Re: [AI] Some doubts regarding braille
Hi Ajay, As our friends in the groups advise, learning new skill will always put you better than the others. Coming to ppt, for making ppt I use jaws and can create fairly reasonable ppts using ppt templates. However, makigng complex ppt is certainly a challenge... If you are looking at using ppt as an enabler for your talk / presentation, if you plan and practise your ppt you can still manage it.You can also use a bluetooth earplug which can give you a wire free experience in Jaws. You can also save notes on your phone which is attached to ears through earplugs. On 4/4/13, Ekinath Khedekar ekin...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Ajay, Braille certainly becomes handy during ppts as you don’t have to hear and then speak. Also you are utilizing one more of your senses; touch. Listening and then speaking breaks the rhythm of the presentation. Learning Braille is not a big deal, but it takes time to use it speedily. Also it’s bulky, but great tool when you don’t want to be loaded with gadget all over your body. It gives me free mind and I speak better that way. Do learn it. Learning is never a waste. And yah, congratulations for your short listings. Good luck On 4/4/13, Pranav Lal pranav@gmail.com wrote: Hi Ajay, I cannot comment on the Nokia E5. If it is a querty phone, then it is unlikely that it will have the keyboard drivers required to run a wireless keyboard. This was the situation with my E72. Pranav Register at the dedicated AccessIndia list for discussing accessibility of mobile phones / Tabs on: http://mail.accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/mobile.accessindia_accessindia.org.in Search for old postings at: http://www.mail-archive.com/accessindia@accessindia.org.in/ To unsubscribe send a message to accessindia-requ...@accessindia.org.in with the subject unsubscribe. To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, please visit the list home page at http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in -- “The waves breaking on the surface draw all the attention, but it is the current beneath the water that determines your direction.” Register at the dedicated AccessIndia list for discussing accessibility of mobile phones / Tabs on: http://mail.accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/mobile.accessindia_accessindia.org.in Search for old postings at: http://www.mail-archive.com/accessindia@accessindia.org.in/ To unsubscribe send a message to accessindia-requ...@accessindia.org.in with the subject unsubscribe. To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, please visit the list home page at http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in Register at the dedicated AccessIndia list for discussing accessibility of mobile phones / Tabs on: http://mail.accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/mobile.accessindia_accessindia.org.in Search for old postings at: http://www.mail-archive.com/accessindia@accessindia.org.in/ To unsubscribe send a message to accessindia-requ...@accessindia.org.in with the subject unsubscribe. To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, please visit the list home page at http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in
Re: [AI] Some doubts regarding braille
Hi Ajay, Braille certainly becomes handy during ppts as you don’t have to hear and then speak. Also you are utilizing one more of your senses; touch. Listening and then speaking breaks the rhythm of the presentation. Learning Braille is not a big deal, but it takes time to use it speedily. Also it’s bulky, but great tool when you don’t want to be loaded with gadget all over your body. It gives me free mind and I speak better that way. Do learn it. Learning is never a waste. And yah, congratulations for your short listings. Good luck On 4/4/13, Pranav Lal pranav@gmail.com wrote: Hi Ajay, I cannot comment on the Nokia E5. If it is a querty phone, then it is unlikely that it will have the keyboard drivers required to run a wireless keyboard. This was the situation with my E72. Pranav Register at the dedicated AccessIndia list for discussing accessibility of mobile phones / Tabs on: http://mail.accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/mobile.accessindia_accessindia.org.in Search for old postings at: http://www.mail-archive.com/accessindia@accessindia.org.in/ To unsubscribe send a message to accessindia-requ...@accessindia.org.in with the subject unsubscribe. To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, please visit the list home page at http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in -- “The waves breaking on the surface draw all the attention, but it is the current beneath the water that determines your direction.” Register at the dedicated AccessIndia list for discussing accessibility of mobile phones / Tabs on: http://mail.accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/mobile.accessindia_accessindia.org.in Search for old postings at: http://www.mail-archive.com/accessindia@accessindia.org.in/ To unsubscribe send a message to accessindia-requ...@accessindia.org.in with the subject unsubscribe. To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, please visit the list home page at http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in
Re: [AI] Some doubts regarding Braille.
Yes sir, In head phones, it is not at all difficult for me. I usually study using my headphones. And on speakers as well I manage well on 70 to 75 % speed. regards On 4/3/13, Padmanabham padmanabam.mu...@gmail.com wrote: is it possible to under stand the document at 70 to 75 speed? - Original Message - From: Ajay Minocha ajayminoc...@gmail.com To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in Sent: Wednesday, April 03, 2013 8:49 AM Subject: Re: [AI] Some doubts regarding Braille. Hi bro, Thanks a lot for cutting the short story long. My story has been allmost similar to you the only difference was, I didn't have any thing for note taking in my 12th standard. I generally use jaws at a speed of 70 to 75% while reading a document or studying. Otherwise, it is 85+. But I have never tried the way you suggested me. And, I am not planning to use braille in main streme. It is mainly for taking notes and labeling. regards On 4/3/13, Amar Jain amarjain2...@gmail.com wrote: Hey Champ, First, I am not talking of advantages or disadvantages of Braille or technology. Lot of it has been already said. Second, to others lot of things may sound irrelevant, but for you, its just to give you experience of all situations which I have been in. For busy bosses, read it while relaxing, and oh yeah, you can also invite me for a cup of coffee if you are having one in your hand :) Look, I had pursued most of my schooling in a hindi medium blind school, thus using computer for us was like dealing with something foreign to our brain for quite a long time. Though how I ended up learning computer is altogether separate thing, but for quite a long, Braille was the only source I relied upon. Now to address your question of taking notes in the class where you are the only figure who is blind etc., I did in my 12th class where I was studying with sighted colleagues (specifically addressing in this context).. Now a days you can take advantage of luxury offered by the Braillers, note takers and Braille Displays, which reduces your effort of embossing the dot on the paper and the sound which is being generated. And as far as speed is concerned, trust me even if you use that interpoint slate or what we called German slate for quite a long which comes without the additional guide, for day to day purposes, someone new listening to your speed can give the compliment that you are sounding like an old Braille Press hammering for embossing dots on the paper! You can complete both the sides of a page in 2.5 minutes. Of course using devices can substantially increase your speed. So, it was never a problem even with those traditional methods. And now with the devices, surely you won't feel anything bad if at all one wants to feel that way. Now when I entered in my college life, which was firstly English medium, so I could take the best advantage offered by the computer and scanning softwares, and that is what I did eventually. From that point onwards till date, where I am about to give a good start to my career, I didn't have a situation where I had to use Braille for reading in general, writing, making presentation (reading the speaker notes or looking at slides). I could well manage it with Jaws. So, what you should be considering essentially is: 1. What is your proficiency with Assistive Technologies or Screen Reader to be specific? How quickly you are able to follow and speak it out when you listen anything? Try reading a paragraph and see the result. Kartik is solid example of what speed may mean to someone. I am not great at it, but I will surely make use of technology itself and eventually come down to a good level. While reading, don't just only consider that you are able to follow the word and throw it out from your mouth, punctuation, pauses, (those minute things which are told to us for being a good reader). Record and listen back. That's the best I can think off. 2. Based on what you opt for, the nature of the material which you are going to refer would also be a factor to be considered. Remember Nikita didi's example of taking phone numbers 3. Do you have a problem of not knowing the right spellings? If so, reading Braille can eliminate the same to a great extent. To keep the short story long ( Its reverse in my case, :) ), on a day to day basis Braille may not be a usable option despite the fact of having good speed etc, as papers, actually the bulk, availability of space, environment are the constraints. And in my case, add laziness after knowing computer too :d But having known Braille can help you in situation like that of making presentations if after considering all of what has been said here, you feel that there may be scope of delivering better if you use Braille as one of the options. Labeling also can be a point to be considered as though there are software ways of doing it, but just by touching the Braille, you can figure out quickly I guess
Re: [AI] Some doubts regarding braille
