Re: [AFMUG] SpaceX Says Its 60 Starlink Satellites Are All Phoning Home (and Fading Out) | Space

2019-06-01 Thread Bill Prince
Maybe at geostationary distances, but these are only a few hundred miles up. bp On 6/1/2019 8:56 AM, Matt Hoppes wrote: Don't those bands have significant attenuation issues with like... clouds? On 6/1/19 10:55 AM, Bill Prince wrote: According to Wikipedia, they will be on Ku, Ka, and V

Re: [AFMUG] SpaceX Says Its 60 Starlink Satellites Are All Phoning Home (and Fading Out) | Space

2019-06-01 Thread Bill Prince
Naturally, we're all thinking about what effect this will have in rural America, but I am also wondering if this would have some effect on China's "great firewall"? bp On 6/1/2019 1:47 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote: I

Re: [AFMUG] SpaceX Says Its 60 Starlink Satellites Are All Phoning Home (and Fading Out) | Space

2019-06-01 Thread Chuck McCown
Not too many options. It has to be either that or some moving parts. -Original Message- From: Bill Prince Sent: Saturday, June 01, 2019 9:38 AM To: af@af.afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] SpaceX Says Its 60 Starlink Satellites Are All Phoning Home (and Fading Out) | Space That is

Re: [AFMUG] SpaceX Says Its 60 Starlink Satellites Are All Phoning Home (and Fading Out) | Space

2019-06-01 Thread Matt Hoppes
Don't those bands have significant attenuation issues with like... clouds? On 6/1/19 10:55 AM, Bill Prince wrote: According to Wikipedia, they will be on Ku, Ka, and V bands. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Starlink_(satellite_constellation) bp On 6/1/2019 7:46 AM, Jaime Solorza wrote:

Re: [AFMUG] SpaceX Says Its 60 Starlink Satellites Are All Phoning Home (and Fading Out) | Space

2019-06-01 Thread Mathew Howard
Clouds are generally a lot lower than a couple hundred miles... On Sat, Jun 1, 2019, 10:58 AM Bill Prince wrote: > Maybe at geostationary distances, but these are only a few hundred miles > up. > > bp > > > On 6/1/2019 8:56 AM, Matt Hoppes wrote: > > Don't those bands have significant

Re: [AFMUG] SpaceX Says Its 60 Starlink Satellites Are All Phoning Home (and Fading Out) | Space

2019-06-01 Thread Bill Prince
Sure. But after the clouds, geostationary still needs to go another 23,000 miles. LEO only has to go a few hundred. bp On 6/1/2019 10:47 AM, Mathew Howard wrote: Clouds are generally a lot lower than a couple hundred

Re: [AFMUG] SpaceX Says Its 60 Starlink Satellites Are All Phoning Home (and Fading Out) | Space

2019-06-01 Thread Sean Heskett
Same amount of clouds tho. What’s the free space path loss of outer space?? On Sat, Jun 1, 2019 at 1:20 PM Bill Prince wrote: > Sure. But after the clouds, geostationary still needs to go another 23,000 > miles. LEO only has to go a few hundred. > > > bp > > > > On 6/1/2019 10:47 AM, Mathew

Re: [AFMUG] SpaceX Says Its 60 Starlink Satellites Are All Phoning Home (and Fading Out) | Space

2019-06-01 Thread Ken Hohhof
I think one factor advocacy groups and govt critters need to keep in mind is that instead of robust competition, what could occur is “disruptive” pricing, having the effect of discouraging or bankrupting the competition. And now some new entrant is the only game in town. And if it turns out

Re: [AFMUG] SpaceX Says Its 60 Starlink Satellites Are All Phoning Home (and Fading Out) | Space

2019-06-01 Thread Tim Hardy
Basically inverse square law - see http://www.spaceacademy.net.au/spacelink/spcomcalc.htm Sent from my iPad > On Jun 1, 2019, at 4:47 PM, Sean Heskett wrote: > > Same amount of clouds tho. > > What’s the free space path loss of outer space?? > > > >> On Sat, Jun 1, 2019 at 1:20 PM Bill

Re: [AFMUG] SpaceX Says Its 60 Starlink Satellites Are All Phoning Home (and Fading Out) | Space

2019-06-01 Thread Ken Hohhof
Mmm ... pizza. -Original Message- From: AF On Behalf Of Bill Prince Sent: Saturday, June 1, 2019 10:39 AM To: af@af.afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] SpaceX Says Its 60 Starlink Satellites Are All Phoning Home (and Fading Out) | Space That is almost exactly word for word how they

Re: [AFMUG] SpaceX Says Its 60 Starlink Satellites Are All Phoning Home (and Fading Out) | Space

2019-06-01 Thread Bill Prince
According to Wikipedia, they will be on Ku, Ka, and V bands. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Starlink_(satellite_constellation) bp On 6/1/2019 7:46 AM, Jaime Solorza wrote: Wonder what frequencies they will use?

