Re: [AFMUG] More LTE tradgedy of the commons on 5 GHz..

2015-03-03 Thread Patrick Leary
That's called malicious interference and can and should get you fined and shut down. Further, it is not WISP spectrum and never was. I have never understood the WISP sense of entitlement with unlicensed (free) spectrum, especially given that it is a population that is largely politically

Re: [AFMUG] More LTE tradgedy of the commons on 5 GHz..

2015-03-03 Thread Tim Reichhart
Then Patrick Mobile carriers really have no rights to be start using unlicensed spectrum they pay the big bucks for license spectrum so what gives them rights to enter the unlicensed spectrum? So they can trash the whole or some of the 5ghz spectrum so we wisp cant have anything? Just like I

Re: [AFMUG] More LTE tradgedy of the commons on 5 GHz..

2015-03-03 Thread Patrick Leary
Tim, none of us have to like it but the right they have to use unlicensed spectrum is exactly the same as that which permits you to do so. On Mar 3, 2015 7:52 AM, Tim Reichhart t...@nwohiobb.com wrote: Then Patrick Mobile carriers really have no rights to be start using unlicensed spectrum

Re: [AFMUG] HP buys Aruba

2015-03-03 Thread Travis Johnson
My message makes it official. :) Travis On 3/3/2015 8:03 AM, Josh Luthman wrote: We talked about it yesterday :) Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Mar 3, 2015 9:58 AM, Travis Johnson t...@ida.net mailto:t...@ida.net wrote:

Re: [AFMUG] 60GHz

2015-03-03 Thread Brett A Mansfield
Im trying to avoid expensive licensed links. My customer base is too small for now. If I have to spend money on licensed links for such a small area it wouldn't be much more to just run my own fiber. Thank you, Brett A Mansfield On Mar 3, 2015, at 8:42 AM, Josh Luthman

Re: [AFMUG] 60GHz

2015-03-03 Thread Chuck Hogg
LOL, so true. Regards, Chuck On Tue, Mar 3, 2015 at 10:47 AM, Chuck McCown ch...@wbmfg.com wrote: You never regret running fiber. *From:* Brett A Mansfield br...@silverlakeinternet.com *Sent:* Tuesday, March 03, 2015 8:45 AM *To:* af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] 60GHz Im trying

Re: [AFMUG] Samsung smart TVs

2015-03-03 Thread Rory Conaway
I’ve got 100 senior citizens using Roku. It’s the easiest one but only after you set the channel up on your computer. That’s what hangs up most of them. Rory From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Tuesday, March 3, 2015 8:29 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re:

Re: [AFMUG] 60GHz

2015-03-03 Thread Josh Luthman
The range severely drops when you're getting more beamwidth and sacrificing forward gain. Have you looked at 28 GHz from CTI? I think that sounds like an ideal solution for you. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Tue, Mar 3, 2015

[AFMUG] HP buys Aruba

2015-03-03 Thread Travis Johnson
http://www.firstpost.com/business/biggest-deal-since-autonomy-hp-buy-wi-fi-gear-maker-aruba-networks-2-7-bn-2132659.html Travis

[AFMUG] 60GHz

2015-03-03 Thread Brett A Mansfield
Anyone know if there is any 60GHz PTMP solution out there yet? All of my towers cover less than half a mile so short range 60GHz would be ideal for me. I am competing with fiber and would like to offer similar speeds. Thank you, Brett A Mansfield Silver Lake Internet

Re: [AFMUG] 60GHz

2015-03-03 Thread Chuck McCown
You never regret running fiber. From: Brett A Mansfield Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2015 8:45 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 60GHz Im trying to avoid expensive licensed links. My customer base is too small for now. If I have to spend money on licensed links for such a small area it

Re: [AFMUG] HP buys Aruba

2015-03-03 Thread Josh Luthman
We talked about it yesterday :) Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Mar 3, 2015 9:58 AM, Travis Johnson t...@ida.net wrote: http://www.firstpost.com/business/biggest-deal-since-

Re: [AFMUG] More LTE tradgedy of the commons on 5 GHz..

2015-03-03 Thread David
Exactly, We just have to be more creative on how we deploy and own our sites. Property, Property and Property is going to allow wisps to mitigate certain areas that cause pain from the bigger monsters. Antenna tech has come along way in the last five years and that will be our saving grace. I

Re: [AFMUG] More LTE tradgedy of the commons on 5 GHz..

