Re: [AFMUG] SAF CFIP Lumina link aggregation in 2+0 mode vs Mimosa b11

2017-07-25 Thread Mathew Howard
We had a lot of issues with our first B11 link, but after we eventually got the original made in California flakey radios with newer made in China ones, both our links have been working fine. You can get a full gig through a B11 link, but they seem to me a lot less consistent tan a normal licensed

Re: [AFMUG] 6 ghz xlic radio options?

2017-07-25 Thread Mike Hammett
Give me a couple examples formatted like the table and I'll add them. IE: new 10G pricing, a regular licensed radio, etc. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP - Original Message - From: "Stephen Patrick"

Re: [AFMUG] Diplexer question

2017-07-25 Thread Lewis Bergman
I don't know if you care but you definitely be out of compliance with your license as you will be using equipment not certified in that band. While they may work, you really won't have an idea about how a link "should" perform as you are using it out of its tested operational parameters. So, if

Re: [AFMUG] SAF CFIP Lumina link aggregation in 2+0 mode vs Mimosa b11

2017-07-25 Thread Gino A. Villarini
What kind of channels you have available on this path? This would really define the performance you can get out of the B11, which is a hex radio and takes 2x the spectrum to deliver the same capacity as a fdx radio. Have you thought of AF11x? We are getting good results with them. From: Af

Re: [AFMUG] 6 ghz xlic radio options?

2017-07-25 Thread Stephen Patrick
CableFree FOR3 www.cablefree.net/for3 880Mbps full duplex, if you can get a wide channel to operate in. 1024QAM modulation. No "license keys": you get the full capacity and features with no "locked features" or restrictions. That price includes 1ft antennas. 2ft is similar. Best regards

Re: [AFMUG] Diplexer question

2017-07-25 Thread Adair Winter
Lewis, Quiet the interesting and extreme take on this. How is equipment made to operate in the 10.7 to 11.7Ghz band out of compliance? You do realize that band 7 and 8 are SUB-bands of the 11Ghz licensed band right? And that a diplexers is simply a passively tuned filter? You make it seem like we

Re: [AFMUG] 6 ghz xlic radio options?

2017-07-25 Thread Steve Jones
Merca! On Jul 25, 2017 9:16 AM, wrote: > But aren’t those other countries still beating rocks together to make fire? > > I was always told there is the USA and there is jungle and desert > everywhere else. > > *From:* Stephen Patrick > *Sent:* Tuesday, July 25, 2017 8:13 AM >

Re: [AFMUG] 6 ghz xlic radio options?

2017-07-25 Thread chuck
1&2 foot antennas on 6 GHz? Is that even legal? From: Stephen Patrick Sent: Tuesday, July 25, 2017 5:06 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 6 ghz xlic radio options? CableFree FOR3 www.cablefree.net/for3 880Mbps full duplex, if you can get a wide channel to operate in. 1024QAM

Re: [AFMUG] 6 ghz xlic radio options?

2017-07-25 Thread chuck
When I got my Global Entry card, part of the application process was listing all the countries I have been to. The list was surprisingly longer than I would have thought. Over 20 as I recall. That is pretty good for an American. For a European, you do that many while driving to Home Depot.

Re: [AFMUG] 6 ghz xlic radio options?

2017-07-25 Thread Stephen Patrick
"Those other countries" include some of the most civilised places on the planet. Well worth a visit. No need to take your rocks along either ... :) On 25 July 2017 at 15:16, wrote: > But aren’t those other countries still beating rocks together to make fire? > > I was always

Re: [AFMUG] 6 ghz xlic radio options?

2017-07-25 Thread Faisal Imtiaz
1&2 foot antennas on 6 GHz? Is that even legal? Not in the USA (You have to keep in mind that CableFree is a Global Mfg out of UK, I believe they are trying to get up to speed with the USA markets, rules and regulations :) ) Regards. Faisal Imtiaz Snappy Internet & Telecom 7266 SW

Re: [AFMUG] 6 ghz xlic radio options?

2017-07-25 Thread chuck
I will take gifts of beads and combs so they can “comb the dirt from their beards”. (Putin quote). From: Stephen Patrick Sent: Tuesday, July 25, 2017 8:38 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 6 ghz xlic radio options? "Those other countries" include some of the most civilised places on

Re: [AFMUG] 6 ghz xlic radio options?

2017-07-25 Thread Stefan Englhardt
Fire ??? Can you tell me more? On Tue, 25 Jul 2017 14:16:30 + wrote: But aren’t those other countries still beating rocks together to make fire? I was always told there is the USA and there is jungle and desert everywhere else. From: Stephen Patrick Sent: Tuesday,

Re: [AFMUG] 6 ghz xlic radio options?

