Has anyone heard how the Cambium 450 gear will work with the new
3.5Ghz FCC rules and additional spectrum? Will he still have 20Mhz
channels and ABAB capability? How will this all work?
There’s a few of them out there.. I have yet to understand why I would want to
buy a big expensive box (and they are NOT cheap) to influence my outbound BGP
traffic, knowing that like humans, we can only influence inbound BGP traffic a
very limited amount.
From: Af
I don't see why you couldn't have 20 MHz.
There haven't been technical enough rules put out to know if you can do ABAB.
I'm guessing not as the SAS will tell you what frequency to use, but maybe
they'll be able to support common systems.
-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing
Through communities, local prefs, etc. and a few upstreams, you can shape your
traffic quite a bit. The InterNAP box is the only one I'm aware of that'll do
inbound. Noction has a box that does outbound only and they were working on
inbound, but last I knew hadn't finished it yet.
-
Weirdos go to AK. AK weirdos go to Homer... Or Fairbanks.
ryan (Los Anchorage born-UAF attendee)
On Apr 16, 2015, at 19:00, Josh Reynolds j...@spitwspots.com wrote:
There's a LUG here (Linux Users Group), except these are the REAL LUGers, not
the trendy college kids you find around metro
I'm assuming a Mikrotik at a datacenter where you do BGP with a tunnel to the
destination router's IPs per upstream port. OSPF magic over the different
tunnels.
*shrugs*
-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com
- Original Message -
From:
I'm not really clear on what TJ is looking to accomplish here. The bonding of
multiple fibers together I understand ... then the final bonded connection
would connect via BGP to an upstream provider?
-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Butch Evans
Fort Huachuka looks like that...
Jaime Solorza
On Apr 17, 2015 7:16 PM, Josh Reynolds j...@spitwspots.com wrote:
here ya go, pic of it:
http://images.topix.com/gallery/up-T07Q02M6O90JI271.jpg
Josh Reynolds
CIO, SPITwSPOTSwww.spitwspots.com
On 04/17/2015 05:14 PM, Josh Reynolds wrote:
I
To show a parenting win to my friends I'll ask my 12 year old who JarJar is.
She'll come back with 'dad, you keep asking me that and I have no idea'.
Then I ask her how many Star Wars movies there are and she'll reply 'dad, they
start at 4 because 1-3 are supposed to be books.'
I get serious
Let me clarify,
Looking into devices that extend the reach of a GPon network, GPon repeaters.
Gino A. Villarini
@gvillarini
On Apr 18, 2015, at 12:47 PM, Jaime Solorza
losguyswirel...@gmail.commailto:losguyswirel...@gmail.com wrote:
I heard a Moxa engineer talk about using their industrial
Homer has it's own unique brand of Hippie, for sure.
On April 18, 2015 5:33:06 AM AKDT, Ryan Spott rsp...@irongoat.net wrote:
Weirdos go to AK. AK weirdos go to Homer... Or Fairbanks.
ryan (Los Anchorage born-UAF attendee)
On Apr 16, 2015, at 19:00, Josh Reynolds j...@spitwspots.com wrote:
Never mind. I needed the G in front to understand the question.
bp
part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com
On 4/18/2015 9:16 AM, Gino Villarini wrote:
What?
Gino A. Villarini
@gvillarini
On Apr 18, 2015, at 12:06 PM, Bill Prince part15...@gmail.com wrote:
We've done some home-grown variants. They
I love sarcasm. .
Jaime Solorza
On Apr 18, 2015 11:38 AM, Jason McKemie j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com
wrote:
I think that was a joke :)
On Saturday, April 18, 2015, Gino Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com wrote:
Btw, who says PON instead of POE?
Gino A. Villarini
@gvillarini
On Apr 18,
Yeah the inbound part I’m really skeptical over…
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett
Sent: Saturday, April 18, 2015 9:43 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Aggrigation of upstream
Through communities, local prefs, etc. and a few upstreams, you can shape
Anyone has any experience with such devices?
Gino A. Villarini
President
[cid:2B584AF2-8A2A-44BA-AEB6-24C8C7D67712]
Yeah, some people say PON some say POE... same diff...
On a serious note, pon reach is many times limited by timing rather than
optical power.
