Late 1970s.
From: Adam Moffett
Sent: Sunday, April 30, 2017 1:34 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] installer hire / training process.
I don't know when or where that was, but I'm 100% sure that punch out/punch in
thing would be illegal today in NY State. The DOL would argue
about running on a loading dock.
I'm not disagreeing with you, just saying that there are other
mitigating factors in play.
-- Original Message --
From: "Chuck McCown" <ch...@wbmfg.com>
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: 4/30/2017 12:42:28 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] installer hire /
ever told one of those guys to fuck off, you not only would you have
been fired, you might have needed dental work too.
From: Sean Heskett
Sent: Sunday, April 30, 2017 10:05 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] installer hire / training process.
Running is for children and thieves
ou actually have to tell them, in
> simple and clear terms exactly what you want.
>
>
>
> *From:* Brandon Yuchasz
> *Sent:* Sunday, April 23, 2017 5:37 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* [AFMUG] installer hire / training process.
>
> I was going to type a long PC ty
n the side of the employer here.
>>>> Sounds like some of you are on the side of telling the employer to fuck
>>>> off.
>>>>
>>>> The point being argued is not safety, not being abusive, it is not even
>>>> running. It is a slow e
+1
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Jaime Solorza
Sent: Sunday, April 30, 2017 11:03 AM
To: Animal Farm <af@afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] installer hire / training process.
Well this old dude can usually out work and out last most younger workers.
Experience keeps yo
e of the employer here.
>>> Sounds like some of you are on the side of telling the employer to fuck
>>> off.
>>>
>>> The point being argued is not safety, not being abusive, it is not even
>>> running. It is a slow employee with no sense of urgency. How can
habit. The challenge is not having enough leaders to be in the field
for someone to catch the habit from.
Paul
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Jeremy
Sent: Sunday, April 30, 2017 10:42 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] installer hire / training process.
I am 40, own
”.
Employers that do not say things that are needed end up with a bunch of
employees not giving a full day’s effort for a full day’s pay.
From: Timothy Steele
Sent: Sunday, April 30, 2017 7:30 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] installer hire / training process.
I've had a few of the jobs
uld tell you to ‘hustle” one
time...
*From:* Josh Reynolds
*Sent:* Monday, April 24, 2017 8:24 AM
*To:* af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] installer hire / training process.
To tell the truth, I'd
hand is up
-Original Message-
From: Jay Weekley
Sent: Sunday, April 30, 2017 8:03 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] installer hire / training process.
Ok, everyone over 40 that owns their company and still works in the
field AND runs all the time when they are on the job site
nch
>>> Package sorter/truck loader UPS (I had this job once)
>>> Ranch hand staking hay.
>>> Subway sandwich maker during lunch.
>>> Meat cutter.
>>> I could be here all day listing jobs that require you to jog/hustle/run.
>>> I do not think
, 2017 8:31 AM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] installer hire / training process.
Not saying to rush for the sake of rushing, saying to go fast. Do
things perfectly in the least amount of time possible. That means
hustle. Why would you chose to slowly drag your ass between the
truck
maker during lunch.
> Meat cutter.
>
> I could be here all day listing jobs that require you to jog/hustle/run.
>
> I do not think it is in any way unreasonable to ask an installer to have
> some spring in their step.
>
>
> *From:* Chuck McCown
> *Sent:* Monday, April 24, 2017
it is in any way unreasonable to ask an installer to
have some spring in their step.
*From:* Chuck McCown
*Sent:* Monday, April 24, 2017 8:31 AM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] installer hire / training process.
Not saying to rush for the sake of rushing, saying to go fast. Do
things
by both guys.
From: Cameron Crum
Sent: Friday, April 28, 2017 3:51 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] installer hire / training process.
Actually it wasn't Carnegie, it was his right hand man Henry Frick who was a
ruthless SOB. Carnegie was largely hands off at the time and Frick was really
shoot an employee and get men on the moon, which led to the internet.
>
> Simple.
>
> -Original Message- From: Robert Andrews
> Sent: Friday, April 28, 2017 10:50 AM
> To: af@afmug.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] installer hire / training process.
