Re: [AFMUG] AF 24 HD Real World Range?

2016-03-01 Thread Jason McKemie
n Mon, Feb 29, 2016 at 10:27 AM, Chuck McCown <ch...@wbmfg.com >>>>> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','ch...@wbmfg.com');>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> I would do licensed. 11 or 18 GHz. Then you save the spectrum and >>>>>> have somethin

Re: [AFMUG] AF 24 HD Real World Range?

2016-03-01 Thread Jaime Solorza
>>>> A Mimosa B11 link can be done for about the same cost as AF24HD... >>>>> >>>>> On Mon, Feb 29, 2016 at 10:27 AM, Chuck McCown <ch...@wbmfg.com> >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> I would do licensed. 11 or 1

Re: [AFMUG] AF 24 HD Real World Range?

2016-03-01 Thread Eric Kuhnke
On Mon, Feb 29, 2016 at 10:27 AM, Chuck McCown <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote: >>>> >>>>> I would do licensed. 11 or 18 GHz. Then you save the spectrum and >>>>> have something that works all the time. That that much more money. If >>

Re: [AFMUG] AF 24 HD Real World Range?

2016-03-01 Thread Jason McKemie
ave something that works all the time. That that much more money. If you >>>> are maxing out APs then you have the customers to pay for the licensed BH. >>>> >>>> *From:* Adam Moffett <dmmoff...@gmail.com> >>>> *Sent:* Monday, February 29, 2016 9:25 AM &

Re: [AFMUG] AF 24 HD Real World Range?

2016-03-01 Thread Craig Schmaderer
istrator Velociter Wireless 209-838-1221 x115<tel:209-838-1221%20x115> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com<mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com>] On Behalf Of Mathew Howard Sent: Monday, February 29, 2016 11:22 AM To: af Subject: Re: [AFMUG] AF 24 HD Real World Range? A Mimosa B11 link can be d

Re: [AFMUG] AF 24 HD Real World Range?

2016-03-01 Thread Eric Kuhnke
ot. > > > > > > > > > > *Von:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *Im Auftrag von *Josh Luthman > *Gesendet:* Dienstag, 1. März 2016 15:34 > *An:* af@afmug.com > *Betreff:* Re: [AFMUG] AF 24 HD Real World Range? > > > > I want to say the old Blackberries

Re: [AFMUG] AF 24 HD Real World Range?

2016-03-01 Thread Stefan Englhardt
f [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] Im Auftrag von Mike Hammett Gesendet: Dienstag, 1. März 2016 16:59 An: af@afmug.com Betreff: Re: [AFMUG] AF 24 HD Real World Range? and the PTP600 was what, ten years old when the AF5x came out? - Mike Hammett <http://www.ics-il.com/> Intelligent C

Re: [AFMUG] AF 24 HD Real World Range?

2016-03-01 Thread Chris Wright
And sometime last month, and the month before that… Chris Wright Network Administrator Velociter Wireless 209-838-1221 x115 From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Joe Novak Sent: Tuesday, March 01, 2016 6:16 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] AF 24 HD Real World Range

Re: [AFMUG] AF 24 HD Real World Range?

2016-03-01 Thread Mike Hammett
March 1, 2016 9:34:21 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] AF 24 HD Real World Range? Yes. Under very good conditions 1024 QAM is possible with AF5X. With Back2Back Sync we’ve to play with power levels of the remote sides to keep modulations up. AF5X is a very good radio. First 5GHz Radio better

Re: [AFMUG] AF 24 HD Real World Range?

2016-03-01 Thread Stefan Englhardt
ck. Which is a lot for a backhaul. Von: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] Im Auftrag von Josh Baird Gesendet: Dienstag, 1. März 2016 16:45 An: af@afmug.com Betreff: Re: [AFMUG] AF 24 HD Real World Range? Mimosa is quite good about this too. I don't see why nearly *everything* requires

Re: [AFMUG] AF 24 HD Real World Range?

2016-03-01 Thread Josh Luthman
r levels of the >>>>> >>>>> remote sides to keep modulations up. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> AF5X is a very good radio. First 5GHz Radio better than PTP600 imho. >>>>> And

Re: [AFMUG] AF 24 HD Real World Range?

