Re: [AFMUG] Tesla solar roof

Chuck what do you think of the upgraded battery? $5,500 [Image] From: Af on behalf of Craig Schmaderer Sent: Friday, October 28, 2016 8:04:11 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: [AFMUG] Tesla solar roof Looks sweet.

Re: [AFMUG] Finding Sales People

OK, so you mean like ccr.net. I’ve had some experience with DSR Global. What a mess. They in turn outsource billing to AT Recently I was contacted by yet a 3rd level of outsourcing that was looking to switch payment to a credit card. They had the customer as AT They seemed amazed when

Re: [AFMUG] Tesla solar roof

True. I wonder how many cycles it will do at that DOD. From: Bill Prince Sent: Saturday, October 29, 2016 9:42 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Tesla solar roof But did you notice that it allows 100% discharge? Doing the same thing with lead acid would require 27,000 watt hours.

Re: [AFMUG] Ammon City fiber

I think that the Rural Electrification Administration (REA, later renamed the RUS) was probably the best government program ever created. You could borrow at 1% or 2%, build a power company or later a telephone company, and serve unserved people. Create businesses that would help other

Re: [AFMUG] Tesla solar roof

5000 watt of inverter is worth $1250. (5500-1250)/13500= 31 cents per watt hour. You guys have posted battery costs of half that. From: Craig Schmaderer Sent: Saturday, October 29, 2016 6:14 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Tesla solar roof Chuck what do you think of the upgraded

Re: [AFMUG] Tesla solar roof

I read somewhere something about the number of cycles, and all I remember was that it could do more than lead acid. I think it was significantly more, but I just don't remember the details. bp On 10/29/2016 8:44 AM, Chuck McCown wrote: True. I wonder how many

Re: [AFMUG] Ammon City fiber

Good thing they didn’t loan people money to build hotels or casinos. From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown Sent: Saturday, October 29, 2016 11:33 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Ammon City fiber I think that the Rural Electrification Administration (REA,

Re: [AFMUG] Ammon City fiber

A loan at sub market rates is a subsidy. The government could have collected more interest in a bond and therefore, lost money. I am not saying there was absolutely zero positive outcome, just that there is always a substantial negative impact as well. No innovation due to a lack of demand being

Re: [AFMUG] OT Cubs

I have a couple friends with season tickets that they have been selling when they couldn't make the games. They're not going for THAT much, still a lot more than I'd pay though. On Friday, October 28, 2016, Bill Prince wrote: > i heard much higher. First game was around

Re: [AFMUG] Ammon City fiber

The RUS did benefit everyone. Lower food prices due to farms and ranches having access to electrical power and communications. The government made money on the loans. That was a benefit to everyone. The telcos and power companies created jobs, commerce, tax revenue. That was a benefit

Re: [AFMUG] Tesla solar roof

About 1.5 time lead acid will do. It's something I am drooling over for my remote sites... But the charging situation is the deal breaker... double conversion in and out of AC... and you have to use their solar If I remember right... On 10/29/2016 08:44 AM, Chuck McCown wrote: True. I

Re: [AFMUG] Finding Sales People

OK, I’ll risk looking foolish. I have no idea what you mean by “CCR”. Assuming you don’t mean the band or the router. From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of That One Guy /sarcasm Sent: Friday, October 28, 2016 11:55 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Finding Sales People

Re: [AFMUG] Tower Cameras

Any worries about warranty, support, or firmware updates not buying from an authorized reseller? I guess for that price difference some risks would be justified. On the other hand, I wouldn’t want to get old stock with the hardcoded passwords. From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On

Re: [AFMUG] Ammon City fiber

Compound question. They open up market to content providers and others that do not own infrastructure in a given area. Similar to the whole CLEC idea 20 years ago. But this time the facility owners are not forced to share, they are going into it with the idea of sharing. Much greater chance

Re: [AFMUG] Tesla solar roof

But did you notice that it allows 100% discharge? Doing the same thing with lead acid would require 27,000 watt hours. Double the cost. bp On 10/29/2016 8:34 AM, Chuck McCown wrote: 5000 watt of inverter is worth $1250. (5500-1250)/13500= 31 cents per watt

Re: [AFMUG] google dns

On the surface it sounds like broken DNSSEC … My first few queries using our name servers failed and then they started returning valid responses that were cached … strange... > On Oct 29, 2016, at 11:40 AM, Bill Prince wrote: > > Not sure what you're talking about.

