Re: [AFMUG] 450 frame utilization and performance issues

He didn't say ePMP was too expensive, he said it had too many bugs. On 11/9/2015 9:40 AM, Josh Luthman wrote: Dude he thinks EPMP is way too expensive. Doesn't read like a very rational post to me. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH

Re: [AFMUG] power Switches (PDUs)

We use them at every site we do an upgrade now. We use WS-12-250AC inside/bottom of tower and WS-Mini outside. They power our Mimosa B5, SAF Lumina, Mikrotik, ePMP, Ubiquity AC. If there is a MT-Router at tower bottom we power it also with POE. So there is only one Power Source. Von: Af

Re: [AFMUG] Unsurprising news: Rural Mississippi broadband sucks

Let me know how you handle it. I've got about $500 in the RB433 that works as a 5GHz client and 2.4GHz AP with $50 CPE and I've not even covered expenses. Every time it gets close to breaking even we've had either a lightning strike or a tornado. Every time we start to catch up Weather.com

Re: [AFMUG] power Switches (PDUs)

Re: Still on AC I’m an engineer so you’ll have to forgive the impulse to argue about details but you are already powering everything with DC I’m sure. Your just using multiple power converters to get each device from AC to DC. The change to all DC is really about aggregating power

Re: [AFMUG] power Switches (PDUs)

We have several of the DC models that we are using to redo some older sites. We are putting them at the top of the tower, and running fiber/DC to them. Everyone who has used them seems to be pretty happy. On Mon, Nov 9, 2015 at 9:29 AM, Joshaven Mailing Lists wrote: > How

Re: [AFMUG] Unsurprising news: Rural Mississippi broadband sucks

We are looking at a similar issue and the best we can come up with is a cluster solution at those prices. We are going to drop the cost down to $10 per month for homes that only use some school device like Chrome or iPad and then $20 for 5Mbps service with certain things blocked. Rory From:

Re: [AFMUG] 450 frame utilization and performance issues

like nearly everything from Cambium..it is too expensive and soo low Bandwith for the customers. Too expensive or slow :P Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Nov 9, 2015 9:44 AM, "Adam Moffett" wrote: > He

Re: [AFMUG] Unsurprising news: Rural Mississippi broadband sucks

Honestly, I live in rural Alabama. When the neighbors that I can't even see get too suffocating I ride through Mississippi and drive at 70mph down their four lane highways and go minutes if not several minutes between seeing houses. MS has some population centers, but at least the majority of

Re: [AFMUG] 450 frame utilization and performance issues

I can't think of a WISP product that is more feature rich and has fewer problems than Canopy. I'm not sure why we would call the 450 "slow" either. It's exactly the speed it should be for 256QAM and 20mhz. On 11/9/2015 5:30 AM, Stefan Englhardt wrote: > and which vendors actually meet that

Re: [AFMUG] 450 frame utilization and performance issues

Dude he thinks EPMP is way too expensive. Doesn't read like a very rational post to me. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Nov 9, 2015 9:35 AM, "Sean Heskett" wrote: > You must be doing something wrong because our

Re: [AFMUG] 450 frame utilization and performance issues

Yeah not sure what hes talking about we have great success with pmp450 deployments. epmp has been very supplemental in our small cell deployments as well. On 11/09/2015 08:47 AM, Josh Luthman wrote: like nearly everything from Cambium..it is too expensive and soo low

Re: [AFMUG] 450 frame utilization and performance issues

You must be doing something wrong because our experience is the complete opposite with PMP450. What does your noise floor look like? -Sean On Sunday, November 8, 2015, Daniel Gerlach wrote: > the 450 is a 4 years old pointless product like nearly everything from >

Re: [AFMUG] power Switches (PDUs)

How many of you have tried the Netonix PoE switches from the RF Armor guys? Sincerely, Joshaven Potter MTCNA, MTCRE, MTCWE, MTCTCE, UACA Google Hangouts: yourt...@gmail.com Cell & SMS: 1-517-607-9370 supp...@joshaven.com > On Nov 5, 2015, at 11:40 AM, SmarterBroadband

Re: [AFMUG] drop invalid state when asymmetric

Its in the script Right now visibility and eliminating traffic nobody needs is the primary reason for any forward rules. On Mon, Nov 9, 2015 at 2:45 PM, Adam Moffett wrote: > Sometimes Ken I think you are reading my mind. > > On 11/9/2015 3:42 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote: > > What

[AFMUG] DragonWave ODU 18ghz and 24ghz guru

Hey, I am looking for some help (mainly documentation and or diagrams) on how the DragonWave 18Ghz and 24Ghz equipment hooks up and works. First time working with it and I just want to be sure I know what everything does/is. Contacting me here or off list is fine. Thanks.

