Re: [AFMUG] RodeoTV vs. RealChoice TV

2018-02-25 Thread Adam Moffett 

Sometimes that's easier said than done.

-- Original Message --
From: "Adair Winter" 
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: 2/25/2018 2:24:30 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] RodeoTV vs. RealChoice TV


Matt,
It's not rocket science, move in to a real data center that has decent 
connectivity and you can too can get access to these things.


On Sun, Feb 25, 2018 at 1:04 PM, Matt Hoppes 
 wrote:

  How are people getting direct fiber feeds for $100/month?

Clearly I need to stop by your booth and see what has changed since we 
last talked.


On Feb 25, 2018, at 13:43, Layne Sisk  wrote:


Chuck,
  We should talk.  We have so many more connection points now it 
is pretty easy and cheap to connect to us.  Most connections now are 
between $100 and $600.


-Layne
Sent from my iPhone, so please excuse any misspelled words or 
embarrassing auto-corrects!


On Feb 24, 2018, at 12:29 PM, "ch...@wbmfg.com"  
wrote:


Layne, what is the real world chance of anyone discovering that you 
are transporting to one of use via VPN?


I think the chance is low.
Then if discovered, what is the chance that the programmers will 
care?


When I was working with Dallas, I had quite a few of them agreeing 
to the VPN method.


How about this,  you sell to me, I take delivery in a data center 
very close to you.


Then what I do to transport to the edge server is my business... 
right?


From:Layne Sisk
Sent: Friday, February 23, 2018 10:19 PM
To:af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] RodeoTV vs. RealChoice TV

When they do you won’t be able to resell it, they will just sell it 
to your customers and you won’t make anything.




Layne Sisk

ServerPlus

801.426.8283, ext 102 

 






   



From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett
Sent: Friday, February 23, 2018 6:40 PM
To:af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] RodeoTV vs. RealChoice TV



That's how technology is.

Until DirecTV, Google, Sony, etc. get full line-ups OTT, you're not 
going to find something you can sell that's going to have a full 
line-up.




-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions 
 
 
 


Midwest Internet Exchange 
 
 


The Brothers WISP 






From: "Clint Wiley" 
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Friday, February 23, 2018 6:01:32 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] RodeoTV vs. RealChoice TV

That’s actually a good point. This is a rapidly moving area. I don’t 
want to choose the wrong technology/solution.


Thanks,
_
Clint Wiley
Hagerstown Fiber Internet




On Feb 23, 2018, at 6:23 PM, Mike Hammett  wrote:


The statement of the week...



-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions 
 
 
 


Midwest Internet Exchange 
 
 


The Brothers WISP 






From: "Matt Hoppes" 
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Friday, February 23, 2018 5:04:40 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] RodeoTV vs. RealChoice TV

Maybe. Time will tell.


On Feb 23, 2018, at 17:46, Mike Hammett  wrote:

I think those that go over the public Internet don't have nearly 
the same lineup.




-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions 
 
 
 


Midwest Internet Exchange 
 
 


The Brothers WISP

Re: [AFMUG] RodeoTV vs. RealChoice TV

2018-02-25 Thread Matt Hoppes 
I do. This discussion is skewing. 

We peer in Pittsburgh, Philli and Atlanta  

That doesn’t mean squat. I still have cross connect fees and other fees 
involved. It isn’t as simple or cheap as it’s made out to sound. 

> On Feb 25, 2018, at 15:37, Adair Winter  wrote:
> 
> That really isn't real choice's fault.
> As an ISP you should probably already have a landing point in a data center 
> somewhere.
> 
>> On Sun, Feb 25, 2018 at 2:21 PM, Matt Hoppes 
>>  wrote:
>> Sure. But it doesn’t matter what data center you’re in. You’re not getting a 
>> Gigabit connection back to your NOC for $100/month. 
>> 
>>> On Feb 25, 2018, at 14:24, Adair Winter  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Matt,
>>> It's not rocket science, move in to a real data center that has decent 
>>> connectivity and you can too can get access to these things.
>>> 
 On Sun, Feb 25, 2018 at 1:04 PM, Matt Hoppes 
  wrote:
   How are people getting direct fiber feeds for $100/month?
 
 Clearly I need to stop by your booth and see what has changed since we 
 last talked. 
 
> On Feb 25, 2018, at 13:43, Layne Sisk  wrote:
> 
> Chuck,
>   We should talk.  We have so many more connection points now it is 
> pretty easy and cheap to connect to us.  Most connections now are between 
> $100 and $600.  
> 
> -Layne
> Sent from my iPhone, so please excuse any misspelled words or 
> embarrassing auto-corrects!
> 
> On Feb 24, 2018, at 12:29 PM, "ch...@wbmfg.com"  wrote:
> 
>> Layne, what is the real world chance of anyone discovering that you are 
>> transporting to one of use via VPN?
>>  
>> I think the chance is low. 
>> Then if discovered, what is the chance that the programmers will care?
>>  
>> When I was working with Dallas, I had quite a few of them agreeing to 
>> the VPN method. 
>>  
>> How about this,  you sell to me, I take delivery in a data center very 
>> close to you.
>>  
>> Then what I do to transport to the edge server is my business... 
>> right?
>>  
>> From: Layne Sisk
>> Sent: Friday, February 23, 2018 10:19 PM
>> To: af@afmug.com
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] RodeoTV vs. RealChoice TV
>>  
>> When they do you won’t be able to resell it, they will just sell it to 
>> your customers and you won’t make anything. 
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> Layne Sisk
>> 
>> ServerPlus
>> 
>> 801.426.8283, ext 102
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>   
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett
>> Sent: Friday, February 23, 2018 6:40 PM
>> To: af@afmug.com
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] RodeoTV vs. RealChoice TV
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> That's how technology is.
>> 
>> Until DirecTV, Google, Sony, etc. get full line-ups OTT, you're not 
>> going to find something you can sell that's going to have a full line-up.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> -
>> Mike Hammett
>> Intelligent Computing Solutions
>> 
>> Midwest Internet Exchange
>> 
>> The Brothers WISP
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> From: "Clint Wiley" 
>> To: af@afmug.com
>> Sent: Friday, February 23, 2018 6:01:32 PM
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] RodeoTV vs. RealChoice TV
>> 
>> That’s actually a good point. This is a rapidly moving area. I don’t 
>> want to choose the wrong technology/solution.
>> 
>> Thanks,
>> _
>> Clint Wiley
>> Hagerstown Fiber Internet
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> 
>> On Feb 23, 2018, at 6:23 PM, Mike Hammett  wrote:
>> 
>> The statement of the week...
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> -
>> Mike Hammett
>> Intelligent Computing Solutions
>> 
>> Midwest Internet Exchange
>> 
>> The Brothers WISP
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> From: "Matt Hoppes" 
>> To: af@afmug.com
>> Sent: Friday, February 23, 2018 5:04:40 PM
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] RodeoTV vs. RealChoice TV
>> 
>> Maybe. Time will tell.
>> 
>> 
>> On Feb 23, 2018, at 17:46, Mike Hammett  wrote:
>> 
>> I think those that go over the public Internet don't have nearly the 
>> same lineup.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> -
>> Mike Hammett
>> Intelligent Computing Solutions
>> 
>> Midwest Internet Exchange
>> 
>> The Brothers WISP
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> From: ch...@wbmfg.com
>> To: af@afmug.com
>> Sent: Friday, February 23, 2018 4:16:50 PM
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] RodeoTV vs. RealChoice TV
>> 
>> Well, the are all

