Re: Changes to Activity Configuration UI

2012-04-30 Thread Thomas Pfeiffer
On 30.04.2012 11:35, Marco Martin wrote: On Sunday 29 April 2012, Thomas Pfeiffer wrote: 3. Remove the label Lock as private from the switch. Instead, put icons similar to http://dribbble.com/shots/415967-Privacy-Settings on the corresponding sides of the switch 4. Move the private switch next

Re: Changes to Activity Configuration UI

2012-04-30 Thread Thomas Pfeiffer
Sorry, I forgot something: Please also change the label of the Close button to Cancel. A Close button implies that pressing the button has no other effect than closing the dialog (whoch is the case in instant apply dialogs). However, in the Task Dialog case, any changes made will be lost, so

Re: Changes to Activity Configuration UI

2012-04-30 Thread Marco Martin
On Monday 30 April 2012, Thomas Pfeiffer wrote: First of all: I think it looks a lot nicer now, much cleaner and less verbose. :) I agree that the row with the name and lock widgets does not look well balanced right now. I wonder if it would look less - or even more - unbalanced if you

Re: Changes to Activity Configuration UI

2012-04-30 Thread Thomas Pfeiffer
On 30.04.2012 14:26, Marco Martin wrote: probably worse... maybe restore the Activity name: label with some tweaks to make it as wide as the switch, so would center the text field again Would Name also work, perhaps? Or is it too short to counterbalance the switch? Aaron and Fania expressed a

Re: Changes to Activity Configuration UI

2012-04-30 Thread Marco Martin
On Monday 30 April 2012, Thomas Pfeiffer wrote: On 30.04.2012 14:26, Marco Martin wrote: probably worse... maybe restore the Activity name: label with some tweaks to make it as wide as the switch, so would center the text field again Would Name also work, perhaps? Or is it too short to

Changes to Activity Configuration UI

2012-04-29 Thread Thomas Pfeiffer
Hi all, after the long and heated debate about the changes to the Activity Configuration UI suggested by Aaron seems to have settled, it seems unclear what we actually want to change. In order to allow actual changes to happen, I have extracted from the discussion the things I think we agreed

Re: activity configuration UI

2012-03-30 Thread Marco Martin
On Friday 30 March 2012, Fania Bremmer wrote: lock as private sounds awkward. How about a slider with (or as) an unlock/lock icon and private to the the appropriate side of the slider, similar to layers in Inkscape or objects in Scribus. (Especially on small screens, the Inkscape method is

Re: activity configuration UI

2012-03-30 Thread Thomas Pfeiffer
On 30.03.2012 00:32, Aaron J. Seigo wrote: my concern is that this takes too much time to set up an activity and that it also would deviate from the configure activity UI. We actually wanted to come up with a more comprehensive concept before presenting it to the list, but in order to make

Re: activity configuration UI

2012-03-30 Thread Marco Martin
On Friday 30 March 2012, Aaron J. Seigo wrote: On Friday, March 30, 2012 10:17:15 Marco Martin wrote: On Friday 30 March 2012, Aaron J. Seigo wrote: the buttons in the title do work, indeed... i wonder if they make more sense on the same side of the dialog together, but that's something i

Re: activity configuration UI

2012-03-30 Thread Thomas Pfeiffer
On 30.03.2012 10:53, Marco Martin wrote: however, if we do want to keep the close button and if we put buttons int he title bar, it could be drawn exactly as we do the close button on plasmoids. I think we should just make a decision now. Personally, I tend towards Either both buttons or none

Re: activity configuration UI

2012-03-30 Thread Marco Martin
On Friday 30 March 2012, Thomas Pfeiffer wrote: On 30.03.2012 10:53, Marco Martin wrote: however, if we do want to keep the close button and if we put buttons int he title bar, it could be drawn exactly as we do the close button on plasmoids. I think we should just make a decision now.