[AFMUG] SyncInjectors and PMP450i

We have recently become aware of a potential issue when using a SyncInjector with a PMP450i. The short version of this issue is that with certain cable runs (mostly longer ones), a PMP450i will refuse to accept the sync from the SyncInjector as valid, even though the pulse is perfectly valid and

Re: [AFMUG] DragonWave ODU 18ghz and 24ghz guru

which product line? i'm familiar with the compact horizon and horizon plus. you basically run ethernet or fiber to the unit and it has 4 latches that connect it to the antenna. if you email supp...@dragonwaveinc.com they can set up a login to their support site support.dragonwaveinc.com which

[AFMUG] CentOS 6.7 or 7?

There seems to be a fair bit of dissatisfaction with RHEL7/CentOS 7. I'm building a couple new servers, if my others are running CentOS 6 and do what I need, should I resist the temptation to jump to 7? I think CentOS 6 EOS dates are 2017 for full updates and 2020 for maintenance updates? I

[AFMUG] Packetflux PoE injector for AirFiber24

Is it safe to run an airFiber24 off of a normal Packetflux Gigabit PoE injector, or do I need to use the airFiber specific injector?

Re: [AFMUG] Packetflux PoE injector for AirFiber24

Either one works. On Nov 9, 2015 11:21 AM, "Mathew Howard" wrote: > Is it safe to run an airFiber24 off of a normal Packetflux Gigabit PoE > injector, or do I need to use the airFiber specific injector? >

Re: [AFMUG] 450 frame utilization and performance issues

I can't disagree that PMP450 is too expensive, but slow? ...compared to what? and what is less buggy than ePMP, other than PMP450? On Mon, Nov 9, 2015 at 8:47 AM, Josh Luthman wrote: > like nearly everything from > Cambium..it is too expensive and soo low Bandwith

Re: [AFMUG] 450 frame utilization and performance issues

We have about 50 -60 subs per with about 300+ on a tower with 6 APs. We noticed frame utilization was being a bear so we added 2 Aps to make up for the congestion which has worked for now but we may be able to squeeze some more by changing our framing to 80/20 on DL usage. That will have to be a

Re: [AFMUG] Packetflux PoE injector for AirFiber24

Thanks! I just wasn't sure if it could handle enough current for an AF24... I knew it could power all 8 wires, since it's sitting in front of me. On Mon, Nov 9, 2015 at 12:34 PM, Forrest Christian (List Account) < li...@packetflux.com> wrote: > Either one works. > On Nov 9, 2015 11:21 AM,

Re: [AFMUG] Packetflux PoE injector for AirFiber24

You should check the gigabit POE injector, as it "probably" does not power all 8 wires. The Packetflux POE for AirFiber powers all 8 wires, and includes magnetics to allow it. bp On 11/9/2015 10:20 AM, Mathew Howard wrote: Is it safe to run an airFiber24 off of a

Re: [AFMUG] Packetflux PoE injector for AirFiber24

Hmmm, there is another one that powers all 8 wires too -Original Message- From: Bill Prince Sent: Monday, November 09, 2015 11:25 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Packetflux PoE injector for AirFiber24 You should check the gigabit POE injector, as it "probably" does not

Re: [AFMUG] Packetflux PoE injector for AirFiber24

Link to jumper settings http://tickets.packetflux.com/kb/faq.php?id=16 On Nov 9, 2015 11:34 AM, "Forrest Christian (List Account)" < li...@packetflux.com> wrote: > Either one works. > On Nov 9, 2015 11:21 AM, "Mathew Howard" wrote: > >> Is it safe to run an airFiber24

Re: [AFMUG] Packetflux PoE injector for AirFiber24

I understand. But since he was asking about the Packetflux version, I assumed that he was linking it into his Packetflux SiteMonitor bus. This would allow him to have remote power control. bp On 11/9/2015 10:28 AM, Chuck McCown wrote: Hmmm, there is another one

Re: [AFMUG] 450 frame utilization and performance issues

Me too. But a heavy loaded tower is 100 people. I'm sure there are operators pushing 100 subs on a single 450 AP... Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Nov 9, 2015 10:43 AM, "Mathew Howard" wrote: > Too