Re: [AFMUG] RodeoTV vs. RealChoice TV

2018-02-25 Thread Clint Wiley 
Might not be their fault, but it still adds to the cost and that cost still 
must be justified as part of the analysis for or against using Real Choice.

Thanks,
_
Clint Wiley
Hagerstown Fiber Internet


On Feb 25, 2018, at 3:37 PM, Adair Winter 
> wrote:

That really isn't real choice's fault.
As an ISP you should probably already have a landing point in a data center 
somewhere.

On Sun, Feb 25, 2018 at 2:21 PM, Matt Hoppes 
> 
wrote:
Sure. But it doesn’t matter what data center you’re in. You’re not getting a 
Gigabit connection back to your NOC for $100/month.

On Feb 25, 2018, at 14:24, Adair Winter 
> wrote:

Matt,
It's not rocket science, move in to a real data center that has decent 
connectivity and you can too can get access to these things.

On Sun, Feb 25, 2018 at 1:04 PM, Matt Hoppes 
> 
wrote:
  How are people getting direct fiber feeds for $100/month?

Clearly I need to stop by your booth and see what has changed since we last 
talked.

On Feb 25, 2018, at 13:43, Layne Sisk 
> wrote:

Chuck,
  We should talk.  We have so many more connection points now it is pretty 
easy and cheap to connect to us.  Most connections now are between $100 and 
$600.

-Layne
Sent from my iPhone, so please excuse any misspelled words or embarrassing 
auto-corrects!

On Feb 24, 2018, at 12:29 PM, "ch...@wbmfg.com" 
> wrote:

Layne, what is the real world chance of anyone discovering that you are 
transporting to one of use via VPN?

I think the chance is low.
Then if discovered, what is the chance that the programmers will care?

When I was working with Dallas, I had quite a few of them agreeing to the VPN 
method.

How about this,  you sell to me, I take delivery in a data center very close to 
you.

Then what I do to transport to the edge server is my business... right?

From: Layne Sisk
Sent: Friday, February 23, 2018 10:19 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] RodeoTV vs. RealChoice TV

When they do you won’t be able to resell it, they will just sell it to your 
customers and you won’t make anything.

Layne Sisk
ServerPlus
801.426.8283, ext 102

[http://i.imgur.com/VOz763A.png]
[http://i.imgur.com/xvQYYWa.png]
[http://i.imgur.com/ELG0AB1.png]
   

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett
Sent: Friday, February 23, 2018 6:40 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] RodeoTV vs. RealChoice TV

That's how technology is.

Until DirecTV, Google, Sony, etc. get full line-ups OTT, you're not going to 
find something you can sell that's going to have a full line-up.


-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
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From: "Clint Wiley" 
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Friday, February 23, 2018 6:01:32 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] RodeoTV vs. RealChoice TV

That’s actually a good point. This is a rapidly moving area. I don’t want to 
choose the wrong technology/solution.
Thanks,
_
Clint Wiley
Hagerstown Fiber Internet


On Feb 23, 2018, at 6:23 PM, Mike Hammett  wrote:
The statement of the week...


-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions

Re: [AFMUG] RodeoTV vs. RealChoice TV

2018-02-25 Thread Adair Winter 
That really isn't real choice's fault.
As an ISP you should probably already have a landing point in a data center
somewhere.

On Sun, Feb 25, 2018 at 2:21 PM, Matt Hoppes <
mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net> wrote:

> Sure. But it doesn’t matter what data center you’re in. You’re not getting
> a Gigabit connection back to your NOC for $100/month.
>
> On Feb 25, 2018, at 14:24, Adair Winter 
> wrote:
>
> Matt,
> It's not rocket science, move in to a real data center that has decent
> connectivity and you can too can get access to these things.
>
> On Sun, Feb 25, 2018 at 1:04 PM, Matt Hoppes  rivervalleyinternet.net> wrote:
>
>>   How are people getting direct fiber feeds for $100/month?
>>
>> Clearly I need to stop by your booth and see what has changed since we
>> last talked.
>>
>> On Feb 25, 2018, at 13:43, Layne Sisk  wrote:
>>
>> Chuck,
>>   We should talk.  We have so many more connection points now it is
>> pretty easy and cheap to connect to us.  Most connections now are between
>> $100 and $600.
>>
>> -Layne
>> Sent from my iPhone, so please excuse any misspelled words or
>> embarrassing auto-corrects!
>>
>> On Feb 24, 2018, at 12:29 PM, "ch...@wbmfg.com"  wrote:
>>
>> Layne, what is the real world chance of anyone discovering that you are
>> transporting to one of use via VPN?
>>
>> I think the chance is low.
>> Then if discovered, what is the chance that the programmers will care?
>>
>> When I was working with Dallas, I had quite a few of them agreeing to the
>> VPN method.
>>
>> How about this,  you sell to me, I take delivery in a data center very
>> close to you.
>>
>> Then what I do to transport to the edge server is my business...
>> right?
>>
>> *From:* Layne Sisk
>> *Sent:* Friday, February 23, 2018 10:19 PM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] RodeoTV vs. RealChoice TV
>>
>>
>> When they do you won’t be able to resell it, they will just sell it to
>> your customers and you won’t make anything.
>>
>>
>>
>> Layne Sisk
>>
>> ServerPlus
>>
>> 801.426.8283, ext 102
>>
>>  
>>
>> [image: http://i.imgur.com/VOz763A.png]
>>
>> [image: http://i.imgur.com/xvQYYWa.png]
>> 
>>
>> [image: http://i.imgur.com/ELG0AB1.png]
>> 
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com ] *On
>> Behalf Of *Mike Hammett
>> *Sent:* Friday, February 23, 2018 6:40 PM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] RodeoTV vs. RealChoice TV
>>
>>
>>
>> That's how technology is.
>>
>> Until DirecTV, Google, Sony, etc. get full line-ups OTT, you're not going
>> to find something you can sell that's going to have a full line-up.
>>
>>
>>
>> -
>> Mike Hammett
>> Intelligent Computing Solutions 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Midwest Internet Exchange 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> The Brothers WISP 
>> 
>>
>>
>> 
>> --
>>
>> *From: *"Clint Wiley" 
>> *To: *af@afmug.com
>> *Sent: *Friday, February 23, 2018 6:01:32 PM
>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] RodeoTV vs. RealChoice TV
>>
>> That’s actually a good point. This is a rapidly moving area. I don’t want
>> to choose the wrong technology/solution.
>>
>> Thanks,
>> _
>> Clint Wiley
>> Hagerstown Fiber Internet
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Feb 23, 2018, at 6:23 PM, Mike Hammett  wrote:
>>
>> The statement of the week...
>>
>>
>>
>> -
>> Mike Hammett
>> Intelligent Computing Solutions 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Midwest Internet Exchange 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> The Brothers WISP 
>> 
>>
>>
>> 
>> --
>>
>> *From: *"Matt Hoppes" 
>> *To: *af@afmug.com
>> *Sent: *Friday, February 23, 2018 5:04:40 PM
>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] RodeoTV vs. RealChoice TV
>>
>> Maybe. Time will tell.
>>
>>
>> On Feb 23, 2018, at 17:46, Mike Hammett  wrote:
>>