Hello sir, I haven't planned to use a braille display atleast till 4 to 5 years from now. Because of their cost smile. I generally travel alone. and yes, The idea of buying a vireless keyboard for my phone sounds really nice to me but can it work with my e5? I know that it has it's own keypad but vireless keyboard can not be compared with it's tiny keypad. regards On 4/3/13, Pranav Lal pranav@gmail.com wrote: Hi Ajay, I have been thinking along similar lines. Does Braille give me any additional information that speech can't? I do not have an answer to this question. Much depends on the kinds of documents you right and your learning style that is, do you learn better by speech or by touch? Yes, it may be handy to be able to use Braille during a presentation. I am assuming that you would be using a refreshable Braille display. Braille may also be handy in noisy office environments. However, be warned, reading Braille can be slower than using speech. Remember, you are dealing with a mechanical device. Braille is also good for learning spelling. As for technology failing, your sighted counter parts are as prone to this as you are. In emergencies, I use my smart phone with an external keyboard for taking notes. The size of display would depend on your comfort. For example, many programmers use 80 character Braille displays. I have seen one of these and it resembles a rifle. How comfortable are you with carrying a Braille display? How do you travel? Another point to consider from the corporate perspective is information interchange. In general, it is good to have your information in a form that is readily accessible to your colleagues. What if you are on leave and someone needs something from you? I speak from experience. Finally, as for running to the boss, sure, all of us have done this and will do more of this but everyone carries a laptop. Its standard equipment. Pranav Register at the dedicated AccessIndia list for discussing accessibility of mobile phones / Tabs on: http://mail.accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/mobile.accessindia_accessindia.org.in Search for old postings at: http://www.mail-archive.com/accessindia@accessindia.org.in/ To unsubscribe send a message to accessindia-requ...@accessindia.org.in with the subject unsubscribe. To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, please visit the list home page at http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in -- Ajay Minocha Mob : +91-7827188455 E mail : ajayminoc...@gmail.com ajayminocha2...@rediffmail.com Skype: ajayminocha2 Register at the dedicated AccessIndia list for discussing accessibility of mobile phones / Tabs on: http://mail.accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/mobile.accessindia_accessindia.org.in Search for old postings at: http://www.mail-archive.com/accessindia@accessindia.org.in/ To unsubscribe send a message to accessindia-requ...@accessindia.org.in with the subject unsubscribe. To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, please visit the list home page at http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in
Re: [AI] Some doubts regarding braille
Hi You do get blue-tooth wireless keyboard which supports phones / desktops. Harish. -Original Message- From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of Ajay Minocha Sent: 03 April 2013 17:17 To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in Subject: Re: [AI] Some doubts regarding braille Hello sir, I haven't planned to use a braille display atleast till 4 to 5 years from now. Because of their cost smile. I generally travel alone. and yes, The idea of buying a vireless keyboard for my phone sounds really nice to me but can it work with my e5? I know that it has it's own keypad but vireless keyboard can not be compared with it's tiny keypad. regards On 4/3/13, Pranav Lal pranav@gmail.com wrote: Hi Ajay, I have been thinking along similar lines. Does Braille give me any additional information that speech can't? I do not have an answer to this question. Much depends on the kinds of documents you right and your learning style that is, do you learn better by speech or by touch? Yes, it may be handy to be able to use Braille during a presentation. I am assuming that you would be using a refreshable Braille display. Braille may also be handy in noisy office environments. However, be warned, reading Braille can be slower than using speech. Remember, you are dealing with a mechanical device. Braille is also good for learning spelling. As for technology failing, your sighted counter parts are as prone to this as you are. In emergencies, I use my smart phone with an external keyboard for taking notes. The size of display would depend on your comfort. For example, many programmers use 80 character Braille displays. I have seen one of these and it resembles a rifle. How comfortable are you with carrying a Braille display? How do you travel? Another point to consider from the corporate perspective is information interchange. In general, it is good to have your information in a form that is readily accessible to your colleagues. What if you are on leave and someone needs something from you? I speak from experience. Finally, as for running to the boss, sure, all of us have done this and will do more of this but everyone carries a laptop. Its standard equipment. Pranav Register at the dedicated AccessIndia list for discussing accessibility of mobile phones / Tabs on: http://mail.accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/mobile.accessindia_accessindia.org.in Search for old postings at: http://www.mail-archive.com/accessindia@accessindia.org.in/ To unsubscribe send a message to accessindia-requ...@accessindia.org.in with the subject unsubscribe. To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, please visit the list home page at http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in -- Ajay Minocha Mob : +91-7827188455 E mail : ajayminoc...@gmail.com ajayminocha2...@rediffmail.com Skype: ajayminocha2 Register at the dedicated AccessIndia list for discussing accessibility of mobile phones / Tabs on: http://mail.accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/mobile.accessindia_accessindia.org.in Search for old postings at: http://www.mail-archive.com/accessindia@accessindia.org.in/ To unsubscribe send a message to accessindia-requ...@accessindia.org.in with the subject unsubscribe. To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, please visit the list home page at http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in Register at the dedicated AccessIndia list for discussing accessibility of mobile phones / Tabs on: http://mail.accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/mobile.accessindia_accessindia.org.in Search for old postings at: http://www.mail-archive.com/accessindia@accessindia.org.in/ To unsubscribe send a message to accessindia-requ...@accessindia.org.in with the subject unsubscribe. To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, please visit the list home page at http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in
Re: [AI] Some doubts regarding Braille
Dear members, Braille is a very logical script, and one can easily learn it if taught properly. I have taught Braille to two sighted persons and both of them learned it in 16 sittings. Learning is not difficult but one has to keep practicing, otherwise one tends to forget whatever one has learned. Braille has to be taught in a step-by-step manner. once the logic behind it is properly explained, a student can grasp it quickly. Professor Shyam M. Sayanekar Telephone: 0251-2438457 Mobile: +91 9920410788 Skype ID- sayanekar - Original Message - From: ss sarfudeen sssarfud...@gmail.com To: accessindia accessindia@accessindia.org.in Sent: Wednesday, April 03, 2013 9:00 PM Subject: [AI] Some doubts regarding Braille Dear Ajay, You can learn Braille in a desired time frame. However, as you may be aware, there are two grades in Braille, grade 1 and grade 2. Grade 1 involves learning to write words using the full spelling and grade 2 is the contracted form. It requires a lot of practice to gain proficiency in the latter as well as reading, but will come handy once attained. It really depends on your level of comfort and the particular situation that you are exposed to in deciding between braille and a laptop for use. Each has its own benefits. Regards, Sultana Register at the dedicated AccessIndia list for discussing accessibility of mobile phones / Tabs on: http://mail.accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/mobile.accessindia_accessindia.org.in Search for old postings at: http://www.mail-archive.com/accessindia@accessindia.org.in/ To unsubscribe send a message to accessindia-requ...@accessindia.org.in with the subject unsubscribe. To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, please visit the list home page at http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in Register at the dedicated AccessIndia list for discussing accessibility of mobile phones / Tabs on: http://mail.accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/mobile.accessindia_accessindia.org.in Search for old postings at: http://www.mail-archive.com/accessindia@accessindia.org.in/ To unsubscribe send a message to accessindia-requ...@accessindia.org.in with the subject unsubscribe. To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, please visit the list home page at http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in
Re: [AI] Some doubts regarding braille
Hi Ajay, I cannot comment on the Nokia E5. If it is a querty phone, then it is unlikely that it will have the keyboard drivers required to run a wireless keyboard. This was the situation with my E72. Pranav Register at the dedicated AccessIndia list for discussing accessibility of mobile phones / Tabs on: http://mail.accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/mobile.accessindia_accessindia.org.in Search for old postings at: http://www.mail-archive.com/accessindia@accessindia.org.in/ To unsubscribe send a message to accessindia-requ...@accessindia.org.in with the subject unsubscribe. To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, please visit the list home page at http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in
Re: [AI] Some doubts regarding Braille
Taken from the Braille monitor, April 2013 Dale, Gale, and Their Braille Tale by the NFB BELL Team I am Dale and I read Braille. I am Gale. What is Braille? Braille is dots, lots and lots. Each dot has its special spot. Why read Braille? inquires Gale. I'd rather climb a mountain trail. Dale, these dots are hard to see. Large print is fine, so let me be. I do not have vision, Gale. That is why I must read Braille. Would you read Braille here or there? I could read Braille anywhere. O dear Gale, I love my Braille. Would you read it in a house? Would you read it to a mouse? I do read it in my house. I do read it to my mouse. I do read Braille here and there. I do read Braille anywhere. O dear Gale, I love my Braille. How about that silly print? Could you read it in a tent? Could you read it in the night? Could you read it without light? I could read Braille at the park! I could read Braille in the dark! I do read Braille here and there. I do read Braille anywhere. O dear Gale, I love my Braille! Would you read Braille in a box? Would you teach Braille to a fox? I could read Braille in a box. I couldn't teach Braille to a fox. Why can't you teach it to a fox? He couldn't feel it through his socks. I could teach it to a girl. Hey, look at that, there goes a squirrel. We could read it in a tree. You could read Braille, don't you see? I do read Braille here and there. I do read Braille anywhere. O dear Gale, I love my Braille! My darling Dale, I think I see. Won't you teach that Braille to me! They tried to teach me in the school. But I told them it wasn't cool. But I was wrong and don't want to fail! I think it's time I learned my Braille! We do read Braille here and there! We do read Braille anywhere! Bumps and dots are cool to read. With this Braille we will succeed! -Original Message- From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of Shyam M. Sayanekar Sent: Wednesday, April 03, 2013 11:51 PM To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in Subject: Re: [AI] Some doubts regarding Braille Dear members, Braille is a very logical script, and one can easily learn it if taught properly. I have taught Braille to two sighted persons and both of them learned it in 16 sittings. Learning is not difficult but one has to keep practicing, otherwise one tends to forget whatever one has learned. Braille has to be taught in a step-by-step manner. once the logic behind it is properly explained, a student can grasp it quickly. Professor Shyam M. Sayanekar Telephone: 0251-2438457 Mobile: +91 9920410788 Skype ID- sayanekar - Original Message - From: ss sarfudeen sssarfud...