Re: [AFMUG] IgniteNet Metrolinq

And what channel are you on? Rory From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Matt Hoppes Sent: Thursday, October 19, 2017 4:53 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] IgniteNet Metrolinq U. What? Our links are aligned. The issue is the failover does not work properly. On Oct

Re: [AFMUG] IgniteNet Metrolinq

http://accesspoint.hu/files/xinha/radio_full_.png Is that really it? Doubt it's hot glue, but still? On 10/19/17 3:36 PM, Josh Baird wrote: Good stuff, Rory, good stuff.. On Thu, Oct 19, 2017 at 7:39 PM, Rory Conaway > wrote: I

Re: [AFMUG] IgniteNet Metrolinq

I appreciate all the intel. Thanks everyone. -- Original Message -- From: "Matt Hoppes" To: af@afmug.com Sent: 10/19/2017 6:38:35 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] IgniteNet Metrolinq Let me back up. We lose our IN link every time a bird pees. It generally

Re: [AFMUG] IgniteNet Metrolinq

Good stuff, Rory, good stuff.. On Thu, Oct 19, 2017 at 7:39 PM, Rory Conaway wrote: > I echo what Eric is saying. Part of the issue is alignment. No different > than the AirFibers. You have to make sure you have as much headroom as > possible for fade. Second, is

Re: [AFMUG] Stupid MikroTik SNMP

That's been driving me nuts too... I just started pointing SNMP to an IP on a specific interface instead of the loopback IP (like the IP address on ether1 in George's example), and that's mostly worked, but it's not ideal. On Thu, Oct 19, 2017 at 4:08 PM, Nate Burke wrote: >

Re: [AFMUG] IgniteNet Metrolinq

U. What? Our links are aligned. The issue is the failover does not work properly. > On Oct 19, 2017, at 19:39, Rory Conaway wrote: > > I echo what Eric is saying. Part of the issue is alignment. No different > than the AirFibers. You have to make sure you have

Re: [AFMUG] IPv6 for management

I could see it making sense to move management gear to IPv6 eventually, but the only real reason that I could see why I'd want to do that would be if I wasn't using IPv4 for management at all... and it's probably not something that's going to be in widespread use any time soon. Currently, the

Re: [AFMUG] IPv6 for management

I don't think we'd use it for management on our equipment. I think sticking with v4 for it's simplicity is better. Much easier to remember a v4 private address space over a v6 address. Once we get over a couple billion devices, I'm sure we'll reconsider. On Thu, Oct 19, 2017 at 7:22 PM, Seth

Re: [AFMUG] IgniteNet Metrolinq

I don't believe that anyone could align these properly just using the scopes. On a 1 mile link, you pretty much have to use the scope to even get them to link, but you need to fine tune them after that, and in my experience anyway, the scope doesn't align exactly the same on any two radios. If I

Re: [AFMUG] IgniteNet Metrolinq

On 10/19/17 16:39, Rory Conaway wrote: Matt, I suspect that if Ubiquiti had a 60Ghz radio out, you wouldn’t even be part of this discussion or you would say that rain fade was a feature to protect the environment. Burn.

Re: [AFMUG] IgniteNet Metrolinq

I echo what Eric is saying. Part of the issue is alignment. No different than the AirFibers. You have to make sure you have as much headroom as possible for fade. Second, is the issue of which channel you select. The highest channel has the least amount of rain fade. Matt, I suspect that

Re: [AFMUG] IgniteNet Metrolinq

We have two Metrolinq links running at slightly under a mile each... rain fade is a bit worse than an airfiber 24ghz link running going twice the distance. At 300 meters, I would be surprised if it ever had any major issues... also, keep in mind that there's a very big difference between the

Re: [AFMUG] IPv6 for management

IMO, dual stack or forget IPv6 entirely. On 10/19/2017 6:20 PM, Forrest Christian (List Account) wrote: So, after the response to me mentioning https:// for device management, I figured I'd ask about the following: How about IPv6?   It's on my list as well to look at... Does anyone see any

Re: [AFMUG] IPv6 for management

On 10/19/17 16:20, Forrest Christian (List Account) wrote: How about IPv6?   It's on my list as well to look at...    Does anyone see any real need for having your management gear on IPv6 instead of IPv4, at least in the near term? I use it. Probably the minority though.