2016-03-01 Thread Josh Baird
p modulations up. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> AF5X is a very good radio. First 5GHz Radio better than PTP600 imho. >>>> And it takes only 10W compared to the 50W of a PTP600. >>>> >>>> The SW is not as good. Every change gives a re

Re: [AFMUG] AF 24 HD Real World Range?

2016-03-01 Thread Josh Luthman
; >>> AF5X is a very good radio. First 5GHz Radio better than PTP600 imho. And >>> it takes only 10W compared to the 50W of a PTP600. >>> >>> The SW is not as good. Every change gives a reboot. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >

Re: [AFMUG] AF 24 HD Real World Range?

2016-03-01 Thread Josh Baird
t;> it takes only 10W compared to the 50W of a PTP600. >> >> The SW is not as good. Every change gives a reboot. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> *Von:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *Im Auftrag von *Josh Luthman >> *Gesendet:* Di

Re: [AFMUG] AF 24 HD Real World Range?

2016-03-01 Thread Josh Luthman
t takes only 10W compared to the 50W of a PTP600. > > The SW is not as good. Every change gives a reboot. > > > > > > > > > > *Von:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *Im Auftrag von *Josh Luthman > *Gesendet:* Dienstag, 1. März 2016 15:34 > *An:* af@afmug

Re: [AFMUG] AF 24 HD Real World Range?

2016-03-01 Thread Stefan Englhardt
is not as good. Every change gives a reboot. Von: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] Im Auftrag von Josh Luthman Gesendet: Dienstag, 1. März 2016 15:34 An: af@afmug.com Betreff: Re: [AFMUG] AF 24 HD Real World Range? I want to say the old Blackberries could do 64QAM (802.11n)? AF5x can

Re: [AFMUG] AF 24 HD Real World Range?

2016-03-01 Thread Josh Luthman
t;>>>> er...@northcentraltower.com >>>>>> Office: 630-621-4804 >>>>>> Cell: 630-777-9291 >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On Mon, Feb 29, 2016 at 6:58 PM, Chris Wright <ch...@velociter.net> >>>>>&

Re: [AFMUG] AF 24 HD Real World Range?

2016-03-01 Thread Steve Utick
;>>> On Mon, Feb 29, 2016 at 6:58 PM, Chris Wright <ch...@velociter.net> >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> The trick is getting Mimosa to actually ship them. >.> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>

Re: [AFMUG] AF 24 HD Real World Range?

2016-03-01 Thread Josh Reynolds
n Mon, Feb 29, 2016 at 6:58 PM, Chris Wright <ch...@velociter.net> >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> The trick is getting Mimosa to actually ship them. >.> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >&g

Re: [AFMUG] AF 24 HD Real World Range?

2016-03-01 Thread Josh Luthman
t; >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> The trick is getting Mimosa to actually ship them. >.> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Chris Wright >>>>> >>>>> Network Administrator >>>>&g

Re: [AFMUG] AF 24 HD Real World Range?

2016-03-01 Thread Josh Luthman
elociter Wireless >>> >>> 209-838-1221 x115 >>> >>> >>> >>> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Mathew Howard >>> *Sent:* Monday, February 29, 2016 11:22 AM >>> *To:* af >>> *Subject:* Re

Re: [AFMUG] AF 24 HD Real World Range?

2016-03-01 Thread Joe Novak
gt;> >> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Mathew Howard >> *Sent:* Monday, February 29, 2016 11:22 AM >> *To:* af >> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] AF 24 HD Real World Range? >> >> >> >> A Mimosa B11 link can be done for about the

Re: [AFMUG] AF 24 HD Real World Range?

2016-02-29 Thread Erich Kaiser
t; Chris Wright > > Network Administrator > > Velociter Wireless > > 209-838-1221 x115 > > > > *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Mathew Howard > *Sent:* Monday, February 29, 2016 11:22 AM > *To:* af > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] AF 24 HD Real Wor

Re: [AFMUG] AF 24 HD Real World Range?

2016-02-29 Thread Chris Wright
The trick is getting Mimosa to actually ship them. >.> Chris Wright Network Administrator Velociter Wireless 209-838-1221 x115 From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Mathew Howard Sent: Monday, February 29, 2016 11:22 AM To: af Subject: Re: [AFMUG] AF 24 HD Real World

Re: [AFMUG] AF 24 HD Real World Range?

