Consider, Starlink is going to be pretty busy for a good while replacing a lot of other legacy services, serving big customers like the US military, every mobile data service, and otherwise figuring out their business model for another 5 years. I think we might have a great shot at using these for replacing our backhauls for another 5 years after that before they start looking at actual consumer sales. Oh yeah and Tesla cars, gotta figure they are going to be including service through starlink with the antenna built in after a couple of year. IF the performance is good and the reliability doesn't suck I imagine every vehicle would look at this as a great alternative to cell service.+

I cannot imagine they are going to be selling for less than $150/month for a good while...

On 06/01/2019 02:22 PM, Bill Prince wrote:
Naturally, we're all thinking about what effect this will have in rural America, but I am also wondering if this would have some effect on China's "great firewall"?


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On 6/1/2019 1:47 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:

I think one factor advocacy groups and govt critters need to keep in mind is that instead of robust competition, what could occur is “disruptive” pricing, having the effect of discouraging or bankrupting the competition. And now some new entrant is the only game in town. And if it turns out to be unreliable, or not to have enough capacity, or their speeds are actually best effort, or their satellites start dropping out of the sky, or whatever, people can’t switch back to their old provider. Like being dissatisfied with online stores and assuming you can always switch back to the old brick and mortar store, from Uber and Lyft back to taxis and limos. Sorry, they don’t exist anymore.

This is unlikely to happen in big cities, I doubt Comcast will go bankrupt because of Starlink. But to just assume there will be lots of choices out in the middle of nowhere driving the price down without any of them turning off the lights, seems a little naïve.

And to assume big megacorps like SpaceX, Amazon, Googe, Facebook, etc. would never price below cost to be “disruptive” also seems naïve.

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Sure. But after the clouds, geostationary still needs to go another 23,000 miles. LEO only has to go a few hundred.

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On 6/1/2019 10:47 AM, Mathew Howard wrote:

    Clouds are generally a lot lower than a couple hundred miles...

    On Sat, Jun 1, 2019, 10:58 AM Bill Prince <part15...@gmail.com
    <mailto:part15...@gmail.com>> wrote:

        Maybe at geostationary distances, but these are only a few
        hundred miles up.

        bp
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        On 6/1/2019 8:56 AM, Matt Hoppes wrote:
        > Don't those bands have significant attenuation issues with
        like...
        > clouds?
        >
        > On 6/1/19 10:55 AM, Bill Prince wrote:
        >> According to Wikipedia, they will be on Ku, Ka, and V bands.
        >>
        >>
        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Starlink_(satellite_constellation)
        >>
        >> bp
        >> <part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com>
        >>
        >> On 6/1/2019 7:46 AM, Jaime Solorza wrote:
        >>> Wonder what frequencies they will use?
        >>>
        >>>
        https://www.space.com/spacex-starlink-satellites-phone-home-dimming.html

        >>>
        >>>
        >>

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