world. We went through this process pretty fast, so
take our decisions with a grain of salt…
Regards,
David Coudron
*From:* AF *On Behalf Of * David Coudron
*Sent:* Sunday, November 8, 2020 12:50 PM
*To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] LTE vendors
I will provide
Right now it is a lot of test results, but not enough real
> world.We went through this process pretty fast, so take our decisions
> with a grain of salt…
>
> Regards,
>
> David Coudron
>
> From: AF On Behalf Of David Coudron
> Sent: Sunday, November 8, 2
: [AFMUG] LTE vendors
I will provide more detail when back in front of a computer but we tested a few
different things. We ended up doing Blinq Networks for a few reasons. The
nonLOS was pretty impressive. More to come
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d you were trialling those
various platforms—anything to report? Did you get your hands on the
Baicells and/or Airspan stuff?
*From:* AF *On Behalf Of *Adam Moffett
*Sent:* Monday, September 14, 2020 8:50 AM
*To:* af@af.afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] LTE vendors
For CBRS, depending on antenna a
clients down to -80 (rssi).
*From:* AF *On Behalf Of *Mathew Howard
*Sent:* Sunday, November 08, 2020 4:00 PM
*To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] LTE vendors
What people are saying is the -100 RSRP is equivalent of -70 RSSI. It
sounds impressive when you hear that LTE
Users Group
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] LTE vendors
>
> Absolutely nothing amazing.
>
> The worse clients would suffer a bit while the good clients would excel.
>
>
> On Nov 8, 2020, at 4:11 PM, Jeremy Grip wrote:
>
>
> I wonder what things would look like
Matt- you have any time to take this offline and chat about your CBRS
experience tomorrow?
From: AF On Behalf Of Matt Hoppes
Sent: Sunday, November 08, 2020 4:28 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] LTE vendors
Absolutely nothing amazing.
The worse clients
arm Microwave Users Group'
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] LTE vendors
IT not about more power. The difference in the reports RSSI from the CPE is
based on the very narrow pilot signal, not the total received signal for the
whole channel. I could never get the actual transmit power level of just the
pilot sig
you,
Brian Webster
www.wirelessmapping.com
From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of Jeremy Grip
Sent: Sunday, November 8, 2020 2:22 PM
To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group'
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] LTE vendors
Thanks, Brian. I’m modeling with around 45dBm EIRP in a 20mHz channel
>
>
> From: AF On Behalf Of Mathew Howard
> Sent: Sunday, November 08, 2020 4:00 PM
> To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] LTE vendors
>
> What people are saying is the -100 RSRP is equivalent of -70 RSSI. It sounds
> impressive when you hear
I wonder what things would look like if I had 20 customers/sector and connected
a few clients down to -80 (rssi).
From: AF On Behalf Of Mathew Howard
Sent: Sunday, November 08, 2020 4:00 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] LTE vendors
What people are saying
PM
> *To:* 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group'
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] LTE vendors
>
>
>
> Remember RSRP values are going to be 30 db stronger than the signal you
> will actually need to deliver bandwidth. While it’s easy to get excited
> when you see something working an
>>> On Nov 8, 2020, at 2:34 PM, Jeremy Grip wrote:
>>>
>>
>> Of course you can’t get your hands on the 450s now until sometime in 2021.
>>
>> From: AF On Behalf Of Matt Hoppes
>> Sent: Sunday, November 08, 2020 2:07 PM
>> To: AnimalFarm M
mber 08, 2020 2:07 PM
> To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] LTE vendors
>
> It’s not he ability to hold modulation through multipath changes. UBNT
> doesn’t have this.
>
> LTE does this but at the expense of lower modulations. Think 80 down
Of course you can’t get your hands on the 450s now until sometime in 2021.
From: AF On Behalf Of Matt Hoppes
Sent: Sunday, November 08, 2020 2:07 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] LTE vendors
It’s not he ability to hold modulation through multipath changes
Really, Matt? Even Cambium officially says for foliage you need to go to LTE.
How low a signal will you connect a 450B to?