You can always use erbium doped fiber amplifiers (EDFA) but you would have to
have one in each direction with the appropriate optical filters etc.
I think that was a joke :)
On Saturday, April 18, 2015, Gino Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com wrote:
Btw, who says PON instead of POE?
Gino A. Villarini
@gvillarini
On Apr 18, 2015, at 12:59 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com
javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','ch...@wbmfg.com'); ch...@wbmfg.com
I've got an SM in NAT mode. The only device connected to it is a WiFi
router that is on the DMZ address. Numerous devices behind that router,
and some of them are getting their IP addresses leaking into the SM's
NAT table. Wha?
See the example below. The private gateway IP on the SM is
Must not have used communities much? You can exert a lot of control with them.
-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com
- Original Message -
From: Paul Stewart p...@paulstewart.org
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Saturday, April 18, 2015 2:32:31 PM
I heard a Moxa engineer talk about using their industrial switches with
fiber Turbo ring ports to extend distance using fiber in high EMI RFI plant
for defense contractor. Just an idea
Jaime Solorza
On Apr 18, 2015 10:16 AM, Gino Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com wrote:
What?
Gino A. Villarini
Oh ..well then..disregard my suggestion and drink a cold beer instead.
Jaime Solorza
On Apr 18, 2015 10:53 AM, Gino Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com wrote:
Let me clarify,
Looking into devices that extend the reach of a GPon network, GPon
repeaters.
Gino A. Villarini
@gvillarini
On Apr
It isn't a repeater but several manufacturers have small hardened OLT's
that require no environmental control. Most of the ones I have seen are six
Port or less so depending on your split you can derive the number of total
I NT you could get.
On Apr 18, 2015 11:53 AM, Gino Villarini
I'm not looking for more reach but for more snr for more splits
Would this affect power too?
Gino A. Villarini
@gvillarini
On Apr 18, 2015, at 12:59 PM, ch...@wbmfg.commailto:ch...@wbmfg.com
ch...@wbmfg.commailto:ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
Yeah, some people say PON some say POE... same diff...
Btw, who says PON instead of POE?
Gino A. Villarini
@gvillarini
On Apr 18, 2015, at 12:59 PM, ch...@wbmfg.commailto:ch...@wbmfg.com
ch...@wbmfg.commailto:ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
Yeah, some people say PON some say POE... same diff...
On a serious note, pon reach is many times limited by
Nice! I miss Phoenix in every season except summer :)
On April 18, 2015 4:27:54 AM AKDT, Daniel White afmu...@gmail.com wrote:
I took this one myself on that mountain… Mount Suppoa
***
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I didn't catch Gino's sarcasm...
On Saturday, April 18, 2015, Jaime Solorza losguyswirel...@gmail.com
wrote:
I love sarcasm. .
Jaime Solorza
On Apr 18, 2015 11:38 AM, Jason McKemie
j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com
javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com'); wrote:
I
Maybe as a part of the provisioning process, we should be setting CPE firewalls
to not allow packets through that aren't from the IPs they're supposed to have.
Would be limiting BCP38 (and successors) all the way to the CPE.
-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
The ball socket bracket still sucks. I actually used an MTI mount on the
last two I mounted, actually had to bolt half the ARC mount to half on an
MTI mount and that has worked really well. Will post a pic of this later
tonight to the list with an AF5X on the ARC panel.
Kurt Fankhauser
Wavelinc
You guys talk funny.
From: CBB - Jay Fuller
Sent: Saturday, April 18, 2015 3:30 PM
To: af@afmug.com ; memb...@wispa.org
Subject: [AFMUG] tales from the voicemail - episode 495839405834
You know, i don't know if i should feel sorry for this guy or not.
I noticed on our facebook page he's left
No. Chuck'$
Jaime Solorza
On Apr 18, 2015 12:57 PM, Jason McKemie j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com
wrote:
I didn't catch Gino's sarcasm...
On Saturday, April 18, 2015, Jaime Solorza losguyswirel...@gmail.com
wrote:
I love sarcasm. .
Jaime Solorza
On Apr 18, 2015 11:38 AM, Jason McKemie
yah, i kind of scrambled the name and address lol
- Original Message -
From: Mike Hammett
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Saturday, April 18, 2015 4:20 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] tales from the voicemail - episode 495839405834
I understood, Yes, my name is... Alabama.