2017-07-25 Thread Stephen Patrick
We sell in over 70 countries! Some countries, it is allowed Best regards Stephen On 25 July 2017 at 15:09, Faisal Imtiaz wrote: > 1&2 foot antennas on 6 GHz? Is that even legal? > > Not in the USA > > (You have to keep in mind that CableFree is a Global Mfg out

Re: [AFMUG] 6 ghz xlic radio options?

2017-07-25 Thread Faisal Imtiaz
>>> But aren’t those other countries still beating rocks together to make fire? You wish !... Some of those "backward places" make some of the nicer places in the US look like village ! :) Faisal Imtiaz Snappy Internet & Telecom 7266 SW 48 Street Miami, FL 33155 Tel: 305 663 5518

[AFMUG] OT Clear at the airport

2017-07-25 Thread chuck
OK, 100% signed up. Will be testing it in a few hours. It appears I get into an even shorter and more expedited line than the global entry/pre check line. I get an iris scan and go directly to the X ray machine. Same rules as global entry. No showing the boarding pass to the global

Re: [AFMUG] Diplexer question

2017-07-25 Thread Adair Winter
right, good point. it would be an 80mhz channel. On Tue, Jul 25, 2017 at 12:49 AM, Colin Stanners wrote: > How wide is your channel size? You may be more than just 5/15mhz past the > edge. From what I remember most diplexers in that range don't have such a > sharp cutoff

Re: [AFMUG] 6 ghz xlic radio options?

2017-07-25 Thread chuck
But aren’t those other countries still beating rocks together to make fire? I was always told there is the USA and there is jungle and desert everywhere else. From: Stephen Patrick Sent: Tuesday, July 25, 2017 8:13 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 6 ghz xlic radio options? We sell in

Re: [AFMUG] 6 ghz xlic radio options?

2017-07-25 Thread chuck
Only the priests can do it. -Original Message- From: Stefan Englhardt Sent: Tuesday, July 25, 2017 8:51 AM To: af@afmug.com ; ch...@wbmfg.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 6 ghz xlic radio options? Fire ??? Can you tell me more? On Tue, 25 Jul 2017 14:16:30 + wrote: But

Re: [AFMUG] Complaining Employees

2017-07-25 Thread Joe Falaschi
We had a guy like this - on paper the most willing to work and a company man through and through. I feel like we were in your same situation though. Eventually he got in a situation where our hand was forced to let him go. Now that it’s happened we have found employees who are much better

Re: [AFMUG] WISPAPALOOZA2017 and other misc chat

2017-07-25 Thread Larry Smith
Hmm, ok, got signed in via browser, but trying to do setup on phone app (iphone, slack app) and it is asking for the URL of the channel to join -- Larry Smith lesm...@ecsis.net On Sun July 23 2017 18:18, Josh Reynolds wrote: > If anybody is interested, there is a slack channel for >

Re: [AFMUG] OT Clear at the airport

2017-07-25 Thread Sam Lambie
Is this only for Salt Lake or other airports? And how many are involved in the program? On Tue, Jul 25, 2017 at 8:24 AM, wrote: > OK, 100% signed up. Will be testing it in a few hours. > > It appears I get into an even shorter and more expedited line than the > global

Re: [AFMUG] SAF CFIP Lumina link aggregation in 2+0 mode vs Mimosa b11

2017-07-25 Thread Rory Conaway
We get between 360-480Mbps with 40MHz channels. One of the dishes 4’ wasn’t aligned properly so I’m down about 8 dBi from what it should be. Had it right day 1, then climbers went back up the next day and somebody moved the dish by accident to fix a tower peg issue. Didn’t catch it until

Re: [AFMUG] WISPAPALOOZA2017 and other misc chat

2017-07-25 Thread Josh Baird
engineeredonline.slack.com On Tue, Jul 25, 2017 at 8:47 AM, Larry Smith wrote: > Hmm, ok, got signed in via browser, but trying to do setup > on phone app (iphone, slack app) and it is asking for the > URL of the channel to join > > -- > Larry Smith > lesm...@ecsis.net > > On

Re: [AFMUG] OT Clear at the airport

2017-07-25 Thread chuck
https://www.clearme.com/where-we-are From: Sam Lambie Sent: Tuesday, July 25, 2017 9:52 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Clear at the airport Is this only for Salt Lake or other airports? And how many are involved in the program? On Tue, Jul 25, 2017 at 8:24 AM,

Re: [AFMUG] linux help

2017-07-25 Thread Joe Novak
"hold my beer and watch this" not that I have ever done that on a unix system, or anything. Sometimes you just have to not be afraid to rebuild after breaking it... On Mon, Jul 24, 2017 at 2:48 PM, Steve Jones wrote: > I had to use gparted on our production

