Re: The Case for a New Site for Perl Beginners

2007-05-18 Thread Shlomi Fish
Hi. On Thursday 31 August 2006, Jonathan Scott Duff wrote: On Thu, Aug 31, 2006 at 05:34:32PM +0300, Shlomi Fish wrote: On Wednesday 30 August 2006 23:03, brian d foy wrote: I in no way intended it to be funny or light. I fyou have a change, send it in. Complaining about not having the

Re: The Case for a New Site for Perl Beginners

2006-09-01 Thread Jonathan Scott Duff
On Thu, Aug 31, 2006 at 05:34:32PM +0300, Shlomi Fish wrote: On Wednesday 30 August 2006 23:03, brian d foy wrote: I in no way intended it to be funny or light. I fyou have a change, send it in. Complaining about not having the source is no an excuse for not sending changes. Well, sure.

Re: The Case for a New Site for Perl Beginners

2006-08-31 Thread Shlomi Fish
On Wednesday 30 August 2006 23:03, brian d foy wrote: In article [EMAIL PROTECTED], Aleksandar Petrovic [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wed, 30 Aug 2006 17:22:33 +0200, brian d foy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In article [EMAIL PROTECTED], Gabor Szabo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Can

Re: The Case for a New Site for Perl Beginners

2006-08-30 Thread Shlomi Fish
On Wednesday 30 August 2006 00:46, Danny Brian wrote: Guys, this discussion takes place annually. Don't think it's isolated. Shlomi does the song and dance on a regular basis. I suggest that learn.perl.org just add a link to Shlomi's site and spare us all a repeat in 2007. That will not be

Re: The Case for a New Site for Perl Beginners

2006-08-30 Thread Shlomi Fish
On Wednesday 30 August 2006 01:32, Aleksandar Petrovic wrote: On Tue, 29 Aug 2006 23:27:00 +0200, Wiggins d'Anconia [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It really does seem like he just wants the learn.perl.org domain to point to the site he created. Of course this is the web, and if the content is

Re: The Case for a New Site for Perl Beginners

2006-08-30 Thread Steffen Mueller
Rob Bryant schrieb: And I really don't see any reason you have to be such an a**hole. Don't repeat the mistakes you are criticizing. Someone offers help and suggestions, and you call that person a liar. Nice. Beautiful. Reaffirms my cynical view of humanity completely. Give someone an

Re: The Case for a New Site for Perl Beginners

2006-08-30 Thread Shlomi Fish
On Wednesday 30 August 2006 11:28, Steffen Mueller wrote: Rob Bryant schrieb: And I really don't see any reason you have to be such an a**hole. Don't repeat the mistakes you are criticizing. Someone offers help and suggestions, and you call that person a liar. Nice. Beautiful. Reaffirms

Re: The Case for a New Site for Perl Beginners

2006-08-30 Thread Nicholas Clark
On Tue, Aug 29, 2006 at 03:30:43PM -0500, brian d foy wrote: If you want to make a better site, go do it. Nobody is stopping you. Once it exists, *then* it's valid to request that it replaces learn.perl.org Not before. We've been round in circles on this before. The way to escape and make

Re: The Case for a New Site for Perl Beginners

2006-08-30 Thread Gabor Szabo
Can someone explain me why is the source code of learn.perl.org (and the other *.perl.org site) not publicly accessible? Is there some security or licensing reason or technical? If it is available, then can you please point us to the repository? I hope that if it was available and reasonable

Re: The Case for a New Site for Perl Beginners

2006-08-30 Thread brian d foy
In article [EMAIL PROTECTED], Gabor Szabo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Can someone explain me why is the source code of learn.perl.org (and the other *.perl.org site) not publicly accessible? Sure it's acessible. That's how you get to see it. When you view the site. you're downloading the source.