I understood, Yes, my name is... Alabama. [understood most of the rest].
-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com
- Original Message -
From: CBB - Jay Fuller par...@cyberbroadband.net
To: af@afmug.com, memb...@wispa.org
Sent: Saturday, April
Ok, I caught that
On Saturday, April 18, 2015, Jaime Solorza losguyswirel...@gmail.com
wrote:
No. Chuck'$
Jaime Solorza
On Apr 18, 2015 12:57 PM, Jason McKemie
j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com
javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com'); wrote:
I didn't catch Gino's
Very interesting shootout comparing AF5X, AC-Lite, AC PTP, EPMP-1000, B5c
and RB922
https://community.ubnt.com/t5/airMAX-Stories/Radio-Shootout-Pt-2-let-s-try-a
-whole-bunch-of-them/cns-p/1232309
Peter Kranz
Founder/CEO - Unwired Ltd
http://www.UnwiredLtd.com www.UnwiredLtd.com
Desk:
On 4/18/15 2:49 PM, Peter Kranz wrote:
Very interesting shootout comparing AF5X, AC-Lite, AC PTP, EPMP-1000,
B5c and RB922
https://community.ubnt.com/t5/airMAX-Stories/Radio-Shootout-Pt-2-let-s-try-a-whole-bunch-of-them/cns-p/1232309
Dude didn't seem to catch that the ePMP is an N radio and
We replace MTIK PTP as we have very bad tcp results using nv2 over multiple
hops.
So this post does not really help to make a good decision regarding this.
I like the idea of 2 radios operating in 2 bands and change channel in
background.
This is the way to make a unlicensed band reliable. So
Wow, I wonder what the deal is with the performance of the B5c.
On Saturday, April 18, 2015, Peter Kranz pkr...@unwiredltd.com wrote:
Very interesting shootout comparing AF5X, AC-Lite, AC PTP, EPMP-1000, B5c
and RB922
I see customer routers leaking private ips into the WAN space all the time.
I go looking for someone with a POE plugged into a LAN port but they
aren't. The addresses aren't reachable it's just some kind of broadcast
that gets caught in the bridge table.
-Ty
On Apr 18, 2015 1:24 PM, Bill Prince
I think it was ‘bam’ish.
From: Chuck McCown
Sent: Saturday, April 18, 2015 4:45 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] tales from the voicemail - episode 495839405834
That was english?
From: Mike Hammett
Sent: Saturday, April 18, 2015 3:20 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] tales
Oh, I thought it was just hilbilly speak. ;-)
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Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com
- Original Message -
From: CBB - Jay Fuller par...@cyberbroadband.net
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Saturday, April 18, 2015 4:39:19 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] tales
And you say I'm south!
___
Mangled by my iPhone.
___
Tyler Treat
Corn Belt Technologies, Inc.
tyler.tr...@cornbelttech.commailto:tyler.tr...@cornbelttech.com
___
On Apr 18, 2015, at 4:20 PM, Mike Hammett
Horseshit, read the article. Did you miss the portion where Jim said it's the
exact same chip that's in the RM5?
I would have liked to have seen the RM5 in this test as a baseline, but
ignoring the results simply because it's N tech in the EPMP is silly. Not only
does the throughput drop, but
On 4/18/15 3:34 PM, Josh Reynolds wrote:
Horseshit, read the article. Did you miss the portion where Jim said
it's the exact same chip that's in the RM5?
I would have liked to have seen the RM5 in this test as a baseline, but
ignoring the results simply because it's N tech in the EPMP is silly.
If your criterion is performance in the presence of a signal on a different
frequency 30 dB stronger than the desired signal, this analysis is relevant.
Also, this seems to be the scenario airPrism is designed to address. But how
often would this occur? Even if the interference is from
lol :)
- Original Message -
From: Tyler Treat
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Saturday, April 18, 2015 5:31 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] tales from the voicemail - episode 495839405834
And you say I'm south!
___
Mangled by my iPhone.
I have used communities a lot... The problem is non-standard support and no
support at all from some of the transit providers…
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett
Sent: Saturday, April 18, 2015 3:35 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Aggrigation of
How about this: what tests would you like to see done?
Overall throughput?
Bits/hz?
Max tx power per channel/band?