Re: [AFMUG] Ammon City fiber

Chuck, Do you feel government built/owned last mile open acces dark fiber networks are a detriment to the market and/or compete with private companies? Jared > Sent: Friday, October 28, 2016 at 11:37 PM > From: ch...@wbmfg.com > To: af@afmug.com > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Ammon City fiber > >

Re: [AFMUG] Ammon City fiber

Private money can be as stupid as it wants. On Sat, Oct 29, 2016, 11:48 AM Ken Hohhof wrote: > Good thing they didn’t loan people money to build hotels or casinos. > > > > *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Chuck McCown > *Sent:* Saturday, October 29, 2016

Re: [AFMUG] Tesla solar roof

On 10/28/16 6:04 PM, Craig Schmaderer wrote: Looks sweet. I hope it doesn't cost more than the house. I wonder how they'll handle all the roof penetrations you normally find on a house. ~Seth

Re: [AFMUG] Finding Sales People

A broker that is hired by big companies to find bandwidth places. They sub it out to WISPs, cable companies, etc. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP - Original Message - From: "Ken Hohhof" To:

Re: [AFMUG] Finding Sales People

You will have CALEA and 911 requirements too. From: Adam Moffett Sent: Friday, October 28, 2016 7:27 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Finding Sales People I think the reality is somewhere in between what your boss and Joe are saying. I'm sure it varies somewhat by state too. As a

Re: [AFMUG] google dns

No Ken that's me as well... I skip all the Mikrotik posts Yawn On Oct 29, 2016 9:22 AM, "Ken Hohhof" wrote: > Am I the only one that can’t follow what you are talking about? > > > > *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *David Milholen > *Sent:* Saturday,

Re: [AFMUG] google dns

Not sure what you're talking about. However, I tried the same lookup using google DNS from here and got this result: nslookup wletc.com 8.8.8.8 Server: 8.8.8.8 Address:8.8.8.8#53 ** server can't find wletc.com: NXDOMAIN I then tried it using our internal DNS

Re: [AFMUG] Finding Sales People

And TRS fund and NANP fees. From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown Sent: Saturday, October 29, 2016 10:31 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Finding Sales People You will have CALEA and 911 requirements too. From: Adam Moffett Sent: Friday, October

Re: [AFMUG] google dns

Yes, And I monitor the list of ips it bans. These bans are from our dns server only. If I turn off the rule asc with all DNS server bans then the command functions as normal. Somewhere in that list there is a misbehaving ip asc with the ability to resolve from google dns On 10/28/2016

Re: [AFMUG] Ammon City fiber

I am confused. I don't know why anyone should get government money for not doing something or being unable to compete. Of course once the government gets involved in subsidizing anything it skews the whole market so it's difficult to get them out. That lambeth utopia explanation is a great

Re: [AFMUG] Tesla solar roof

That reminds me, I guess you can get battery packs out of wrecked electric cars for cheap. Saw an article in a magazine about the off gridders going that route. Be great for solar comm sites. From: Bill Prince Sent: Saturday, October 29, 2016 10:10 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG]

Re: [AFMUG] google dns

Same here. My DNS servers as well as AT DNS servers can find you, 8.8.8.8 can’t. I see that your domain has 6 authoritative nameservers listed ns1.wletc.com through ns6.wletc.com. Are you sure that your registrar has put glue records for your nameservers in the parent zone (.com)? To

Re: [AFMUG] Ammon City fiber

I asked the bills in my wallet about this; they seem fairly stupid. Maybe a speech impediment or maybe they just don't hear me? bp On 10/29/2016 9:50 AM, Lewis Bergman wrote: Private money can be as stupid as it wants. On Sat, Oct 29, 2016, 11:48 AM Ken Hohhof

Re: [AFMUG] google dns

That may be.. I really never finished setting dnssec up On 10/29/2016 11:33 AM, Paul Stewart wrote: On the surface it sounds like broken DNSSEC … My first few queries using our name servers failed and then they started returning valid responses that were cached … strange... On Oct 29,

Re: [AFMUG] Ammon City fiber

How much of the first bond is left to pay? Jared   Sent: Saturday, October 29, 2016 at 12:42 AM From: "Roger Timmerman" To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Ammon City fiber As far as the first bond, the cities are covering it for now.  We could be contributing some of

Re: [AFMUG] google dns

Am I the only one that can’t follow what you are talking about? From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of David Milholen Sent: Saturday, October 29, 2016 10:18 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] google dns Yes, And I monitor the list of ips it bans. These bans are from our

Re: [AFMUG] google dns

Yes, all that should be good. I ran a DNSStuff check on it and its all Green. On 10/29/2016 11:27 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote: Same here. My DNS servers as well as AT DNS servers can find you, 8.8.8.8 can’t. I see that your domain has 6 authoritative nameservers listed ns1.wletc.com through

