front, which is much superior than upas. Thanks eric! you're welcome, but you should really thank brantley coile for sponsoring the work. - erik
Re: [9fans] Setting up Mail in Acme on the Raspberry Pi.
On Mon, Oct 13, 2014 at 12:15:31PM -0400, erik quanstrom wrote: On Sun Oct 12 14:37:47 EDT 2014, st...@quintile.net wrote: I am fairly sure the problem is to do with RAM size rather than the raspberry pi per-se. 4000 messages takes up a lot of space - and upas stores messages in RAM. it's a little worse than this, actually. since upas stores messages in mbox format, the whole file needs to be read or written on update. certainly one could optimize the read bit, but that would be difficult this means that the the whole mbox gets written to the dump every day, and you need about 2x the mailbox size ram for each upas/fs that is run. this does not work out well for large mm messages, or small ram boxes like the pi. the solutions to this are straightforward (1) store one message per file, (2) cache important data in an index to avoid opening all files, (3) avoid O(n²) startup time due to small hash table sizes and high load factor, (4) load message data on demand so ram required is MAX(largest mm hunk, 10mb). Have you considered other mailbox formats, such as maildir, for instance? Seems that it could solve at least some of the problem. -- Eduardo Alvarez Stercus, Stercus, Stercus, moriturus sum -- Rincewind The Wizzard pgpReua3HkHjV.pgp Description: PGP signature
