Re: [9fans] microsoft's plan 9 distribution

2019-03-07 Thread Steve Simon
no stereotyping please. just because he is a radio news reader it doesn't mean he can’t have good taste in operating systems in his spare time... > On 16 Feb 2019, at 12:50 pm, Charles Forsyth > wrote: > > I thought I remembered the name Brian Perkins until I realised that was a > Radio

Re: [9fans] microsoft's plan 9 distribution

2019-02-20 Thread hiro
upspin seems to be mostly a global naming, fine-grained (not just groups) authorization, addressing and indexing system. conceptionally it doesn't require the use of CLI tools, though (unknown to me) it might be the first implementations are centered around that. i think the problems it attempts

Re: [9fans] microsoft's plan 9 distribution

2019-02-20 Thread Ethan Gardener
Oh lol... you know Upspin isn't designed to work with Windows Android or iOS when you see how permissions are granted: a file called Access with no extension. This is all right if you do everything from the command line, but it's not exactly the ease and flexibility they claim to be going

Re: [9fans] microsoft's plan 9 distribution

2019-02-20 Thread Ethan Gardener
On Mon, Feb 18, 2019, at 9:11 PM, Lyndon Nerenberg wrote: > Is Upspin an alternative? (Not helpful if you're required to talk to > specific AFS infrastructure.) For my use, I may as well use SMB over a VPN. AFS has just the right sort of caching to minimize mobile data usage without messing

Re: [9fans] microsoft's plan 9 distribution

2019-02-18 Thread hiro
i would love to see more upspin related news :) is there a good storage backend for it now?

Re: [9fans] microsoft's plan 9 distribution

2019-02-18 Thread Lyndon Nerenberg
Ethan Gardener writes: > I got excited for a moment, but then I saw, "This server contains > protocols that support Linux metadata, including permissions." It's > going to be 9p2000.L or yet another incompatible fork of the protocol. Is Upspin an alternative? (Not helpful if you're required to

Re: [9fans] microsoft's plan 9 distribution

2019-02-17 Thread Lucio De Re
On 2/17/19, Ethan Gardener wrote: > > I got excited for a moment, but then I saw, "This server contains protocols > that support Linux metadata, including permissions." It's going to be > 9p2000.L or yet another incompatible fork of the protocol. > It's still an improvement over any predecessor,

Re: [9fans] microsoft's plan 9 distribution

2019-02-17 Thread Ethan Gardener
On Sat, Feb 16, 2019, at 12:49 AM, hiro wrote: > https://blogs.msdn.microsoft.com/commandline/2019/02/15/whats-new-for-wsl-in-windows-10-version-1903/ I got excited for a moment, but then I saw, "This server contains protocols that support Linux metadata, including permissions." It's going to

Re: [9fans] microsoft's plan 9 distribution

2019-02-16 Thread hiro
> Thankfully, it's been a long time since I had to look under Linux's > hood. It is perfectly possible that Linux is more plan 9-ish than Plan > 9 ever was. > > Lucio. hardly. whatever namespace features they have come with huge cost, because nothing in linux is ever loosely coupled like our file

Re: [9fans] microsoft's plan 9 distribution

2019-02-16 Thread Charles Forsyth
I thought I remembered the name Brian Perkins until I realised that was a Radio 4 newsreader. On Sat, 16 Feb 2019 at 08:54, Steve Simon wrote: > interesting... > > the first thing, can you convince the 9p server to offer 9p over tcp? > then, can explorer mount my plan9 file server? > > the

Re: [9fans] microsoft's plan 9 distribution

2019-02-16 Thread Charles Forsyth
well spotted On Sat, 16 Feb 2019 at 00:48, hiro <23h...@gmail.com> wrote: > > https://blogs.msdn.microsoft.com/commandline/2019/02/15/whats-new-for-wsl-in-windows-10-version-1903/ > >

Re: [9fans] microsoft's plan 9 distribution

2019-02-16 Thread Lucio De Re
On 2/16/19, hiro <23h...@gmail.com> wrote: > > what is a process-level namespace? you mean pid namespaces that linux has? > Thankfully, it's been a long time since I had to look under Linux's hood. It is perfectly possible that Linux is more plan 9-ish than Plan 9 ever was. Lucio.