@gmail.com To: accessindia accessindia@accessindia.org.in Sent: Wednesday, April 03, 2013 9:00 PM Subject: [AI] Some doubts regarding Braille Dear Ajay, You can learn Braille in a desired time frame. However, as you may be aware, there are two grades in Braille, grade 1 and grade 2. Grade 1 involves learning to write words using the full spelling and grade 2 is the contracted form. It requires a lot of practice to gain proficiency in the latter as well as reading, but will come handy once attained. It really depends on your level of comfort and the particular situation that you are exposed to in deciding between braille and a laptop for use. Each has its own benefits. Regards, Sultana Register at the dedicated AccessIndia list for discussing accessibility of mobile phones / Tabs on: http://mail.accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/mobile.accessindia_accessindia.org.in Search for old postings at: http://www.mail-archive.com/accessindia@accessindia.org.in/ To unsubscribe send a message to accessindia-requ...@accessindia.org.in with the subject unsubscribe. To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, please visit the list home page at http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in Register at the dedicated AccessIndia list for discussing accessibility of mobile phones / Tabs on: http://mail.accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/mobile.accessindia_accessindia.org.in Search for old postings at: http://www.mail-archive.com/accessindia@accessindia.org.in/ To unsubscribe send a message to accessindia-requ...@accessindia.org.in with the subject unsubscribe. To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, please visit the list home page at http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in Caution: The Reserve Bank of India never sends mails, smses or makes calls asking for personal information like your bank account details, passwords, etc. It never keeps or offers funds to anyone. Please do not respond in any manner to such offers, however official or attractive they may look. Notice: This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom
Re: [AI] Some doubts regarding Braille
Yes, definitely. Interestingly, a sighted friend of mine had mastered Hindi braille and read a two hundred page book in a couple of days!! The motivation was equally strong: it was the book: stree-purush sahajeevan -Original Message- From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of Shyam M. Sayanekar Sent: Wednesday, April 03, 2013 11:51 PM To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in Subject: Re: [AI] Some doubts regarding Braille Dear members, Braille is a very logical script, and one can easily learn it if taught properly. I have taught Braille to two sighted persons and both of them learned it in 16 sittings. Learning is not difficult but one has to keep practicing, otherwise one tends to forget whatever one has learned. Braille has to be taught in a step-by-step manner. once the logic behind it is properly explained, a student can grasp it quickly. Professor Shyam M. Sayanekar Telephone: 0251-2438457 Mobile: +91 9920410788 Skype ID- sayanekar - Original Message - From: ss sarfudeen sssarfud...@gmail.com To: accessindia accessindia@accessindia.org.in Sent: Wednesday, April 03, 2013 9:00 PM Subject: [AI] Some doubts regarding Braille Dear Ajay, You can learn Braille in a desired time frame. However, as you may be aware, there are two grades in Braille, grade 1 and grade 2. Grade 1 involves learning to write words using the full spelling and grade 2 is the contracted form. It requires a lot of practice to gain proficiency in the latter as well as reading, but will come handy once attained. It really depends on your level of comfort and the particular situation that you are exposed to in deciding between braille and a laptop for use. Each has its own benefits. Regards, Sultana Register at the dedicated AccessIndia list for discussing accessibility of mobile phones / Tabs on: http://mail.accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/mobile.accessindia_accessindia.org.in Search for old postings at: http://www.mail-archive.com/accessindia@accessindia.org.in/ To unsubscribe send a message to accessindia-requ...@accessindia.org.in with the subject unsubscribe. To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, please visit the list home page at http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in Register at the dedicated AccessIndia list for discussing accessibility of mobile phones / Tabs on: http://mail.accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/mobile.accessindia_accessindia.org.in Search for old postings at: http://www.mail-archive.com/accessindia@accessindia.org.in/ To unsubscribe send a message to accessindia-requ...@accessindia.org.in with the subject unsubscribe. To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, please visit the list home page at http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in Caution: The Reserve Bank of India never sends mails, smses or makes calls asking for personal information like your bank account details, passwords, etc. It never keeps or offers funds to anyone. Please do not respond in any manner to such offers, however official or attractive they may look. Notice: This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you are not the intended recipient, any dissemination, use, review, distribution, printing or copying of the information contained in this e-mail message and/or attachments to it are strictly prohibited. If you have received this email by error, please notify us by return e-mail or telephone and immediately and permanently delete the message and any attachments. The recipient should check this email and any attachments for the presence of viruses. The Reserve Bank of India accepts no liability for any damage caused by any virus transmitted by this email. Register at the dedicated AccessIndia list for discussing accessibility of mobile phones / Tabs on: http://mail.accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/mobile.accessindia_accessindia.org.in Search for old postings at: http://www.mail-archive.com/accessindia@accessindia.org.in/ To unsubscribe send a message to accessindia-requ...@accessindia.org.in with the subject unsubscribe. To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, please visit the list home page at http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in
Re: [AI] Some doubts regarding braille
Hello, Bhivani sir, Harish sir, Sandeep sir Many many thanks. Your opinions have given me a new path to explore. I want some more members to speak on this matter. Some younger ones as well. Thanks and regards On 4/2/13, Sandeep Singh sandeepsingh...@gmail.com wrote: Dear Ajay, You can easily learn braille in a month. You can of course keep practicing later on and improve your reading and writing speeds. Learning writing is easier than reading but you can certainly do it in the specified time period and as Harish said it would be quite handy in many situations. Best regards, Sandeep At 10:11 AM 4/2/2013, you wrote: Dear Ajay In a corporate scenario, you will have to make many presentation and provide information or take notes. Taking notes can be done by alternative modes like taking it on laptops, recorders etc. you may have to go to your seniors and taking laptop all the time may not be feasible. It is in these moments where Braille comes really handy. Oftener, technology fails you when you need it the most. Braille will not fail you then. It takes you double the time when you listen on your laptop and you speak it out later on. Braille would be direct. Harish. -Original Message- From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of Ajay Minocha Sent: 02 April 2013 00:19 To: accessindia Subject: [AI] Some doubts regarding braille Hello friends, I think, most of you know about me. Well for those who don't know, I am currently pursuing my final year of graduation from commerce streme. I started using screan readers and other assistive devices in april 2010. I had enough vision at that time to support me in my studies as well as mobility. Since december 2011, due to a sudden diminish in my eyesight, I had to switch to scanning and OCR for my studies and white cane for my mobility needs. Since then, I am dependent on my laptop for note taking and other tasks. I appeared for cat 2012 and got shortlisted for the 2nd round of addmission process of Some IIMs. It was obvious that I never thought of learning braille due to that sudden changing senario of my life. Now when the things are quite setteled down and I find myself comfortable with allmost all the things which I use, I want to ask all the professionals on this list that should I learn braille? I know it may prove really helpful in my day to day tasks but apart from that what benifits of braille do you people see in today's corporate world? If got selected then, I will be having appropsimattely 1 month with me. So can I learn reading and writing english language using braille in this time span? I request all those people who are working specially in corporate world to give me proper guidance. regards -- Ajay Minocha Mob : +91-7827188455 E mail : ajayminoc...@gmail.com ajayminocha2...@rediffmail.com Skype: ajayminocha2 Register at the dedicated AccessIndia list for discussing accessibility of mobile phones / Tabs on: http://mail.accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/mobile.accessindia_accessindia.org.in Search for old postings at: http://www.mail-archive.com/accessindia@accessindia.org.in/ To unsubscribe send a message to accessindia-requ...@accessindia.org.in with the subject unsubscribe. To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, please visit the list home page at http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in Register at the dedicated AccessIndia list for discussing accessibility of mobile phones / Tabs on: http://mail.accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/mobile.accessindia_accessindia.org.in Search for old postings at: http://www.mail-archive.com/accessindia@accessindia.org.in/ To unsubscribe send a message to accessindia-requ...@accessindia.org.in with the subject unsubscribe. To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, please visit the list home page at http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in Register at the dedicated AccessIndia list for discussing accessibility of mobile phones / Tabs on: http://mail.accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/mobile.accessindia_accessindia.org.in Search for old postings at: http://www.mail-archive.com/accessindia@accessindia.org.in/ To unsubscribe send a message to accessindia-requ...@accessindia.org.in with the subject unsubscribe. To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, please visit the list home page at http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in -- Ajay Minocha Mob : +91-7827188455 E mail : ajayminoc...@gmail.com ajayminocha2...@rediffmail.com Skype: ajayminocha2 Register at the dedicated AccessIndia list for discussing accessibility of mobile phones / Tabs on: http://mail.accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/mobile.accessindia_accessindia.org.in Search for old postings at: http://www.mail-archive.com/accessindia@accessindia.org.in/ To unsubscribe send a message
Re: [AI] Some doubts regarding Braille