Re: [AFMUG] Tower Top Grounding discussion

2017-07-25 Thread Paul McCall
Lewis, On option 2, if you are just leasing space on a tower such as Crown Castle, etc., I have doubts that they would allow me to install the 8’ rod at the top and run the 2/0 down the tower. So, would you, just do a 2/0 starting at your equipment area, bond to the tower at that height, and

Re: [AFMUG] OT Clear at the airport

2017-07-25 Thread Forrest Christian (List Account)
If I flew regularly from an airport on the list, I sure would consider this. But with me flying primarily to and from airports not on the list, my nexus membership which gets me both global entry and precheck benefits, along with the eqivalent benefits in Canada seems to be much better suited

Re: [AFMUG] Tower Top Grounding discussion

2017-07-25 Thread George Skorup
We're on a tower that had no air terminal. We'd lose gear occasionally. Owner added an air terminal bonded to the top section. The frequency of lost gear didn't change much. They ran a conductor from the air terminal all the way down to the grid and we haven't lost anything since, ~2 years.

Re: [AFMUG] Tower Top Grounding discussion

2017-07-25 Thread Jaime Solorza
Franklin method proven once again...thanks Ben!!! I have no qualms recommending it to anyone... Jaime Solorza On Jul 25, 2017 11:55 AM, "George Skorup" wrote: We're on a tower that had no air terminal. We'd lose gear occasionally. Owner added an air terminal bonded

Re: [AFMUG] Complaining Employees

2017-07-25 Thread Josh Luthman
Boy is that true. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Tue, Jul 25, 2017 at 12:14 PM, Joe Falaschi wrote: > We had a guy like this - on paper the most willing to work and a company > man through and through. I feel

Re: [AFMUG] WISPAPALOOZA2017 and other misc chat

2017-07-25 Thread Josh Reynolds
Think of it as user friendly irc with tons of integration features for other apps. On Jul 25, 2017 1:14 PM, "Steve Jones" wrote: > forgive my failure as a penrod here, but what is slack, people keep saying > join this slack channel and that. Is it a group instant

Re: [AFMUG] WISPAPALOOZA2017 and other misc chat

2017-07-25 Thread Steve Jones
forgive my failure as a penrod here, but what is slack, people keep saying join this slack channel and that. Is it a group instant messenger or what. I went too look at it but the pictures just look like trillian On Tue, Jul 25, 2017 at 10:49 AM, Josh Baird wrote: >

Re: [AFMUG] WISPAPALOOZA2017 and other misc chat

2017-07-25 Thread Jeremy
I like it! I had to change notification settings to only when I receive a direct message, am mentioned, or a "watched hashtag" comes up.but other than that it seems pretty cool. At first I thought my network had gone bezerk, because my pocket vibrated like thirty times in a one minute span

Re: [AFMUG] WISPAPALOOZA2017 and other misc chat

2017-07-25 Thread Josh Reynolds
Yeah, and you can change it on a per channel basis. You can also have different notifications for different channels (or mute) and you can have different settings between desktop/mobile. On Tue, Jul 25, 2017 at 6:27 PM, Jeremy wrote: > I like it! I had to change

Re: [AFMUG] WISPAPALOOZA2017 and other misc chat

2017-07-25 Thread Jeremy
I also thought it was cool that it recognized that I had installed the app, and sent me an email that it had disabled email notifications, so as to avoid being notified double. Smart stuff is cool. On Tue, Jul 25, 2017 at 5:28 PM, Josh Reynolds wrote: > Yeah, and you can

Re: [AFMUG] OT Clear at the airport

2017-07-25 Thread Jason McKemie
Pretty limited selection of airports, and no O'Hare? On Tuesday, July 25, 2017, wrote: > https://www.clearme.com/where-we-are > > *From:* Sam Lambie > *Sent:* Tuesday, July 25, 2017 9:52 AM > *To:* af@afmug.com > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Clear at the airport > > Is this only

Re: [AFMUG] SAF CFIP Lumina link aggregation in 2+0 mode vs Mimosa b11

2017-07-25 Thread Steve Jones
excluding fade related issues, what kind of throughput do you get at 50 miles? I wish their linkplanner wasn't all buggy On Tue, Jul 25, 2017 at 1:29 AM, Rory Conaway wrote: > I’ve got 3 11GHz Mimosa links up, one at 50 miles. Haven’t had a single > issue with any of

Re: [AFMUG] WISPAPALOOZA2017 and other misc chat

2017-07-25 Thread Faisal Imtiaz
Yes, it is kinda link trillian, but a bit more flexible and sort of a step up :) Faisal Imtiaz Snappy Internet & Telecom 7266 SW 48 Street Miami, FL 33155 Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net > From: "Steve Jones"