Max number of clients for PtMP radio? (Given at least 4 or 10Mbps/sub)
Overall Mbps/$?
Name the criteria, and let's get people to do more tests.
On April 18, 2015 2:55:41 PM
He did perform another throughput test for those only interested in throughput
numbers.. He compared Rocket M, Rocket AC, AF5X, and Mimosa B5c:
https://community.ubnt.com/t5/airMAX-Stories/Radio-Shootout-Pt-1-AC-Lite-vs-Brand-M/cns-p/1231758
-Peter
They previously said you would have to register 2 contiguous 10mhz channels
in the SAS database if you wanted to run the 450 on 20mhz wide channels.
This was said about a year ago however.
Kurt Fankhauser
Wavelinc Communications
P.O. Box 126
Bucyrus, OH 44820
http://www.wavelinc.com
tel.
I wish MTI and Mars antennas weren’t so expensive, they sure have nice mounts.
From: Kurt Fankhauser
Sent: Saturday, April 18, 2015 7:35 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Arc Wireless mounts
here is the ARC panel with half an MTI mount in it so I don't have to use the
stupid ball
Good plan except for the vertical adjustment. I was thinking Gorilla Glue or
Loctite.
Rory
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Kurt Fankhauser
Sent: Saturday, April 18, 2015 5:35 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Arc Wireless mounts
here is the ARC panel with half an
This test ignores a few kind of important details... the UBNT and Mikrotik
AC radios have no ability to sync, which gives them a significant
disadvantage. also, the Mimosa radios are (theoretically) capable of higher
throughput since they are the only ones with the ability to use two 80mhz
V/H or +45/-45?
From: Kurt Fankhauser
Sent: Saturday, April 18, 2015 7:40 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] loving these AF5X's so far!
First link up. Havn't even fine tuned anything yet. ARC panels on both ends.
Initially tried to use DFS freqs and kept getting radar detect. Even though I
Did you set 23dbi gain?
Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
On Apr 18, 2015 8:40 PM, Kurt Fankhauser li...@wavelinc.com wrote:
First link up. Havn't even fine tuned anything yet. ARC panels on both
ends.
Initially tried to use DFS
looks to me like the antenna gain is at 0db, since it's saying it's
limiting it to 15dbm EIRP... not that it actually makes any difference,
since the TX power is going to be at 15dbm either way... it'll just be
showing 38 on the interface.
On Sat, Apr 18, 2015 at 7:54 PM, Josh Luthman
The EIRP is messed up unless the ATPC brought mine down to to -60. I've
got it at 25eirp with 19dbi antenna.
Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
On Apr 18, 2015 8:58 PM, Mathew Howard mhoward...@gmail.com wrote:
looks to me like the
Weird, it's working right for me. Did you upgrade to v3.0, or are you still
on RC7 or whatever it was they shipped with?
I'm getting 45db eirp with 30dbi dishes, which should be the correct max
for 5.2ghz. maybe it's only screwed up with smaller antennas.
On Sat, Apr 18, 2015 at 8:05 PM, Josh
3.0
My link is only 2000 feet. 19dbi antenna give me -60 and I can see it
bounce up and down 1db. I'm not certain there's ATPC but it certainly
looks that way.
Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
On Apr 18, 2015 9:12 PM, Mathew Howard
I'm not talking about any bgp stuff guys, I'm talking about the ability to
bond several non bgp lines into one virtual pipe that is bgp capable (i.e.
with a mikrotik in a data center who can give a bgp session) not talking
about bonding multiple bgp capable lines, etc
On Apr 18, 2015 4:54 PM, Mike
That would makes sense, I don't remember hearing anything about ATPC on
these, but it would be kind of surprising if they didn't have it.
On Sat, Apr 18, 2015 at 8:22 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com
wrote:
3.0
My link is only 2000 feet. 19dbi antenna give me -60 and I can see it
AF absolutely has sync?
As far as AirMaxAC, sure, no sync.. At this time.
In the end though, there are a lot of operators that simply don't care about
sync.
Eventually in many markets it will come to a point when you simply run out of
clean frequency, ie: using one or two or three per tower
There isn't really ATPC per say. There are some.. Similar options in 3.x
firmware. Have you read Chuck's post on how the AF won't really let you cheat
on EIRP? Has to do with distance calculations, tx power, etc.