Re: [AFMUG] SpaceX Says Its 60 Starlink Satellites Are All Phoning Home (and Fading Out) | Space

2019-06-01 Thread Robert Andrews
Because police radar is now all laser? On 06/01/2019 07:55 AM, Bill Prince wrote: According to Wikipedia, they will be on Ku, Ka, and V bands. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Starlink_(satellite_constellation) bp On 6/1/2019 7:46 AM, Jaime Solorza wrote: Wonder what frequencies they will

[AFMUG] SpaceX Says Its 60 Starlink Satellites Are All Phoning Home (and Fading Out) | Space

2019-06-01 Thread Jaime Solorza
Wonder what frequencies they will use? https://www.space.com/spacex-starlink-satellites-phone-home-dimming.html -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com

Re: [AFMUG] SpaceX Says Its 60 Starlink Satellites Are All Phoning Home (and Fading Out) | Space

2019-06-01 Thread Chuck McCown
I am curious how their CPE will track the satellite. If it does not track it I doubt it will have enough gain to have decent throughput. I presume some kind of pizza box with phased array of patches doing beam steering. -Original Message- From: Robert Andrews Sent: Saturday, June

Re: [AFMUG] SpaceX Says Its 60 Starlink Satellites Are All Phoning Home (and Fading Out) | Space

2019-06-01 Thread Bill Prince
That is almost exactly word for word how they described the CPE. "A pizza-box size phased array". bp On 6/1/2019 8:36 AM, Chuck McCown wrote: I am curious how their CPE will track the satellite.  If it does not track it I doubt it will have enough gain to have decent throughput.  I presume

Re: [AFMUG] wifiblaster

2019-06-01 Thread Chuck McCown
Is it right next to the ad saying that the “power company hates this product”. From: Ken Hohhof Sent: Saturday, June 01, 2019 8:35 AM To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' Subject: [AFMUG] wifiblaster I get shown this ad today for some kind of Chinese WiFi range extender, but what is the

Re: [AFMUG] wifiblaster

2019-06-01 Thread Bill Prince
It certainly isn't the thing on their web site. It does continue the trend I've noticed over the last few years to call anything that's "wireless" and has something to do with "internet" WiFi. bp On 6/1/2019 7:35 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote:

Re: [AFMUG] SpaceX Says Its 60 Starlink Satellites Are All Phoning Home (and Fading Out) | Space

2019-06-01 Thread Robert Andrews
Consider, Starlink is going to be pretty busy for a good while replacing a lot of other legacy services, serving big customers like the US military, every mobile data service, and otherwise figuring out their business model for another 5 years. I think we might have a great shot at using

Re: [AFMUG] Bidirectional path monitoring

2019-06-01 Thread Steve Jones
You geeks are really letting me down here On Fri, May 31, 2019, 8:11 PM Steve Jones wrote: > My thought is a utility that initiates the trace, identifies the hops it > can, queries the looking glasses, identifies the return per hop on the path > and icmp expires the identified return path

Re: [AFMUG] SpaceX Says Its 60 Starlink Satellites Are All Phoning Home (and Fading Out) | Space

2019-06-01 Thread Tim Withrow via AF
What kind of bandwidth  capacity could each satellite have  at any given point? What is the usable bandwidth of their system?  Who makes a radio that big to carry/transmit such  capacity or is it an aggregate of small radio's? On Saturday, June 1, 2019 Bill Prince wrote: Naturally, we're

Re: [AFMUG] Bidirectional path monitoring

2019-06-01 Thread Seth Mattinen
On 5/31/19 3:20 PM, Steve Jones wrote: Is there a tool similar to traceroute to view both paths in an asymmetric path. Maybe something that queries looking glass then multipings RIPE Atlas? https://atlas.ripe.net -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com

Re: [AFMUG] SpaceX Says Its 60 Starlink Satellites Are All Phoning Home (and Fading Out) | Space

2019-06-01 Thread Mathew Howard
Yeah, I know. And considering that it generally takes a pretty big storm to take out a geostationary satellite signal, I imagine it won't be too big of a problem... but I wouldn't be surprised if it did turn out to be a big problem either. On Sat, Jun 1, 2019 at 3:20 PM Bill Prince wrote: >