Hi Ajay, Though I extensively use the computer, phone and voice recorder etc. I sometimes do use Braille at office as well as at home for following purposes, a at office: 1.sticking name tags / title in Braille on various important files and hardcopy papers [hardcopy is quite extensively used in my dept] 2. for noting the phone numbers: I have made a telephone diary of all our offices in India whom aim suppose to call frequently from my desk phone. Of course I can take the number from the computer or my mobile but some time this diary is more handy. 3.For making presentations on powerpoint [Braille notes can be refered too for ensuring correct sequence of your slides and also keeping handi some additional notes] B at home: 1 tagging my important CDs, my cosmetics especially lipsticks [which may not be of much concerned to you though] 2. tagging the containers containing various eatables especially similar textured Daals and floor [Atta] Lastly keeping notes of some confidential things which u do not want others to easily read. Though it is always good to learn Braille as it gives you 1 more means of independence, however not knowing it may not make large difference as a lot of blind people manage very well without Braille also. And ya these were the views of the undersigned who is in her late 20s [not sure if falling in your definition of young persons] Anyways all the very best. Thanks and warm Regards, Nikita V. Raut, Senior Manager [HR] Bank of Baroda, -Original Message- From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of Ajay Minocha Sent: Tuesday, April 02, 2013 2:26 PM To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in Subject: Re: [AI] Some doubts regarding braille Hello, Bhivani sir, Harish sir, Sandeep sir Many many thanks. Your opinions have given me a new path to explore. I want some more members to speak on this matter. Some younger ones as well. Thanks and regards On 4/2/13, Sandeep Singh sandeepsingh...@gmail.com wrote: Dear Ajay, You can easily learn braille in a month. You can of course keep practicing later on and improve your reading and writing speeds. Learning writing is easier than reading but you can certainly do it in the specified time period and as Harish said it would be quite handy in many situations. Best regards, Sandeep At 10:11 AM 4/2/2013, you wrote: Dear Ajay In a corporate scenario, you will have to make many presentation and provide information or take notes. Taking notes can be done by alternative modes like taking it on laptops, recorders etc. you may have to go to your seniors and taking laptop all the time may not be feasible. It is in these moments where Braille comes really handy. Oftener, technology fails you when you need it the most. Braille will not fail you then. It takes you double the time when you listen on your laptop and you speak it out later on. Braille would be direct. Harish. -Original Message- From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of Ajay Minocha Sent: 02 April 2013 00:19 To: accessindia Subject: [AI] Some doubts regarding braille Hello friends, I think, most of you know about me. Well for those who don't know, I am currently pursuing my final year of graduation from commerce streme. I started using screan readers and other assistive devices in april 2010. I had enough vision at that time to support me in my studies as well as mobility. Since december 2011, due to a sudden diminish in my eyesight, I had to switch to scanning and OCR for my studies and white cane for my mobility needs. Since then, I am dependent on my laptop for note taking and other tasks. I appeared for cat 2012 and got shortlisted for the 2nd round of addmission process of Some IIMs. It was obvious that I never thought of learning braille due to that sudden changing senario of my life. Now when the things are quite setteled down and I find myself comfortable with allmost all the things which I use, I want to ask all the professionals on this list that should I learn braille? I know it may prove really helpful in my day to day tasks but apart from that what benifits of braille do you people see in today's corporate world? If got selected then, I will be having appropsimattely 1 month with me. So can I learn reading and writing english language using braille in this time span? I request all those people who are working specially in corporate world to give me proper guidance. regards -- Ajay Minocha Mob : +91-7827188455 E mail : ajayminoc...@gmail.com ajayminocha2...@rediffmail.com Skype: ajayminocha2 Register at the dedicated AccessIndia list for discussing accessibility of mobile phones / Tabs on: http://mail.accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/mobile.accessindia_acc essindia.org.in Search for old postings at: http://www.mail-archive.com/accessindia@accessindia.org.in/ To unsubscribe send a message to accessindia-requ...@accessindia.org.in with the subject unsubscribe. To change your
Re: [AI] Some doubts regarding Braille
Ya sure mam! You fall in my definition for younger people. By using these words I didn't want to hert anybuddies emotions. I just wanted to address those people who have managed without braille since their childhood and now employed. I am sure that people aged over 40 years haven't done that. That is why I mentioned young people. regards On 4/2/13, Nikita Vaid nikita.v...@bankofbaroda.com wrote: Hi Ajay, Though I extensively use the computer, phone and voice recorder etc. I sometimes do use Braille at office as well as at home for following purposes, a at office: 1.sticking name tags / title in Braille on various important files and hardcopy papers [hardcopy is quite extensively used in my dept] 2. for noting the phone numbers: I have made a telephone diary of all our offices in India whom aim suppose to call frequently from my desk phone. Of course I can take the number from the computer or my mobile but some time this diary is more handy. 3.For making presentations on powerpoint [Braille notes can be refered too for ensuring correct sequence of your slides and also keeping handi some additional notes] B at home: 1 tagging my important CDs, my cosmetics especially lipsticks [which may not be of much concerned to you though] 2. tagging the containers containing various eatables especially similar textured Daals and floor [Atta] Lastly keeping notes of some confidential things which u do not want others to easily read. Though it is always good to learn Braille as it gives you 1 more means of independence, however not knowing it may not make large difference as a lot of blind people manage very well without Braille also. And ya these were the views of the undersigned who is in her late 20s [not sure if falling in your definition of young persons] Anyways all the very best. Thanks and warm Regards, Nikita V. Raut, Senior Manager [HR] Bank of Baroda, -Original Message- From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of Ajay Minocha Sent: Tuesday, April 02, 2013 2:26 PM To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in Subject: Re: [AI] Some doubts regarding braille Hello, Bhivani sir, Harish sir, Sandeep sir Many many thanks. Your opinions have given me a new path to explore. I want some more members to speak on this matter. Some younger ones as well. Thanks and regards On 4/2/13, Sandeep Singh sandeepsingh...@gmail.com wrote: Dear Ajay, You can easily learn braille in a month. You can of course keep practicing later on and improve your reading and writing speeds. Learning writing is easier than reading but you can certainly do it in the specified time period and as Harish said it would be quite handy in many situations. Best regards, Sandeep At 10:11 AM 4/2/2013, you wrote: Dear Ajay In a corporate scenario, you will have to make many presentation and provide information or take notes. Taking notes can be done by alternative modes like taking it on laptops, recorders etc. you may have to go to your seniors and taking laptop all the time may not be feasible. It is in these moments where Braille comes really handy. Oftener, technology fails you when you need it the most. Braille will not fail you then. It takes you double the time when you listen on your laptop and you speak it out later on. Braille would be direct. Harish. -Original Message- From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of Ajay Minocha Sent: 02 April 2013 00:19 To: accessindia Subject: [AI] Some doubts regarding braille Hello friends, I think, most of you know about me. Well for those who don't know, I am currently pursuing my final year of graduation from commerce streme. I started using screan readers and other assistive devices in april 2010. I had enough vision at that time to support me in my studies as well as mobility. Since december 2011, due to a sudden diminish in my eyesight, I had to switch to scanning and OCR for my studies and white cane for my mobility needs. Since then, I am dependent on my laptop for note taking and other tasks. I appeared for cat 2012 and got shortlisted for the 2nd round of addmission process of Some IIMs. It was obvious that I never thought of learning braille due to that sudden changing senario of my life. Now when the things are quite setteled down and I find myself comfortable with allmost all the things which I use, I want to ask all the professionals on this list that should I learn braille? I know it may prove really helpful in my day to day tasks but apart from that what benifits of braille do you people see in today's corporate world? If got selected then, I will be having appropsimattely 1 month with me. So can I learn reading and writing english language using braille in this time span? I request all those people who are working specially in corporate world to give me proper guidance. regards -- Ajay Minocha Mob : +91-7827188455 E mail : ajayminoc...@gmail.com
Re: [AI] Some doubts regarding braille
Dear Ajay, Firstly, congratulations for having short-listed in IIMS. All the best for the process ahead. Just to give a different perspective, While braille does have some great usage, Personally, I have never used it. I have been able to manage without having any knowledge of braille. I have extensively used and integrated technology in my life for all possible things whether professionally or during my MBA days, The lack of braille knowledge never restricted my ability to do any thing. Having said that, knowing any new or additional skill is never going to go waste. It will certainly be useful in some way or the other at some time.. On 4/2/13, Ajay Minocha ajayminoc...@gmail.com wrote: Hello, Bhivani sir, Harish sir, Sandeep sir Many many thanks. Your opinions have given me a new path to explore. I want some more members to speak on this matter. Some younger ones as well. Thanks and regards On 4/2/13, Sandeep Singh sandeepsingh...@gmail.com wrote: Dear Ajay, You can easily learn braille in a month. You can of course keep practicing later on and improve your reading and writing speeds. Learning writing is easier than reading but you can certainly do it in the specified time period and as Harish said it would be quite handy in many situations. Best regards, Sandeep At 10:11 AM 4/2/2013, you wrote: Dear Ajay In a corporate scenario, you will have to make many presentation and provide information or take notes. Taking notes can be done by alternative modes like taking it on laptops, recorders etc. you may have to go to your seniors and taking laptop all the time may not be feasible. It is in these moments where Braille comes really handy. Oftener, technology fails you when you need it the most. Braille will not fail you then. It takes you double the time when you listen on your laptop and you speak it out later on. Braille would be direct. Harish. -Original Message- From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of Ajay Minocha Sent: 02 April 2013 00:19 To: accessindia Subject: [AI] Some doubts regarding braille Hello friends, I think, most of you know about me. Well for those who don't know, I am currently pursuing my final year of graduation from commerce streme. I started using screan readers and other assistive devices in april 2010. I had enough vision at that time to support me in my studies as well as mobility. Since december 2011, due to a sudden diminish in my eyesight, I had to switch to scanning and OCR for my studies and white cane for my mobility needs. Since then, I am dependent on my laptop for note taking and other tasks. I appeared for cat 2012 and got shortlisted for the 2nd round of addmission process of Some IIMs. It was obvious that I never thought of learning braille due to that sudden changing senario of my life. Now when the things are quite setteled down and I find myself comfortable with allmost all the things which I use, I want to ask all the professionals on this list that should I learn braille? I know it may prove really helpful in my day to day tasks but apart from that what benifits of braille do you people see in today's corporate world? If got selected then, I will be having appropsimattely 1 month with me. So can I learn reading and writing english language using braille in this time span? I request all those people who are working specially in corporate world to give me proper guidance. regards -- Ajay Minocha Mob : +91-7827188455 E mail : ajayminoc...@gmail.com ajayminocha2...@rediffmail.com Skype: ajayminocha2 Register at the dedicated AccessIndia list for discussing accessibility of mobile phones / Tabs on: http://mail.accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/mobile.accessindia_accessindia.org.in Search for old postings at: http://www.mail-archive.com/accessindia@accessindia.org.in/ To unsubscribe send a message to accessindia-requ...@accessindia.org.in with the subject unsubscribe. To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, please visit the list home page at http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in Register at the dedicated AccessIndia list for discussing accessibility of mobile phones / Tabs on: http://mail.accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/mobile.accessindia_accessindia.org.in Search for old postings at: http://www.mail-archive.com/accessindia@accessindia.org.in/ To unsubscribe send a message to accessindia-requ...@accessindia.org.in with the subject unsubscribe. To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, please visit the list home page at http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in Register at the dedicated AccessIndia list for discussing accessibility of mobile phones / Tabs on: http://mail.accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/mobile.accessindia_accessindia.org.in Search for old postings at: http://www.mail-archive.com/accessindia@accessindia.org.in/ To
Re: [AI] Some doubts regarding braille
Hi ankit, How do you handle presentations? I had some vision when I talked to you but now I can barely identify bigger objects. That is the reason of thinking about braille. regards On 4/2/13, Ankit rajiv Jindal ankitjinda...@gmail.com wrote: Dear Ajay, Firstly, congratulations for having short-listed in IIMS. All the best for the process ahead. Just to give a different perspective, While braille does have some great usage, Personally, I have never used it. I have been able to manage without having any knowledge of braille. I have extensively used and integrated technology in my life for all possible things whether professionally or during my MBA days, The lack of braille knowledge never restricted my ability to do any thing. Having said that, knowing any new or additional skill is never going to go waste. It will certainly be useful in some way or the other at some time.. On 4/2/13, Ajay Minocha ajayminoc...@gmail.com wrote: Hello, Bhivani sir, Harish sir, Sandeep sir Many many thanks. Your opinions have given me a new path to explore. I want some more members to speak on this matter. Some younger ones as well. Thanks and regards On 4/2/13, Sandeep Singh sandeepsingh...@gmail.com wrote: Dear Ajay, You can easily learn braille in a month. You can of course keep practicing later on and improve your reading and writing speeds. Learning writing is easier than reading but you can certainly do it in the specified time period and as Harish said it would be quite handy in many situations. Best regards, Sandeep At 10:11 AM 4/2/2013, you wrote: Dear Ajay In a corporate scenario, you will have to make many presentation and provide information or take notes. Taking notes can be done by alternative modes like taking it on laptops, recorders etc. you may have to go to your seniors and taking laptop all the time may not be feasible. It is in these moments where Braille comes really handy. Oftener, technology fails you when you need it the most. Braille will not fail you then. It takes you double the time when you listen on your laptop and you speak it out later on. Braille would be direct. Harish. -Original Message- From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of Ajay Minocha Sent: 02 April 2013 00:19 To: accessindia Subject: [AI] Some doubts regarding braille Hello friends, I think, most of you know about me. Well for those who don't know, I am currently pursuing my final year of graduation from commerce streme. I started using screan readers and other assistive devices in april 2010. I had enough vision at that time to support me in my studies as well as mobility. Since december 2011, due to a sudden diminish in my eyesight, I had to switch to scanning and OCR for my studies and white cane for my mobility needs. Since then, I am dependent on my laptop for note taking and other tasks. I appeared for cat 2012 and got shortlisted for the 2nd round of addmission process of Some IIMs. It was obvious that I never thought of learning braille due to that sudden changing senario of my life. Now when the things are quite setteled down and I find myself comfortable with allmost all the things which I use, I want to ask all the professionals on this list that should I learn braille? I know it may prove really helpful in my day to day tasks but apart from that what benifits of braille do you people see in today's corporate world? If got selected then, I will be having appropsimattely 1 month with me. So can I learn reading and writing english language using braille in this time span? I request all those people who are working specially in corporate world to give me proper guidance. regards -- Ajay Minocha Mob : +91-7827188455 E mail : ajayminoc...@gmail.com ajayminocha2...@rediffmail.com Skype: ajayminocha2 Register at the dedicated AccessIndia list for discussing accessibility of mobile phones / Tabs on: http://mail.accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/mobile.accessindia_accessindia.org.in Search for old postings at: http://www.mail-archive.com/accessindia@accessindia.org.in/ To unsubscribe send a message to accessindia-requ...@accessindia.org.in with the subject unsubscribe. To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, please visit the list home page at http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in Register at the dedicated AccessIndia list for discussing accessibility of mobile phones / Tabs on: http://mail.accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/mobile.accessindia_accessindia.org.in Search for old postings at: http://www.mail-archive.com/accessindia@accessindia.org.in/ To unsubscribe send a message to accessindia-requ...@accessindia.org.in with the subject unsubscribe. To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, please visit the list home page at http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in Register at the dedicated
Re: [AI] Some doubts regarding braille
Ajay, Care you referring to making presentations or attending presentations? For making presentations, you can take the help of screen reader using head phone on one ear. For attending presentations, you may ask presenter to email you deck in advance so that you can view it using your laptop... Regards, Srinivasu http://srinivasu.org Twitter: @vasutweets Sent from my iPad On Apr 2, 2013, at 9:31 PM, Ajay Minocha ajayminoc...@gmail.com wrote: Hi ankit, How do you handle presentations? I had some vision when I talked to you but now I can barely identify bigger objects. That is the reason of thinking about braille. regards On 4/2/13, Ankit rajiv Jindal ankitjinda...@gmail.com wrote: Dear Ajay, Firstly, congratulations for having short-listed in IIMS. All the best for the process ahead. Just to give a different perspective, While braille does have some great usage, Personally, I have never used it. I have been able to manage without having any knowledge of braille. I have extensively used and integrated technology in my life for all possible things whether professionally or during my MBA days, The lack of braille knowledge never restricted my ability to do any thing. Having said that, knowing any new or additional skill is never going to go waste. It will certainly be useful in some way or the other at some time.. On 4/2/13, Ajay Minocha ajayminoc...@gmail.com wrote: Hello, Bhivani sir, Harish sir, Sandeep sir Many many thanks. Your opinions have given me a new path to explore. I want some more members to speak on this matter. Some younger ones as well. Thanks and regards On 4/2/13, Sandeep Singh sandeepsingh...@gmail.com wrote: Dear Ajay, You can easily learn braille in a month. You can of course keep practicing later on and improve your reading and writing speeds. Learning writing is easier than reading but you can certainly do it in the specified time period and as Harish said it would be quite handy in many situations. Best regards, Sandeep At 10:11 AM 4/2/2013, you wrote: Dear Ajay In a corporate scenario, you will have to make many presentation and provide information or take notes. Taking notes can be done by alternative modes like taking it on laptops, recorders etc. you may have to go to your seniors and taking laptop all the time may not be feasible. It is in these moments where Braille comes really handy. Oftener, technology fails you when you need it the most. Braille will not fail you then. It takes you double the time when you listen on your laptop and you speak it out later on. Braille would be direct. Harish. -Original Message- From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of Ajay Minocha Sent: 02 April 2013 00:19 To: accessindia Subject: [AI] Some doubts regarding braille Hello friends, I think, most of you know about me. Well for those who don't know, I am currently pursuing my final year of graduation from commerce streme. I started using screan readers and other assistive devices in april 2010. I had enough vision at that time to support me in my studies as well as mobility. Since december 2011, due to a sudden diminish in my eyesight, I had to switch to scanning and OCR for my studies and white cane for my mobility needs. Since then, I am dependent on my laptop for note taking and other tasks. I appeared for cat 2012 and got shortlisted for the 2nd round of addmission process of Some IIMs. It was obvious that I never thought of learning braille due to that sudden changing senario of my life. Now when the things are quite setteled down and I find myself comfortable with allmost all the things which I use, I want to ask all the professionals on this list that should I learn braille? I know it may prove really helpful in my day to day tasks but apart from that what benifits of braille do you people see in today's corporate world? If got selected then, I will be having appropsimattely 1 month with me. So can I learn reading and writing english language using braille in this time span? I request all those people who are working specially in corporate world to give me proper guidance. regards -- Ajay Minocha Mob : +91-7827188455 E mail : ajayminoc...@gmail.com ajayminocha2...@rediffmail.com Skype: ajayminocha2 Register at the dedicated AccessIndia list for discussing accessibility of mobile phones / Tabs on: http://mail.accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/mobile.accessindia_accessindia.org.in Search for old postings at: http://www.mail-archive.com/accessindia@accessindia.org.in/ To unsubscribe send a message to accessindia-requ...@accessindia.org.in with the subject unsubscribe. To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, please visit the list home page at http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in Register at the dedicated AccessIndia list for