Re: [9fans] microsoft's plan 9 distribution

2019-02-16 Thread Lucio De Re
Hell, I wish I could figure out what I want! I need to use Thunderbird as my mailer and that keeps reminding me how liberating it was some long time back when I was able to move from Mutt to Acme/Mail: the latter is so much less of a burden across so many aspects. But today I'd have to change job

Re: [9fans] microsoft's plan 9 distribution

2019-02-16 Thread Skip Tavakkolian
from the description it sounds like Windows and WSL apps can only talk over AF_UNIX socket. if I understand your intent correctly, this might be what you're looking for: a while back Tim Newsham did ninefs; it uses npfs (ericvh and lionkov) and Dokan. i don't know if there has been any recent

Re: [9fans] microsoft's plan 9 distribution

2019-02-16 Thread hiro
> I wonder what the long-term plan really is, though? Process-level > namespaces? If they can do that, they will leave Linux standing. > > Lucio. > > what is a process-level namespace? you mean pid namespaces that linux has?

Re: [9fans] microsoft's plan 9 distribution

2019-02-16 Thread Lucio De Re
Closet 9 Fans, outed! Pity, really, because these may be reluctant to reveal how to access a remote 9P site. But exciting, nevertheless. The weird thing I don't quite get is that it looks like u9fs running under WX with an extX interface. Is that going to be the trend? What are the permissible

Re: [9fans] microsoft's plan 9 distribution

2019-02-16 Thread Steve Simon
interesting... the first thing, can you convince the 9p server to offer 9p over tcp? then, can explorer mount my plan9 file server? the biggest surprised is that i don't recognise any of the names of the team listed as 9fans of old. -Steve >> On 16 Feb 2019, at 3:57 am, Lucio De Re wrote:

Re: [9fans] microsoft's plan 9 distribution

2019-02-15 Thread Lucio De Re
On 2/16/19, Kurt H Maier wrote: > On Sat, Feb 16, 2019 at 01:48:01AM +0100, hiro wrote: >> https://blogs.msdn.microsoft.com/commandline/2019/02/15/whats-new-for-wsl-in-windows-10-version-1903/ >> > > Just when the linux kids finally gave up on 9p2000.l, and introduced > virtio-fs, Microsoft shows

Re: [9fans] microsoft's plan 9 distribution

2019-02-15 Thread Jeremy O'Brien
On Fri, Feb 15, 2019, at 19:48, hiro wrote: > https://blogs.msdn.microsoft.com/commandline/2019/02/15/whats-new-for-wsl-in-windows-10-version-1903/ > > oh man. a coworker of mine was just poking fun at me last week asking when Windows was gonna get a Plan9 subsystem. definitely showing him

Re: [9fans] microsoft's plan 9 distribution

2019-02-15 Thread Skip Tavakkolian
I think 9fans' work is done here. Time to move on to other things :) On Fri, Feb 15, 2019 at 4:59 PM Kurt H Maier wrote: > On Sat, Feb 16, 2019 at 01:48:01AM +0100, hiro wrote: > > > https://blogs.msdn.microsoft.com/commandline/2019/02/15/whats-new-for-wsl-in-windows-10-version-1903/ > > > >

Re: [9fans] microsoft's plan 9 distribution

2019-02-15 Thread Kurt H Maier
On Sat, Feb 16, 2019 at 01:48:01AM +0100, hiro wrote: > https://blogs.msdn.microsoft.com/commandline/2019/02/15/whats-new-for-wsl-in-windows-10-version-1903/ > Just when the linux kids finally gave up on 9p2000.l, and introduced virtio-fs, Microsoft shows up to ensconce 9p forever. khm

[9fans] microsoft's plan 9 distribution

2019-02-15 Thread hiro
https://blogs.msdn.microsoft.com/commandline/2019/02/15/whats-new-for-wsl-in-windows-10-version-1903/