From: AF On Behalf Of Matt Hoppes
Sent: Sunday, November 08, 2020 2:07 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] LTE vendors
It’s not he ability
Webster
Sent: Sunday, November 08, 2020 1:36 PM
To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group'
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] LTE vendors
Remember RSRP values are going to be 30 db stronger than the signal you will
actually need to deliver bandwidth. While it’s easy to get excited when you see
something working
Microwave Users Group
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] LTE vendors
It’s not he ability to hold modulation through multipath changes. UBNT doesn’t
have this.
LTE does this but at the expense of lower modulations. Think 80 down and 6 up
max for the sector.
450 is blowing that out of the water. 150
> Sent: Sunday, November 8, 2020 11:44 AM
> To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] LTE vendors
>
> -100 would be full modulation on LTE. That being said please consider Cambium
> 450 - you’ll save yourself a ton of headache in the short and long run and
of the LTE claims but have no first hand knowledge.
From: AF On Behalf Of Matt Hoppes
Sent: Sunday, November 8, 2020 11:44 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] LTE vendors
-100 would be full modulation on LTE. That being said please consider Cambium
450 - you’ll save
From: Brian Webster
Sent: Sunday, November 8, 2020 11:35 AM
To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users
Group'
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] LTE vendors
Blinq Networks for a few reasons.
>> The nonLOS was pretty impressive. More to come
>>
>> Get Outlook for iOS
>> From: AF on behalf of Jeremy Grip
>>
>> Sent: Sunday, November 8, 2020 11:37:30 AM
>> To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group'
>>
w different things. We ended up doing Blinq Networks for a few reasons.
> The nonLOS was pretty impressive. More to come
>
> Get Outlook for iOS
> From: AF on behalf of Jeremy Grip
>
> Sent: Sunday, November 8, 2020 11:37:30 AM
> To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Gro
Do easy to be cynical about nlos claims. We have heard so many over the years.
From: David Coudron
Sent: Sunday, November 8, 2020 11:50 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] LTE vendors
I will provide more detail when back in front of a computer but we tested a few
om: AF on behalf of Jeremy Grip
Sent: Sunday, November 8, 2020 11:37:30 AM
To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group'
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] LTE vendors
Thought I’d pick up this thread again because I’m looking hard at CBRS LTE for
my densely forested town, largely because of its alleged foliage penet
I miss the dbm readout on my phone. Apple killed it a few versions of IOS ago.
From: Brian Webster
Sent: Sunday, November 8, 2020 11:35 AM
To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group'
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] LTE vendors
Remember RSRP values are going to be 30 db stronger than the signal you
to report? Did you get your hands on the Baicells and/or
Airspan stuff?
From: AF On Behalf Of Adam Moffett
Sent: Monday, September 14, 2020 8:50 AM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] LTE vendors
For CBRS, depending on antenna and channel size, yes it's probably legal. When
I went
the complexities and lack of visibility into the user side
with LTE…
From: AF On Behalf Of Matt Hoppes
Sent: Sunday, November 08, 2020 12:44 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] LTE vendors
-100 would be full modulation on LTE. That being said please consider Cambium
were trialling those various
> platforms—anything to report? Did you get your hands on the Baicells and/or
> Airspan stuff?
>
> From: AF On Behalf Of Adam Moffett
> Sent: Monday, September 14, 2020 8:50 AM
> To: af@af.afmug.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] LTE vendors
>
> For
trialling those various
platforms—anything to report? Did you get your hands on the Baicells and/or
Airspan stuff?
From: AF On Behalf Of Adam Moffett
Sent: Monday, September 14, 2020 8:50 AM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] LTE vendors
For CBRS, depending on antenna and channel size
page!
From: AF On Behalf Of Adam Moffett
Sent: Monday, September 14, 2020 9:00 AM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] LTE vendors
.and I think Telrad is relevant because at the time when people's notions
developed about LTE working through trees Telrad was the only option
pull out a Cambium 3 GHz 450b
high-gain SM spec sheet and compare to the LTE CPE.
*From:* AF *On Behalf Of *Trey Scarborough
*Sent:* Sunday, September 13, 2020 4:43 PM
*To:* af@af.afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] LTE vendors
Has anyone done a comparison or know of a whitepaper between LTE
an
3 GHz 450b
high-gain SM spec sheet and compare to the LTE CPE.