Re: [AI] Some doubts regarding Braille
Not only for deaf blind but also for blind. If we have to listen to someone while using computer, braille displays are of better help than screan readers. With regards, Jaison Bellarmine -Original message- From: bhawani shankar verma Sent: 02/04/2013, 7:12 pm To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in Subject: Re: [AI] Important of Brail Re: Some doubts regarding Braille braille display devices are useful to deaf-blind persons, who use computers. Register at the dedicated AccessIndia list for discussing accessibility of mobile phones / Tabs on: http://mail.accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/mobile.accessindia_accessindia.org.in Search for old postings at: http://www.mail-archive.com/accessindia@accessindia.org.in/ To unsubscribe send a message to accessindia-requ...@accessindia.org.in with the subject unsubscribe. To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, please visit the list home page at http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in Register at the dedicated AccessIndia list for discussing accessibility of mobile phones / Tabs on: http://mail.accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/mobile.accessindia_accessindia.org.in Search for old postings at: http://www.mail-archive.com/accessindia@accessindia.org.in/ To unsubscribe send a message to accessindia-requ...@accessindia.org.in with the subject unsubscribe. To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, please visit the list home page at http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in
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Hi Ajay, I learned braille at school but never used it for many years. My current job with a bank here in the UK however requires me to constantly deal with figures, and doing this job would be impossible without braille. Listening to Jaws say 1238483 is very different from having this figure under your fingers. If you have the opportunity and the inclination to learn braille, go ahead and do so. It will come in handy at some point of time, if not right away. Geetha -Original Message- From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of Ajay Minocha Sent: 01 April 2013 19:49 To: accessindia Subject: [AI] Some doubts regarding braille Hello friends, I think, most of you know about me. Well for those who don't know, I am currently pursuing my final year of graduation from commerce streme. I started using screan readers and other assistive devices in april 2010. I had enough vision at that time to support me in my studies as well as mobility. Since december 2011, due to a sudden diminish in my eyesight, I had to switch to scanning and OCR for my studies and white cane for my mobility needs. Since then, I am dependent on my laptop for note taking and other tasks. I appeared for cat 2012 and got shortlisted for the 2nd round of addmission process of Some IIMs. It was obvious that I never thought of learning braille due to that sudden changing senario of my life. Now when the things are quite setteled down and I find myself comfortable with allmost all the things which I use, I want to ask all the professionals on this list that should I learn braille? I know it may prove really helpful in my day to day tasks but apart from that what benifits of braille do you people see in today's corporate world? If got selected then, I will be having appropsimattely 1 month with me. So can I learn reading and writing english language using braille in this time span? I request all those people who are working specially in corporate world to give me proper guidance. regards -- Ajay Minocha Mob : +91-7827188455 E mail : ajayminoc...@gmail.com ajayminocha2...@rediffmail.com Skype: ajayminocha2 Register at the dedicated AccessIndia list for discussing accessibility of mobile phones / Tabs on: http://mail.accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/mobile.accessindia_accessind ia.org.in Search for old postings at: http://www.mail-archive.com/accessindia@accessindia.org.in/ To unsubscribe send a message to accessindia-requ...@accessindia.org.in with the subject unsubscribe. To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, please visit the list home page at http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in Register at the dedicated AccessIndia list for discussing accessibility of mobile phones / Tabs on: http://mail.accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/mobile.accessindia_accessindia.org.in Search for old postings at: http://www.mail-archive.com/accessindia@accessindia.org.in/ To unsubscribe send a message to accessindia-requ...@accessindia.org.in with the subject unsubscribe. To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, please visit the list home page at http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in
Re: [AI] Some doubts regarding Braille.
Hey Champ, First, I am not talking of advantages or disadvantages of Braille or technology. Lot of it has been already said. Second, to others lot of things may sound irrelevant, but for you, its just to give you experience of all situations which I have been in. For busy bosses, read it while relaxing, and oh yeah, you can also invite me for a cup of coffee if you are having one in your hand :) Look, I had pursued most of my schooling in a hindi medium blind school, thus using computer for us was like dealing with something foreign to our brain for quite a long time. Though how I ended up learning computer is altogether separate thing, but for quite a long, Braille was the only source I relied upon. Now to address your question of taking notes in the class where you are the only figure who is blind etc., I did in my 12th class where I was studying with sighted colleagues (specifically addressing in this context).. Now a days you can take advantage of luxury offered by the Braillers, note takers and Braille Displays, which reduces your effort of embossing the dot on the paper and the sound which is being generated. And as far as speed is concerned, trust me even if you use that interpoint slate or what we called German slate for quite a long which comes without the additional guide, for day to day purposes, someone new listening to your speed can give the compliment that you are sounding like an old Braille Press hammering for embossing dots on the paper! You can complete both the sides of a page in 2.5 minutes. Of course using devices can substantially increase your speed. So, it was never a problem even with those traditional methods. And now with the devices, surely you won't feel anything bad if at all one wants to feel that way. Now when I entered in my college life, which was firstly English medium, so I could take the best advantage offered by the computer and scanning softwares, and that is what I did eventually. From that point onwards till date, where I am about to give a good start to my career, I didn't have a situation where I had to use Braille for reading in general, writing, making presentation (reading the speaker notes or looking at slides). I could well manage it with Jaws. So, what you should be considering essentially is: 1. What is your proficiency with Assistive Technologies or Screen Reader to be specific? How quickly you are able to follow and speak it out when you listen anything? Try reading a paragraph and see the result. Kartik is solid example of what speed may mean to someone. I am not great at it, but I will surely make use of technology itself and eventually come down to a good level. While reading, don't just only consider that you are able to follow the word and throw it out from your mouth, punctuation, pauses, (those minute things which are told to us for being a good reader). Record and listen back. That's the best I can think off. 2. Based on what you opt for, the nature of the material which you are going to refer would also be a factor to be considered. Remember Nikita didi's example of taking phone numbers 3. Do you have a problem of not knowing the right spellings? If so, reading Braille can eliminate the same to a great extent. To keep the short story long ( Its reverse in my case, :) ), on a day to day basis Braille may not be a usable option despite the fact of having good speed etc, as papers, actually the bulk, availability of space, environment are the constraints. And in my case, add laziness after knowing computer too :d But having known Braille can help you in situation like that of making presentations if after considering all of what has been said here, you feel that there may be scope of delivering better if you use Braille as one of the options. Labeling also can be a point to be considered as though there are software ways of doing it, but just by touching the Braille, you can figure out quickly I guess. Lastly, as far as learning is concerned, writing is quicker once you understand the dots structure to learn. Reading will take some sort of time, but give it a try. Focus on Contraction eventually as our idea is to have the super speed wherever possible though generally now-a-days its not so recommended to youngsters as due to contracted Braille, they actually forget the full things. Get that x-ray sheet for embossing the dots which make the letters and numbers, so that you can touch it a lot for understanding, without affecting the dots much. Have some more crazy ideas to suggest for such solid objects like x-ray, but it is a mailing list! Bottom line, no problem in learning if you can spare out the time after deciding its priority in your life, and I am just a call away should you need any help or want to discuss anything. With Lots of Affection, -- Amar Jain. Website: www.amarjain.com Register at the dedicated AccessIndia list for discussing accessibility of mobile phones / Tabs on:
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Hi Nikita, snipp 2. for noting the phone numbers: I have made a telephone diary of all our offices in India whom aim suppose to call frequently from my desk phone. Of course I can take the number from the computer or my mobile but some time this diary is more handy. PL] Could you elaborate on when the Braille diary is more handy? How do you keep it updated? Pranav Register at the dedicated AccessIndia list for discussing accessibility of mobile phones / Tabs on: http://mail.accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/mobile.accessindia_accessindia.org.in Search for old postings at: http://www.mail-archive.com/accessindia@accessindia.org.in/ To unsubscribe send a message to accessindia-requ...@accessindia.org.in with the subject unsubscribe. To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, please visit the list home page at http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in
Re: [AI] Some doubts regarding braille