[AFMUG] IPv6 for management

So, after the response to me mentioning https:// for device management, I figured I'd ask about the following: How about IPv6? It's on my list as well to look at...Does anyone see any real need for having your management gear on IPv6 instead of IPv4, at least in the near term? -- *Forrest

Re: [AFMUG] Favorite https: cert implementation for managed gear

Alright, sounds like I can deprioritize https:// One less thing on the plate for right now. On Wed, Oct 18, 2017 at 8:58 PM, George Skorup wrote: > HTTPS is the least of my concerns for on-net gear. If I'm remote, it's > over an IPsec VPN to the NOC. And the other

Re: [AFMUG] IgniteNet Metrolinq

I would have to say my experience was the opposite. Good quality and highly reliable, as long as it was installed correctly, but expensive. Somewhat less so now that they have more serious 80 GHz competition from SIAE, Siklu and others. On Thu, Oct 19, 2017 at 3:55 PM, Chuck McCown

Re: [AFMUG] IgniteNet Metrolinq

I tried Bridgewave back in the day of Daniel. Did not have a good experience. So far nothing has changed my mind about that band. And I am in Utah From: Eric Kuhnke Sent: Thursday, October 19, 2017 4:52 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] IgniteNet Metrolinq Please don't let your

Re: [AFMUG] IgniteNet Metrolinq

Please don't let your impression of 60 GHz be influenced by IgniteNet's silly USB dongle in front of a reflector, cheap stuff... Bridgewave (REMEC/Mosely) and others make much more expensive, carrier grade, fiber-connected 60 GHz PTP equipment that is good for five nines reliability at 500 to 650

Re: [AFMUG] IgniteNet Metrolinq

For the record, birds don't "pee". Their #1 and #2 are combined into one outlet, so they do something like 1-1/2 (neither 1 nor 2). -bp On Thu, Oct 19, 2017 at 3:45 PM, Chuck McCown wrote: > Well hell, that is almost TMI. I expected as such from this band. Sounds > like if

Re: [AFMUG] IgniteNet Metrolinq

Well hell, that is almost TMI. I expected as such from this band. Sounds like if they increase the sensitivity of the switchover mechanism it would be a contender. From: Matt Hoppes Sent: Thursday, October 19, 2017 4:38 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] IgniteNet Metrolinq Let me

Re: [AFMUG] IgniteNet Metrolinq

Let me back up. We lose our IN link every time a bird pees. It generally holds up during torrential down pours. Random fog events will cause it to become trashed. The link is .6 miles. I expected it to fade from time to time. The problem for me is the fail over does not happen properly.

Re: [AFMUG] IgniteNet Metrolinq

How far is your shot? What channel are you using? Rory From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Matt Hoppes Sent: Thursday, October 19, 2017 3:26 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] IgniteNet Metrolinq I disagree. We lose our IN link every time it rains. And the 5GHz does not

Re: [AFMUG] IgniteNet Metrolinq

Now that’s more like it. From: Matt Hoppes Sent: Thursday, October 19, 2017 4:26 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] IgniteNet Metrolinq I disagree. We lose our IN link every time it rains. And the 5GHz does not fail over seemleasly at all. There is packet loss and high pings until

Re: [AFMUG] IgniteNet Metrolinq

I disagree. We lose our IN link every time it rains. And the 5GHz does not fail over seemleasly at all. There is packet loss and high pings until the 60GHz finally dies. Then it sometimes flips. > On Oct 19, 2017, at 17:56, Mike Hammett wrote: > > If a bunch of folks

Re: [AFMUG] IgniteNet Metrolinq

Spoken like a true evangelist. From: Mike Hammett Sent: Thursday, October 19, 2017 3:56 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] IgniteNet Metrolinq If a bunch of folks deploy it and do so correctly, there won't be complaining. ;-) - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions

Re: [AFMUG] IgniteNet Metrolinq

Having installed tons of Siklu and Bridgewave links at Fort Bliss and ICE compound in Artesia, here are my tips. Make sure mounts are level and plumb with solid anchors...no movement. Align azimuth first and then elevation in slow precise movements. The Siklu alignment tool works well even

Re: [AFMUG] IgniteNet Metrolinq

If a bunch of folks deploy it and do so correctly, there won't be complaining. ;-) - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP - Original Message - From: "Chuck McCown" To: af@afmug.com Sent: Thursday,

Re: [AFMUG] IgniteNet Metrolinq

I ain’t belivin nuthing until a bunch of folks have deployed this stuff and start complaining about it. Then we will have believable data. From: Mike Hammett Sent: Thursday, October 19, 2017 3:32 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] IgniteNet Metrolinq

Re: [AFMUG] IgniteNet Metrolinq

https://transition.fcc.gov/Bureaus/Engineering_Technology/Documents/bulletins/oet70/oet70a.pdf page 7 vs. page 15 - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP - Original Message - From: "Chris Wright"

Re: [AFMUG] IgniteNet Metrolinq

Between 50-80GHz, oxygen attenuates the EM spectrum significantly more than water. Not to say that it doesn’t contribute at all to fade, but at 300 meters you’d probably only ever go down if Poseiden himself took offense to your client.

Re: [AFMUG] Stupid MikroTik SNMP

I haven't tried this method yet, I'll have to test it out. What I do is just set a Static 0.0.0.0/0 route with the gateway on each Backhaul with a different routing mark. firewall/mangle mark Connection, chain Input, UDP port 161, set In Interface of Backhaul Mark Routing, Chain Output, Check

Re: [AFMUG] IgniteNet Metrolinq

Oxygen absorption peaks near the 60 GHz point at around 11 dB/km. Per NOAA in my area, we'll see a rain that is at least 4.76"/hr measured on a 5 minute interval every year. That's often enough for me. That's about 120 mm/hr. That's about 30 - 40 dB/km. Yes, rain does have a significant

Re: [AFMUG] IgniteNet Metrolinq

Very unlikely. https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp/posts/956205354504917 https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp/posts/1152763711515746 - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP - Original Message - From:

Re: [AFMUG] IgniteNet Metrolinq

On your 1300m link, does it sometimes switch to 5ghz? How much of a hit do you take when it switches from radio to the other? -- Original Message -- From: "Chris Wright" To: af@afmug.com Sent: 10/19/2017 2:41:28 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] IgniteNet Metrolinq I have

Re: [AFMUG] IgniteNet Metrolinq

This link would be just under 300 meters. Will I ever go down for rain? -- Original Message -- From: "Mike Hammett" To: af@afmug.com Sent: 10/19/2017 4:17:00 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] IgniteNet Metrolinq Yes, it's still an issue. To say otherwise is dumb. -

Re: [AFMUG] IgniteNet Metrolinq

Weird. I thought dumb people weren't allowed to write articles on The Internet. -- Original Message -- From: "Mike Hammett" To: af@afmug.com Sent: 10/19/2017 4:17:00 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] IgniteNet Metrolinq Yes, it's still an issue. To say otherwise is dumb.

Re: [AFMUG] IgniteNet Metrolinq

Yes, it's still an issue. To say otherwise is dumb. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP - Original Message - From: "Adam Moffett" To: af@afmug.com Sent: Thursday, October 19, 2017 3:16:09 PM

Re: [AFMUG] IgniteNet Metrolinq

Is rain fade an issue? I just read an article claiming that the atmospheric attenuation at 60ghz is so great that at any range where 60ghz will operate the rain fade is insignificant. -- Original Message -- From: "Carl Peterson" To: "af@afmug.com"