Re: [AFMUG] RodeoTV vs. RealChoice TV

2018-02-25 Thread Matt Hoppes 
Sure. But it doesn’t matter what data center you’re in. You’re not getting a 
Gigabit connection back to your NOC for $100/month. 

> On Feb 25, 2018, at 14:24, Adair Winter  wrote:
> 
> Matt,
> It's not rocket science, move in to a real data center that has decent 
> connectivity and you can too can get access to these things.
> 
>> On Sun, Feb 25, 2018 at 1:04 PM, Matt Hoppes 
>>  wrote:
>>   How are people getting direct fiber feeds for $100/month?
>> 
>> Clearly I need to stop by your booth and see what has changed since we last 
>> talked. 
>> 
>>> On Feb 25, 2018, at 13:43, Layne Sisk  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Chuck,
>>>   We should talk.  We have so many more connection points now it is 
>>> pretty easy and cheap to connect to us.  Most connections now are between 
>>> $100 and $600.  
>>> 
>>> -Layne
>>> Sent from my iPhone, so please excuse any misspelled words or embarrassing 
>>> auto-corrects!
>>> 
>>> On Feb 24, 2018, at 12:29 PM, "ch...@wbmfg.com"  wrote:
>>> 
 Layne, what is the real world chance of anyone discovering that you are 
 transporting to one of use via VPN?
  
 I think the chance is low. 
 Then if discovered, what is the chance that the programmers will care?
  
 When I was working with Dallas, I had quite a few of them agreeing to the 
 VPN method. 
  
 How about this,  you sell to me, I take delivery in a data center very 
 close to you.
  
 Then what I do to transport to the edge server is my business... right?
  
 From: Layne Sisk
 Sent: Friday, February 23, 2018 10:19 PM
 To: af@afmug.com
 Subject: Re: [AFMUG] RodeoTV vs. RealChoice TV
  
 When they do you won’t be able to resell it, they will just sell it to 
 your customers and you won’t make anything. 
 
  
 
 Layne Sisk
 
 ServerPlus
 
 801.426.8283, ext 102
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
   
 
  
 
 From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett
 Sent: Friday, February 23, 2018 6:40 PM
 To: af@afmug.com
 Subject: Re: [AFMUG] RodeoTV vs. RealChoice TV
 
  
 
 That's how technology is.
 
 Until DirecTV, Google, Sony, etc. get full line-ups OTT, you're not going 
 to find something you can sell that's going to have a full line-up.
 
 
 
 -
 Mike Hammett
 Intelligent Computing Solutions
 
 Midwest Internet Exchange
 
 The Brothers WISP
 
 
 
 
 From: "Clint Wiley" 
 To: af@afmug.com
 Sent: Friday, February 23, 2018 6:01:32 PM
 Subject: Re: [AFMUG] RodeoTV vs. RealChoice TV
 
 That’s actually a good point. This is a rapidly moving area. I don’t want 
 to choose the wrong technology/solution.
 
 Thanks,
 _
 Clint Wiley
 Hagerstown Fiber Internet
 
  
 
 
 On Feb 23, 2018, at 6:23 PM, Mike Hammett  wrote:
 
 The statement of the week...
 
 
 
 -
 Mike Hammett
 Intelligent Computing Solutions
 
 Midwest Internet Exchange
 
 The Brothers WISP
 
 
 
 
 From: "Matt Hoppes" 
 To: af@afmug.com
 Sent: Friday, February 23, 2018 5:04:40 PM
 Subject: Re: [AFMUG] RodeoTV vs. RealChoice TV
 
 Maybe. Time will tell.
 
 
 On Feb 23, 2018, at 17:46, Mike Hammett  wrote:
 
 I think those that go over the public Internet don't have nearly the same 
 lineup.
 
 
 
 -
 Mike Hammett
 Intelligent Computing Solutions
 
 Midwest Internet Exchange
 
 The Brothers WISP
 
 
 
 
 From: ch...@wbmfg.com
 To: af@afmug.com
 Sent: Friday, February 23, 2018 4:16:50 PM
 Subject: Re: [AFMUG] RodeoTV vs. RealChoice TV
 
 Well, the are all allowing all the other streamers to deliver it via the 
 public internet, why not RCTV?
 
 Does not seem fair to discriminate against the smaller companies like this.
 
 -Original Message- 
 From: Clint Wiley
 Sent: Friday, February 23, 2018 3:12 PM
 To: af@afmug.com
 Subject: Re: [AFMUG] RodeoTV vs. RealChoice TV
 
 I agree that a VPN makes plenty of sense. I get why they do it but it adds 
 an expense that may take me a good bit of time to recover.
 