Re: activity configuration UI

2012-03-29 Thread Aaron J. Seigo
On Wednesday, March 28, 2012 17:46:52 Fania Bremmer wrote: implementation-wise. Now there comes in a new requirement, the smaller screensize, and we need to find another good solution. I agree that for new while the lack of elegance is more obvious at lower screen sizes, the lack of elegance

Re: activity configuration UI

2012-03-29 Thread Aaron J. Seigo
On Wednesday, March 28, 2012 19:56:46 Thomas Pfeiffer wrote: Generally when designers and developers meet, the developer is in the stronger position. this statement speaks to a large challenge we apparently face: seeing other members in the team as people to be opposed rather than a team

Re: activity configuration UI

2012-03-29 Thread Aaron J. Seigo
On Wednesday, March 28, 2012 17:31:00 Sebastian Kügler wrote: Does this make sense? +1 from me. -- Aaron J. Seigo signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. ___ Active mailing list Active@kde.org

Re: activity configuration UI

2012-03-29 Thread Marco Martin
On Wednesday 28 March 2012, Sebastian Kügler wrote: The general rule should be to not use Apply buttons, and for dialogs, dismiss them when clicked outside. (This is btw also how the Harmattan components work, and I think it leads to smooth workflows.) Note that dismissing the dialog means

Re: activity configuration UI

2012-03-29 Thread Marco Martin
On Thursday 29 March 2012, Aaron J. Seigo wrote: On Wednesday, March 28, 2012 19:56:46 Thomas Pfeiffer wrote: Generally when designers and developers meet, the developer is in the stronger position. this statement speaks to a large challenge we apparently face: seeing other members in the

Re: activity configuration UI

2012-03-29 Thread Thomas Pfeiffer
On Thursday 29 March 2012 17:34:02 Marco Martin wrote: On Wednesday 28 March 2012, Marco Martin wrote: i still think the best way to still have buttons, have them always visible and taking less space is having them in the titlebar, like the ipad and the n9 do:

Re: activity configuration UI

2012-03-28 Thread Thomas Pfeiffer
On 28.03.2012 14:11, Fania Bremmer wrote: * change title to Activity Settings (settings being less tech than configuration and shorter, at least in english; use title capitalization) +1. I would even prefer a title that integrates a verb, like edit activity. But that's a wording question. I

Re: activity configuration UI

2012-03-28 Thread Fania Bremmer
* change Lock as private to just Private. the phrase Lock as private is a bit awkward (it is not a natural phrasing one would use in conversation) and specifying Lock speaks to the mechanism rather than the intention of the user. the intention is this is private; the mechanism we use is

Re: activity configuration UI

2012-03-28 Thread Thomas Pfeiffer
On 28.03.2012 14:37, Fania Bremmer wrote: I don't really like Lock as private, but if that's the one that fared best with the users, I think we should still keep it. Don't know what it looks like if it's placed next to the name, though. Might make the row a bit too long. Keep in mind that we

Re: activity configuration UI

2012-03-28 Thread Lamarque V. Souza
Em Wednesday 28 March 2012, Marco Martin escreveu: On Wednesday 28 March 2012, Thomas Pfeiffer wrote: Ah, I see. So what is the internal, technical workflow for switching an activity to private (everything that happens from the point where the user taps Save in the Activity configuration

Re: activity configuration UI

2012-03-28 Thread Fania Bremmer
Am 28.03.2012 17:27, schrieb Ivan Čukić: instant apply is really not a possibility here for technical reasons. we can get rid of the Close button though by making an outside tap close and cancel the dialog. Okay okay, so no instant apply. But can we still open the password setting dialog

Re: activity configuration UI

2012-03-28 Thread Ivan Čukić
Sorry, but that comment just made me laugh: we would write why it can not be like that; that shouldnt be the focus in a multi-disciplinary team, that designers propose something and the techies just say no, not working. Honestly, I don't see anything amusing there. If a designer asks for

Re: activity configuration UI

2012-03-28 Thread Ivan Čukić
we would write why it can not be like that. the key word being 'why' - reason for not implementing something, since we are devels, the reason usually is technical. I know, I need to be less zen and more verbose sometimes :) Whenever UX people write something, the developers always say that