2016-02-29 Thread Eric Kuhnke
t that much more money. If you >>>> are maxing out APs then you have the customers to pay for the licensed BH. >>>> >>>> *From:* Adam Moffett <dmmoff...@gmail.com> >>>> *Sent:* Monday, February 29, 2016 9:25 AM >>>> *To:*

Re: [AFMUG] AF 24 HD Real World Range?

2016-02-29 Thread Eric Kuhnke
The bigger Rx antenna on the AF24HD is helpful, but you're still severely limited for link budget due to +0 maximum TX power and 24 GHz's atmospheric behavior. For $6k+ the price of an AF24HD, I would buy instead a set of SIAE AlfoPlus2 1024QAM licensed radios in 11 or 18 GHz. At your distance

Re: [AFMUG] AF 24 HD Real World Range?

2016-02-29 Thread Josh Luthman
>>> *From:* Adam Moffett <dmmoff...@gmail.com> >>> *Sent:* Monday, February 29, 2016 9:25 AM >>> *To:* af@afmug.com >>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] AF 24 HD Real World Range? >>> >>> More than 1.5 to *maybe *2 miles at 24ghz is nuts. &g

Re: [AFMUG] AF 24 HD Real World Range?

2016-02-29 Thread Joe Novak
.@gmail.com> >> *Sent:* Monday, February 29, 2016 9:25 AM >> *To:* af@afmug.com >> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] AF 24 HD Real World Range? >> >> More than 1.5 to *maybe *2 miles at 24ghz is nuts. >> ...but it depends how much rain you get. >> >> >> On 2/29/2

Re: [AFMUG] AF 24 HD Real World Range?

2016-02-29 Thread Mathew Howard
<ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote: >>>> >>>>> I would do licensed. 11 or 18 GHz. Then you save the spectrum and >>>>> have something that works all the time. That that much more money. If >>>>> you >>>>> are maxing out APs then you have

Re: [AFMUG] AF 24 HD Real World Range?

2016-02-29 Thread Mathew Howard
; *From:* Adam Moffett <dmmoff...@gmail.com> >>> *Sent:* Monday, February 29, 2016 9:25 AM >>> *To:* af@afmug.com >>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] AF 24 HD Real World Range? >>> >>> More than 1.5 to *maybe *2 miles at 24ghz is nuts. >>>

Re: [AFMUG] AF 24 HD Real World Range?

2016-02-29 Thread Josh Luthman
t;>>> are maxing out APs then you have the customers to pay for the licensed BH. >>>> >>>> *From:* Adam Moffett <dmmoff...@gmail.com> >>>> *Sent:* Monday, February 29, 2016 9:25 AM >>>> *To:* af@afmug.com >>>> *Subject:* Re: [AF

Re: [AFMUG] AF 24 HD Real World Range?

2016-02-29 Thread Josh Luthman
e the customers to pay for the licensed BH. >> >> *From:* Adam Moffett <dmmoff...@gmail.com> >> *Sent:* Monday, February 29, 2016 9:25 AM >> *To:* af@afmug.com >> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] AF 24 HD Real World Range? >> >> More than 1.5 to *maybe *2 miles at 24gh

Re: [AFMUG] AF 24 HD Real World Range?

2016-02-29 Thread Mathew Howard
ney. If you are > maxing out APs then you have the customers to pay for the licensed BH. > > *From:* Adam Moffett <dmmoff...@gmail.com> > *Sent:* Monday, February 29, 2016 9:25 AM > *To:* af@afmug.com > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] AF 24 HD Real World Range? > > More th

Re: [AFMUG] AF 24 HD Real World Range?

2016-02-29 Thread Mike Hammett
2016 10:40:04 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] AF 24 HD Real World Range? We ran a regular AF24 at 4.6 miles.� It would work fine, but would be completely gone during any rain. On 2/29/2016 10:37 AM, Chuck McCown wrote: RadioMobile is free. You can use Cambium if you want to put in all yo

Re: [AFMUG] AF 24 HD Real World Range?

2016-02-29 Thread Nate Burke
Lambie <mailto:samtaos...@gmail.com> *Sent:* Monday, February 29, 2016 9:36 AM *To:* af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] AF 24 HD Real World Range? I wish they had a path calc tool. The way they do things, it more like put it up and pray. On Mon, Feb 29, 201

Re: [AFMUG] AF 24 HD Real World Range?