 Thanks,
 _
 
 Clint Wiley
 Hagerstown Fiber Internet
 
 > On Feb 23, 2018, at 4:56 PM, "ch...@wbmfg.com"  wrote:
 >
 > That is not by choice.  The content providers all have a different 
 > tolerance as to how their product is piped around.  RealChoice could 
 > drop

Re: [AFMUG] RodeoTV vs. RealChoice TV

2018-02-25 Thread Mike Hammett 
Might I suggest an entry on PeeringDB.com? There you can list your AS and then 
mark down all of the facilities you're in as well as IXes you are on. 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 




- Original Message -

From: "Chris Fabien"  
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Sunday, February 25, 2018 1:23:36 PM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] RodeoTV vs. RealChoice TV 


Layne can you share a list of connection points to the list? Have you changed 
pricing at all since you and I talked last? 
Thanks 
Chris 




On Sun, Feb 25, 2018 at 1:43 PM, Layne Sisk < la...@serverplus.com > wrote: 



Chuck, 
We should talk. We have so many more connection points now it is pretty easy 
and cheap to connect to us. Most connections now are between $100 and $600. 


-Layne 
Sent from my iPhone, so please excuse any misspelled words or embarrassing 
auto-corrects! 

On Feb 24, 2018, at 12:29 PM, " ch...@wbmfg.com " < ch...@wbmfg.com > wrote: 







Layne, what is the real world chance of anyone discovering that you are 
transporting to one of use via VPN? 

I think the chance is low. 
Then if discovered, what is the chance that the programmers will care? 

When I was working with Dallas, I had quite a few of them agreeing to the VPN 
method. 

How about this, you sell to me, I take delivery in a data center very close to 
you. 

Then what I do to transport to the edge server is my business... right? 




From: Layne Sisk 
Sent: Friday, February 23, 2018 10:19 PM 
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] RodeoTV vs. RealChoice TV 



When they do you won’t be able to resell it, they will just sell it to your 
customers and you won’t make anything. 


Layne Sisk 
ServerPlus 
801.426.8283, ext 102 
 
http://i.imgur.com/VOz763A.png
http://i.imgur.com/xvQYYWa.png
http://i.imgur.com/ELG0AB1.png
  



From: Af [ mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com ] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett 
Sent: Friday, February 23, 2018 6:40 PM 
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] RodeoTV vs. RealChoice TV 


That's how technology is. 

Until DirecTV, Google, Sony, etc. get full line-ups OTT, you're not going to 
find something you can sell that's going to have a full line-up. 



- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 







From: "Clint Wiley" < cl...@hagerstownfiber.com > 
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Friday, February 23, 2018 6:01:32 PM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] RodeoTV vs. RealChoice TV 

That’s actually a good point. This is a rapidly moving area. I don’t want to 
choose the wrong technology/solution. 


Thanks, 
_ 
Clint Wiley 
Hagerstown Fiber Internet 




On Feb 23, 2018, at 6:23 PM, Mike Hammett < af...@ics-il.net > wrote: 






The statement of the week... 



- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 







From: "Matt Hoppes" < mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net > 
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Friday, February 23, 2018 5:04:40 PM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] RodeoTV vs. RealChoice TV 

Maybe. Time will tell. 


On Feb 23, 2018, at 17:46, Mike Hammett < af...@ics-il.net > wrote: 




I think those that go over the public Internet don't have nearly the same 
lineup. 



- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 







From: ch...@wbmfg.com 
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Friday, February 23, 2018 4:16:50 PM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] RodeoTV vs. RealChoice TV 

Well, the are all allowing all the other streamers to deliver it via the 
public internet, why not RCTV? 

Does not seem fair to discriminate against the smaller companies like this. 

-Original Message- 
From: Clint Wiley 
Sent: Friday, February 23, 2018 3:12 PM 
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] RodeoTV vs. RealChoice TV 

I agree that a VPN makes plenty of sense. I get why they do it but it adds 
an expense that may take me a good bit of time to recover. 

Thanks, 
_ 

Clint Wiley 
Hagerstown Fiber Internet 

> On Feb 23, 2018, at 4:56 PM, " ch...@wbmfg.com " < ch...@wbmfg.com > wrote: 
> 
> That is not by choice. The content providers all have a different 
> tolerance as to how their product is piped around. RealChoice could drop 
> it and probably ship the product over the public internet and never get 
> caught, however they risk losing channels if they ever get caught. 
> 
> Not sure what their current deal is, when I was working with them I was 
> trying to get the programmers to allow content via VPN or VLAN over VPN 
> (silly, right) over the public internet. Some of them were OK with it. 
> 
> -Original Message- From: Matt Hoppes 
> Sent: Friday, February 23, 2018 2:46 PM 
> To: af@afmug.com 
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] RodeoTV vs. RealChoice TV 
> 
> RealChoice would be a great option if they would drop their private line 
> requirement. 
> 
>> On Feb 23, 2018, at 15:39, Clint Wiley <

Re: [AFMUG] RodeoTV vs. RealChoice TV

2018-02-25 Thread Darin Steffl 
Matt,

We received a transport quote for 1g ethernet for $400 monthly to real
choice. I'm working to see if I can get it even lower. If you're in any
on-net datacenter there's a good chance the cost is much lower than a year
ago.

On Feb 25, 2018 1:04 PM, "Matt Hoppes" 
wrote:

>   How are people getting direct fiber feeds for $100/month?
>
> Clearly I need to stop by your booth and see what has changed since we
> last talked.
>
> On Feb 25, 2018, at 13:43, Layne Sisk  wrote:
>
> Chuck,
>   We should talk.  We have so many more connection points now it is
> pretty easy and cheap to connect to us.  Most connections now are between
> $100 and $600.
>
> -Layne
> Sent from my iPhone, so please excuse any misspelled words or embarrassing
> auto-corrects!
>
> On Feb 24, 2018, at 12:29 PM, "ch...@wbmfg.com"  wrote:
>
> Layne, what is the real world chance of anyone discovering that you are
> transporting to one of use via VPN?
>
> I think the chance is low.
> Then if discovered, what is the chance that the programmers will care?
>
> When I was working with Dallas, I had quite a few of them agreeing to the
> VPN method.
>
> How about this,  you sell to me, I take delivery in a data center very
> close to you.
>
> Then what I do to transport to the edge server is my business... right?
>
> *From:* Layne Sisk
> *Sent:* Friday, February 23, 2018 10:19 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] RodeoTV vs. RealChoice TV
>
>
> When they do you won’t be able to resell it, they will just sell it to
> your customers and you won’t make anything.
>
>
>
> Layne Sisk
>
> ServerPlus
>
> 801.426.8283, ext 102
>
>  
>
> [image: http://i.imgur.com/VOz763A.png]
>
> [image: http://i.imgur.com/xvQYYWa.png]
> 
>
> [image: http://i.imgur.com/ELG0AB1.png]
> 
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com ] *On
> Behalf Of *Mike Hammett
> *Sent:* Friday, February 23, 2018 6:40 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] RodeoTV vs. RealChoice TV
>
>
>
> That's how technology is.
>
> Until DirecTV, Google, Sony, etc. get full line-ups OTT, you're not going
> to find something you can sell that's going to have a full line-up.
>
>
>
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Midwest Internet Exchange 
> 
> 
> 
> The Brothers WISP 
> 
>
>
> 
> --
>
> *From: *"Clint Wiley" 
> *To: *af@afmug.com
> *Sent: *Friday, February 23, 2018 6:01:32 PM
> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] RodeoTV vs. RealChoice TV
>
> That’s actually a good point. This is a rapidly moving area. I don’t want
> to choose the wrong technology/solution.
>
> Thanks,
> _
> Clint Wiley
> Hagerstown Fiber Internet
>
>
>
>
> On Feb 23, 2018, at 6:23 PM, Mike Hammett  wrote:
>
> The statement of the week...
>
>
>
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Midwest Internet Exchange 
> 
> 
> 
> The Brothers WISP 
> 
>
>
> 
> --
>
> *From: *"Matt Hoppes" 
> *To: *af@afmug.com
> *Sent: *Friday, February 23, 2018 5:04:40 PM
> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] RodeoTV vs. RealChoice TV
>
> Maybe. Time will tell.
>
>
> On Feb 23, 2018, at 17:46, Mike Hammett  wrote:
>
> I think those that go over the public Internet don't have nearly the same
> lineup.
>
>
>
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Midwest Internet Exchange 
> 
>

Re: [AFMUG] RodeoTV vs. RealChoice TV

2018-02-25 Thread Layne Sisk 
Watch for a promo coming from Fusion this month :)

-Layne
Sent from my iPhone, so please excuse any misspelled words or embarrassing 
auto-corrects!

On Feb 25, 2018, at 12:06 PM, Matt Hoppes 
> 
wrote:

  How are people getting direct fiber feeds for $100/month?

Clearly I need to stop by your booth and see what has changed since we last 
talked.

On Feb 25, 2018, at 13:43, Layne Sisk 
> wrote:

Chuck,
  We should talk.  We have so many more connection points now it is pretty 
easy and cheap to connect to us.  Most connections now are between $100 and 
$600.

-Layne
Sent from my iPhone, so please excuse any misspelled words or embarrassing 
auto-corrects!

On Feb 24, 2018, at 12:29 PM, "ch...@wbmfg.com" 
> wrote:

Layne, what is the real world chance of anyone discovering that you are 
transporting to one of use via VPN?

I think the chance is low.
Then if discovered, what is the chance that the programmers will care?

When I was working with Dallas, I had quite a few of them agreeing to the VPN 
method.

How about this,  you sell to me, I take delivery in a data center very close to 
you.

Then what I do to transport to the edge server is my business... right?

From: Layne Sisk
Sent: Friday, February 23, 2018 10:19 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] RodeoTV vs. RealChoice TV

When they do you won’t be able to resell it, they will just sell it to your 
customers and you won’t make anything.

Layne Sisk
ServerPlus
801.426.8283, ext 102

[http://i.imgur.com/VOz763A.png]
[http://i.imgur.com/xvQYYWa.png]
[http://i.imgur.com/ELG0AB1.png]
   

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett
Sent: Friday, February 23, 2018 6:40 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] RodeoTV vs. RealChoice TV

That's how technology is.

Until DirecTV, Google, Sony, etc. get full line-ups OTT, you're not going to 
find something you can sell that's going to have a full line-up.


-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
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From: "Clint Wiley" 
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Friday, February 23, 2018 6:01:32 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] RodeoTV vs. RealChoice TV

That’s actually a good point. This is a rapidly moving area. I don’t want to 
choose the wrong technology/solution.
Thanks,
_
Clint Wiley
Hagerstown Fiber Internet


On Feb 23, 2018, at 6:23 PM, Mike Hammett  wrote:
The statement of the week...


-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
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From: "Matt Hoppes" 
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Friday, February 23, 2018 5:04:40 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] RodeoTV vs. RealChoice TV
Maybe. Time will tell.

On Feb 23, 2018, at

Re: [AFMUG] RodeoTV vs. RealChoice TV

2018-02-25 Thread Adair Winter 
Matt,
It's not rocket science, move in to a real data center that has decent
connectivity and you can too can get access to these things.

On Sun, Feb 25, 2018 at 1:04 PM, Matt Hoppes <
mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net> wrote:

>   How are people getting direct fiber feeds for $100/month?
>
> Clearly I need to stop by your booth and see what has changed since we
> last talked.
>
> On Feb 25, 2018, at 13:43, Layne Sisk  wrote:
>
> Chuck,
>   We should talk.  We have so many more connection points now it is
> pretty easy and cheap to connect to us.  Most connections now are between
> $100 and $600.
>
> -Layne
> Sent from my iPhone, so please excuse any misspelled words or embarrassing
> auto-corrects!
>
> On Feb 24, 2018, at 12:29 PM, "ch...@wbmfg.com"  wrote:
>
> Layne, what is the real world chance of anyone discovering that you are
> transporting to one of use via VPN?
>
> I think the chance is low.
> Then if discovered, what is the chance that the programmers will care?
>
> When I was working with Dallas, I had quite a few of them agreeing to the
> VPN method.
>
> How about this,  you sell to me, I take delivery in a data center very
> close to you.
>
> Then what I do to transport to the edge server is my business... right?
>
> *From:* Layne Sisk
> *Sent:* Friday, February 23, 2018 10:19 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] RodeoTV vs. RealChoice TV
>
>
> When they do you won’t be able to resell it, they will just sell it to
> your customers and you won’t make anything.
>
>
>
> Layne Sisk
>
> ServerPlus
>
> 801.426.8283, ext 102
>
>  
>
> [image: http://i.imgur.com/VOz763A.png]
>
> [image: http://i.imgur.com/xvQYYWa.png]
> 
>
> [image: http://i.imgur.com/ELG0AB1.png]
> 
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com ] *On
> Behalf Of *Mike Hammett
> *Sent:* Friday, February 23, 2018 6:40 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] RodeoTV vs. RealChoice TV
>
>
>
> That's how technology is.
>
> Until DirecTV, Google, Sony, etc. get full line-ups OTT, you're not going
> to find something you can sell that's going to have a full line-up.
>
>
>
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Midwest Internet Exchange 
> 
> 
> 
> The Brothers WISP 
> 
>
>
> 
> --
>
> *From: *"Clint Wiley" 
> *To: *af@afmug.com
> *Sent: *Friday, February 23, 2018 6:01:32 PM
> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] RodeoTV vs. RealChoice TV
>
> That’s actually a good point. This is a rapidly moving area. I don’t want
> to choose the wrong technology/solution.
>
> Thanks,
> _
> Clint Wiley
> Hagerstown Fiber Internet
>
>
>
>
> On Feb 23, 2018, at 6:23 PM, Mike Hammett  wrote:
>
> The statement of the week...
>
>
>
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Midwest Internet Exchange 
> 
> 
> 
> The Brothers WISP 
> 
>
>
> 
> --
>
> *From: *"Matt Hoppes" 
> *To: *af@afmug.com
> *Sent: *Friday, February 23, 2018 5:04:40 PM
> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] RodeoTV vs. RealChoice TV
>
> Maybe. Time will tell.
>
>
> On Feb 23, 2018, at 17:46, Mike Hammett  wrote:
>
> I think those that go over the public Internet don't have nearly the same
> lineup.
>
>
>
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Midwest Internet Exchange 
> 
> 
> 
> The Brothers WISP

