PERSONAL ATTACK! HELP! :):):) 11.06.2015, 14:31, "Jan Ingvoldstad" frett...@gmail.com:On Thu, Jun 11, 2015 at 11:36 AM, Vladimir Andreev vladi...@quick-soft.net wrote: As mentioned many times during debates AP WG has no relations to financial questions. In such case WHY does current policy appeal
Hi,
Gert is one of the few people I know that I trust completely regarding
integrity. He proved me right again by letting Sander conclude this
proposal so that neutrality is given.
Indeed. I am staying out of this discussion and I will limit myself to judging
on consensus or not. I admit
Hi Sasha,
Another thing that may help is to move away from mailing lists as
the sole tool - email is something that only old farts like
myself are really comfortable with, not to mention very open to
abuse as we've seen. There are more modern collaboration tools
available, something like
On Thu, Jun 11, 2015 at 11:36 AM, Vladimir Andreev vladi...@quick-soft.net
wrote:
As mentioned many times during debates AP WG has no relations to financial
questions.
In such case WHY does current policy appeal to finances?
Your conflating two different areas into one.
You're also
Hi
On Thu, Jun 11, 2015 at 1:48 PM, Sebastian Wiesinger sebast...@karotte.org
wrote:
* Lu Heng h...@anytimechinese.com [2015-06-11 13:03]:
Hi
I agree with you no more personal attack should happening any more.
*And to be very clear, I am not attacking Gert personally.*
Yes you do.
Hi Lu, and all others,
you complain about personal attacks against you over the list on one hand and
in the same breath you attack Gert personally ... Hope you're feeling better
now, because I can't see any other possible result your post could have as
purpose.
All on the list, please stop
Good points, agreed.
It’s normal for some community members feel aggrieved by suspected serious foul
play, be it legit or not. Inevitable really, considering what has become the
(rather ugly) IPv4 gold rush.
However to echo Gert, APWG is not the place for raising claims. Better take
these
Hi Gert, and Chair, everyone here:
This Email is my thought on what happened in past years in the APWG.
First of all, I support turn on moderation on this list.
secondly, I do feel there are two different kind of treatment here from one
of the Chair.
While my company information and false
* Lu Heng h...@anytimechinese.com [2015-06-11 13:03]:
Hi
I agree with you no more personal attack should happening any more.
*And to be very clear, I am not attacking Gert personally.*
Yes you do. You're questioning his integrity.
*I am complaint about one of working group chair does not
Hi,
As a casual reader of this list, I would say that
a) there is nothing to be gained from mudslinging about past behaviours wrt
IPv4 address acquisition/trading (if illegal things have happened, that’s for
the authorities to investigate, and not for this list...)
b) as a community we should
* David Huberman david.huber...@microsoft.com [2015-06-11 16:03]:
Hello,
I think it is time to consider the next step for dealing with the
problem of a few individuals opening up dozens of LIRs for the
exclusive purpose of selling the /22s. Such activity is outright
fraud, and something the
Sorry previous mail Garry not aimed at you
My point is if consultation is closed
these emails are a waste of everyones time... including this one sorry
On 11 Jun 2015 15:02, Tom Smyth tom.sm...@wirelessconnect.eu wrote:
I suggest add a filter in your mail if subject
Re: [address-policy-wg]
On Thu, Jun 11, 2015 at 07:09:24PM +0200, Roger Jrgensen wrote:
I'm okay with letting RIPE NCC use some judgment. I am unsure if
they are (RIPE NCC). And sooner or later someone will complain.
How, and who should deal with that? I think the current complain
system can handle it with some minor
I agree with Yuri and want to warn you next.
Why do we discuss about profit? We can also say that ISPs or Hosting Providers
get IPs, then start their servers, networks and make profit. It's too bad.
Let's close this hole.
This proposal won't solve IPv4 exhaustion problem, due to the part of
On Thu, Jun 11, 2015 at 7:55 PM, Staff off...@ip4market.ru wrote:
Let's say give new LIR /21 (2048IP). It will be more then enough for
several years. And I will tell why. Becouse it will drop the market
price low and stop some speculations. And a lot of people will start
selling resources
On 08.06.2015 15:43, Marco Schmidt wrote:
We encourage you to read the draft document text and send any comments
to address-policy-wg@ripe.net before 7 July 2015.
support.
On 11 Jun 2015, at 12:53, Lu Heng h...@anytimechinese.com wrote:
No, I am not questioning his integrity,
So please stop banging on about this. [BTW you're very wrong because you *are*
questioning someone's integrity, but let's not get into that any further.]
This thread serves no useful
A Chair is a position, the human sit on it should keep this integrity and
hide his personal preference while making calls.
Just like if you become a Judge, you are expected to judge things based on
fact and reality, not on accusations without ground and personal emotions,
you can not say I am
Hi,
On Thu, Jun 11, 2015 at 12:52:49PM +0200, Opteamax GmbH wrote:
Gert: although I am not always agreeing with what you think and say, I think
you and Sander are doing a good job!