On April 18, 2015 5:05:43 PM AKDT, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com
Ken,
This is V/H polarity. Don't really see any need for slant on this link. I'm
limited for antenna options right now anyway. But these are working great
so I don't think I'm going to mess with them.
Josh,
No I did not set antenna gain.
Kurt Fankhauser
Wavelinc Communications
P.O. Box 126
Interesting test Jim. It looks like you put a lot of time into the test so
thank you for the effort. If nothing else comes from this, I’m sure that there
are going to be several people that will now be doing their own test. Since
I’ve just gotten in a couple of AF5x radios and also a pair of
No community support, no business.
http://www.onesc.net/communities/
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Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com
- Original Message -
From: Paul Stewart p...@paulstewart.org
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Saturday, April 18, 2015 6:42:08 PM
Subject:
Gino,
Are you already using C+ optics?
Even if you just put it at the headend you get +2 TX and +4 RX.
Figure out a way to put on ONU and get +3 RX
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Myakka Technologies, Inc.
www.MyakkaTech.com
Proud Sponsor of the
It was talked about that you absolutely need to set your antenna gain
exactly for DFS to work. I think they also mentioned that you couldn't use
DFS freqs for both polarities without getting detections. So I believe one
freq would have to be non-DFS and one DFS. Did I catch that correctly?
Never been a fan of sync. Installed hundreds of Canopy with sync as well
several others who did as well in area using sync. Still had interference
issues that was fixed by channel chances or different antenna choices.
Others were using Sunstream and Skypilot gear that interfered wirh us.
Jaime
I've got 3 DFS set... No problems.
Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
On Apr 18, 2015 11:30 PM, Jeremy jeremysmi...@gmail.com wrote:
It was talked about that you absolutely need to set your antenna gain
exactly for DFS to work. I
I thought I recalled Chuck mentioning something like that at AF. I guess I
should have taken notes.
On Sat, Apr 18, 2015 at 9:53 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com
wrote:
I've got 3 DFS set... No problems.
Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
My proposal still stands.
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Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com
- Original Message -
From: TJ Trout t...@voltbb.com
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Saturday, April 18, 2015 8:23:11 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Aggrigation of upstream
I'm not talking
At least he was polite. I've had a few lately call after hours and weekends
with attitudes.
I keep a list. I'll give someone a few breaks, but if they're abusive on the
phone they get exactly two strikes.
- Original Message -
From: CBB - Jay Fuller
To: af@afmug.com
Sent:
While I applaud the initiative to do a comparison test, there are quiet a few
things in this test presentation that would cause one to raise an eyebrow...
First one that jumps out is ... how come an 802.11n radio is grouped together
with all of these other 802.11ac radios ? (EPMP is not the
Nope. Having great success with no sync using Ubiquiti radios. Now with
new channels even better. Just like Mesh. Not ready for prime time on my
TV...
Jaime Solorza
On Apr 18, 2015 10:11 PM, Mike Hammett af...@ics-il.net wrote:
The more competitors, the *MORE* you need sync.
-
Mike
Yeah, I see these screen shots of people having backhauls hitting at -60 and
it's not realistic to me in terms of power needed to actually make the link
work.
Then again, UBNT won't publish their AF SNR requirements...
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Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
You may not need the benefits, but it doesn't mean I'm not correct.
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Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com
- Original Message -
From: Jaime Solorza losguyswirel...@gmail.com
To: Animal Farm af@afmug.com
Sent: Saturday, April 18, 2015
PS. You might want to consider water proofing that GPS connector as well.. They
way that boot works has always made me feel like it’s a perfect water cup.
Which one?
On Apr 18, 2015 9:07 PM, Mike Hammett af...@ics-il.net wrote:
My proposal still stands.
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Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com
https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL
https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb
I'm also quite confused on some people using low gain antennas for this. At
a minimum, people should be using 25 db dish antennas. We plan on using
minimum 30 db dishes on these links to improve link budget and block noise
with the narrower beam. Why all of a sudden 2-3 people are using panel
i love southern folk, everything to them is itty bitty, like I got hit by
this itty bitty semi truck one day
On Sat, Apr 18, 2015 at 11:10 PM, Glen Waldrop gwl...@cngwireless.net
wrote:
At least he was polite. I've had a few lately call after hours and
weekends with attitudes.
I keep a
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