>
> Power corru
on the moon, which led to the internet.
Simple.
-Original Message- From: Robert Andrews
Sent: Friday, April 28, 2017 10:50 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] installer hire / training process.
Power corrupts, absolute power corrupts absolutely... It goes both
ways and always
That was a good one, I bought the book too.
-Original Message-
From: Dan Petermann
Sent: Friday, April 28, 2017 11:09 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] installer hire / training process.
That reminds me of the old TV show, Connections.
I loved that show and it ended way too
hire / training process.
Yeah, that guy is looking for a job in central TX
-Original Message-
From: Jim Bouse [Brazos WiFi]
Sent: Friday, April 28, 2017 11:06 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] installer hire / training process.
Well, the guy that I mentioned earlier is no longer
Yeah, that guy is looking for a job in central TX
-Original Message-
From: Jim Bouse [Brazos WiFi]
Sent: Friday, April 28, 2017 11:06 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] installer hire / training process.
Well, the guy that I mentioned earlier is no longer an issue.
He
nce and
> industry. Probably some NASA guys in there.
>
> So, shoot an employee and get men on the moon, which led to the internet.
>
> Simple.
>
> -Original Message- From: Robert Andrews
> Sent: Friday, April 28, 2017 10:50 AM
> To: af@afmug.com
> Subject: Re: [AF
Well, the guy that I mentioned earlier is no longer an issue.
He decided, on his own, to climb a customer tower without training, proper
equipment, or instruction yesterday.
Had to let him go.
Apparently, the instructions of: "Nobody climbs towers except me and Chris" was
unclear.
So
and industry. Probably some NASA guys in there.
So, shoot an employee and get men on the moon, which led to the internet.
Simple.
-Original Message-
From: Robert Andrews
Sent: Friday, April 28, 2017 10:50 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] installer hire / training process
Power corrupts, absolute power corrupts absolutely... It goes both
ways and always will..But rarely have union employees had crews
shoot management.. Back in the 1910-1920 era, that was _not_ true the
other way around...Now there were cases of unions shooting their OWN
people to
feel like now they've
> got it made and it's still not enough for them.
>
>
>
>
> ------ Original Message --
> From: ch...@wbmfg.com
> To: af@afmug.com
> Sent: 4/28/2017 11:30:19 AM
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] installer hire / training process.
>
> >I was kinda a
-
From: ch...@wbmfg.com
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: 4/28/2017 11:30:19 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] installer hire / training process.
I was kinda almost union once. Worked for UPS as a seasonal sorter truck
loader in their PDX hub. Couple of teamsters came in the truck I was loading.
Threatened me that if I di
@afmug.com
Sent: 4/28/2017 11:30:19 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] installer hire / training process.
I was kinda almost union once. Worked for UPS as a seasonal sorter
truck loader in their PDX hub. Couple of teamsters came in the truck I
was loading. Threatened me that if I did not join the union I w
and then left.
That was my last day last shift. And I have NEVER given to united way since.
From: Jerry Head
Sent: Friday, April 28, 2017 8:27 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] installer hire / training process.
You clearly are non-union.
On 4/24/2017 8:57 AM, Chuck McCown wrote:
Well
they are on the clock
and they need to work efficiently.
It is not unreasonable at all to expect some hustle. I don’t pay
anyone to take their time.
*From:* Timothy Steele
*Sent:* Monday, April 24, 2017 7:53 AM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] installer hire / training process.
If you treat your
. I don’t
pay anyone to take their time.
*From:* Timothy Steele
*Sent:* Monday, April 24, 2017 7:53 AM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] installer hire / training process.
If you treat your employees like crap like that there going to
star
: [AFMUG] installer hire / training process.
If you treat your employees like crap like that there going to start
looking for a new boss I know if I was walking to the house and you
told me to run I would quit on the spot if that's what you want then
go for it
On Mon, Apr 24, 2017, 9:43 AM Chuck
he meeting, but was feeling a bit sporting that day.
>
> From: CBB - Jay Fuller <>
> Sent: Tuesday, April 25, 2017 3:22 AM
> To: <>af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] installer hire / training process.