Re: [AFMUG] SAF CFIP Lumina link aggregation in 2+0 mode vs Mimosa b11

2017-07-25 Thread Steve Jones
we just got two links in without the antennas yet. I guess we will find out how well they work, these are super short los links. I like the one radio design, I dont like the radio doesnt have a lanyard hook On Tue, Jul 25, 2017 at 10:49 AM, Rory Conaway wrote: > We get

Re: [AFMUG] Tower Top Grounding discussion

2017-07-25 Thread Paul McCall
I believe that will be our starting point, going to an isolated Ground bar. Paul From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Carl Peterson Sent: Tuesday, July 25, 2017 3:05 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Tower Top Grounding discussion At a minimum, I would isolate your ground

Re: [AFMUG] WISPAPALOOZA2017 and other misc chat

2017-07-25 Thread Josh Luthman
Slack is like ICQ. More features but a paint and it's not used as much as others (Google, Skype). Trillian would connect to all three. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Tue, Jul 25, 2017 at 3:19 PM, Faisal Imtiaz

[AFMUG] FW: Tower Top Grounding discussion

2017-07-25 Thread Paul McCall
I believe that will be our starting point, going to an isolated Ground bar and running our own ground wire down the tower. 2/0 gets expensive and 450ft. but so does losing lots of gear  Paul From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Carl Peterson Sent: Tuesday, July 25, 2017 3:05

Re: [AFMUG] Diplexer question

2017-07-25 Thread Carl Peterson
Whatever the cutoff is, you have shifted it 5mhz. Mightwork fine for you but If you are creating out of band noise that would normally be cleaned up by the correct diplexer then you could cause an issue for someone else. If I was in that situation I would make sure that there isn't anyone

Re: [AFMUG] Tower Top Grounding discussion

2017-07-25 Thread Carl Peterson
At a minimum, I would isolate your ground bar from the tower and run your own down conductor and then ground all your mounts and equipment to your ground bar. If that doesn't cut it you could try adding isolation between your mounts ant the tower but I doubt that is really needed. On Tue, Jul

Re: [AFMUG] Diplexer question

2017-07-25 Thread Lewis Bergman
I guess what I am saying is that if you check with Exalt, I am willing to bet that they certified the equipment in each sub band with the diplexers for that band instead of the diplexers that border that band. If they did so, then I doubt very much that the equipment is certified in the

Re: [AFMUG] Managed WiFi question

2017-07-25 Thread Christopher Gray
Josh and Jim, What are you charging for UniFi management? On Mon, Jul 24, 2017 at 6:21 PM, Jim Bouse [Brazos WiFi] wrote: > We do managed WiFi via UniFi. We create a UniFi site and give them access > to change their settings. We retain admin permissions. > > > > > >

Re: [AFMUG] Managed WiFi question

2017-07-25 Thread Josh Reynolds
I don't remember exactly. I think it was $12/mo for up to 3 APs. People didn't even give it a second thought, just signed up. On Jul 25, 2017 9:12 PM, "Christopher Gray" wrote: > Josh and Jim, > > What are you charging for UniFi management? > > > > On Mon, Jul 24,

Re: [AFMUG] OT Clear at the airport

2017-07-25 Thread Sam Lambie
You inspired me to apply for TSA Pre check today. On Tue, Jul 25, 2017 at 12:05 PM, Forrest Christian (List Account) < li...@packetflux.com> wrote: > If I flew regularly from an airport on the list, I sure would consider > this. But with me flying primarily to and from airports not on the

Re: [AFMUG] WISPAPALOOZA2017 and other misc chat

2017-07-25 Thread Matt Hoppes
/leave > On Jul 25, 2017, at 4:56 PM, Josh Reynolds wrote: > > Slack had been around for a few years at most, and may be getting purchased > by Amazon for a few billion if I remember right. > >> On Jul 25, 2017 3:18 PM, "Josh Luthman"

Re: [AFMUG] Tower Top Grounding discussion

2017-07-25 Thread Lewis Bergman
I would doubt if they cared but you definitely would have to take it up with them. On second thought, CC can be pretty stupid so maybe they would. If they don't let you, doing as you described would be as good as you could hope for. On the bonding all part, I would wonder what all these ground

Re: [AFMUG] WISPAPALOOZA2017 and other misc chat

2017-07-25 Thread Josh Reynolds
Slack had been around for a few years at most, and may be getting purchased by Amazon for a few billion if I remember right. On Jul 25, 2017 3:18 PM, "Josh Luthman" wrote: > Slack is like ICQ. More features but a paint and it's not used as much as > others

Re: [AFMUG] SAF CFIP Lumina link aggregation in 2+0 mode vs Mimosa b11

2017-07-25 Thread Rory Conaway
I’ve got 3 11GHz Mimosa links up, one at 50 miles. Haven’t had a single issue with any of them. On my 50 mile link under about 80% load capacity, I get 2-5ms. Rory From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Sean Heskett Sent: Monday, July 24, 2017 8:23 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: