Re: [Acme] FW: [ietf-wg-acme/acme] Add a meta flag to indicate when GET requests for certificates are allowed (#462)

2018-10-09 Thread Richard Barnes
You seem to be trying to approach this point-by-point. What Adam and I have been saying is that randomizing everything, you don't have to do the analysis case by case. That's why that's the desired recommendation -- it's conservative. If you want to do the analysis, go ahead. The URL plan is

Re: [Acme] FW: [ietf-wg-acme/acme] Add a meta flag to indicate when GET requests for certificates are allowed (#462)

2018-10-09 Thread Richard Barnes
So here's the compromise I would propose: 1. Remove GET for certificates. I think this is a mistake, but I can grant that it's clunky as-is, and it will be straightforward to re-add it later if it's needed. 2. Keep the security considerations about capability URLs and the randomized examples.

Re: [Acme] FW: [ietf-wg-acme/acme] Add a meta flag to indicate when GET requests for certificates are allowed (#462)

2018-10-09 Thread Daniel McCarney
I am also opposed to this change. I think it is a clunky solution and there hasn't been convincing justification of why the base ACME draft needs to carry this complexity instead of having STAR add the extensions it requires. On Mon, Oct 8, 2018 at 3:27 PM Jacob Hoffman-Andrews wrote: > >

Re: [Acme] Backing-out capability URLs from the spec (added in #445)

2018-10-09 Thread Daniel McCarney
I'm strongly in favour of Jacob's suggestions in 459. On Fri, Oct 5, 2018 at 7:17 PM Jacob Hoffman-Andrews wrote: > Here's my proposal that removes the STAR special-casing in ACME, making > certificate URLs behave the same way as all other fetchable resources: >

Re: [Acme] Allow get for certificates?

2018-10-09 Thread Daniel McCarney
> The narrow fix -- Remove "orders." No one implements it, and this is the > least disruptive option to a mature spec. I support this narrow fix. On Mon, Oct 8, 2018 at 3:25 PM Jacob Hoffman-Andrews wrote: > The POST-as-GET mess started because Adam Roach pointed out that the > "orders" URL

Re: [Acme] FW: [ietf-wg-acme/acme] Add a meta flag to indicate when GET requests for certificates are allowed (#462)

2018-10-09 Thread Jacob Hoffman-Andrews
On 10/09/2018 03:28 PM, Diego R. Lopez wrote: If I understood this compromise proposal, that implies to put STAR out of play… Or am I missing something? Not at all, it just means that STAR needs to define a new field on the Order resource that specifies a polling URL for frequently-updating

Re: [Acme] FW: [ietf-wg-acme/acme] Add a meta flag to indicate when GET requests for certificates are allowed (#462)

2018-10-09 Thread Diego R. Lopez
If I understood this compromise proposal, that implies to put STAR out of play… Or am I missing something? -- "Esta vez no fallaremos, Doctor Infierno" Dr Diego R. Lopez Telefonica I+D https://www.linkedin.com/in/dr2lopez/ e-mail:

Re: [Acme] FW: [ietf-wg-acme/acme] Add a meta flag to indicate when GET requests for certificates are allowed (#462)

2018-10-09 Thread Jacob Hoffman-Andrews
On 10/09/2018 07:45 AM, Richard Barnes wrote: 1. Remove GET for certificates.  I think this is a mistake, but I can grant that it's clunky as-is, and it will be straightforward to re-add it later if it's needed. Great. 2. Keep the security considerations about capability URLs and the

Re: [Acme] FW: [ietf-wg-acme/acme] Add a meta flag to indicate when GET requests for certificates are allowed (#462)

2018-10-09 Thread Richard Barnes
Thanks for the PR. My only issue is with the changes in there that slim down the example. ISTM that we should be encouraging unguessable URLs as widely as possible; guessable URLs should be a justified exception (as you noted in your description of what LE does). If you could slim this down to