Hi Ajay, I have been thinking along similar lines. Does Braille give me any additional information that speech can't? I do not have an answer to this question. Much depends on the kinds of documents you right and your learning style that is, do you learn better by speech or by touch? Yes, it may be handy to be able to use Braille during a presentation. I am assuming that you would be using a refreshable Braille display. Braille may also be handy in noisy office environments. However, be warned, reading Braille can be slower than using speech. Remember, you are dealing with a mechanical device. Braille is also good for learning spelling. As for technology failing, your sighted counter parts are as prone to this as you are. In emergencies, I use my smart phone with an external keyboard for taking notes. The size of display would depend on your comfort. For example, many programmers use 80 character Braille displays. I have seen one of these and it resembles a rifle. How comfortable are you with carrying a Braille display? How do you travel? Another point to consider from the corporate perspective is information interchange. In general, it is good to have your information in a form that is readily accessible to your colleagues. What if you are on leave and someone needs something from you? I speak from experience. Finally, as for running to the boss, sure, all of us have done this and will do more of this but everyone carries a laptop. Its standard equipment. Pranav Register at the dedicated AccessIndia list for discussing accessibility of mobile phones / Tabs on: http://mail.accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/mobile.accessindia_accessindia.org.in Search for old postings at: http://www.mail-archive.com/accessindia@accessindia.org.in/ To unsubscribe send a message to accessindia-requ...@accessindia.org.in with the subject unsubscribe. To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, please visit the list home page at http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in
Re: [AI] Some doubts regarding Braille
Hello, the one example of using braill phone diary is like this: sometimes, my system gets hanged or, of I encounter any other problem, in office like sitting with somebody on his place, and if during the time if it required to connect with any of my zone's branches, or HO's Dep. I never have problem of extracting numbers, as I too maintain it in braill. In fact, 3-and-a-half years back when I was assigned the responsibility of Zonal Head's secretariat, initially it took around a month to get it Equipped with necessary technological support. During the time I extensively used braill diary for discharge of my duty. On 4/2/13, Nikita Vaid nikita.v...@bankofbaroda.com wrote: Hi Ajay, Though I extensively use the computer, phone and voice recorder etc. I sometimes do use Braille at office as well as at home for following purposes, a at office: 1.sticking name tags / title in Braille on various important files and hardcopy papers [hardcopy is quite extensively used in my dept] 2. for noting the phone numbers: I have made a telephone diary of all our offices in India whom aim suppose to call frequently from my desk phone. Of course I can take the number from the computer or my mobile but some time this diary is more handy. 3.For making presentations on powerpoint [Braille notes can be refered too for ensuring correct sequence of your slides and also keeping handi some additional notes] B at home: 1 tagging my important CDs, my cosmetics especially lipsticks [which may not be of much concerned to you though] 2. tagging the containers containing various eatables especially similar textured Daals and floor [Atta] Lastly keeping notes of some confidential things which u do not want others to easily read. Though it is always good to learn Braille as it gives you 1 more means of independence, however not knowing it may not make large difference as a lot of blind people manage very well without Braille also. And ya these were the views of the undersigned who is in her late 20s [not sure if falling in your definition of young persons] Anyways all the very best. Thanks and warm Regards, Nikita V. Raut, Senior Manager [HR] Bank of Baroda, -Original Message- From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of Ajay Minocha Sent: Tuesday, April 02, 2013 2:26 PM To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in Subject: Re: [AI] Some doubts regarding braille Hello, Bhivani sir, Harish sir, Sandeep sir Many many thanks. Your opinions have given me a new path to explore. I want some more members to speak on this matter. Some younger ones as well. Thanks and regards On 4/2/13, Sandeep Singh sandeepsingh...@gmail.com wrote: Dear Ajay, You can easily learn braille in a month. You can of course keep practicing later on and improve your reading and writing speeds. Learning writing is easier than reading but you can certainly do it in the specified time period and as Harish said it would be quite handy in many situations. Best regards, Sandeep At 10:11 AM 4/2/2013, you wrote: Dear Ajay In a corporate scenario, you will have to make many presentation and provide information or take notes. Taking notes can be done by alternative modes like taking it on laptops, recorders etc. you may have to go to your seniors and taking laptop all the time may not be feasible. It is in these moments where Braille comes really handy. Oftener, technology fails you when you need it the most. Braille will not fail you then. It takes you double the time when you listen on your laptop and you speak it out later on. Braille would be direct. Harish. -Original Message- From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of Ajay Minocha Sent: 02 April 2013 00:19 To: accessindia Subject: [AI] Some doubts regarding braille Hello friends, I think, most of you know about me. Well for those who don't know, I am currently pursuing my final year of graduation from commerce streme. I started using screan readers and other assistive devices in april 2010. I had enough vision at that time to support me in my studies as well as mobility. Since december 2011, due to a sudden diminish in my eyesight, I had to switch to scanning and OCR for my studies and white cane for my mobility needs. Since then, I am dependent on my laptop for note taking and other tasks. I appeared for cat 2012 and got shortlisted for the 2nd round of addmission process of Some IIMs. It was obvious that I never thought of learning braille due to that sudden changing senario of my life. Now when the things are quite setteled down and I find myself comfortable with allmost all the things which I use, I want to ask all the professionals on this list that should I learn braille? I know it may prove really helpful in my day to day tasks but apart from that what benifits of braille do you people see in today's corporate world? If got selected then, I will be having appropsimattely 1
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Hi bro, Thanks a lot for cutting the short story long. My story has been allmost similar to you the only difference was, I didn't have any thing for note taking in my 12th standard. I generally use jaws at a speed of 70 to 75% while reading a document or studying. Otherwise, it is 85+. But I have never tried the way you suggested me. And, I am not planning to use braille in main streme. It is mainly for taking notes and labeling. regards On 4/3/13, Amar Jain amarjain2...@gmail.com wrote: Hey Champ, First, I am not talking of advantages or disadvantages of Braille or technology. Lot of it has been already said. Second, to others lot of things may sound irrelevant, but for you, its just to give you experience of all situations which I have been in. For busy bosses, read it while relaxing, and oh yeah, you can also invite me for a cup of coffee if you are having one in your hand :) Look, I had pursued most of my schooling in a hindi medium blind school, thus using computer for us was like dealing with something foreign to our brain for quite a long time. Though how I ended up learning computer is altogether separate thing, but for quite a long, Braille was the only source I relied upon. Now to address your question of taking notes in the class where you are the only figure who is blind etc., I did in my 12th class where I was studying with sighted colleagues (specifically addressing in this context).. Now a days you can take advantage of luxury offered by the Braillers, note takers and Braille Displays, which reduces your effort of embossing the dot on the paper and the sound which is being generated. And as far as speed is concerned, trust me even if you use that interpoint slate or what we called German slate for quite a long which comes without the additional guide, for day to day purposes, someone new listening to your speed can give the compliment that you are sounding like an old Braille Press hammering for embossing dots on the paper! You can complete both the sides of a page in 2.5 minutes. Of course using devices can substantially increase your speed. So, it was never a problem even with those traditional methods. And now with the devices, surely you won't feel anything bad if at all one wants to feel that way. Now when I entered in my college life, which was firstly English medium, so I could take the best advantage offered by the computer and scanning softwares, and that is what I did eventually. From that point onwards till date, where I am about to give a good start to my career, I didn't have a situation where I had to use Braille for reading in general, writing, making presentation (reading the speaker notes or looking at slides). I could well manage it with Jaws. So, what you should be considering essentially is: 1. What is your proficiency with Assistive Technologies or Screen Reader to be specific? How quickly you are able to follow and speak it out when you listen anything? Try reading a paragraph and see the result. Kartik is solid example of what speed may mean to someone. I am not great at it, but I will surely make use of technology itself and eventually come down to a good level. While reading, don't just only consider that you are able to follow the word and throw it out from your mouth, punctuation, pauses, (those minute things which are told to us for being a good reader). Record and listen back. That's the best I can think off. 2. Based on what you opt for, the nature of the material which you are going to refer would also be a factor to be considered. Remember Nikita didi's example of taking phone numbers 3. Do you have a problem of not knowing the right spellings? If so, reading Braille can eliminate the same to a great extent. To keep the short story long ( Its reverse in my case, :) ), on a day to day basis Braille may not be a usable option despite the fact of having good speed etc, as papers, actually the bulk, availability of space, environment are the constraints. And in my case, add laziness after knowing computer too :d But having known Braille can help you in situation like that of making presentations if after considering all of what has been said here, you feel that there may be scope of delivering better if you use Braille as one of the options. Labeling also can be a point to be considered as though there are software ways of doing it, but just by touching the Braille, you can figure out quickly I guess. Lastly, as far as learning is concerned, writing is quicker once you understand the dots structure to learn. Reading will take some sort of time, but give it a try. Focus on Contraction eventually as our idea is to have the super speed wherever possible though generally now-a-days its not so recommended to youngsters as due to contracted Braille, they actually forget the full things. Get that x-ray sheet for embossing the dots which make the letters and numbers, so that you can touch
Re: [AI] Some doubts regarding Braille.