*From:* AF *On Behalf Of *Trey Scarborough
*Sent:* Sunday, September 13, 2020 4:43 PM
*To:* af@af.afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] LTE vendors
Has anyone done a comparison or know of a whitepaper between LTE and
Cambium? I am main
se the highest allowed EIRP? What about the CPE? That was another problem
>> with the WiMax stuff, the CPE was 3rd party stuff that typically had kind of
>> wimpy xmt power and not particularly high antenna gain. Maybe that’s not
>> true of LTE gear, I haven’t looked into i
alf Of *Trey Scarborough
*Sent:* Sunday, September 13, 2020 4:43 PM
*To:* af@af.afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] LTE vendors
Has anyone done a comparison or know of a whitepaper between LTE and
Cambium? I am mainly looking at tree penetration or lower DB signals
to actual throughput comparison.
Is
> the Non LOS coverage about the same when they were both working correctly, or
> was there a big difference?
>
> Regards,
>
> David Coudron
>
> From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> On Behalf
> Of Trey Scarborough
> Sent: Sunday, September 13, 2020 4:43
working with 450m. Is the
Non LOS coverage about the same when they were both working correctly, or was
there a big difference?
Regards,
David Coudron
From: AF On Behalf Of Trey Scarborough
Sent: Sunday, September 13, 2020 4:43 PM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] LTE vendors
Has anyone
antenna gain. Maybe that’s not true
of LTE gear, I haven’t looked into it. But pull out a Cambium 3 GHz 450b
high-gain SM spec sheet and compare to the LTE CPE.
From: AF On Behalf Of Trey Scarborough
Sent: Sunday, September 13, 2020 4:43 PM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] LTE vendors
Has anyone done a comparison or know of a whitepaper between LTE and
Cambium? I am mainly looking at tree penetration or lower DB signals to
actual throughput comparison. I have been told that LTE gets a little
better tree penetration but if that is at a low rate that really doesn't
help any.
It comes down to complexity. Ericsson, Nokia, etc are all cellular brands
and to run and manage those complex LTE networks, you need full time
engineers to manage, debug, and optimize things.
Cambium is so easy, in comparison, there's very little extra learning to do
in order to get it running
450m is the only way to do, especially if your already using the 450
platform in other parts of your network, there is an operator in my area
with the Ericson system and they had a ton of issues with getting it up and
running, not even sure if they ever got it all resolved.
On Fri, Sep 11, 2020
Yup what josh said lol.
We tried the LTE thing and glad we switch to 450m...much easier.
-Sean
On Fri, Sep 11, 2020 at 4:43 PM Josh Luthman
wrote:
> Having done one LTE vendor and 450m the only mistake I made was not buying
> the 450m sooner.
>
>
> Josh Luthman
> 24/7 Help Desk: 937-552-2340
MoFi
On Fri, Sep 11, 2020, 1:39 PM David Coudron
wrote:
> We are looking at a new area to expand out network that has a lot more
> tree cover than our current footprint. We are thinking with the
> combination of CBRS and LTE, that we might be able to offer better coverage
> than with
Having done one LTE vendor and 450m the only mistake I made was not buying
the 450m sooner.
Josh Luthman
24/7 Help Desk: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
On Fri, Sep 11, 2020 at 5:54 PM Adam Moffett wrote:
> And yeah, 450m might be expensive, but so is
And yeah, 450m might be expensive, but so is all the LTE stuff. You'll
max out the legal EIRP with 450m, and get 8x8 MIMO. I think part of the
magic with LTE is that it will connect with ridiculously low signal, but
on a fixed system you probably won't really want the trashy signals anyway.
If you are planning on going through foliage then you want to pick the
product with the highest clean Tx power so you can achieve the max EIRP.
On Fri, Sep 11, 2020 at 1:39 PM David Coudron
wrote:
> We are looking at a new area to expand out network that has a lot more
> tree cover than our
I have seen lots to people doing 450M in CBRS stating coverage is nearly
the same as LTE but way better speeds and triple the aggregate capacity due
to mu-mimo.
Way fewer issues too since there is no EPC. Just straight layer 2 with no
bullshit.
On Fri, Sep 11, 2020, 2:39 PM David Coudron
wrote:
We are looking at a new area to expand out network that has a lot more tree
cover than our current footprint. We are thinking with the combination of
CBRS and LTE, that we might be able to offer better coverage than with
traditional fixed wireless options. We have started conversations with
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