Re: [AFMUG] Stupid MikroTik SNMP

SRC NAT the SNMP port to the loopback IP. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP - Original Message - From: "George Skorup" To: "Animal Farm" Sent: Thursday, October 19,

[AFMUG] Stupid MikroTik SNMP

I know Nate has mentioned this before. Wondering if there's a solution. This has been driving me nuts for years. A large/complicated OSPF design may have some asymmetric paths between A and Z. But the problem comes down to asymmetry at the router you're trying to poll. For example, SNMP

Re: [AFMUG] IgniteNet Metrolinq

Sam Beiler is able to align these using scopes at one mile without revisiting either side.  > On Oct 19, 2017, at 15:18, Chris Wright wrote: > > I guess that makes me one of today’s lucky 10,000. > > Chris Wright > Network Administrator > > From: Af

Re: [AFMUG] IgniteNet Metrolinq

I guess that makes me one of today’s lucky 10,000. Chris Wright Network Administrator From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Thursday, October 19, 2017 12:14 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] IgniteNet Metrolinq It's already a done deal. Radio

Re: [AFMUG] IgniteNet Metrolinq

It's already a done deal. Radio comes without mounts and they have a variety of mounts separately available. This has been stated what I feel like is dozens of times, but maybe that's in aggregate across all of the platforms I'm on. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions

Re: [AFMUG] IgniteNet Metrolinq

The "regular" bracket is good for high angles. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP - Original Message - From: "Carl Peterson" To: af@afmug.com Sent: Thursday, October 19, 2017 1:58:56

Re: [AFMUG] IgniteNet Metrolinq

Depends on the gain. A 10 footer is always hard. From: Adam Moffett Sent: Thursday, October 19, 2017 1:03 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] IgniteNet Metrolinq Except 6ghz at 13km isn't very hard at all. -- Original Message -- From: ch...@wbmfg.com To: af@afmug.com Sent:

Re: [AFMUG] IgniteNet Metrolinq

Yeah, what he said. On 10/19/2017 2:08 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote: Depends on the gain.  A 10 footer is always hard. *From:* Adam Moffett *Sent:* Thursday, October 19, 2017 1:03 PM *To:* af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] IgniteNet Metrolinq Except 6ghz at 13km isn't very hard at all. --

Re: [AFMUG] IgniteNet Metrolinq

Yeahbut what size antenna? Try a 10+ footer that's <1 degree 3dB beamwidth. On 10/19/2017 2:03 PM, Adam Moffett wrote: Except 6ghz at 13km isn't very hard at all. -- Original Message -- From: ch...@wbmfg.com To: af@afmug.com Sent:

Re: [AFMUG] IgniteNet Metrolinq

Ah. I haven't done anything bigger than 4'. -- Original Message -- From: ch...@wbmfg.com To: af@afmug.com Sent: 10/19/2017 3:08:27 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] IgniteNet Metrolinq Depends on the gain. A 10 footer is always hard. From:Adam Moffett Sent: Thursday, October 19, 2017 1:03

Re: [AFMUG] IgniteNet Metrolinq

True! DSJ From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Matt Hoppes Sent: Thursday, October 19, 2017 2:56 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] IgniteNet Metrolinq Yes On Oct 19, 2017, at 14:46, Adam Moffett > wrote: At 1300m will I

Re: [AFMUG] IgniteNet Metrolinq

Except 6ghz at 13km isn't very hard at all. -- Original Message -- From: ch...@wbmfg.com To: af@afmug.com Sent: 10/19/2017 3:01:43 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] IgniteNet Metrolinq I would guess it would be as fussy as a 6 GHz @ 13 kM. Directivity scales with frequency. From:Chris Wright

Re: [AFMUG] IgniteNet Metrolinq

I waited almost 5 months for my LR brackets to be in stock.. On 10/19/17 9:01 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote: I would guess it would be as fussy as a 6 GHz @ 13 kM.  Directivity scales with frequency. *From:* Chris Wright *Sent:* Thursday, October 19, 2017 12:56 PM *To:* af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re:

Re: [AFMUG] IgniteNet Metrolinq

I would guess it would be as fussy as a 6 GHz @ 13 kM. Directivity scales with frequency. From: Chris Wright Sent: Thursday, October 19, 2017 12:56 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] IgniteNet Metrolinq Absolutely yes. 60GHz for the first time will make whoever is doing the

Re: [AFMUG] IgniteNet Metrolinq

Glad its not just me that can't align these things. I can align a bridgwave or siklu in 15 minutes tops, and know exactly when it is aligned, but budget at least 4 hours for an ignite and even then I have no idea if it is really aligned right. On Thu, Oct 19, 2017 at 2:58 PM, Carl Peterson

Re: [AFMUG] IgniteNet Metrolinq

Agreed. Drop the radio price by however many pennies they’re paying for the mounts + added shipping weight and prevent a lot of noobs from needless suffering. Chris Wright Network Administrator From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Carl Peterson Sent: Thursday, October 19,

Re: [AFMUG] IgniteNet Metrolinq

Yes, and the LR brackets. They should just drop the regular bracket and make everyone order the decent ones. On Thu, Oct 19, 2017 at 2:46 PM, Adam Moffett wrote: > At 1300m will I really need a scope to align it? > > > -- Original Message -- > From: "Chris Wright"

Re: [AFMUG] IgniteNet Metrolinq

Absolutely yes. 60GHz for the first time will make whoever is doing the alignment rethink their profession. Chris Wright Network Administrator From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Matt Hoppes Sent: Thursday, October 19, 2017 11:56 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG]

Re: [AFMUG] IgniteNet Metrolinq

Yes > On Oct 19, 2017, at 14:46, Adam Moffett wrote: > > At 1300m will I really need a scope to align it? > > > -- Original Message -- > From: "Chris Wright" > To: af@afmug.com > Sent: 10/19/2017 2:41:28 PM > Subject: Re: [AFMUG]

Re: [AFMUG] IgniteNet Metrolinq

At 1300m will I really need a scope to align it? -- Original Message -- From: "Chris Wright" To: af@afmug.com Sent: 10/19/2017 2:41:28 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] IgniteNet Metrolinq I have a 1300 meter link on PTP60-35 radios doing -59/-61. Very happy with them. The

Re: [AFMUG] Sonar

Here's a thought about though, and I hate security through obscurity, but it's worth pointing out. If there is a flaw in whatever software. If it's hosted in one place, it's easy to exploit and get everything. If it's hosted in 1000 places, you might get a few customers but there's no way

Re: [AFMUG] IgniteNet Metrolinq

I have a 1300 meter link on PTP60-35 radios doing -59/-61. Very happy with them. The mounts they come with are trash. Get the “long range” brackets and alignment scope. Chris Wright Network Administrator From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Adam Moffett Sent: Thursday,

Re: [AFMUG] Sonar

Thread == Dead -- Original Message -- From: "Josh Luthman" To: "af@afmug.com" Sent: 10/19/2017 2:37:31 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Sonar I seriously doubt there is one database for all customers. It makes way more sense for so many reasons to

Re: [AFMUG] Sonar

I seriously doubt there is one database for all customers. It makes way more sense for so many reasons to do one db per customer. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Wed, Oct 18, 2017 at 11:12 AM, Matt Hoppes <

[AFMUG] IgniteNet Metrolinq

I have a microwave shot about 3 blocks long, so 60ghz seems like an option. Have any of you tried IgniteNet? Has it been reliable for you? I don't actually need a gigabit in this case, I just need it to be up.

Re: [AFMUG] which gear resets, and which gear reboots?