is it possible to under stand the document at 70 to 75 speed? - Original Message - From: Ajay Minocha ajayminoc...@gmail.com To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in Sent: Wednesday, April 03, 2013 8:49 AM Subject: Re: [AI] Some doubts regarding Braille. Hi bro, Thanks a lot for cutting the short story long. My story has been allmost similar to you the only difference was, I didn't have any thing for note taking in my 12th standard. I generally use jaws at a speed of 70 to 75% while reading a document or studying. Otherwise, it is 85+. But I have never tried the way you suggested me. And, I am not planning to use braille in main streme. It is mainly for taking notes and labeling. regards On 4/3/13, Amar Jain amarjain2...@gmail.com wrote: Hey Champ, First, I am not talking of advantages or disadvantages of Braille or technology. Lot of it has been already said. Second, to others lot of things may sound irrelevant, but for you, its just to give you experience of all situations which I have been in. For busy bosses, read it while relaxing, and oh yeah, you can also invite me for a cup of coffee if you are having one in your hand :) Look, I had pursued most of my schooling in a hindi medium blind school, thus using computer for us was like dealing with something foreign to our brain for quite a long time. Though how I ended up learning computer is altogether separate thing, but for quite a long, Braille was the only source I relied upon. Now to address your question of taking notes in the class where you are the only figure who is blind etc., I did in my 12th class where I was studying with sighted colleagues (specifically addressing in this context).. Now a days you can take advantage of luxury offered by the Braillers, note takers and Braille Displays, which reduces your effort of embossing the dot on the paper and the sound which is being generated. And as far as speed is concerned, trust me even if you use that interpoint slate or what we called German slate for quite a long which comes without the additional guide, for day to day purposes, someone new listening to your speed can give the compliment that you are sounding like an old Braille Press hammering for embossing dots on the paper! You can complete both the sides of a page in 2.5 minutes. Of course using devices can substantially increase your speed. So, it was never a problem even with those traditional methods. And now with the devices, surely you won't feel anything bad if at all one wants to feel that way. Now when I entered in my college life, which was firstly English medium, so I could take the best advantage offered by the computer and scanning softwares, and that is what I did eventually. From that point onwards till date, where I am about to give a good start to my career, I didn't have a situation where I had to use Braille for reading in general, writing, making presentation (reading the speaker notes or looking at slides). I could well manage it with Jaws. So, what you should be considering essentially is: 1. What is your proficiency with Assistive Technologies or Screen Reader to be specific? How quickly you are able to follow and speak it out when you listen anything? Try reading a paragraph and see the result. Kartik is solid example of what speed may mean to someone. I am not great at it, but I will surely make use of technology itself and eventually come down to a good level. While reading, don't just only consider that you are able to follow the word and throw it out from your mouth, punctuation, pauses, (those minute things which are told to us for being a good reader). Record and listen back. That's the best I can think off. 2. Based on what you opt for, the nature of the material which you are going to refer would also be a factor to be considered. Remember Nikita didi's example of taking phone numbers 3. Do you have a problem of not knowing the right spellings? If so, reading Braille can eliminate the same to a great extent. To keep the short story long ( Its reverse in my case, :) ), on a day to day basis Braille may not be a usable option despite the fact of having good speed etc, as papers, actually the bulk, availability of space, environment are the constraints. And in my case, add laziness after knowing computer too :d But having known Braille can help you in situation like that of making presentations if after considering all of what has been said here, you feel that there may be scope of delivering better if you use Braille as one of the options. Labeling also can be a point to be considered as though there are software ways of doing it, but just by touching the Braille, you can figure out quickly I guess. Lastly, as far as learning is concerned, writing is quicker once you understand the dots structure to learn. Reading will take some sort of time, but give it a try. Focus on Contraction eventually as our idea is to have the super speed wherever possible though generally now-a-days its not so
Re: [AI] Some doubts regarding braille
this will help you to take short notes on your study. also to take handouts of your study matterials. anything you want to note instantly. any paragraph or part of a book, which you have to quote and unable to remember, you can right down it on braille and can read. unfortunately, computing techniques can't do these things due to its transitory structure. undoubtedly, braille is a basic need for the blind. - Original Message - From: Ajay Minocha ajayminoc...@gmail.com To: accessindia accessindia@accessindia.org.in Sent: Tuesday, April 02, 2013 12:18 AM Subject: [AI] Some doubts regarding braille Hello friends, I think, most of you know about me. Well for those who don't know, I am currently pursuing my final year of graduation from commerce streme. I started using screan readers and other assistive devices in april 2010. I had enough vision at that time to support me in my studies as well as mobility. Since december 2011, due to a sudden diminish in my eyesight, I had to switch to scanning and OCR for my studies and white cane for my mobility needs. Since then, I am dependent on my laptop for note taking and other tasks. I appeared for cat 2012 and got shortlisted for the 2nd round of addmission process of Some IIMs. It was obvious that I never thought of learning braille due to that sudden changing senario of my life. Now when the things are quite setteled down and I find myself comfortable with allmost all the things which I use, I want to ask all the professionals on this list that should I learn braille? I know it may prove really helpful in my day to day tasks but apart from that what benifits of braille do you people see in today's corporate world? If got selected then, I will be having appropsimattely 1 month with me. So can I learn reading and writing english language using braille in this time span? I request all those people who are working specially in corporate world to give me proper guidance. regards -- Ajay Minocha Mob : +91-7827188455 E mail : ajayminoc...@gmail.com ajayminocha2...@rediffmail.com Skype: ajayminocha2 Register at the dedicated AccessIndia list for discussing accessibility of mobile phones / Tabs on: http://mail.accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/mobile.accessindia_accessindia.org.in Search for old postings at: http://www.mail-archive.com/accessindia@accessindia.org.in/ To unsubscribe send a message to accessindia-requ...@accessindia.org.in with the subject unsubscribe. To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, please visit the list home page at http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in Register at the dedicated AccessIndia list for discussing accessibility of mobile phones / Tabs on: http://mail.accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/mobile.accessindia_accessindia.org.in Search for old postings at: http://www.mail-archive.com/accessindia@accessindia.org.in/ To unsubscribe send a message to accessindia-requ...@accessindia.org.in with the subject unsubscribe. To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, please visit the list home page at http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in
Re: [AI] Some doubts regarding braille
Dear Ajay In a corporate scenario, you will have to make many presentation and provide information or take notes. Taking notes can be done by alternative modes like taking it on laptops, recorders etc. you may have to go to your seniors and taking laptop all the time may not be feasible. It is in these moments where Braille comes really handy. Oftener, technology fails you when you need it the most. Braille will not fail you then. It takes you double the time when you listen on your laptop and you speak it out later on. Braille would be direct. Harish. -Original Message- From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of Ajay Minocha Sent: 02 April 2013 00:19 To: accessindia Subject: [AI] Some doubts regarding braille Hello friends, I think, most of you know about me. Well for those who don't know, I am currently pursuing my final year of graduation from commerce streme. I started using screan readers and other assistive devices in april 2010. I had enough vision at that time to support me in my studies as well as mobility. Since december 2011, due to a sudden diminish in my eyesight, I had to switch to scanning and OCR for my studies and white cane for my mobility needs. Since then, I am dependent on my laptop for note taking and other tasks. I appeared for cat 2012 and got shortlisted for the 2nd round of addmission process of Some IIMs. It was obvious that I never thought of learning braille due to that sudden changing senario of my life. Now when the things are quite setteled down and I find myself comfortable with allmost all the things which I use, I want to ask all the professionals on this list that should I learn braille? I know it may prove really helpful in my day to day tasks but apart from that what benifits of braille do you people see in today's corporate world? If got selected then, I will be having appropsimattely 1 month with me. So can I learn reading and writing english language using braille in this time span? I request all those people who are working specially in corporate world to give me proper guidance. regards -- Ajay Minocha Mob : +91-7827188455 E mail : ajayminoc...@gmail.com ajayminocha2...@rediffmail.com Skype: ajayminocha2 Register at the dedicated AccessIndia list for discussing accessibility of mobile phones / Tabs on: http://mail.accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/mobile.accessindia_accessindia.org.in Search for old postings at: http://www.mail-archive.com/accessindia@accessindia.org.in/ To unsubscribe send a message to accessindia-requ...@accessindia.org.in with the subject unsubscribe. To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, please visit the list home page at http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in Register at the dedicated AccessIndia list for discussing accessibility of mobile phones / Tabs on: http://mail.accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/mobile.accessindia_accessindia.org.in Search for old postings at: http://www.mail-archive.com/accessindia@accessindia.org.in/ To unsubscribe send a message to accessindia-requ...@accessindia.org.in with the subject unsubscribe. To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, please visit the list home page at http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in
Re: [AI] Some doubts regarding braille
Dear Ajay, You can easily learn braille in a month. You can of course keep practicing later on and improve your reading and writing speeds. Learning writing is easier than reading but you can certainly do it in the specified time period and as Harish said it would be quite handy in many situations. Best regards, Sandeep At 10:11 AM 4/2/2013, you wrote: Dear Ajay In a corporate scenario, you will have to make many presentation and provide information or take notes. Taking notes can be done by alternative modes like taking it on laptops, recorders etc. you may have to go to your seniors and taking laptop all the time may not be feasible. It is in these moments where Braille comes really handy. Oftener, technology fails you when you need it the most. Braille will not fail you then. It takes you double the time when you listen on your laptop and you speak it out later on. Braille would be direct. Harish. -Original Message- From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of Ajay Minocha Sent: 02 April 2013 00:19 To: accessindia Subject: [AI] Some doubts regarding braille Hello friends, I think, most of you know about me. Well for those who don't know, I am currently pursuing my final year of graduation from commerce streme. I started using screan readers and other assistive devices in april 2010. I had enough vision at that time to support me in my studies as well as mobility. Since december 2011, due to a sudden diminish in my eyesight, I had to switch to scanning and OCR for my studies and white cane for my mobility needs. Since then, I am dependent on my laptop for note taking and other tasks. I appeared for cat 2012 and got shortlisted for the 2nd round of addmission process of Some IIMs. It was obvious that I never thought of learning braille due to that sudden changing senario of my life. Now when the things are quite setteled down and I find myself comfortable with allmost all the things which I use, I want to ask all the professionals on this list that should I learn braille? I know it may prove really helpful in my day to day tasks but apart from that what benifits of braille do you people see in today's corporate world? If got selected then, I will be having appropsimattely 1 month with me. So can I learn reading and writing english language using braille in this time span? I request all those people who are working specially in corporate world to give me proper guidance. regards -- Ajay Minocha Mob : +91-7827188455 E mail : ajayminoc...@gmail.com ajayminocha2...@rediffmail.com Skype: ajayminocha2 Register at the dedicated AccessIndia list for discussing accessibility of mobile phones / Tabs on: http://mail.accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/mobile.accessindia_accessindia.org.in Search for old postings at: http://www.mail-archive.com/accessindia@accessindia.org.in/ To unsubscribe send a message to accessindia-requ...@accessindia.org.in with the subject unsubscribe. To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, please visit the list home page at http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in Register at the dedicated AccessIndia list for discussing accessibility of mobile phones / Tabs on: http://mail.accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/mobile.accessindia_accessindia.org.in Search for old postings at: http://www.mail-archive.com/accessindia@accessindia.org.in/ To unsubscribe send a message to accessindia-requ...@accessindia.org.in with the subject unsubscribe. To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, please visit the list home page at http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in Register at the dedicated AccessIndia list for discussing accessibility of mobile phones / Tabs on: http://mail.accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/mobile.accessindia_accessindia.org.in Search for old postings at: http://www.mail-archive.com/accessindia@accessindia.org.in/ To unsubscribe send a message to accessindia-requ...@accessindia.org.in with the subject unsubscribe. To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, please visit the list home page at http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in