>
>
>
> I've always enjoyed
- Jay Fuller
Sent: Tuesday, April 25, 2017 3:22 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] installer hire / training process.
I've always enjoyed hearing about the competition type programs at WISPA shows.
Layne Sisk has one at Serverplus and some of the larger WISPS have them. I
wish we had
AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] installer hire / training process.
It’s interesting reading responses, definitely two different cultures. I was
raised in the midst of both really, luckily I stuck to the former, not the
current, and therefor to me hustle makes sense. It’s about
PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] installer hire / training process.
OK. First I have to admit I did not read the enormous number of posts the
original email elicited. Having said that and at the risk of saying exactly
what someone else has already illustrated, I will boil it down to options
I've always enjoyed hearing about the competition type programs at WISPA shows.
Layne Sisk has one at Serverplus and some of the larger WISPS have them. I
wish we had enough employees to do something like that. We have 3 or 4
installers now but they work as teams (or alone), so it isn't
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] installer hire / training process.
It’s interesting reading responses, definitely two different cultures. I was
raised in the midst of both really, luckily I stuck to the former, not the
current, and therefor to me hustle makes sense. It’s about having
, 2017 10:17 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] installer hire / training process.
It’s interesting reading responses, definitely two different cultures. I was
raised in the midst of both really, luckily I stuck to the former, not the
current, and therefor to me hustle makes sense. It’s about having
, April 24, 2017 10:44 AM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] installer hire / training process.
I'm 37. So I'm a grumpy old man only in spirit.
In a younger group of employees, we can identify some who are going to
be successful, and we can see some who are going to end up living with
Mom
hat melt at harsh words or unkind
>> thoughts or ideas they don’t like.
>>
>> Is it just different names or are the actually youth getting physically
>> lazier?
>>
>> *From:* Adam Moffett
>> *Sent:* Monday, April 24, 2017 10:44 AM
>> *To:* af@af
words or unkind
> thoughts or ideas they don’t like.
>
> Is it just different names or are the actually youth getting physically
> lazier?
>
> *From:* Adam Moffett
> *Sent:* Monday, April 24, 2017 10:44 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] installer hire / training proces
I probably would too, but my HUGE hands would save me.
-Original Message-
From: Jay Weekley
Sent: Monday, April 24, 2017 12:03 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] installer hire / training process.
I would break an ankle if I ran on uneven ground long enough unless I
had my
words or unkind
thoughts or ideas they don’t like.
Is it just different names or are the actually youth getting physically lazier?
From: Adam Moffett
Sent: Monday, April 24, 2017 10:44 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] installer hire / training process.
I'm 37. So I'm a grumpy old man
ay, April 24, 2017 9:04 AM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] installer hire / training process.
Am soldier, no longer enlisted.
No one is dying by not having internet, but they could die in a
ladder accident or cordless drill accident or by sliding on ice
and bashin
--
> From: "Josh Luthman" <j...@imaginenetworksllc.com>
> To: "af@afmug.com" <af@afmug.com>
> Sent: 4/24/2017 11:55:13 AM
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] installer hire / training process.
>
> "First fast, hire slow" -Travis Johnson
>
>
>
ft towards productivity. It can't be
measured just by looking at the group of twenty somethings in front of
you.
-- Original Message --
From: "Ben Royer" <operati...@royell.net>
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: 4/24/2017 11:54:50 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] installer hire / tra
I thought it was "hire fast and fire faster"
-- Original Message --
From: "Josh Luthman" <j...@imaginenetworksllc.com>
To: "af@afmug.com" <af@afmug.com>
Sent: 4/24/2017 11:55:13 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] installer hire / training process.
&quo
ound. You cannot let
> it drag on. Cut them lose and move on. I never had regrets after firing
> anyone other than “should have done that about 3 years ago”.
>
> *From:* Ben Royer
> *Sent:* Monday, April 24, 2017 9:17 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] ins
in
our area.
Thank you,
Ben Royer, Operations Manager
Royell Communications, Inc.
217-965-3699 www.royell.net
From: Adam Moffett
Sent: Monday, April 24, 2017 10:36 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] installer hire / training process.
I'm gonna drift a bit now:
I take issue
a slow employee with no sense of urgency. How can anyone
>> defend that?
>>
>>
>> *From:* Josh Reynolds
>> *Sent:* Monday, April 24, 2017 9:04 AM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] installer hire / training process.
>>
>>
al Message --
From: "Ben Royer" <operati...@royell.net>
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: 4/24/2017 11:17:13 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] installer hire / training process.
It’s interesting reading responses, definitely two different cultures.
I was raised in the midst of both really, luck
ve, it is not even
> running. It is a slow employee with no sense of urgency. How can anyone
> defend that?
>
>
> *From:* Josh Reynolds
> *Sent:* Monday, April 24, 2017 9:04 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] installer hire / training process.
>
>
: [AFMUG] installer hire / training process.
It’s interesting reading responses, definitely two different cultures. I was
raised in the midst of both really, luckily I stuck to the former, not the
current, and therefor to me hustle makes sense. It’s about having a sense of
pride for yourself
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] installer hire / training process.
Not saying to rush for the sake of rushing, saying to go fast. Do things
perfectly in the least amount of time possible. That means hustle. Why would
you chose to slowly drag your ass between the truck and the house
Sent: Monday, April 24, 2017 9:04 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] installer hire / training process.
Am soldier, no longer enlisted.
No one is dying by not having internet, but they could die in a ladder accident
or cordless drill accident or by sliding on ice and bashing their head
ing my own weight.
Tell me to run!
-- Original Message --
From: "Timothy Steele" <timothy.pct...@gmail.com
<mailto:timothy.pct...@gmail.com>>
To: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
Sent: 4/24/2017 9:53:22 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] installer hire / training
On 4/24/17 8:02 AM, Chuck McCown wrote:
I guess if you grow up playing video games in the basement, never
stepping outside to play ball or hike. Getting a doctor's note to avoid
PE classes. Never participating in sports. Never mowing lawns to make
some coin.
I guess you develop an attitude
, April 24, 2017 9:01 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] installer hire / training process.
I wouldn't expect someone to run. But hustling is not running to me.
Hustling is thinking ahead, being prepared, _being efficient_. I am
horrible about keeping my vehicle clean, but I know where
an installer to have
> some spring in their step.
>
> *From:* Chuck McCown
> *Sent:* Monday, April 24, 2017 8:31 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] installer hire / training process.
>
> Not saying to rush for the sake of rushing, saying to go fast. Do things
> p
they are on the clock and
they need to work efficiently.
It is not unreasonable at all to expect some hustle. I don�t pay anyone
to take their time.
*From:* Timothy Steele
*Sent:* Monday, April 24, 2017 7:53 AM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] installer hire / training process.
If you treat your
condescend to give them.
Yeah that will take you far.
-Original Message-
From: Seth Mattinen
Sent: Monday, April 24, 2017 8:51 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] installer hire / training process.
On 4/24/17 7:46 AM, Chuck McCown wrote:
I could be here all day listing jobs
On 4/24/17 7:46 AM, Chuck McCown wrote:
I could be here all day listing jobs that require you to jog/hustle/run.
I do not think it is in any way unreasonable to ask an installer to have
some spring in their step.
It's just the new attitude.
~Seth
"Fast Food worker during lunch"
I can make a Whopper like a boss.
-- Original Message --
From: "Chuck McCown" <ch...@wbmfg.com>
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: 4/24/2017 10:46:07 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] installer hire / training process.
Can you imagine telling your
McCown
Sent: Monday, April 24, 2017 8:31 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] installer hire / training process.
Not saying to rush for the sake of rushing, saying to go fast. Do things
perfectly in the least amount of time possible. That means hustle. Why would
you chose to slowly drag your
you a raise.
But if you were dragging your ass, leaving the shop late, BSing instead of
working I would tell you to ‘hustle” one time...
From: Josh Reynolds
Sent: Monday, April 24, 2017 8:24 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] installer hire / training process.
To tell the truth, I'd
adult. You own their work output when they are on the clock and they
need to work efficiently.
It is not unreasonable at all to expect some hustle. I don’t pay anyone to
take their time.
*From:* Timothy Steele
*Sent:* Monday, April 24, 2017 7:53 AM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] install
it or even came close as far as I know.
From: Adam Moffett
Sent: Monday, April 24, 2017 8:07 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] installer hire / training process.
I'm not an owner, I'm an employee. I hustle because I never want someone to
look at what I'm doing and say, "That Ada
e" <timothy.pct...@gmail.com>
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: 4/24/2017 9:53:22 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] installer hire / training process.
If you treat your employees like crap like that there going to start
looking for a new boss I know if I was walking to the house and you
told me to run I would
at all to expect some hustle. I don’t pay anyone to
take their time.
From: Timothy Steele
Sent: Monday, April 24, 2017 7:53 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] installer hire / training process.
If you treat your employees like crap like that there going to start looking
for a new boss I
ou actually have to tell them, in
> simple and clear terms exactly what you want.
>
>
>
> *From:* Brandon Yuchasz
> *Sent:* Sunday, April 23, 2017 5:37 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* [AFMUG] installer hire / training process.
>
> I was going to type a long PC type post
and clear terms exactly what you want.
From: Brandon Yuchasz
Sent: Sunday, April 23, 2017 5:37 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] installer hire / training process.
I was going to type a long PC type post about this (which I did anyway sorry) .
But instead I am going to just ask how you guys go
do 5 installs. I'm older
> and fatter and out of practice. Just saying it can be done.
>
>
> -- Original Message --
> From: "Brandon Yuchasz" <li...@gogebicrange.net>
> To: af@afmug.com
> Sent: 4/23/2017 7:37:11 PM
> Subject: [AFMUG] inst
.
**I'll grant you I could not get up tomorrow and do 5 installs. I'm
older and fatter and out of practice. Just saying it can be done.
-- Original Message --
From: "Brandon Yuchasz" <li...@gogebicrange.net>
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: 4/23/2017 7:37:11 PM
Subject: [AFMUG
: [AFMUG] installer hire / training process.
Speed comes with practice and experience and a need to be quick.
If you force him to be fast when he's not ready, be prepared to utilize your
insurance carrier and for trips to the hospital.
One of the best installers I ever saw was absolute shit his first 9
Speed comes with practice and experience and a need to be quick.
If you force him to be fast when he's not ready, be prepared to utilize
your insurance carrier and for trips to the hospital.
One of the best installers I ever saw was absolute shit his first 9 months
on the job. Over time he
If it was me, I'd clearly explain the expectations after two months of
employment and let him know that you'll be making a decision in two
weeks. Maybe that will motivate him. If not, don't feel bad about
letting him go.
Honestly, 4-5 hours on an install for a new guy isn't far from normal.
Of Keefe John
Sent: Sunday, April 23, 2017 8:20 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] installer hire / training process.
Nobody will ever be as fast you. You can hope for half as fast.
Keefe
On April 23, 2017 6:54:48 PM CDT, "Jim Bouse [Brazos WiFi]"
<j...@brazoswifi
t;
> Original message
>From: Brandon Yuchasz <li...@gogebicrange.net>
>Date: 4/23/17 6:37 PM (GMT-06:00)
>To: af@afmug.com
>Subject: [AFMUG] installer hire / training process.
>
>I was going to type a long PC type post about this (which I did anyway
>
gebicrange.net>
> Date: 4/23/17 6:37 PM (GMT-06:00)
> To: af@afmug.com
> Subject: [AFMUG] installer hire / training process.
>
> I was going to type a long PC type post about this (which I did anyway
> sorry) . But instead I am going to just ask how you guys go about trying t
Sent via the Samsung Galaxy S7 active, an AT 4G LTE smartphone
Original message
From: Brandon Yuchasz <li...@gogebicrange.net>
Date: 4/23/17 6:37 PM (GMT-06:00)
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] installer hire / training process.
I was going to type a long PC type post
I was going to type a long PC type post about this (which I did anyway
sorry) . But instead I am going to just ask how you guys go about trying to
teach / train a new installer to work faster?
We have a guy right now that was hired to be an installer with other duties
as assigned. He is good
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