2015-03-03 Thread Patrick Leary
We love 5.15-5.25 though. So far our customer testing is showing performance very close to our 3.65 due to the low noise floor, and I know you've been reading about how the 3.65 is doing. Patrick Telrad On Tue, Mar 3, 2015 at 10:03 AM, David dmilho...@wletc.com wrote: Agreed but now there

Re: [AFMUG] Samsung smart TVs

2015-03-03 Thread Jeremy
I haven't seen this, and have never had an issue with our Samsung SmartTV. However, we mostly use the Roku, as the interface is much better. On Mon, Mar 2, 2015 at 11:20 PM, Caleb Knauer cknauer.li...@gmail.com wrote: I've seen literally hundreds of Roku's in use in my adventures lately and

Re: [AFMUG] Samsung smart TVs

2015-03-03 Thread Josh Luthman
Really? I thought Roku was the worst interface. My parents inability to use it concurred with that. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Tue, Mar 3, 2015 at 10:27 AM, Jeremy jeremysmi...@gmail.com wrote: I haven't seen this, and

Re: [AFMUG] ::: More LTE tradgedy of the commons on 5 GHz..

2015-03-03 Thread Matt
Interesting. It does say small cell deployments though. https://www.qualcomm.com/invention/technologies/lte/unlicensed https://www.qualcomm.com/news/releases/2015/02/26/qualcomm-extends-lte-unlicensed-spectrum-enhance-mobile-experiences-and If systems like this end up rolling out on cell

Re: [AFMUG] 60GHz

2015-03-03 Thread Chuck McCown
I remember a few years ago Doug Clark was going on about a 24 GHz PTMP system. Seems like he may have actually purchased on. Then there was the ultraviolet light system that required reflection from airborne dust particles. From: Josh Luthman Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2015 8:42 AM To:

Re: [AFMUG] 60GHz

2015-03-03 Thread Chuck McCown
It can be done on the cheap. Rent a trencher. Get the duct. Put the fiber in the duct before laying it in the trench if possible. Lots of slack on both ends. At least 100 feet. Use something the unicam machine for ends rather than fusion splicing or hire someone to do the splicing. Total

Re: [AFMUG] HP buys Aruba

2015-03-03 Thread Gino Villarini
Who’s gonna buy ubnt? Gino A. Villarini President Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. www.aeronetpr.com @aeronetpr From: Travis Johnson t...@ida.netmailto:t...@ida.net Reply-To: af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com Date: Tuesday, March 3, 2015 at 11:17 AM To:

Re: [AFMUG] Best price for att full gig?

2015-03-03 Thread Matt
We use ATT MetroE to get Cogent back to us from Louisville. The MetroE product is priced through FISPA. Essentially, the net is a little less than $4/mb. I assume you are hitting a data center there. Are you getting hit with any cross connect fees etc? Finding data centers are raising

Re: [AFMUG] 60GHz

2015-03-03 Thread Jaime Solorza
Doesn't Elva or whatever they are called sell a 38 Ghz ptmp system Jaime Solorza On Mar 3, 2015 8:46 AM, Chuck McCown ch...@wbmfg.com wrote: I remember a few years ago Doug Clark was going on about a 24 GHz PTMP system. Seems like he may have actually purchased on. Then there was the

Re: [AFMUG] More LTE tradgedy of the commons on 5 GHz..

2015-03-03 Thread Wireless Admin
So we help the Cellular industry by offloading data to WiFi. We help the Cellular Industry by supporting Cellular repeaters that allow customers to use their cell phones in homes and businesses where tower coverage is spotty. Then we get our nuts kicked once they complete their build out and we

Re: [AFMUG] 60GHz

2015-03-03 Thread Brett A Mansfield
Its PTMP, so if I run fiber it would be to the home. In the neighborhood I'm in it's about 400 homes right now. They are on phase 2 of 9. The next 2 phases are high density housing and then the rest are homes to total about 2400 homes. Laying fiber will be easy and cheap for the remaining

Re: [AFMUG] ::: More LTE tradgedy of the commons on 5 GHz..

2015-03-03 Thread Jerry Richardson
Even in a small cell deployment, it's going add a whole bunch of noise in an increasingly overused band. At a minimum this will require WISPs to modify our minimum signal level standards. It will be interesting to see who has more difficulty. They are trying to talk to handsets and are used

Re: [AFMUG] ::: More LTE tradgedy of the commons on 5 GHz..