I certainly hope to spur a good discussion by having people *not* agree
with me :-) - but thanks for the
Enough,
i have no more choice than to unsubscribe, thanks to all participants, goodbye,
the other option would be to generate a spam filter.
Raymond unsubscribing?
I would welcome some intervention from the RIPE chair now , if only to
reinforce how inadequately some of us are behaving.
On Thu, Jun 11, 2015 at 02:15:51PM +0200, Lu Heng wrote:
Same here, I feel some of the Chair's judgement was not fair, and I am
making complaint about it, I feel in this free speech world, I have all my
rights to do so.
According to s4 of ripe-642 this is the correct procedure to
appeal a
I will readily admit that I can not come up with a text which prevents
abuse _and_ allows for valid operational needs, though.
Indeed. Mergers acquisitions are real-world business events that APWG
cannot affect. I see a big nut to crack on how to address abuse via
illegitimate MA, including
Hi Garry,
all your points are totally right. So ... when will we start writing
that much stricter proposal ... I'd be happy to assist!
But: announcement-validation is not a valid mechanism ... for that you'd
need only one real internet connected router and a VM running e.g. bird,
which announces
Hi Gert and rest of the list:
I will stop posting and I believe all my points has been made. I will
expect answer from WGCC and Chair of Ripe for the outcome of this appeal.
Let's go back to the policy.
(And apologised to anyone feel disturbed, because it was really not first
time me and my
Hi,
On Thu, Jun 11, 2015 at 12:29:15PM +, David Freedman wrote:
i have no more choice than to unsubscribe, thanks to all participants,
goodbye, the other option would be to generate a spam filter.
Raymond unsubscribing?
Raymond, please do not!
I would welcome some intervention from
Hi Sascha:
Thanks for the link.
Yes, please consider appeal has been made, and I will expect responds from
WGCC and Chair of Ripe.
Thanks.
On Thu, Jun 11, 2015 at 2:31 PM, Sascha Luck [ml] a...@c4inet.net wrote:
On Thu, Jun 11, 2015 at 02:15:51PM +0200, Lu Heng wrote:
Same here, I feel
Hi
On Thu, Jun 11, 2015 at 2:11 PM, Jim Reid j...@rfc1035.com wrote:
On 11 Jun 2015, at 12:53, Lu Heng h...@anytimechinese.com wrote:
No, I am not questioning his integrity,
So please stop banging on about this. [BTW you're very wrong because you
*are* questioning someone's integrity, but
Hello,
I think it is time to consider the next step for dealing with the problem of a
few individuals opening up dozens of LIRs for the exclusive purpose of selling
the /22s. Such activity is outright fraud, and something the NCC should tackle
with the assistance of the APWG.
Obvious point 1:
On Thu, Jun 11, 2015 at 02:00:00PM +0200, Sander Steffann wrote:
See
https://www.ripe.net/participate/ripe/wg/cc/summaries/ripe-70-working-group-chair-meeting-summary
item V :)
Way ahead of me, I see. Nice one, thanks to the Chairs.
rgds,
Sascha Luck
Hello List,
Here is my trial balloon attempting to offer a policy which prevents gaming.
The concept is that it is simpler to attack the incentive than wade into the
quagmire of defining legitimate business operations.
I propose that new RIPE LIRs get their /22, but it only becomes fully vested
Hi all,
fixed that I am against abuses. I think we have to keep in mind that
RIPE task is resource distribution not holding them in a drawer.
A patent is useful when registered, detailed described and made public
so that anyone can understand the benefit and re-do the same following
patent
Hi Jan,
thanks for you reply
Il 11/06/2015 23.56, Jan Ingvoldstad ha scritto:
On Thu, Jun 11, 2015 at 11:48 PM, Riccardo Gori rg...@wirem.net
mailto:rg...@wirem.net wrote:
Hi all,
fixed that I am against abuses. I think we have to keep in mind
that RIPE task is resource
Hi,
I oppose this proposal as it cannot solve the problem
Only people who would object are those who wana exploit the system!
If i did this in 1995 i would be loaded!
I still have my 'rose tinted glasses on'
Feeling old!
RIPE.. this needs to stop!
Danial Subhani
Pro-Net Internet Services Ltd
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I cannot support this proposal.( 2015-01)
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I cannot support this proposal.( 2015-01)
I would 2nd that! When I have nothing better to do, I sit here reading this
book :-)
Regards to you all :-)
Danial Subhani
PRO-NET INTERNET SERVICES LTD
Tel: 0870 835 6911 Fax: 0870 835 6912
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Hi,
On Thu, Jun 11, 2015 at 11:43:37AM +0800, Callum Stuart wrote:
One people named WW circulated the following info privately to a large group
of people in ripe region.
If this was circulated *privately*, leaking it to the public is a gross
violation of nettiquette.
[..]
Elvis, who
Hi,
On Thu, Jun 11, 2015 at 11:24:27AM +0300, Elvis Daniel Velea wrote:
PS: Gert, I know I promised yesterday I will no longer reply back to
attacks, but I had to reply to this one and ask Ciprian (one more time)
to stop. Can you also do something about it?
As a matter of last resort, we
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