Re: [AFMUG] RodeoTV vs. RealChoice TV

2018-02-25 Thread Chris Fabien 
Layne can you share a list of connection points to the list? Have you
changed pricing at all since you and I talked last?
Thanks
Chris


On Sun, Feb 25, 2018 at 1:43 PM, Layne Sisk  wrote:

> Chuck,
>   We should talk.  We have so many more connection points now it is
> pretty easy and cheap to connect to us.  Most connections now are between
> $100 and $600.
>
> -Layne
> Sent from my iPhone, so please excuse any misspelled words or embarrassing
> auto-corrects!
>
> On Feb 24, 2018, at 12:29 PM, "ch...@wbmfg.com"  wrote:
>
> Layne, what is the real world chance of anyone discovering that you are
> transporting to one of use via VPN?
>
> I think the chance is low.
> Then if discovered, what is the chance that the programmers will care?
>
> When I was working with Dallas, I had quite a few of them agreeing to the
> VPN method.
>
> How about this,  you sell to me, I take delivery in a data center very
> close to you.
>
> Then what I do to transport to the edge server is my business... right?
>
> *From:* Layne Sisk
> *Sent:* Friday, February 23, 2018 10:19 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] RodeoTV vs. RealChoice TV
>
>
> When they do you won’t be able to resell it, they will just sell it to
> your customers and you won’t make anything.
>
>
>
> Layne Sisk
>
> ServerPlus
>
> 801.426.8283, ext 102
>
>  
>
> [image: http://i.imgur.com/VOz763A.png]
>
> [image: http://i.imgur.com/xvQYYWa.png]
> 
>
> [image: http://i.imgur.com/ELG0AB1.png]
> 
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com ] *On
> Behalf Of *Mike Hammett
> *Sent:* Friday, February 23, 2018 6:40 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] RodeoTV vs. RealChoice TV
>
>
>
> That's how technology is.
>
> Until DirecTV, Google, Sony, etc. get full line-ups OTT, you're not going
> to find something you can sell that's going to have a full line-up.
>
>
>
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Midwest Internet Exchange 
> 
> 
> 
> The Brothers WISP 
> 
>
>
> 
> --
>
> *From: *"Clint Wiley" 
> *To: *af@afmug.com
> *Sent: *Friday, February 23, 2018 6:01:32 PM
> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] RodeoTV vs. RealChoice TV
>
> That’s actually a good point. This is a rapidly moving area. I don’t want
> to choose the wrong technology/solution.
>
> Thanks,
> _
> Clint Wiley
> Hagerstown Fiber Internet
>
>
>
>
> On Feb 23, 2018, at 6:23 PM, Mike Hammett  wrote:
>
> The statement of the week...
>
>
>
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Midwest Internet Exchange 
> 
> 
> 
> The Brothers WISP 
> 
>
>
> 
> --
>
> *From: *"Matt Hoppes" 
> *To: *af@afmug.com
> *Sent: *Friday, February 23, 2018 5:04:40 PM
> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] RodeoTV vs. RealChoice TV
>
> Maybe. Time will tell.
>
>
> On Feb 23, 2018, at 17:46, Mike Hammett  wrote:
>
> I think those that go over the public Internet don't have nearly the same
> lineup.
>
>
>
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Midwest Internet Exchange 
> 
> 
> 
> The Brothers WISP 
> 
>
>
> 
> --
>
> *From: *ch...@wbmfg.com
> *To: *af@afmug.com
> *Sent: *Friday, February 23,

Re: [AFMUG] RodeoTV vs. RealChoice TV

2018-02-25 Thread Matt Hoppes 
  How are people getting direct fiber feeds for $100/month?

Clearly I need to stop by your booth and see what has changed since we last 
talked. 