2015-03-03 Thread Patrick Leary
its meaning interference On Tue, Mar 3, 2015 at 11:50 AM, Patrick Leary patrickleary.af...@gmail.com wrote: LTE has interference mitigation techniques most WISPs are not familiar with. Many are used to gear that performs poorly in its presence. One customer at our training recently explained

Re: [AFMUG] More LTE tradgedy of the commons on 5 GHz..

2015-03-03 Thread David
Yes, I love my 3.65 deployment thus far and not looking back. Steadily moving with more tower growth and more deployments. We have 4 sites scheduled this year to go on and 1 is completed working 2 this next quarter. We are doing a full 3.65 on each site and adding 5Ghz 450 where it makes

Re: [AFMUG] ::: More LTE tradgedy of the commons on 5 GHz..

2015-03-03 Thread Patrick Leary
LTE has interference mitigation techniques most WISPs are not familiar with. Many are used to gear that performs poorly in its presence. One customer at our training recently explained to others how even as the noise got worse, the link chugged right along, staying consistent. It does much better

Re: [AFMUG] More LTE tradgedy of the commons on 5 GHz..

2015-03-03 Thread Patrick Leary
Frankly, it's worse Caleb. The rural broadband allocation of 3.65 GHz is most definitively NOT WISP spectrum, but rather is spectrum WISPs can use for a specific use. That in itself is rare, as the FCC pretends it prefers flexible use rules that allow the market to decide best use. In this

Re: [AFMUG] More LTE tradgedy of the commons on 5 GHz..

2015-03-03 Thread Mike Hammett
Agreed. They get very defensive when they have no right to be. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Patrick Leary patrickleary.af...@gmail.com To: af@afmug.com Sent: Tuesday, March 3, 2015 6:31:28 AM Subject:

Re: [AFMUG] HP buys Aruba

2015-03-03 Thread cjwstudios
Huawei. On Mar 3, 2015 9:52 AM, Gino Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com wrote: Who’s gonna buy ubnt? Gino A. Villarini President Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. www.aeronetpr.com @aeronetpr From: Travis Johnson t...@ida.net Reply-To: af@afmug.com af@afmug.com Date: Tuesday, March

Re: [AFMUG] ::: More LTE tradgedy of the commons on 5 GHz..

2015-03-03 Thread Jerry Richardson
LTE has magic awesome sauce, but then they have been playing in their own ultra-quiet licensed bands listening down below -100 against a background of -150+. Noise for them is -140… We can cope with narrower/beam forming sectors, higher gain at the CPE, etc. GPS sync will be a must for

Re: [AFMUG] More LTE tradgedy of the commons on 5 GHz..

2015-03-03 Thread Peter Kranz
I think the point some are missing is the lesson learned from 900Mhz and smart meters. While 900Mhz is unlicensed spectrum, a single operator has managed to take it over in California to the point where no other user has any chance of using the spectrum for commercial purposes. By this

Re: [AFMUG] More LTE tradgedy of the commons on 5 GHz..

2015-03-03 Thread Jerry Richardson
Yep, lived it. The discussions PGE ended with “Our lawyers say we are in compliance, take it up with them”. OK then…. We managed to keep some links up, but ultimately it relegated 900 to very low density neighborhoods and links that needed to be -65 or better at both ends.

Re: [AFMUG] ::: More LTE tradgedy of the commons on 5 GHz..

2015-03-03 Thread Jerry Richardson
Shit. From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2015 9:03 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] ::: More LTE tradgedy of the commons on 5 GHz.. The handset isn't putting out any power in 5 GHz. 5 GHz is downlink only. - Mike

Re: [AFMUG] More LTE tradgedy of the commons on 5 GHz..