Re: [AFMUG] OT Cubs

Just checked one outlet. Here's some bleacher seats: For a box seat, quite a bit more: bp On 10/29/2016 10:18 AM, Jason McKemie wrote: I have a couple friends with season tickets that they have been selling when they couldn't make the games. They're not going for

Re: [AFMUG] Ammon City fiber

I am reading this wondering how Huntsville Alabama will be proceeding. They say the fiber will go in the ground because "Huntsville Utilities needs it for its own monitoring network". Sure they do - there is a substation on every road, right? They were going to put the fiber in the ground

Re: [AFMUG] OT Cubs

OMG On Sat, Oct 29, 2016, 12:23 PM Bill Prince wrote: > Just checked one outlet. Here's some bleacher seats: > > For a box seat, quite a bit more: > > > bp > > > > On 10/29/2016 10:18 AM, Jason McKemie wrote: > > I have a couple friends with

[AFMUG] Ammon and USF

> In all fairness, we are talking about fairly small projects done by local > governments. It's not like there is a >Big Bad Fiber Network being built by > the Feds. Not yet. > A great hospital might be stretching it, but why should you not have fiber? Because you chose to live in BFE.

Re: [AFMUG] Ammon City fiber

Depends on how confident you are in your market projections. Some would say build the temporary solution to find where the customers are, then build the long term solution. Of course if that were true, the LECs would all be replacing their copper with fiber. You may assume if you build fiber

Re: [AFMUG] Ammon City fiber

Ken Hohhof wrote: > Depends on how confident you are in your market projections. True. However, if we were to spend a trillion dollars on wiring the nation, I think we could spare a few dollars to hire some guys with some applicable skills that could get it right, on average. Internet

Re: [AFMUG] Ammon City fiber

I am getting >80% and it is still growing. -Original Message- From: Ken Hohhof Sent: Saturday, October 29, 2016 4:00 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Ammon City fiber Depends on how confident you are in your market projections. Some would say build the temporary solution to

Re: [AFMUG] Ammon City fiber

That probably makes as much sense as I was trying to say. I think it was "what a great many people deem to be a right" or something like that. On Sat, Oct 29, 2016, 3:04 PM Ken Hohhof wrote: > OK, you need better auto correct. I can’t decipher “dem to be a touchy”. > > > >

Re: [AFMUG] Ammon City fiber

On Sat, Oct 29, 2016, 3:18 PM wrote: > Lewis Bergman wrote: > > I understand the attractiveness of the big government to solve a problem. > In all fairness, we are talking about fairly small projects done by > local governments. It's not like there is a Big Bad Fiber Network

Re: [AFMUG] Ammon City fiber

Bill Prince wrote: > We are now debating this same thing with regard to internet service, and > further whether it should or should not be provided over fiber. > > I sit firmly on the fence on that last one. I'm not. I'm firmly in the NO camp. Fiber is just a tool. There is nothing magical

Re: [AFMUG] Tesla solar roof

I would argue that they may be different, and perhaps incrementally more expensive than lead acid to charge manage. But not double. so perhaps a 27,000 watt-hour charge controller for lead acid is $2000 (pure speculation). The charge controller for a 13,500 watt-hour LI charge controller might

Re: [AFMUG] Ammon City fiber

What's stopping the WISP from using the same government fiber to provide service? They've already got the advantage as they are established and have the customers. Cost to connect, MRC costs while you build to break even, loss of margin and ARPU per customer. But yes, they compete with

Re: [AFMUG] Ammon City fiber

> I'd just like to see how the whole cost structure comes out $5 per MST port (12k MSTs total) $100 per NAP port (2.6k NAPs total) $3500 per bckbone fiber strand Prices are 40% higher for small (<40k) or low density (<80 subs per mile) deployments. Google pays $208k per month.