It never occurred to me that a soft reboot would disconnect power from the board. There's no reason it couldn't. It's news to me if the anything does that though. -- Original Message -- From: "Steve Jones" To: "af@afmug.com" Sent:

Re: [AFMUG] Gino gets some help from ubnt

Nice write up. On Oct 19, 2017 8:45 AM, "CBB - Jay Fuller" wrote: > > Shared on social media ; thanks for the link! > > > - Original Message - > *From:* Zach Underwood > *To:* af@afmug.com > *Sent:* Thursday, October 19, 2017 8:53 AM >

Re: [AFMUG] Gino gets some help from ubnt

Shared on social media ; thanks for the link! - Original Message - From: Zach Underwood To: af@afmug.com Sent: Thursday, October 19, 2017 8:53 AM Subject: [AFMUG] Gino gets some help from ubnt

Re: [AFMUG] Cabinets with AC and heat

Not so fast. Like to have more info. Drawings, photos, etc. From: Lewis Bergman Sent: Thursday, October 19, 2017 12:21 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cabinets with AC and heat So far, I would say that is a resounding "no". On Thu, Oct 19, 2017, 1:18 AM Jason McKemie

Re: [AFMUG] Cabinets with AC and heat

Have you looked at Charles? They are out of the Chicago area. Jeff Broadwick CTIconnect 312-205-2519 Office 574-220-7826 Cell jbroadw...@cticonnect.com > On Oct 19, 2017, at 8:58 AM, can...@believewireless.net > wrote: > > I've never received a quote from them

[AFMUG] Gino gets some help from ubnt

*https://community.ubnt.com/t5/airFiber-Stories/airFiber24-Radios-Restore-Internet-Service-to-Puerto-Rico-After/cns-p/2104859 * -- Zach Underwood (RHCE,RHCSA,RHCT,UACA)

Re: [AFMUG] Cabinets with AC and heat

I've never received a quote from them either. Pestered them for months and they never quoted me. On Thu, Oct 19, 2017 at 8:54 AM, Adair Winter wrote: > Who have you been talking to? That's never been my experience. > > On Oct 19, 2017 1:18 AM, "Lewis Bergman"

Re: [AFMUG] Cabinets with AC and heat

Who have you been talking to? That's never been my experience. On Oct 19, 2017 1:18 AM, "Lewis Bergman" wrote: > I usually like amorod but after two initial discussion and two weeks they > never gave me a quote. > > On Wed, Oct 18, 2017, 11:49 PM Adair Winter

Re: [AFMUG] OT: new guy to the list

Agreed, Loyalty to those who deserve/earn Loyalty... On 10/18/17 4:08 PM, Chuck McCown wrote: If you are loyal to lying cheating business partners well that is a whole other kettle of ...  stupidity -Original Message- From: Robert Sent: Wednesday, October 18, 2017 8:03 PM To:

Re: [AFMUG] Cabinets with AC and heat

whats your resounding about surplus resellers? when we first got with our guy, we assumed he just found a parked truck, but having gone to the warehouse and the boss talking to him about his warehouse space all around the country, we found out corporate joints just spend money bureaucratically,

Re: [AFMUG] Cabinets with AC and heat

So far, I would say that is a resounding "no". On Thu, Oct 19, 2017, 1:18 AM Jason McKemie < j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com> wrote: > I bought some DDB cabinets decked out with A/C and a bunch of other > goodies from a surplus seller a couple years ago for around $800. This is > what Telecom

Re: [AFMUG] Cabinets with AC and heat

I bought some DDB cabinets decked out with A/C and a bunch of other goodies from a surplus seller a couple years ago for around $800. This is what Telecom Surplus used to specialize in, now days they are just another reseller. I think they buy them from the same place I got these and just mark

Re: [AFMUG] Cabinets with AC and heat

I usually like amorod but after two initial discussion and two weeks they never gave me a quote. On Wed, Oct 18, 2017, 11:49 PM Adair Winter wrote: > I'm pretty sure that an > https://amprod.us/products/outdoor-telecom-enclosures/minifort/ > would be about the same

Re: [AFMUG] Cabinets with AC and heat

Lewis, one of our suppliers in the US has a big stock of used high-quality telecom cabinets. I will forward their e-mail to you tomorrow. On Oct 18, 2017 11:44 PM, "Lewis Bergman" wrote: I have a few projects coming up that will require some cabinets. After looking