2015-03-03 Thread Jaime Solorza
Here in the border we have to deal with interference on licensed and unlicensed bands from another country! Even our Public Safety system was interfered with and had to be dealt with. Like Gino says, Its part of doing business in these bands! Jaime Solorza Wireless Systems Architect

Re: [AFMUG] HP buys Aruba

2015-03-03 Thread Bill Prince
HP bp part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com On 3/3/2015 8:52 AM, Gino Villarini wrote: Who�s gonna buy ubnt? Gino A. Villarini President Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. www.aeronetpr.com @aeronetpr From: Travis Johnson t...@ida.net mailto:t...@ida.net Reply-To: af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com

Re: [AFMUG] 60GHz

2015-03-03 Thread Mike Hammett
If you bury anything, bury fiber. Do not bury anything else new. No. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Brett A Mansfield br...@silverlakeinternet.com To: af@afmug.com Sent: Tuesday, March 3, 2015 10:47:41 AM

Re: [AFMUG] HP buys Aruba

2015-03-03 Thread Jaime Solorza
Aeronet!!! Jaime Solorza Wireless Systems Architect 915-861-1390 On Tue, Mar 3, 2015 at 9:59 AM, cjwstudios cjwstud...@gmail.com wrote: Huawei. On Mar 3, 2015 9:52 AM, Gino Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com wrote: Who’s gonna buy ubnt? Gino A. Villarini President Aeronet Wireless

Re: [AFMUG] ::: More LTE tradgedy of the commons on 5 GHz..

2015-03-03 Thread Mike Hammett
The handset isn't putting out any power in 5 GHz. 5 GHz is downlink only. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Jerry Richardson je...@richardson.bz To: af@afmug.com Sent: Tuesday, March 3, 2015 10:45:27 AM

Re: [AFMUG] ::: More LTE tradgedy of the commons on 5 GHz..

2015-03-03 Thread Jaime Solorza
I sit on both sides of the fenceWISP and SCADA...many SCADA operators are switching to unlicensed bands to use IP and pass higher data rates that serial radios can't carry. With everything going IP it makes sense. Surveillance cameras and other devices require Ethernet so many are using the

Re: [AFMUG] More LTE tradgedy of the commons on 5 GHz..

2015-03-03 Thread Bill Prince
We have been installing shields ala' silence of the lambs where necessary. Image result for silence of the lambs bp part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com On 3/3/2015 9:05 AM, Jerry Richardson wrote: Yep, lived it. The discussions PGE ended with “Our lawyers say we are in compliance, take it

Re: [AFMUG] More LTE tradgedy of the commons on 5 GHz..

2015-03-03 Thread Mike Hammett
I refuse to use any CMS system of any kind because they're easily exploited. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: David dmilho...@wletc.com To: af@afmug.com Sent: Tuesday, March 3, 2015 11:17:27 AM Subject: Re:

Re: [AFMUG] More LTE tradgedy of the commons on 5 GHz..

2015-03-03 Thread Jerry Richardson
It is. All we can do is plan the best we can and react when no-one else does. From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Jaime Solorza Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2015 9:23 AM To: Animal Farm Subject: Re: [AFMUG] More LTE tradgedy of the commons on 5 GHz.. Here in the border we have

Re: [AFMUG] More LTE tradgedy of the commons on 5 GHz..

2015-03-03 Thread Josh Luthman
Use Chrome? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Tue, Mar 3, 2015 at 1:15 PM, Patrick Leary patrick.le...@telrad.com wrote: I did a full scan today with my Kaspersky. Seems I'm okay, but I don't know s**t about that stuff.

Re: [AFMUG] Samsung smart TVs

2015-03-03 Thread Seth Mattinen
On 3/3/15 12:03, Josh Luthman wrote: But has the interface changed? Yeah, it's been like 7 years. ~Seth

Re: [AFMUG] Samsung smart TVs

2015-03-03 Thread Josh Reynolds
I don't know what it looked like before, but if you google/image roku interface you'll see what it looks like. -- Josh Reynolds CIO, SPITwSPOTS www.spitwspots.com On 03/03/2015 11:03 AM, Josh Luthman wrote: But has the interface changed? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct:

Re: [AFMUG] Samsung smart TVs

2015-03-03 Thread Greg Osborn
Nowhere close to that now. From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2015 3:29 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Samsung smart TVs This is what I remember: http://www5.pcmag.com/media/images/266683-roku-2-xs-interface-menu.jpg

Re: [AFMUG] HP buys Aruba

2015-03-03 Thread Paul McCall
Gino, I followed your investing lead... you proclaimed $ 100 UBNT stock by end of 2014. Can I file my claim for stock under performance directly with you ? LOL Paul :) From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Gino Villarini Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2015 12:37 PM To: af@afmug.com

