Re: [AFMUG] Aviat vs Bridgewave 11GHz

2020-06-09 Thread SmarterBroadband
Subject: [AFMUG] Aviat vs Bridgewave 11GHz Does anyone have any experience with the two of these (Aviat WTM4200 vs Navigator Dual)? I'm having a hard time deciding. -Jason -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com

Re: [AFMUG] Aviat vs Bridgewave 11GHz

2020-06-04 Thread Mike Hammett
ot; Sent: Thursday, June 4, 2020 12:54:13 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Aviat vs Bridgewave 11GHz But Part 101 is probably the least dumb set of rules that WISPs have to deal with. It’s about the only time dealing with government regulations where I feel like I have a seat at the adult table. We sho

Re: [AFMUG] Aviat vs Bridgewave 11GHz

2020-06-04 Thread Ken Hohhof
Of Mike Hammett Sent: Thursday, June 4, 2020 12:39 PM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Aviat vs Bridgewave 11GHz That's dumb. - Mike Hammett <http://www.ics-il.com/> Intelligent Computing Solutions <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> <https://

Re: [AFMUG] Aviat vs Bridgewave 11GHz

2020-06-04 Thread Mathew Howard
When operating that way, do both channels need to be the same size, or can you mix a 40mhz and an 80mhz, for example? I got the impression with the Bridgewaves that would both need to be the same size (i.e 80mhz+80mhz). On Thu, Jun 4, 2020 at 12:43 PM wrote: > Matthew - yes we do. > > Thanks, >

Re: [AFMUG] Aviat vs Bridgewave 11GHz

2020-06-04 Thread Mathew Howard
> <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp> > > > <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg> > -- > *From: *"Tim Hardy" > *To: *"AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" > *Sent: *Thursday, June 4, 2020 12:19:32 PM > *Subject: *

Re: [AFMUG] Aviat vs Bridgewave 11GHz

2020-06-04 Thread Joseph.Schraml
Matthew - yes we do. Thanks, Joe Schraml VP Sales Operations & Marketing SIAE Microelettronica, Inc. +1 (408) 832-4884 joseph.schr...@siaemic.com www.siaemic.com >>> Mathew Howard 6/4/2020 8:20 AM >>> Does Siae have the capability of running two channels per core, like

Re: [AFMUG] Aviat vs Bridgewave 11GHz

2020-06-04 Thread Mike Hammett
That's dumb. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP - Original Message - From: "Tim Hardy" To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" Sent: Thursday, June 4, 2020 12:19:32 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG]

Re: [AFMUG] Aviat vs Bridgewave 11GHz

2020-06-04 Thread Tim Hardy
And, this is exactly what I have been discussing in this thread. “In instances where a customer can get the FCC to license wider than 80 MHz channels (11 GHz & 18 GHz), we can unlock the modems to provide up to 112 MHz bandwidth.” Let’s be clear on this. The only way to “get the FCC to

Re: [AFMUG] Aviat vs Bridgewave 11GHz

2020-06-04 Thread Joseph.Schraml
Our ALFOPlus2 radio is true dual-carrier radio capable of up to 2x 112 MHz channels. In instances where a customer can get the FCC to license wider than 80 MHz channels (11 GHz & 18 GHz), we can unlock the modems to provide up to 112 MHz bandwidth. With 4096QAM, this yields just over 2 Gbps

Re: [AFMUG] Aviat vs Bridgewave 11GHz

2020-06-04 Thread Mathew Howard
I don't know what specific bonding features Aviat has, but you can technically do that with any radios... it's just a question of where and how you have to do the bonding. You are also able to do two radios on the same dish with the appropriate couplers, etc. with most 11ghz radios. On Thu, Jun

Re: [AFMUG] Aviat vs Bridgewave 11GHz

2020-06-04 Thread Kurt Fankhauser
If you need more throughput in 11ghz can't you license two separate links for 11ghz and install two separate AVIAT radios and then the radios can bond both links together? I thought that was a feature that AVIAT had. On Thu, Jun 4, 2020 at 11:21 AM Mathew Howard wrote: > Does Siae have the

Re: [AFMUG] Aviat vs Bridgewave 11GHz

2020-06-04 Thread Mathew Howard
Does Siae have the capability of running two channels per core, like was discussed earlier on the Bridgewave and Aviat radios? On Thu, Jun 4, 2020 at 8:49 AM Tim Hardy wrote: > Should be easy enough to check to ensure that you have two (2) dual core > radios each transmitting a discrete

Re: [AFMUG] Aviat vs Bridgewave 11GHz

2020-06-04 Thread Tim Hardy
Should be easy enough to check to ensure that you have two (2) dual core radios each transmitting a discrete frequency 60 MHz apart from one another. Anything else would lead one to believe that they actually are just using their ETSI configuration (112 MHz) within the 120 MHz block. Seems

Re: [AFMUG] Aviat vs Bridgewave 11GHz

2020-06-04 Thread Jon Langeler
I’m not sure details other than I verified multiple times 120Mhz of actual usage and the speed matched. Our frequency coordinator worked with them on the rest... Jon Langeler Michwave Technologies, Inc. > On Jun 4, 2020, at 7:59 AM, Tim Hardy wrote: > > Just confirming that this is

Re: [AFMUG] Aviat vs Bridgewave 11GHz

2020-06-04 Thread Tim Hardy
Just confirming that this is actually two (2) dual core radios - one CCDP at 80 MHz bandwidth and the other CCDP at 40 MHz bandwidth with the two transmit frequencies separated by 60 MHz - correct? This will require couplers and associated losses on both ends (approximately 7 dB). Any attempt