Re: [AFMUG] Ammon City fiber

Sounds like someone should read Atlas Shrugged > > Why not. If the government wants to help commerce, it should help > commerce. > If they can pay farmers for not farming, they should pay WISPS they injure. > If they wipe out service providers they should be forced to buy them out. > Just like

Re: [AFMUG] Ammon City fiber

Chuck, Thanks for taking the time to reply. > I am not wholly against muni fiber systems in concept. But harm to existing > service providers must be mitigated. A publicly funded fiber network is years in the making. It should not come as a surprise to any local business. WISPs are

Re: [AFMUG] Ammon City fiber

I understand the attractiveness of the big government to solve a problem. It just always that is a fairly poor short term solution and an even worse long term one that always serves to stifle innovationand extend the life of entities that should already be out of business. I live in a rural area

Re: [AFMUG] Ammon City fiber

One issue is cherry picking, if a fiber deployment will only serve the easiest or most lucrative customers, that tells existing providers they should switch to differential pricing where the less desirable customers have to pay more. Or just shut down when the fiber project comes to fruition,

Re: [AFMUG] Ammon City fiber

Funny. I was trying to figure that out too. You beat me to it. I also tend to parse what Lewis is saying based on my feelings about the aggressiveness of his auto correct... bp On 10/29/2016 1:04 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote: OK, you need better auto correct. I can’t

Re: [AFMUG] Ammon City fiber

Ken Hohhof wrote: > One issue is cherry picking, if a fiber deployment will only serve the > easiest or most lucrative customers, > that tells existing providers they should switch to differential pricing > where the less desirable customers > have to pay more. Or just shut down when the

Re: [AFMUG] Ammon and USF

Chuck wrote: >> In all fairness, we are talking about fairly small projects done by local >> governments. It's not like there >> is a Big Bad Fiber Network being built by the Feds. >  > Not yet. You know something I don't know? :) I'm having a hard time believing BBFN would ever get off the

Re: [AFMUG] Ammon City fiber

First, a subsidized rate below market is still cost. Maybe to those who do accounting the way the government does it is zero cost. If the rate you could get us 4% below the bond rate you just subsidized (or spent) 4%. I really don'tunderstand why that is difficult to comprehend. I have seen the

Re: [AFMUG] Ammon City fiber

Lewis Bergman Wrote: > First, a subsidized rate below market is still cost. Who said anything about below market rates? Municipal bond rates are set by the market. > I have seen the size of Comcast. And concatenation uses its own money not > mine. I beg to differ. It's not like Comcast

[AFMUG] Punkin Chunkin

Watching rerun from 2012, but anything to avoid election coverage and ads. OK, just starting 2013 rerun. Website says the competition is Nov. 4-6 this year, to be broadcast on Nov. 26. https://www.punkinchunkin.com/ http://www.sciencechannel.com/tv-shows/punkin-chunkin/

Re: [AFMUG] Ammon City fiber

> Great if I am a provider of services, and then I can come into your area, > compete with you wireless system, using guvmnt provided fiber... What's stopping the WISP from using the same government fiber to provide service? They've already got the advantage as they are established and have

Re: [AFMUG] Ammon City fiber

I am not wholly against muni fiber systems in concept. But harm to existing service providers must be mitigated. They must be allowed to connect for free and be given some kind of pioneers preference such as no MRC marginal costs for the first year or something like that. -Original

Re: [AFMUG] OT. Party Time

"+1' On Oct 29, 2016 4:56 PM, "Jaime Solorza" wrote: > Hola kool kats >

Re: [AFMUG] Ammon City fiber

Lewis Bergman wrote: > Government is rarely small at the level where it competes with an enterprise, > be it local or otherwise.  You are kidding me, right? Have you seen the size of Comcast? > My apologies. Railing  against government as a solution instead of the pariah > it normally

Re: [AFMUG] Ammon City fiber

If big money is being spent, spend it on fiber. He who brings fiber to the home wins the whole game. Been saying that for years. -Original Message- From: fiber...@mail.com Sent: Saturday, October 29, 2016 3:48 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Ammon City fiber Bill Prince

Re: [AFMUG] Ammon City fiber

I'm not disagreeing with you in general, not even much in detail. However, there are some instances of BFE where fiber really isn't the answer. Sometimes it's just better for everyone to put them on satellite or pay them to relocate :) Jared > Sent: Sunday, October 30, 2016 at 12:51 AM >

Re: [AFMUG] Tesla solar roof

So it forwards the argument Chuck proposed; salvage battery packs from electric cars. DC all the way. bp On 10/29/2016 10:35 AM, Robert Andrews wrote: About 1.5 time lead acid will do. It's something I am drooling over for my remote sites... But the charging

Re: [AFMUG] Ammon City fiber

I am kind of thinking the same thing when I hear the big carriers want CBRS to be LTE only. So between the government selling licenses and the big carriers getting additional spectrum for cellular data in big cities, how about somebody take a little of that money and compensate us WISPs who

Re: [AFMUG] Ammon City fiber

OK, you need better auto correct. I can’t decipher “dem to be a touchy”. From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Lewis Bergman Sent: Saturday, October 29, 2016 2:49 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Ammon City fiber I understand the attractiveness of the big government