Re: [AFMUG] Samsung smart TVs

2015-03-03 Thread Rory Conaway
There are two products that we recommend without any hesitation, Roku and Ooma. Never have a problem with either. Rory From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Tuesday, March 3, 2015 1:29 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Samsung smart TVs This is what I

[AFMUG] BIND 9.4.2 SRV records

2015-03-03 Thread That One Guy
we are trying to get these srv record working for office 365 Adding through the web interface doesnt seem to get the format correct Editing the record file doesnt seem to do it either is there something Im missing, like is there somewhere I need to enable srv records, we have never put one in

[AFMUG] Ubiquiti radios with different xm/xw firmware

2015-03-03 Thread Rory Conaway
I know that was some discussion on this and some people said that mixing firmware was a problem, even with 5.5.10. I hadn't seen the problem until about a week ago. Had PowerBridge talking to a Powerbeam talking to a PowerBridge which then link to a another PTP using NS5's and an AP on that

Re: [AFMUG] Cisco Router VLAN

2015-03-03 Thread George Skorup (Cyber Broadcasting)
encapsulation dot1q VLAN_ID native? Unless I'm confused what you're asking for... On 3/4/2015 1:28 AM, Jason McKemie wrote: If I have an incoming VLAN tag that I want to strip on a Cisco router, how would I do so? I've got a sub interface configured on the physical interface where the VLAN

[AFMUG] Cisco Router VLAN

2015-03-03 Thread Jason McKemie
If I have an incoming VLAN tag that I want to strip on a Cisco router, how would I do so? I've got a sub interface configured on the physical interface where the VLAN enters the router, the correct VLAN number, and an IP address on the same network as the device at the other end of the cable

Re: [AFMUG] New feedback

2015-03-03 Thread Stefan Englhardt
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Re: [AFMUG] More LTE tradgedy of the commons on 5 GHz..

2015-03-03 Thread SmarterBroadband
I raised this with the CPUC. Same approach that although the part15 rules allow them to do this, should they because of their position. Monopoly etc.. especially when licensed is available to them for this purpose. The CPUC were not interested. Just quoted part15. From: Af

Re: [AFMUG] More LTE tradgedy of the commons on 5 GHz..

2015-03-03 Thread Gino Villarini
Yeah, stop being cry babies and man up! Gino A. Villarini @gvillarini On Mar 3, 2015, at 1:24 PM, Jaime Solorza losguyswirel...@gmail.commailto:losguyswirel...@gmail.com wrote: Here in the border we have to deal with interference on licensed and unlicensed bands from another country! Even

Re: [AFMUG] New feedback

2015-03-03 Thread Glen Waldrop
Sort of off topic, but what would be the smallest AP we could get? I'm thinking about using this system on a few of my towers to make sure we never leave without a new customer, but I serve a very rural area. I have some towers with 15 clients. Is an omni + GPS sync or narrow channel out of

[AFMUG] New feedback

2015-03-03 Thread Patrick Leary
This is an interesting bit of commentary from one of our new customers. If he wishes to identify himself, he will Patrick Leary M 727.501.3735 [cid:image003.png@01D055D9.2BA82B50]http://mkt2.us/TelrdNet From: Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2015 2:31 AM To: Patrick Leary; Nick Dewar Subject:

Re: [AFMUG] More LTE tradgedy of the commons on 5 GHz..

2015-03-03 Thread Jaime Solorza
I have yet to see a good FHSS radio get knocked off the air be it serial or Ethernet. I can only speak about GE MDS, Freewave, MaXstream MicroHard and CalAMP. Canopy 900MHz is still working in many areas of town even near refinery and water companies MAS farm. TxDOT using MDS and Encom for

Re: [AFMUG] New feedback

2015-03-03 Thread Glen Waldrop
The 15 number comes from rural area. I have some towers that can only hit a few homes. Of those few, some still have OTA TV and rotary phones. They have no need nor want for Internet. Don't get hung up on that. I'm looking at probably 4 of these strategically placed in my network to cover any

Re: [AFMUG] New feedback

2015-03-03 Thread Mike Hammett
Patrick's not here to make friends. He does have a point, though. If a product is revolutionary, you can't look at it the same way everything else. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Glen Waldrop

Re: [AFMUG] BIND 9.4.2 SRV records

2015-03-03 Thread That One Guy
I figured it out, its the stupid office365 portal. everytime i would run a check it had different errors and solutions, like suggesting i remove the NS records because it thought they were MX records (no clue on why) at one point it saw one SRV record, but not the other, which was odd because the

Re: [AFMUG] BIND 9.4.2 SRV records

2015-03-03 Thread Bill Prince
That gawd awful office365 portal gave me heartburn too. I really hate the way they have taken something that should be really simple and hosed up up beyond belief. bp part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com On 3/3/2015 7:37 PM, That One Guy wrote: I figured it out, its the stupid office365 portal.