Re: The Case for a New Site for Perl Beginners

2006-08-30 Thread Aleksandar Petrovic
On Wed, 30 Aug 2006 17:22:33 +0200, brian d foy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In article [EMAIL PROTECTED], Gabor Szabo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Can someone explain me why is the source code of learn.perl.org (and the other *.perl.org site) not publicly accessible? Sure it's acessible. That's

Re: The Case for a New Site for Perl Beginners

2006-08-30 Thread brian d foy
In article [EMAIL PROTECTED], Aleksandar Petrovic [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wed, 30 Aug 2006 17:22:33 +0200, brian d foy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In article [EMAIL PROTECTED], Gabor Szabo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Can someone explain me why is the source code of learn.perl.org

Re: The Case for a New Site for Perl Beginners

2006-08-29 Thread brian d foy
In article [EMAIL PROTECTED], Shlomi Fish [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Now as I've mentioned before there are several huge problems with learn.perl.org: Your definition of huge is probably colored by I didn't invent it. 1. It hasn't been maintained in several years now. It's been updated for

Re: The Case for a New Site for Perl Beginners

2006-08-29 Thread Shlomi Fish
On Tuesday 29 August 2006 18:57, brian d foy wrote: In article [EMAIL PROTECTED], Shlomi Fish [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Now as I've mentioned before there are several huge problems with learn.perl.org: Your definition of huge is probably colored by I didn't invent it. No, it's not.

Re: The Case for a New Site for Perl Beginners

2006-08-29 Thread brian d foy
In article [EMAIL PROTECTED], Shlomi Fish [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I don't see any reason it needs to be open to all subscribers, either, especially if you are going to lie like you do in this post. So if you want to have a good rule of thumb for tactfullness, it is to never accuse a

Re: The Case for a New Site for Perl Beginners

2006-08-29 Thread Rob Bryant
brian d foy said the following on 8/29/2006 8:57 AM: Completely unresponsive or just unresponsive to you? I don't see any reason it needs to be open to all subscribers, either, especially if you are going to lie like you do in this post And I really don't see any reason you have to be such an

Re: The Case for a New Site for Perl Beginners

2006-08-29 Thread Tim McIntyre
On Aug 29, 2006, at 9:46 AM, Rob Bryant wrote:brian d foy said the following on 8/29/2006 8:57 AM: Completely unresponsive or just unresponsive to you? I don't see anyreason it needs to be open to all subscribers, either, especially ifyou are going to lie like you do in this post And I really

Re: The Case for a New Site for Perl Beginners

2006-08-29 Thread Wiggins d'Anconia
Tim McIntyre wrote: On Aug 29, 2006, at 9:46 AM, Rob Bryant wrote: brian d foy said the following on 8/29/2006 8:57 AM: Completely unresponsive or just unresponsive to you? I don't see any reason it needs to be open to all subscribers, either, especially if you are going to lie like you

Re: The Case for a New Site for Perl Beginners

2006-08-29 Thread Danny Brian
Guys, this discussion takes place annually. Don't think it's isolated. Shlomi does the song and dance on a regular basis. I suggest that learn.perl.org just add a link to Shlomi's site and spare us all a repeat in 2007. - Danny

Re: The Case for a New Site for Perl Beginners

2006-08-29 Thread Tim McIntyre
On Aug 29, 2006, at 2:27 PM, Wiggins d'Anconia wrote:I suspect the problem is brian's memory is pretty good so he remembers the last time we had this very same discussion with Shlomi. Just listen for a while and I suspect the others on the list that were there then will chime in with the same

Re: The Case for a New Site for Perl Beginners

2006-08-29 Thread Aleksandar Petrovic
On Tue, 29 Aug 2006 23:27:00 +0200, Wiggins d'Anconia [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It really does seem like he just wants the learn.perl.org domain to point to the site he created. Of course this is the web, and if the content is that good it really doesn't matter what domain you have. Check

The Case for a New Site for Perl Beginners

2006-08-28 Thread Shlomi Fish
Hi all! When one visits http://www.perl.org/ one sees the following note on the left: New to Perl? a href=http://learn.perl.org/;See our Resources for Perl Beginners/a Now as I've mentioned before there are several huge problems with learn.perl.org: 1. It hasn't been maintained in several