Re: [AFMUG] Unsurprising news: Rural Mississippi broadband sucks

I’m waiting for the geniuses at Google Fiber to show us dummies how to solve that one. You could say advertising supported or walled garden services like Facebook is promoting in the third world might be the answer, but with those trees, drones and balloons might not be a solution, even

Re: [AFMUG] Unsurprising news: Rural Mississippi broadband sucks

Until somebody cuts launch costs ($ per kg to a 450 x 450km orbit) to 1/10th of its current price, satellite will always be the worst option unless you're in a truly remote place. For example a mountainous region of Idaho in a town with population 70 people. o3b is a step in the right direction,

Re: [AFMUG] 450 frame utilization and performance issues

Yeah, 450 in 3.65 LOS pretty much as you described has performed very well for us. From: David Sent: Monday, November 09, 2015 10:13 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 450 frame utilization and performance issues We have about 50 -60 subs per with about 300+ on a tower with 6 APs. We

Re: [AFMUG] 450 frame utilization and performance issues

Define too expensive... If operators can buy it, sell a service and be profitable than I don't think it's too expensive. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Nov 9, 2015 10:25 AM, "Mathew Howard" wrote: > I

Re: [AFMUG] 450 frame utilization and performance issues

If you think the equipment cost is your major obstacle, you are not paying attention to what it costs to do a truck roll. bp On 11/9/2015 6:40 AM, Josh Luthman wrote: Dude he thinks EPMP is way too expensive. Doesn't read like a very rational post to me. Josh

Re: [AFMUG] 450 frame utilization and performance issues

Too expensive for me... considering the alternatives. But yeah, that's true. A lot of operators are using it and making money... it certainly has it's place. We'll likely even be putting up more PMP450 in 900mhz and 3.65ghz in the future, since there really aren't cheaper alternatives there (UBNT

[AFMUG] Dragonwave Frequency File HAAM

Anyone have experience modifying Dragonwave “Frequency Files” to adjust SNR thresholds for HAMM modulation events?

Re: [AFMUG] OT need advice

I would recommend speaking with local school, church, and/or other trusted social organization to find a suitable match. My experience with this is that the recommendation of a trusted party goes a long way to helping find the right person. Also be sure to express the details of the

Re: [AFMUG] power Switches (PDUs)

Good to hear that others are using them, I have a few in production use and they have been good so far. Sincerely, Joshaven Potter MTCNA, MTCRE, MTCWE, MTCTCE, UACA Google Hangouts: yourt...@gmail.com Cell & SMS: 1-517-607-9370 supp...@joshaven.com > On Nov 9, 2015, at 9:44 AM, Stefan

Re: [AFMUG] drop invalid state when asymmetric

No. IMO, you don't need to drop invalid connections on your ISP network. Asymmetric paths across the internet are almost a given. It makes sense on a customer firewall where you might be blocking a spoofed connection. On 11/9/2015 3:11 PM, That One Guy /sarcasm wrote: If I have some

Re: [AFMUG] drop invalid state when asymmetric

Sometimes Ken I think you are reading my mind. On 11/9/2015 3:42 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote: What is the rationale behind this rule in the first place? Maybe because I originally come from the routing-in-hardware world, I don’t even have connection tracking enabled on my network routers (with the

Re: [AFMUG] Mikrotik fair queues over a variable speed link?

I have a different approach to recommend that I believe turns the can’t into a can. What you can do is ensure that the type of service mark ( DSCP ) is set in accordance with your preference. Then you can setup QoS on any of your radio links such that they prioritize the important traffic.

Re: [AFMUG] drop invalid state when asymmetric

makes sense, thank you On Mon, Nov 9, 2015 at 2:30 PM, Adam Moffett wrote: > No. > > IMO, you don't need to drop invalid connections on your ISP network. > Asymmetric paths across the internet are almost a given. It makes sense on > a customer firewall where you might be

[AFMUG] drop invalid state when asymmetric

If I have some asymmetric routes on the network, and there is a drop invalid state rule in the forward chain, is there any magician trick to get around disabling this rule? (its considered invalid because connection tracking is only seeing half the traffic) fixing the assymetry is the long term

Re: [AFMUG] drop invalid state when asymmetric

You cannot have a connection that is indicated on one router continued on another router without being invalid. One magic trick is having the best routing information for network egress. This way the device will pick the best path out and in to your network. Another magic trick would be to

Re: [AFMUG] side project? ospf visualization

Re-inventing Cacti might be worth the time… Its ugly, clunky and very difficult to properly extend. Maybe if you spent the time to take Cacti to an all new 1.0 first... Sincerely, Joshaven Potter MTCNA, MTCRE, MTCWE, MTCTCE, UACA Google Hangouts: yourt...@gmail.com Cell & SMS:

Re: [AFMUG] drop invalid state when asymmetric

What is the rationale behind this rule in the first place? Maybe because I originally come from the routing-in-hardware world, I don’t even have connection tracking enabled on my network routers (with the exception of some dedicated routers trying to be a poor man’s Procera). I guess if I had

[AFMUG] Hedy Lamarr Gets Her Due For Engineering Achievement in Google Doodle - Fortune

http://fortune.com/2015/11/09/google-doodle-hedy-lamarr/ Jaime Solorza

Re: [AFMUG] power Switches (PDUs)

Awesome, I’ve often been tempted to run fiber to the top! Sincerely, Joshaven Potter MTCNA, MTCRE, MTCWE, MTCTCE, UACA Google Hangouts: yourt...@gmail.com Cell & SMS: 1-517-607-9370 supp...@joshaven.com > On Nov 9, 2015, at 9:33 AM, Josh Baird wrote: > > We have several

Re: [AFMUG] CentOS 6.7 or 7?

7, for the 3.x series kernel if nothing else. On Mon, Nov 9, 2015 at 9:41 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote: > There seems to be a fair bit of dissatisfaction with RHEL7/CentOS 7. I'm > building a couple new servers, if my others are running CentOS 6 and do > what I need, should I resist

Re: [AFMUG] SyncInjectors and PMP450i

Is the pulse from the pipe effectively fed directly into the radio ports and the SyncInjector just monitors it? Or does the SyncInjector reference the pipe's output and regenerates before output to the radios? I know the radios don't really care about a lost pulse here and there. IIRC, it's

Re: [AFMUG] SyncInjectors and PMP450i

This problem isn't likely to affect all of the radios randomly at the same time. Since each port is driven by a separate set of electronics, and you have a separate cable to each radio, any effect should be radio-specific. I just looked at the syncinjector firmware - it needs 3-4 lost pulses

Re: [AFMUG] SyncInjectors and PMP450i

Let me guess, they only take a CMM4 aligned pulse? On 11/9/2015 4:21 PM, Forrest Christian (List Account) wrote: We have recently become aware of a potential issue when using a SyncInjector with a PMP450i. The short version of this issue is that with certain cable runs (mostly longer ones), a

Re: [AFMUG] SyncInjectors and PMP450i

How would we know we have the issue? I had an issue with it running gigabit on the lab PC but moving it to auto 100 got the radio accessible. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Mon, Nov 9, 2015 at 5:21 PM, Forrest Christian (List

Re: [AFMUG] 450 frame utilization and performance issues

Just curious What would you consider a reasonable timeline to fix a recently discovered bug, and which vendors actually meet that expectation in a consistent manner? -forrest On Sun, Nov 8, 2015 at 10:39 PM, Daniel Gerlach wrote: > the 450 is a 4 years old

Re: [AFMUG] 450 frame utilization and performance issues

> and which vendors actually meet that expectation in a consistent manner? This is a symptom of the WISP-Industry. Most gear is usable but at permanent beta state. I guess Daniel is pissed of as he had other expectations from cambium gear. It is more expensive than Mikrotik and UBNT so it

Re: [AFMUG] SyncInjectors and PMP450i

OK, now I'm very interested. I have multiple sites with regular 10/100 SyncInjectors with 450 APs on them (no need for GigE). They're all on 200 feet or more cable. Randomly, all APs at a site will show loss of power port sync. More often, they say the sync pulse is flip flopping on and off.

Re: [AFMUG] SyncInjectors and PMP450i

If you're receiving sync on your 450i, you don't have the issue. -forrest On Mon, Nov 9, 2015 at 3:24 PM, Josh Luthman wrote: > How would we know we have the issue? I had an issue with it running > gigabit on the lab PC but moving it to auto 100 got the radio

Re: [AFMUG] SyncInjectors and PMP450i

Sort of. First of all, a normal pulse out of a syncinjector into a short cable: [image: Inline image 5] Interesting things happen when you shoot this into a long cable: [image: Inline image 1] Those bounces at the front are my best guess as to what is causing the 450i to not like the sync

[AFMUG] Unsurprising news: Rural Mississippi broadband sucks

http://www.wired.com/2015/11/the-land-that-the-internet-forgot/ yeah you're not going to get a lot of subscribers in a county where 90% of the children qualify for free school lunches... no matter what the population is, hard finding a sufficient number of people to pay $50/mo.