Re: [AFMUG] Aviat vs Bridgewave 11GHz

2020-06-03 Thread Jon Langeler
11Ghz is 80MHz per channel, plus another 40Mhz= 120Mhz (two channels per polarity). But the channels have to be stacked and available. Ignore the promos and prices. Tell him what price you need to be at and he will try to make it happen. Jon Langeler Michwave Technologies, Inc. > On Jun 3,

Re: [AFMUG] Aviat vs Bridgewave 11GHz

2020-06-03 Thread Jason McKemie
Have they come down in price recently? Last time I checked they were considerably higher than both Bridgewave and Aviat. On Wednesday, June 3, 2020, Jon Langeler wrote: > SIAE just licensed me 2Gbps links in 120Mhz x2. Price was basically all > the same > > Jon Langeler > Michwave Technologies,

Re: [AFMUG] Aviat vs Bridgewave 11GHz

2020-06-03 Thread TJ Trout
Jon, I'm pretty dumb with this stuff, is this possibly two descrete 60mhz channels per TX side? TJ On Wed, Jun 3, 2020 at 5:40 PM Jon Langeler wrote: > 11Ghz...2 channels in FCC assignment -similar- to AF11FX. > > Jon Langeler > Michwave Technologies, Inc. > > > On Jun 3, 2020, at 8:08 PM, TJ

Re: [AFMUG] Aviat vs Bridgewave 11GHz

2020-06-03 Thread Jon Langeler
11Ghz...2 channels in FCC assignment -similar- to AF11FX. Jon Langeler Michwave Technologies, Inc. > On Jun 3, 2020, at 8:08 PM, TJ Trout wrote: > >  > What band can you do 120mhz in? > >> On Wed, Jun 3, 2020 at 5:04 PM Jon Langeler >> wrote: >> SIAE just licensed me 2Gbps links in

Re: [AFMUG] Aviat vs Bridgewave 11GHz

2020-06-03 Thread TJ Trout
What band can you do 120mhz in? On Wed, Jun 3, 2020 at 5:04 PM Jon Langeler wrote: > SIAE just licensed me 2Gbps links in 120Mhz x2. Price was basically all > the same > > Jon Langeler > Michwave Technologies, Inc. > > > On Jun 3, 2020, at 6:16 PM, Jason McKemie < >

Re: [AFMUG] Aviat vs Bridgewave 11GHz

2020-06-03 Thread Jon Langeler
SIAE just licensed me 2Gbps links in 120Mhz x2. Price was basically all the same Jon Langeler Michwave Technologies, Inc. > On Jun 3, 2020, at 6:16 PM, Jason McKemie > wrote: > > Yeah, the throughput is pretty comparable between the two. > >> On Wednesday, June 3, 2020, TJ Trout wrote:

Re: [AFMUG] Aviat vs Bridgewave 11GHz

2020-06-03 Thread Jason McKemie
Yeah, the throughput is pretty comparable between the two. On Wednesday, June 3, 2020, TJ Trout wrote: > aviat can do the same with dual channels on a single radio, it's called > a2c or active two channel, we use it on the wtm4100 > > On Wed, Jun 3, 2020 at 12:38 PM Josh Baird wrote: > >> The

Re: [AFMUG] Aviat vs Bridgewave 11GHz

2020-06-03 Thread TJ Trout
aviat can do the same with dual channels on a single radio, it's called a2c or active two channel, we use it on the wtm4100 On Wed, Jun 3, 2020 at 12:38 PM Josh Baird wrote: > The WTM4200 is dual core which is why it can do 1.4Gbps. The Bridgewave > has some other magic. > > On Wed, Jun 3,

Re: [AFMUG] Aviat vs Bridgewave 11GHz

2020-06-03 Thread Josh Baird
The WTM4200 is dual core which is why it can do 1.4Gbps. The Bridgewave has some other magic. On Wed, Jun 3, 2020 at 12:41 PM Jason McKemie < j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com> wrote: > I may have gotten the Aviat model wrong, whatever their dual core version > is - 4300? I think the power on

Re: [AFMUG] Aviat vs Bridgewave 11GHz

2020-06-03 Thread Peter Kranz via AF
<http://www.unwiredltd.com/> www.UnwiredLtd.com Desk: 510-868-1614 x100 Mobile: 510-207- <mailto:pkr...@unwiredltd.com> pkr...@unwiredltd.com From: AF On Behalf Of Jason McKemie Sent: Wednesday, June 03, 2020 9:41 AM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group Subject: Re: [AFM

Re: [AFMUG] Aviat vs Bridgewave 11GHz

2020-06-03 Thread Jason McKemie
I may have gotten the Aviat model wrong, whatever their dual core version is - 4300? I think the power on the Aviat is better, probably in part due to the field replaceable diplexer in the Navigator. On Wednesday, June 3, 2020, Josh Baird wrote: > I think the Navigator DT will have a higher

Re: [AFMUG] Aviat vs Bridgewave 11GHz

2020-06-03 Thread Josh Baird
I think the Navigator DT will have a higher overall throughput (~3Gbps if you have the channels available). The WTM4200 and the Navigator ST are a better comparison - each capable of ~1.4Gbps. On Wed, Jun 3, 2020 at 11:27 AM Jason McKemie < j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com> wrote: > Does anyone

[AFMUG] Aviat vs Bridgewave 11GHz

2020-06-03 Thread Jason McKemie
Does anyone have any experience with the two of these (Aviat WTM4200 vs Navigator Dual)? I'm having a hard time deciding. -Jason -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com