Re: [Accessibility-ia2] IA2 Role Landmark

o: Alexander Surkov <surkov.alexan...@gmail.com> >>Cc: Joseph Scheuhammer <cl...@alum.mit.edu>, Stefan Schnabel >><stefan.schna...@sap.com>, Steven Faulkner >><faulkner.st...@gmail.com>, IA2 List >><accessibility-...@lists.linux-foundat

Re: [Accessibility-ia2] IA2 Role Landmark

s.linuxfoundation.org > To: Alexander Surkov <surkov.alexan...@gmail.com> > Cc: Joseph Scheuhammer <cl...@alum.mit.edu>, Stefan Schnabel > <stefan.schna...@sap.com>, Steven Faulkner > <faulkner.st...@gmail.com>, IA2 List > <accessibil

Re: [Accessibility-ia2] IA2 Role Landmark

Jamie, Alex,   There is far too much resistance to concatenating the description with the error message. It will never carry with the working group. I am sorry. Right now we are holding up ARIA in HTML in ARIA.   Can we agree:   1. For the Firefox mapping of the form element, and ARIA 1.1 form

Re: [Accessibility-ia2] IA2 Role Landmark

I would also argue that, today, navigating a web page should be by regional landmarks first. They create a table of contents for the page and we advise all IBM developers to ensure all content is contained within a landmark. This way content is not orphaned. To that end a form should be treated

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Well it is used by the most pervasive apps on the planet using IA2 already. Chrome, FF, and eclipse-based apps. Sent from my iPhone > On Aug 25, 2016, at 10:45 AM, Alexander Surkov > wrote: > > I definitely agree that IA2 needs a flexible mechanism to expose

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I definitely agree that IA2 needs a flexible mechanism to expose roles, I'm just not sure it should be xml-roles object attribute. On Thu, Aug 25, 2016 at 11:15 AM, Rich Schwerdtfeger wrote: > Alex, those object attributes should have been included in IA2 a long time >

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Alex, those object attributes should have been included in IA2 a long time ago. I in no way see these as a hack. Eclipse uses them too. Sent from my iPhone > On Aug 25, 2016, at 9:49 AM, Alexander Surkov > wrote: > > This is true, however xml-roles is not standard

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This is true, however xml-roles is not standard attribute in IA2, it's rather a browser specific hack to expose the semantics, that otherwise was missed. So if the API provides a way to expose an element semantics more fully, then I'd say it's the way to go. Having said that, I'm also concerned

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Hi, Joanie. I'd say HTML form is a landmark as any other form in the world, but I let judge others on this. If there's no use case for ATK form role, then what is a reason to keep it? On Thu, Aug 25, 2016 at 10:24 AM, Joanmarie Diggs wrote: > Hi Alex, all. > > I don't

Re: [Accessibility-ia2] IA2 Role Landmark

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.st...@gmail.com> Subject: Re: [Accessibility-ia2] IA2 Role Landmark Hi Rich, I understand the reason for the use of the landmark role for role="form". However, I disagree with the HTML form element being mapped to the landmark role because semantics are lost. The fact that something

Re: [Accessibility-ia2] IA2 Role Landmark

Hi Rich, I understand the reason for the use of the landmark role for role="form". However, I disagree with the HTML form element being mapped to the landmark role because semantics are lost. The fact that something is a form has more semantic value than just being a landmark. Still, if the

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Jamie, The point is we want ALL the landmarks to be treated the same way for ATVs. So, first we determine that it is a landmark. Then we go to xml-roles to determine the type of landmark. Otherwise, we need a special case for a form. That is what we are trying to avoid. For these reasons

Re: [Accessibility-ia2] IA2 Role Landmark

On 2016-02-23 10:48 PM, Rich Schwerdtfeger wrote: We will update the ARIA mapping spec Can you be more specific? One thing we will do is change the mapping for role region to: "IAccessible2: IA2_ROLE_LANDMARK and object attribute xml-roles:region". For comparison, the current ATK/AT-SPI

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Alright, please add the role to IA2. We will update the ARIA mapping spec and I will let some of the ATs know and We will need to let Google know as well. Rich Sent from my iPhone > On Feb 23, 2016, at 4:50 PM, James Teh wrote: > > That's a fair justification. We don't

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That's a fair justification. We don't have a collections interface for IA2, so if we did want to fetch all landmarks, we have to walk the entire tree in-process, in which case checking the role is about the same as checking xml-roles. Still, it does make sense and I'm happy to accept it given

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Hi all. On 02/23/2016 03:38 PM, Alexander Surkov wrote: > As a side note, it sounds a bit wired that the assistive technologies on > Windows have to support a new role to make Orca faster. Please don't get > me wrong, I'm exited to have fast Orca, but I feel there's something > wrong with the

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I'm totally up to keep APIs in sync but if no one is going to use the feature, then there's no much benefit of implementing it. I defer to Jamie on this. As a side note, it sounds a bit wired that the assistive technologies on Windows have to support a new role to make Orca faster. Please don't

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Hey Jamie. At least on my platform, getting all of the ROLE_LANDMARK objects (e.g. for a list of landmarks dialog) via AtspiCollection is a lot more performant than getting all the elements and then filtering out the non-landmarks (99-100% of the set) via object attribute. The xml-roles value

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Hi Rich, I don't necessarily have an objection to introducing a new role, but I also don't quite follow the justification. I follow that region became a subclass of landmark. However, I don't follow how this changes the "landmark" role; if anything, it changes the "region" role. And even