2016-02-29 Thread Bill Prince
It depends on your rain zone. We have a AF24 (not the HD) running ~~ 9 miles. We do get some fade in rain, but we're in a relatively mild zone. bp On 2/29/2016 8:23 AM, Sam Lambie wrote: Hey all, I have a PTP 450 link at 6.937 miles that is working fine with 3

Re: [AFMUG] AF 24 HD Real World Range?

2016-02-29 Thread Chuck McCown
RadioMobile is free. You can use Cambium if you want to put in all your customer data (assuming they have a product in the same band). From: Sam Lambie Sent: Monday, February 29, 2016 9:36 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] AF 24 HD Real World Range? I wish they had a path calc tool

Re: [AFMUG] AF 24 HD Real World Range?

2016-02-29 Thread Chuck McCown
I have done 18 GHz @ 7 miles several times without issue. But in Utah. From: Adam Moffett Sent: Monday, February 29, 2016 9:34 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] AF 24 HD Real World Range? I even feel sketchy about 18ghz at 7 miles. That's at the cusp where you have to decide

Re: [AFMUG] AF 24 HD Real World Range?

2016-02-29 Thread Cassidy B. Larson
We do an AF24HD at 4.5 miles right now. It’s linking at 64QAM and 770Mbps FD. It does alright, except when there’s heavy rain. We’re in the desert so there isn’t too much of that. -c > On Feb 29, 2016, at 9:25 AM, Adam Moffett wrote: > > More than 1.5 to maybe 2 miles

Re: [AFMUG] AF 24 HD Real World Range?

2016-02-29 Thread Sam Lambie
016 9:25 AM > *To:* af@afmug.com > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] AF 24 HD Real World Range? > > More than 1.5 to *maybe *2 miles at 24ghz is nuts. > ...but it depends how much rain you get. > > > On 2/29/2016 11:23 AM, Sam Lambie wrote: > > Hey all, > I have a PTP 450 link a

Re: [AFMUG] AF 24 HD Real World Range?

2016-02-29 Thread Josh Luthman
:* Adam Moffett <dmmoff...@gmail.com> > *Sent:* Monday, February 29, 2016 9:25 AM > *To:* af@afmug.com > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] AF 24 HD Real World Range? > > More than 1.5 to *maybe *2 miles at 24ghz is nuts. > ...but it depends how much rain you get. > > > On 2/

Re: [AFMUG] AF 24 HD Real World Range?

2016-02-29 Thread Adam Moffett
<mailto:dmmoff...@gmail.com> *Sent:* Monday, February 29, 2016 9:25 AM *To:* af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] AF 24 HD Real World Range? More than 1.5 to /maybe /2 miles at 24ghz is nuts. ...but it depends how much rain you get. On 2/29/2016 11:23 AM, Sam Lambie wrote:

[AFMUG] AF 24 HD Real World Range?

2016-02-29 Thread Sam Lambie
Hey all, I have a PTP 450 link at 6.937 miles that is working fine with 3 access points. But we want to install another 450 AP and I am loathe to use it as will saturate the link in no time. Looking to save the 5ghz spectrum for our AP's, I am thinking of the AF24HD. Has anyone installed a link

Re: [AFMUG] AF 24 HD Real World Range?

2016-02-29 Thread Chuck McCown
@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] AF 24 HD Real World Range? More than 1.5 to maybe 2 miles at 24ghz is nuts. ...but it depends how much rain you get. On 2/29/2016 11:23 AM, Sam Lambie wrote: Hey all, I have a PTP 450 link at 6.937 miles that is working fine with 3 access points. But we want

Re: [AFMUG] AF 24 HD Real World Range?

2016-02-29 Thread Adam Moffett
More than 1.5 to /maybe /2 miles at 24ghz is nuts. ...but it depends how much rain you get. On 2/29/2016 11:23 AM, Sam Lambie wrote: Hey all, I have a PTP 450 link at 6.937 miles that is working fine with 3 access points. But we want to install another 450 AP and I am loathe to use it as

Re: [AFMUG] AF 24 HD Real World Range?

2016-02-29 Thread Mathew Howard
It might work, but it's going to drop everytime someone sneezes in the general area. On Mon, Feb 29, 2016 at 10:23 AM, Sam Lambie wrote: > Hey all, > I have a PTP 450 link at 6.937 miles that is working fine with 3 access > points. But we want to install another 450 AP and