Re: [AFMUG] Ammon City fiber

Lewis Bergman wrote: > I understand the attractiveness of the big government to solve a problem. In all fairness, we are talking about fairly small projects done by local governments. It's not like there is a Big Bad Fiber Network being built by the Feds. > It just always that is a fairly

Re: [AFMUG] Ammon City fiber

It kind of depends on what the majority of people in the entire country thinks ought to be standard levels of infrastructure. If you live in the country, which things are you willing to not have just because there aren't as many people to distribute the cost for? Certainly street lights

Re: [AFMUG] Ammon City fiber

Long term, the result of the government proving any kind of service and destroying the free-enterprise or a competitive market 1) R reduced or eliminated. Nobody making a profit, nobody investing in R 2) Corruption or excessive cost increases. Unions step in, cronyism, government pensions,

Re: [AFMUG] Ammon City fiber

Rory Conaway wrote: > Long term, the result of the government proving any kind of service and > destroying the free-enterprise or a > competitive market Hold up! Before we take the above as a given, we'll have to establish a few facts. - will government proving *any* kind of service

Re: [AFMUG] Tesla solar roof

But charging Li batteries is nothing like charging lead acid and you need to have the right kind of charger for specific types of Li batteries... That's the issue right now. Otherwise I would be buying Li batteries like Pez... On 10/29/2016 10:47 AM, Bill Prince wrote: So it forwards the

Re: [AFMUG] Ammon City fiber

On Sat, Oct 29, 2016, 5:48 PM wrote: > Lewis Bergman Wrote: > > First, a subsidized rate below market is still cost. > Who said anything about below market rates? Municipal bond rates are set > by the market. > Chuck mentioned 1% rates for RUS. Definitely below market. If

Re: [AFMUG] OT. Party Time

Negra Modelo On Sat, Oct 29, 2016 at 10:27 PM, Jaime Solorza wrote: > Tecate is stronger. > > On Oct 29, 2016 7:01 PM, "Lewis Bergman" wrote: > >> I'm going to have to try Tecate. You sure are all over that stuff. I >> drink XX currently but

Re: [AFMUG] OT. Party Time

John Wesley Hardin grave On Oct 29, 2016 5:06 PM, "Josh Reynolds" wrote: > "+1' > > On Oct 29, 2016 4:56 PM, "Jaime Solorza" > wrote: > >> Hola kool kats >> >

Re: [AFMUG] Tesla solar roof

most of this tesla nonsense i ignore, green liberal puffery but this looks promising, as in really promising and if batteries can fully discharge multiple times the $/kw is way offset I envision a day when all shingles are solar cells. I hate the liberal green puffery on solar because of the

Re: [AFMUG] OT. Party Time

I'm going to have to try Tecate. You sure are all over that stuff. I drink XX currently but you have convinced me. On Sat, Oct 29, 2016, 7:57 PM Jaime Solorza wrote: > Salud > > On Oct 29, 2016 5:57 PM, "Jaime Solorza" > wrote: > > John

Re: [AFMUG] Tesla solar roof

thats the point, its not additional, consolidating two things into one. Not a fan of regulation, but considering some of the roof repairs ive done coming in after a shoddy crafstman, I would hope some serious safety regs go into play on this stuff On Sat, Oct 29, 2016 at 8:06 PM, Lewis Bergman

Re: [AFMUG] Tesla solar roof

I don't think they would be more expensive, just more finicky... And matching your charge controller cycling/dwell, etc. is much more important for Li than just wet or dry for what we have now. And just getting a Solar charge controller for Li is problematic right now, not even matching

Re: [AFMUG] Tesla solar roof

They look great butit is going to have to compete with both regular shingles and electricity. Pretty tough. Maybe if California mandates it. On Sat, Oct 29, 2016, 7:26 PM That One Guy /sarcasm < thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote: > most of this tesla nonsense i ignore, green liberal puffery > but

Re: [AFMUG] Tesla solar roof

I understand it isn't additional but it is likely to coat now than double of both combined. On Sat, Oct 29, 2016, 8:16 PM That One Guy /sarcasm < thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote: > thats the point, its not additional, consolidating two things into one. > Not a fan of regulation, but considering

Re: [AFMUG] OT. Party Time

Tecate is stronger. On Oct 29, 2016 7:01 PM, "Lewis Bergman" wrote: > I'm going to have to try Tecate. You sure are all over that stuff. I drink > XX currently but you have convinced me. > > On Sat, Oct 29, 2016, 7:57 PM Jaime Solorza >