> On Feb 25, 2018, at 13:43, Layne Sisk  wrote:
> 
> Chuck,
>   We should talk.  We have so many more connection points now it is 
> pretty easy and cheap to connect to us.  Most connections now are between 
> $100 and $600.  
> 
> -Layne
> Sent from my iPhone, so please excuse any misspelled words or embarrassing 
> auto-corrects!
> 
> On Feb 24, 2018, at 12:29 PM, "ch...@wbmfg.com"  wrote:
> 
>> Layne, what is the real world chance of anyone discovering that you are 
>> transporting to one of use via VPN?
>>  
>> I think the chance is low. 
>> Then if discovered, what is the chance that the programmers will care?
>>  
>> When I was working with Dallas, I had quite a few of them agreeing to the 
>> VPN method. 
>>  
>> How about this,  you sell to me, I take delivery in a data center very close 
>> to you.
>>  
>> Then what I do to transport to the edge server is my business... right?
>>  
>> From: Layne Sisk
>> Sent: Friday, February 23, 2018 10:19 PM
>> To: af@afmug.com
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] RodeoTV vs. RealChoice TV
>>  
>> When they do you won’t be able to resell it, they will just sell it to your 
>> customers and you won’t make anything. 
>>  
>> Layne Sisk
>> ServerPlus
>> 801.426.8283, ext 102
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>   
>>  
>> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett
>> Sent: Friday, February 23, 2018 6:40 PM
>> To: af@afmug.com
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] RodeoTV vs. RealChoice TV
>>  
>> That's how technology is.
>> 
>> Until DirecTV, Google, Sony, etc. get full line-ups OTT, you're not going to 
>> find something you can sell that's going to have a full line-up.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> -
>> Mike Hammett
>> Intelligent Computing Solutions
>> 
>> Midwest Internet Exchange
>> 
>> The Brothers WISP
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> From: "Clint Wiley" 
>> To: af@afmug.com
>> Sent: Friday, February 23, 2018 6:01:32 PM
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] RodeoTV vs. RealChoice TV
>> 
>> That’s actually a good point. This is a rapidly moving area. I don’t want to 
>> choose the wrong technology/solution.
>> 
>> Thanks,
>> _
>> Clint Wiley
>> Hagerstown Fiber Internet
>>  
>> 
>> On Feb 23, 2018, at 6:23 PM, Mike Hammett  wrote:
>> 
>> The statement of the week...
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> -
>> Mike Hammett
>> Intelligent Computing Solutions
>> 
>> Midwest Internet Exchange
>> 
>> The Brothers WISP
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> From: "Matt Hoppes" 
>> To: af@afmug.com
>> Sent: Friday, February 23, 2018 5:04:40 PM
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] RodeoTV vs. RealChoice TV
>> 
>> Maybe. Time will tell.
>> 
>> On Feb 23, 2018, at 17:46, Mike Hammett  wrote:
>> 
>> I think those that go over the public Internet don't have nearly the same 
>> lineup.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> -
>> Mike Hammett
>> Intelligent Computing Solutions
>> 
>> Midwest Internet Exchange
>> 
>> The Brothers WISP
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> From: ch...@wbmfg.com
>> To: af@afmug.com
>> Sent: Friday, February 23, 2018 4:16:50 PM
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] RodeoTV vs. RealChoice TV
>> 
>> Well, the are all allowing all the other streamers to deliver it via the 
>> public internet, why not RCTV?
>> 
>> Does not seem fair to discriminate against the smaller companies like this.
>> 
>> -Original Message- 
>> From: Clint Wiley
>> Sent: Friday, February 23, 2018 3:12 PM
>> To: af@afmug.com
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] RodeoTV vs. RealChoice TV
>> 
>> I agree that a VPN makes plenty of sense. I get why they do it but it adds 
>> an expense that may take me a good bit of time to recover.
>> 
>> Thanks,
>> _
>> 
>> Clint Wiley
>> Hagerstown Fiber Internet
>> 
>> > On Feb 23, 2018, at 4:56 PM, "ch...@wbmfg.com"  wrote:
>> >
>> > That is not by choice.  The content providers all have a different 
>> > tolerance as to how their product is piped around.  RealChoice could drop 
>> > it and probably ship the product over the public internet and never get 
>> > caught, however they risk losing channels if they ever get caught.
>> >
>> > Not sure what their current deal is, when I was working with them I was 
>> > trying to get the programmers to allow content via VPN or VLAN over VPN 
>> > (silly, right)  over the public internet.  Some of them were OK with it.
>> >
>> > -Original Message- From: Matt Hoppes
>> > Sent: Friday, February 23, 2018 2:46 PM
>> > To: af@afmug.com
>> > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] RodeoTV vs. RealChoice TV
>> >
>> > RealChoice would be a great option if they would drop their private line 
>> > requirement.
>> >
>> >> On Feb 23, 2018, at 15:39, Clint Wiley  wrote:
>> >>
>> >> Hi,
>> >>
>> >> I wanted to see if any of you are offering IPTV to your customers. If so, 
>> >> are any of you using either RodeoTV

Re: [AFMUG] RodeoTV vs. RealChoice TV

2018-02-25 Thread Layne Sisk 
Chuck,
  We should talk.  We have so many more connection points now it is pretty 
easy and cheap to connect to us.  Most connections now are between $100 and 
$600.

-Layne
Sent from my iPhone, so please excuse any misspelled words or embarrassing 
auto-corrects!

On Feb 24, 2018, at 12:29 PM, "ch...@wbmfg.com" 
> wrote:

Layne, what is the real world chance of anyone discovering that you are 
transporting to one of use via VPN?

I think the chance is low.
Then if discovered, what is the chance that the programmers will care?

When I was working with Dallas, I had quite a few of them agreeing to the VPN 
method.

How about this,  you sell to me, I take delivery in a data center very close to 
you.

Then what I do to transport to the edge server is my business... right?

From: Layne Sisk
Sent: Friday, February 23, 2018 10:19 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] RodeoTV vs. RealChoice TV

When they do you won’t be able to resell it, they will just sell it to your 
customers and you won’t make anything.

Layne Sisk
ServerPlus
801.426.8283, ext 102

[http://i.imgur.com/VOz763A.png]
[http://i.imgur.com/xvQYYWa.png]
[http://i.imgur.com/ELG0AB1.png]
   

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett
Sent: Friday, February 23, 2018 6:40 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] RodeoTV vs. RealChoice TV

That's how technology is.

Until DirecTV, Google, Sony, etc. get full line-ups OTT, you're not going to 
find something you can sell that's going to have a full line-up.


-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
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Midwest Internet Exchange
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The Brothers WISP
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From: "Clint Wiley" 
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Friday, February 23, 2018 6:01:32 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] RodeoTV vs. RealChoice TV

That’s actually a good point. This is a rapidly moving area. I don’t want to 
choose the wrong technology/solution.
Thanks,
_
Clint Wiley
Hagerstown Fiber Internet


On Feb 23, 2018, at 6:23 PM, Mike Hammett  wrote:
The statement of the week...


-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
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Midwest Internet Exchange
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The Brothers WISP
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From: "Matt Hoppes" 
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Friday, February 23, 2018 5:04:40 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] RodeoTV vs. RealChoice TV
Maybe. Time will tell.

On Feb 23, 2018, at 17:46, Mike Hammett  wrote:
I think those that go over the public Internet don't have nearly the same 
lineup.


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Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions

Re: [AFMUG] OT Timing devices Was: Raspberry PI

2018-02-25 Thread Bill Prince 

Live by the sword. Die by the sword.


bp


On 2/25/2018 8:52 AM, Chuck McCown wrote:

suck...
*From:* Mike Hammett
*Sent:* Sunday, February 25, 2018 9:48 AM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Timing devices Was: Raspberry PI
https://www.timeanddate.com/countdown/launch?iso=20180425T0950=220=Chuck%27s+Timing+Device+Thingy=cursive



-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 





*From: *"Chuck McCown" 
*To: *af@afmug.com
*Sent: *Sunday, February 25, 2018 9:49:15 AM
*Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] OT Timing devices Was: Raspberry PI

Give me a month or two and I may have just what you are looking for
*From:* Mike Hammett
*Sent:* Saturday, February 24, 2018 4:26 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Timing devices Was: Raspberry PI
For those of us less adventurous, what do you guys recommend for boxes 
to do all of this magic for me?