Re: [AFMUG] About $12k

2015-03-03 Thread That One Guy
so the minimum for a full 360 degree pop and still have near spec performance would realistically start at 36k aside from site incidentals to support the product? On Tue, Mar 3, 2015 at 9:21 PM, Glen Waldrop gwl...@cngwireless.net wrote: That's what I needed to know. - Original

Re: [AFMUG] New feedback

2015-03-03 Thread Patrick Leary
Well, I'd say most of my friends are WISPs or in this business at this point. One day I'll fire up an RV and do a 50 state tour, only staying on the property of my WISP friends. I'd love it. I have LOTS of long time friends in this space, but they tend to be as blunt as I am. Patrick Leary M

Re: [AFMUG] New feedback

2015-03-03 Thread Glen Waldrop
Tree density is seriously mixed. Some places it is ridiculous, 100+ year growth, old forests. Nearly half of my coverage area is over farmland (beef, catfish) so those places are usually an easy shot. The truly irritating thing about wireless in this area is cedar trees. There won't be one

Re: [AFMUG] New feedback

2015-03-03 Thread Ken Hohhof
Population density is very low in some rural areas. New construction has been pretty much nada, with the housing bust and wind farms, no new subdivisions, no farmettes. The only houses are where farmhouses or 1 room schoolhouses used to stand. Then factor in you just can’t achieve 100%

Re: [AFMUG] About $12k

2015-03-03 Thread Jason McKemie
Is the 50 user limit just a guideline or a software limitation? On Tuesday, March 3, 2015, Patrick Leary patrick.le...@telrad.com wrote: One BTS, included embedded EPC with MAC level authentication (cheapest option) supporting up to 50 clients. Antenna could be swapped for any other. NOTE:

Re: [AFMUG] About $12k

2015-03-03 Thread Jason McKemie
Never mind, I see that now. How much is the 50 user license? On Tuesday, March 3, 2015, Jason McKemie j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com wrote: Is the 50 user limit just a guideline or a software limitation? On Tuesday, March 3, 2015, Patrick Leary patrick.le...@telrad.com

Re: [AFMUG] New feedback

2015-03-03 Thread TJ Trout
Patrick, I think I asked 2 or 3 times, and maybe it's my fault and I missed your reply, but what are the costs besides the radio and the antenna? Remember guys this isn't a pmp450 or rocket m5, there is a bunch of software and hardware on the backend that must be in place before a customer can

[AFMUG] Telrad LTE Webinar -- The Full Monty for the AFMUG

2015-03-03 Thread Patrick Leary
When: Thursday, March 05, 2015 2:00 PM-3:30 PM (UTC-05:00) Eastern Time (US Canada). Where: via link below AND call in number Note: The GMT offset above does not reflect daylight saving time adjustments. *~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~* ...If you dareHell, if I dare. I have room for 100. No holds

Re: [AFMUG] New feedback

2015-03-03 Thread John Woodfield
Maybe. My time is tight. I think we last spoke when you were at Alvarion and we had acquired the old Friend.ly network... John Woodfield, President Delmarva WiFi Inc. 410-870-WiFi -Original Message-From: "Patrick Leary" patrick.le...@telrad.comSent: Tuesday, March 3, 2015 9:08pmTo:

Re: [AFMUG] About $12k

2015-03-03 Thread Patrick Leary
We use those 65 degrees even in a 3 sector arrangement. We have all the hard data from the field that shows you gain nothing from using 90s or 120s over the 65s, and in fact you lose isolation and power density. Patrick Leary M 727.501.3735

Re: [AFMUG] New feedback

2015-03-03 Thread Patrick Leary
I'll call you tomorrow John. Patrick Leary M 727.501.3735 [cid:image001.png@01D0560C.1758B470]http://mkt2.us/TelrdNet From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of John Woodfield Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2015 10:14 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] New feedback Maybe. My time

Re: [AFMUG] About $12k

2015-03-03 Thread Patrick Leary
Re-use of 1 is possible. Patrick Leary M 727.501.3735 [cid:image001.png@01D0560D.185BD720]http://mkt2.us/TelrdNet From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Jason McKemie Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2015 11:20 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] About $12k Is there frequency

Re: [AFMUG] About $12k

2015-03-03 Thread Patrick Leary
Not that I understand. I doubt we'll see much of that though in 3.65. I expect the norm to be re-use of 2. Patrick Leary M 727.501.3735 [cid:image001.png@01D0560E.BB213170]http://mkt2.us/TelrdNet From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Jason McKemie Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2015

Re: [AFMUG] About $12k

2015-03-03 Thread Patrick Leary
Yes, that is correct. And right now I cannot them in stock. Patrick Leary M 727.501.3735 [cid:image001.png@01D055F7.8F916D20]http://mkt2.us/TelrdNet From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2015 9:19 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG]

Re: [AFMUG] About $12k

2015-03-03 Thread Jason McKemie
Which base station are you quoting, and what are the basic differences between the models? On Tuesday, March 3, 2015, Patrick Leary patrick.le...@telrad.com wrote: Think of all the EPC options (and there are 3 forms) as shells: 1 is an shell embedded as a piece of software inside EACH

Re: [AFMUG] About $12k

2015-03-03 Thread Mike Hammett
3x 65s for 360* coverage. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Jason McKemie j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com To: af@afmug.com Sent: Tuesday, March 3, 2015 9:07:51 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] About $12k Is there a

Re: [AFMUG] About $12k

2015-03-03 Thread Glen Waldrop
That's what I needed to know. - Original Message - From: Patrick Leary To: af@afmug.com Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2015 8:16 PM Subject: [AFMUG] About $12k One BTS, included embedded EPC with MAC level authentication (cheapest option) supporting up to 50 clients. Antenna

Re: [AFMUG] BIND 9.4.2 SRV records

2015-03-03 Thread Steve Utick
Not sure on the GUI, as I've never used it. We do have this set up for a couple of customers though, and the following is what's in the zone file for them: _sip._tls IN SRV 100 1 443 sipdir.online.lync.com. _sipfederationtls._tcp IN SRV 100 1 5061

Re: [AFMUG] New feedback

2015-03-03 Thread Jason McKemie
If being the operative term. Until I personally test it, or I hear from other regulars on this list that are using it, it's pie in the sky to me. I'm not closed off to the idea, just skeptical for obvious reasons. On Tuesday, March 3, 2015, Mike Hammett af...@ics-il.net wrote: Patrick's not

Re: [AFMUG] About $12k

2015-03-03 Thread TJ Trout
The sauce better be really really good with all of those licenses. Seems like u have a license for just about everything ? :) On Mar 3, 2015 8:20 PM, Jason McKemie j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com wrote: Is there frequency re-use with a 3 BTS setup? If there is re-use, what's the penalty? On

Re: [AFMUG] New feedback

2015-03-03 Thread Mike Hammett
The people here don't get out much. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Jason McKemie j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com To: af@afmug.com Sent: Tuesday, March 3, 2015 10:25:50 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] New feedback

Re: [AFMUG] About $12k

2015-03-03 Thread Patrick Leary
tomorrow I'll post a 3 BTS arrangement. Do remember, I am not talking about any sort of scale but onesy twosy. Patrick Leary M 727.501.3735 [cid:image001.png@01D0560C.C5AA4110]http://mkt2.us/TelrdNet From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of That One Guy Sent: Tuesday, March 03,

Re: [AFMUG] New feedback

2015-03-03 Thread Josh Luthman
Probably 20k to start. Quality over quantity. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Mar 3, 2015 8:56 PM, John Woodfield john.woodfi...@jwcn.biz wrote: Patrick, I haven't had time to read through all this emails. Can you summarize

Re: [AFMUG] About $12k

2015-03-03 Thread Patrick Leary
No user limit, just the EPC limit in that form (embedded EPC). I can license those in 50 to 500 user increments. For a centralized EPC, we have 2 gig versions with 1000 user licenses (and a switch w/12 gigE ports and 2 SFPs), and those are hot stackable. Patrick Leary M 727.501.3735

Re: [AFMUG] About $12k

2015-03-03 Thread Josh Luthman
Cannot keep them in stock? Which one? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Mar 3, 2015 9:20 PM, Patrick Leary patrick.le...@telrad.com wrote: Yes, that is correct. And right now I cannot them in stock. *Patrick Leary* *M*

Re: [AFMUG] New feedback

2015-03-03 Thread Patrick Leary
I certainly know that area well. I lived in GA for 10 years and did lots of work in my fiber days around Tuscaloosa (and pretty much everywhere else in the south). Patrick Leary M 727.501.3735 [cid:image001.png@01D05612.0EF483D0]http://mkt2.us/TelrdNet From: Af

Re: [AFMUG] New feedback

2015-03-03 Thread Jaime Solorza
1+ Jaime Solorza On Mar 3, 2015 7:08 PM, Patrick Leary patrick.le...@telrad.com wrote: Have not heard Delmarva in a while. I grew up in No VA. The run out east toward OC was a rite of passage...and my first ticket. Damned tricky MD state troopers; they used to run 18 wheelers. If I do

Re: [AFMUG] About $12k

2015-03-03 Thread Josh Luthman
That's one antenna and no CPEs! Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Mar 3, 2015 9:16 PM, Patrick Leary patrick.le...@telrad.com wrote: One BTS, included embedded EPC with MAC level authentication (cheapest option) supporting up to

Re: [AFMUG] About $12k

2015-03-03 Thread Patrick Leary
Think of all the EPC options (and there are 3 forms) as shells: 1 is an shell embedded as a piece of software inside EACH BTS...a total one box solution (we can do that since we are a SDR). 1 is a shell that's a small (1/2U) appliance supporting up to 10k subs and 2 gigs. These are stackable

Re: [AFMUG] Telrad LTE Webinar -- The Full Monty for the AFMUG

2015-03-03 Thread Jaime Solorza
Damn. I will be on tower if radio is bad or on drive back to El Paso on Thursday afternoon . Next time Jaime Solorza On Mar 3, 2015 7:25 PM, Patrick Leary patrick.le...@telrad.com wrote: When: Thursday, March 05, 2015 2:00 PM-3:30 PM (UTC-05:00) Eastern Time (US Canada). Where: via link

Re: [AFMUG] About $12k

2015-03-03 Thread That One Guy
is this msrp pricing with potential of vendor discounts or is it a hard set price? On Tue, Mar 3, 2015 at 10:04 PM, That One Guy thatoneguyst...@gmail.com wrote: so the minimum for a full 360 degree pop and still have near spec performance would realistically start at 36k aside from site

Re: [AFMUG] New feedback

2015-03-03 Thread Patrick Leary
I suspect you could pull off omnis then. How's the tree density? Patrick Leary M 727.501.3735 [cid:image001.png@01D0560C.3C21D1B0]http://mkt2.us/TelrdNet From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Glen Waldrop Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2015 10:19 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re:

Re: [AFMUG] New feedback

2015-03-03 Thread Patrick Leary
No, could be much less. Give me a minute... Patrick Leary M 727.501.3735 [cid:image001.png@01D055F5.E1039040]http://mkt2.us/TelrdNet From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2015 9:05 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] New feedback

Re: [AFMUG] New feedback

2015-03-03 Thread Patrick Leary
That's a tough nut. You need the power, but not the capacity, and it is the power that cost the money. Patrick Leary M 727.501.3735 [cid:image001.png@01D055F4.F443A740]http://mkt2.us/TelrdNet From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of That One Guy Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2015 8:56

Re: [AFMUG] About $12k

2015-03-03 Thread TJ Trout
What is epc? I thought one radio was like 6500 or something ? Where does the other 5500 come from? Antenna and poe? On Mar 3, 2015 6:26 PM, Patrick Leary patrick.le...@telrad.com wrote: No user limit, just the EPC limit in that form (embedded EPC). I can license those in 50 to 500 user

Re: [AFMUG] About $12k

2015-03-03 Thread Patrick Leary
Right now our ramp is so sudden and massive it is taking time to adjust. An exponential increase, literally. We buy components in 90 day cycles. 2 of those cycles back I was quiet as a mouse. I waited until we were closer to LTE. No one, least of me, cares much about WiMAX. Too much to overcome

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