There's a box in place that's supplying supposedly good enough clock, 
but there are alarms on the box and I can't get admin access to the 
box to know why.


There's another in cold storage, but I fear that technical evolution 
is what's passing these guys by and I wouldn't want to invest a bunch 
of time into it only to find out it doesn't work either. These both 
are CDMA models supporting the upper 800 MHz and the PCS bands (CDMA 
bands 0 and 1). My fear is that spectrum refarming has already taken 
away or will soon take away the protocol it's using.


I'm looking for T1 and NTP outputs.

Used is fine. Other than working reliably, the next most important 
thing to me is an easy interface. You don't go in there often (or 
ever), so it's nice to not have to get a manual to figure out how to 
do something.




-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 





*From: *"Mike Hammett" 
*To: *af@afmug.com
*Sent: *Friday, February 23, 2018 7:49:29 AM
*Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] OT Raspberry PI

I'm newly in charge of a Metaswitch environment as well.



-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 





*From: *"Chuck McCown" 
*To: *af@afmug.com
*Sent: *Friday, February 23, 2018 7:48:19 AM
*Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] OT Raspberry PI

Yes, and one would think that Metaswitch would have a 10 MHz input.

Re: [AFMUG] OT Timing devices Was: Raspberry PI

2018-02-25 Thread Chuck McCown 
suck...

From: Mike Hammett 
Sent: Sunday, February 25, 2018 9:48 AM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Timing devices Was: Raspberry PI

https://www.timeanddate.com/countdown/launch?iso=20180425T0950=220=Chuck%27s+Timing+Device+Thingy=cursive




-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions

Midwest Internet Exchange

The Brothers WISP








From: "Chuck McCown" 
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Sunday, February 25, 2018 9:49:15 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Timing devices Was: Raspberry PI


Give me a month or two and I may have just what you are looking for

From: Mike Hammett 
Sent: Saturday, February 24, 2018 4:26 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Timing devices Was: Raspberry PI

For those of us less adventurous, what do you guys recommend for boxes to do 
all of this magic for me?

There's a box in place that's supplying supposedly good enough clock, but there 
are alarms on the box and I can't get admin access to the box to know why.

There's another in cold storage, but I fear that technical evolution is what's 
passing these guys by and I wouldn't want to invest a bunch of time into it 
only to find out it doesn't work either. These both are CDMA models supporting 
the upper 800 MHz and the PCS bands (CDMA bands 0 and 1). My fear is that 
spectrum refarming has already taken away or will soon take away the protocol 
it's using.

I'm looking for T1 and NTP outputs.

Used is fine. Other than working reliably, the next most important thing to me 
is an easy interface. You don't go in there often (or ever), so it's nice to 
not have to get a manual to figure out how to do something.




-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions

Midwest Internet Exchange

The Brothers WISP








From: "Mike Hammett" 
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Friday, February 23, 2018 7:49:29 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Raspberry PI


I'm newly in charge of a Metaswitch environment as well.




-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions

Midwest Internet Exchange

The Brothers WISP








From: "Chuck McCown" 
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Friday, February 23, 2018 7:48:19 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Raspberry PI


Yes, and one would think that Metaswitch would have a 10 MHz input.

Re: [AFMUG] OT Timing devices Was: Raspberry PI

2018-02-25 Thread Mike Hammett 
https://www.timeanddate.com/countdown/launch?iso=20180425T0950=220=Chuck%27s+Timing+Device+Thingy=cursive
 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 




- Original Message -

From: "Chuck McCown"  
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Sunday, February 25, 2018 9:49:15 AM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Timing devices Was: Raspberry PI 




Give me a month or two and I may have just what you are looking for 




From: Mike Hammett 
Sent: Saturday, February 24, 2018 4:26 PM 
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Timing devices Was: Raspberry PI 


For those of us less adventurous, what do you guys recommend for boxes to do 
all of this magic for me? 

There's a box in place that's supplying supposedly good enough clock, but there 
are alarms on the box and I can't get admin access to the box to know why. 

There's another in cold storage, but I fear that technical evolution is what's 
passing these guys by and I wouldn't want to invest a bunch of time into it 
only to find out it doesn't work either. These both are CDMA models supporting 
the upper 800 MHz and the PCS bands (CDMA bands 0 and 1). My fear is that 
spectrum refarming has already taken away or will soon take away the protocol 
it's using. 

I'm looking for T1 and NTP outputs. 

Used is fine. Other than working reliably, the next most important thing to me 
is an easy interface. You don't go in there often (or ever), so it's nice to 
not have to get a manual to figure out how to do something. 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 




- Original Message -

From: "Mike Hammett"  
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Friday, February 23, 2018 7:49:29 AM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Raspberry PI 


I'm newly in charge of a Metaswitch environment as well. 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 




- Original Message -

From: "Chuck McCown"  
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Friday, February 23, 2018 7:48:19 AM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Raspberry PI 




Yes, and one would think that Metaswitch would have a 10 MHz input.

Re: [AFMUG] OT Timing devices Was: Raspberry PI

2018-02-25 Thread Chuck McCown 
Give me a month or two and I may have just what you are looking for

From: Mike Hammett 
Sent: Saturday, February 24, 2018 4:26 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Timing devices Was: Raspberry PI

For those of us less adventurous, what do you guys recommend for boxes to do 
all of this magic for me?

There's a box in place that's supplying supposedly good enough clock, but there 
are alarms on the box and I can't get admin access to the box to know why.

There's another in cold storage, but I fear that technical evolution is what's 
passing these guys by and I wouldn't want to invest a bunch of time into it 
only to find out it doesn't work either. These both are CDMA models supporting 
the upper 800 MHz and the PCS bands (CDMA bands 0 and 1). My fear is that 
spectrum refarming has already taken away or will soon take away the protocol 
it's using.

I'm looking for T1 and NTP outputs.

Used is fine. Other than working reliably, the next most important thing to me 
is an easy interface. You don't go in there often (or ever), so it's nice to 
not have to get a manual to figure out how to do something.




-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions

Midwest Internet Exchange

The Brothers WISP








From: "Mike Hammett" 
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Friday, February 23, 2018 7:49:29 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Raspberry PI


I'm newly in charge of a Metaswitch environment as well.




-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions

Midwest Internet Exchange

The Brothers WISP








From: "Chuck McCown" 
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Friday, February 23, 2018 7:48:19 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Raspberry PI


Yes, and one would think that Metaswitch would have a 10 MHz input.