Re: [AFMUG] POE vs DC and surge supression

Not to go too far off track here, but what DC surge protectors have you used? I priced ones from Calix and they were sort of pricey (>100 each). Josh On Tue, Dec 1, 2015 at 4:29 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote: > I can't speak to R56, but the only experience I have with 48V direct DC >

Re: [AFMUG] Cable loss question

Yes, from the base station to the sectors. Josh Luthman wrote: Is it LMR400 between the sectors and the radio gear? 5.6db sounds like a lot to me. I'd definitely ask Purewave. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Tue, Dec 1,

Re: [AFMUG] Cable loss question

Is it LMR400 between the sectors and the radio gear? 5.6db sounds like a lot to me. I'd definitely ask Purewave. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Tue, Dec 1, 2015 at 4:10 PM, Jay Weekley wrote: > We

[AFMUG] POE vs DC and surge supression

We've got some Cambium PTP820S radios going up shortly. We will be running fiber to the radios, so we're debating on POE vs. DC up the tower for powering them. We have been told by the tower owner that we need to adhere to R56 for lightning protection. Our initial thought was that we

Re: [AFMUG] POE vs DC and surge supression

I would second the hybrid fiber. Worked great for us and Best-Tronics is great. A little longer lead time but good to work with. For about the same as good CAT5 outdoor they will make you a 4 fiber and 2 conductor cable. We had a lot less issues using DC surge arrestors than POE. On Tue, Dec 1,

Re: [AFMUG] POE vs DC and surge supression

Do you already have the fiber? If not, you should consider a hybrid cable that has a few strands of fiber and 2-conductor 12/14AWG for powering the radios? Best-Tronics is a good vendor for this cable. On Tue, Dec 1, 2015 at 4:11 PM, Craig Baird wrote: > We've got some

Re: [AFMUG] POE vs DC and surge supression

I can't speak to R56, but the only experience I have with 48V direct DC power is with a WiMAX basestation that the manufacturer claimed the field failures were reduced to almost zero when they started recommending a DC surge protector at the basestation. My personal view is the one by the BS

Re: [AFMUG] POE vs DC and surge supression

Not yet... What form factor would be preferred? I could fit it in my regular surge suppressor case if that is not too small. -Original Message- From: Craig Baird Sent: Tuesday, December 01, 2015 3:07 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] POE vs DC and surge supression You don't

Re: [AFMUG] Cable loss question

This is at 3.65ghz? 5.6db sounds about right to me for 60'. It is a big performance hit, but if they do have 1/2 watt per port, you might be able to raise the tx power enough to still be close to the max EIRP... of course you'll still be losing 6db on the receive side. On Tue, Dec 1, 2015 at 3:41

Re: [AFMUG] POE vs DC and surge supression

I am kinda partial to this one: http://www.mccowntech.com/dc-power-line-apc-rack-surge-suppressor-protector/ From: Josh Baird Sent: Tuesday, December 01, 2015 2:33 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] POE vs DC and surge supression Not to go too far off track here, but what DC surge

[AFMUG] Confirm this is only 100 meg SyncInjector?

Any chance this is gigabit? I don't remember ever ordering a 4 channel POE injector that wasn't gigabit and I know there have been multiple revisions. SiteMonitor expansion reads: 4ChanPoEInj SMEXP1-090624 12757 http://i.imgur.com/w7mCxmz.png Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340

Re: [AFMUG] POE vs DC and surge supression

Something I could hang on a tower next to a radio would be ideal. Seems like your case has tabs on top and bottom for band clamps, doesn't it? Craig Quoting Chuck McCown : Not yet... What form factor would be preferred? I could fit it in my regular surge suppressor case

Re: [AFMUG] Cable loss question

Good point. I've got a question out to Purewave on that. George Skorup wrote: Yeah, -6dB means you cut your range in half and any foliage penetration you might get will be worse quality. If it's a water tower with the catwalk railing, that's pretty much your only option, unless you have more

Re: [AFMUG] Cable loss question

Yeah, -6dB means you cut your range in half and any foliage penetration you might get will be worse quality. If it's a water tower with the catwalk railing, that's pretty much your only option, unless you have more than one radio. Don't those expensive base stations have like 1/2-watt per port

Re: [AFMUG] POE vs DC and surge supression

Connectronics 82-8694, contact DoubleRadius or Winncom. I got that as part of a Purewave order. It’s pretty beefy and I think it was around $100. It does have its own NEMA box similar to the Cambium PTP series LPU, with a light you can see from the outside, and screw terminal blocks inside.

Re: [AFMUG] POE vs DC and surge supression

You don't have an outdoor version, do you? Craig Quoting Chuck McCown : I am kinda partial to this one: http://www.mccowntech.com/dc-power-line-apc-rack-surge-suppressor-protector/ From: Josh Baird Sent: Tuesday, December 01, 2015 2:33 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re:

[AFMUG] Cable loss question

We are going to experiment with some Purewave equipment that we have had for a while and one of our possible locations is on a water tank which means some of the LMR-400 to the sectors may be quite long. The loss calculator provided by Purewave shows that the loss on 60 feet of coax is 5.6 dB

Re: [AFMUG] POE vs DC and surge supression

What ever happened to the outdoor version of the card holder? Just make a universal case that accepts all of the card options. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Tue, Dec 1, 2015 at 5:08 PM, Chuck McCown wrote: >

[AFMUG] Mimosa B5 Cacti template

Does anyone have a Cacti template for the Mimosa B5 they would be willing to share? Thanks, Sean

Re: [AFMUG] POE vs DC and surge supression

Well, I had no idea you made these. Thanks! On Tue, Dec 1, 2015 at 4:43 PM, Chuck McCown wrote: > I am kinda partial to this one: > > http://www.mccowntech.com/dc-power-line-apc-rack-surge-suppressor-protector/ > > *From:* Josh Baird > *Sent:* Tuesday,

Re: [AFMUG] Canopy 14.1.1

Aaron, I had a question about a change Cambium implemented on the 450D radios, although it's not new to 14.1.1 (I think it started in 13.4): the Power Control section on the Configuration -> Radio, External Gain setting is no longer adjustable, and is locked in at 25dB. OK, but the radio

Re: [AFMUG] POE vs DC and surge supression

No, I don't have the fiber yet. That's a great suggestion. Thanks! Craig Quoting Josh Baird : Do you already have the fiber? If not, you should consider a hybrid cable that has a few strands of fiber and 2-conductor 12/14AWG for powering the radios? Best-Tronics is a

Re: [AFMUG] Cable loss question

Yes, 3.65ghz. Purewave/Mercury Networks just responded and you and George are right. They said that we would see an 8-10 dBm difference between the uplink and downlink RSSI. Mathew Howard wrote: This is at 3.65ghz? 5.6db sounds about right to me for 60'. It is a big performance hit, but if

Re: [AFMUG] Confirm this is only 100 meg SyncInjector?

That is definitely a 10/100 4-port injector. Second version with jumpers to select polarity on each of the spare pair power pins. On 12/1/2015 3:43 PM, Josh Luthman wrote: Any chance this is gigabit? I don't remember ever ordering a 4 channel POE injector that wasn't gigabit and I know there

Re: [AFMUG] POE vs DC and surge supression

I would have to use a different case. From: Josh Luthman Sent: Tuesday, December 01, 2015 3:10 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] POE vs DC and surge supression What ever happened to the outdoor version of the card holder? Just make a universal case that accepts all of the card

Re: [AFMUG] POE vs DC and surge supression

Yes it does. -Original Message- From: Craig Baird Sent: Tuesday, December 01, 2015 3:14 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] POE vs DC and surge supression Something I could hang on a tower next to a radio would be ideal. Seems like your case has tabs on top and bottom for band

Re: [AFMUG] Canopy 14.1.1

Darren - We'll take a look but the external gain for 450D is locked because that is the property of the HW with the attached dish and radome. This is not changeable intentionally. The internal HW of the 450d is actually an integrated 450SM in a new housing, so there actually is some

Re: [AFMUG] Canopy 14.1.1

But if the locked external gain is set to 25dB, that's the whole system gain, not the addition of the "external" gain (over the bare patch) like a reflector. For instance, you set external gain to +14 when using a standard SM on a reflector and get the full legal +30dBm/20MHz or +27dBm/10MHz

Re: [AFMUG] Cable loss question

I’d use LDF4.5-50a, (5/8” heliax), loss at 3650MHz is 3.5dB/100’. If its too stiff to bring right into the antenna and AP, then use short LMR-400 jumpers. http://www.commscope.com/catalog/andrew/product_details.aspx?id=1330 On Dec 1, 2015, at 3:38 PM, Jay Weekley

[AFMUG] Yes, Christmas lights can screw up your Wi-Fi, but not how you might think

http://mashable.com/2015/12/01/christmas-lights-interfere-wifi/#Alr0iB5P85qO

Re: [AFMUG] Mimosa B5 Cacti template

Here is the one that I built. http://www.mt.net/~sutick/cacti-mimosa.zip On Tue, Dec 1, 2015 at 2:10 PM, Sean Heskett wrote: > Does anyone have a Cacti template for the Mimosa B5 they would be willing > to share? > > Thanks, > Sean >

Re: [AFMUG] Cable loss question

If you can't find that, LMR-900 is the same weight per meter of cable. Slightly higher loss though. At 2500 MHz the commscope cable loss is 9.14dB/100 meters of cable loss, the LMR-900 is 9.8dB. https://www.timesmicrowave.com/documents/resources/LMR-900.pdf That can get costly quick, you're

Re: [AFMUG] Canopy 14.1.1

For anyone that may be interested, Cambium put up 13.2.1.3 (for Lite APs) in the PMP450 Archive section. On 11/25/2015 10:06 PM, Aaron Schneider wrote: I can help if that is necessary. I’ll forward this on internally. On 11/25/15, 6:02 PM, "Af on behalf of George Skorup"

Re: [AFMUG] Cybermonday

wow, 90 new sales, might need to hire 9 people (if it were us lol) i can remember one year where we were mad-dashing to get everyone installed by Christmas. Since then, we don't really "push" Christmas. Now back to school, that's another time... - Original Message - From: Gino

Re: [AFMUG] DC-DC Converter

Never mind, takes external components. -Original Message- From: Chuck McCown Sent: Tuesday, December 01, 2015 9:49 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] DC-DC Converter $12

[AFMUG] separating provider roles

Our two primary focuses are the ISP, and the Contract support for client networks. Each component could operate as independent companies, it was two companies at one point. Both components are fickle markets, based on budgets. For those of you doing both, how clear do you keep this line? We are

Re: [AFMUG] DC-DC Converter

$12 http://www.mouser.com/ProductDetail/Vicor/PI3546-00-LGIZ/?qs=sGAEpiMZZMsc0tfZmXiUnbaEjpYStdRIZrfaHpSaY7J9HeKaUImRVA%3d%3d -Original Message- From: Christopher Tyler Sent: Tuesday, December 01, 2015 9:34 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] DC-DC Converter How about something

Re: [AFMUG] Cybermonday

double speed on the basic plan (7/1 to 14/2) $59.95 plus free install On Tue, Dec 1, 2015 at 11:24 AM, Josh Reynolds wrote: > What was the promo? > On Dec 1, 2015 8:11 AM, "Gino Villarini" wrote: > >> anyone ran any cybermonday sales? >> >> we did a

[AFMUG] ePMP: Integrated Radio VS Force 180

What is the story with the ePMP line? I have had ePMP integrated units on back order for several weeks now. Has Cambium stopped production on them? Since we are 5Ghz then we should move to the Force 180? -- -Louis

Re: [AFMUG] Work boots

Yeah, hard external soles help. On a rohn25, I straddle a side bar and put a foot on each side. Y lanyard up top at different points, and I use a petzl grillion to lock me in place where I can just sit down in my harness seat. It's rather comfortable, but not as nice as sitting attop an SSV. On

Re: [AFMUG] Work boots

We used to have a cool platform which was light but sturdy. It was designed by my brother and welded by my cousins fabrication shop. It got left on tower somewhere in south Texas. We copied idea from a tower outfit out of Atlanta. On Dec 1, 2015 8:54 PM, "Josh Reynolds"

Re: [AFMUG] Work boots

Well the boots support my feet well on towerson Rohn 25 it is tough to comfortably fit both boots to work. On Syscom model 35 they fit well. My feet didn't hurt at all...so I am happy. On Nov 30, 2015 10:58 AM, "Josh Reynolds" wrote: > Haven't had those. > > Last

Re: [AFMUG] ePMP: Integrated Radio VS Force 180

I've heard that the older lines have been halted with the expectation everyone is buying the new ones - force 180 and force 200. I'd suggest using Force 180 and 200 for 5 GHz. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Tue, Dec 1, 2015 at

Re: [AFMUG] Cybermonday

Double speed permanently or for how long? On Tue, Dec 1, 2015 at 11:31 AM, Gino Villarini wrote: > double speed on the basic plan (7/1 to 14/2) $59.95 plus free install > > On Tue, Dec 1, 2015 at 11:24 AM, Josh Reynolds > wrote: > >> What was the

Re: [AFMUG] ePMP: Integrated Radio VS Force 180

Yeah, I think the integrated is discontinued... anyway, I certainly wouldn't wait for them, the Force 180 is the same price and much nicer. Is that why there's been a shortage of Force 110s? I thought it was still going to be a few months until the 5ghz Force 200 was shipping... On Tue, Dec 1,

Re: [AFMUG] ePMP: Integrated Radio VS Force 180

There is a shortage/lack of Force 110. My reps gave me a heads up a month ago and I ordered 3 month supply to be safe. I've heard the first of the year is supposed to deliver Force 200 5 GHz. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On

Re: [AFMUG] separating provider roles

I would say treat them separate internally, because some day you may want to outsource that yourself, or split and sell parts of your company etc. Especially if you already have outside help like we do, it makes sense to try to keep them separate so you can ‘move’ items/responsibility outside

Re: [AFMUG] Cybermonday

Guaranteed sustained speeds or just burst ? From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Gino Villarini Sent: Tuesday, December 01, 2015 1:32 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cybermonday double speed on the basic plan (7/1 to 14/2) $59.95 plus free install On Tue, Dec 1, 2015 at

Re: [AFMUG] Mounting 450 3.65 APs onto existing Cambium sectors

Just a quick (minor) correction to this… you’ll use the same adapter plate, we’ll send you screws that will accommodate the hole tolerance and be the right size for the tapped holes in the 450i housing. This is all in relation to the 5 GHz 450 to 450i AP transition though. For 3 GHz, I would

Re: [AFMUG] Cybermonday

What gear are you delivering that with? On Tue, Dec 1, 2015 at 12:31 PM, Gino Villarini wrote: > double speed on the basic plan (7/1 to 14/2) $59.95 plus free install > > On Tue, Dec 1, 2015 at 11:24 AM, Josh Reynolds wrote: >> >> What was the promo?

Re: [AFMUG] Cybermonday

What was the promo? On Dec 1, 2015 8:11 AM, "Gino Villarini" wrote: > anyone ran any cybermonday sales? > > we did a Facebook promo, 90 new sales >

Re: [AFMUG] Cybermonday

Good idea. Rory Conaway • Triad Wireless • CEO 4226 S. 37th Street • Phoenix • AZ 85040 602-426-0542 r...@triadwireless.net www.triadwireless.net “Messages can be sent by text or an inside pitch” – Baseball Wisdom From: Af

[AFMUG] FW: Infocast: PMP trade-in program, 39GHz, Award success

Guys, just got this in my email box and thought it was worth passing on for anyone who hasn’t seen it. Rory PMP trade-in program, 39GHz, Award success [http://i.emlfiles1.com/cmpimg/2009/5813/2198870_shim.gif] View in

Re: [AFMUG] FW: Infocast: PMP trade-in program, 39GHz, Award success

Anyone has tried it? On Tue, Dec 1, 2015 at 9:05 AM, Rory Conaway wrote: > Guys, just got this in my email box and thought it was worth passing on > for anyone who hasn’t seen it. > > > > Rory > > > > > > PMP trade-in program, 39GHz, Award success > > View in browser >

[AFMUG] Cybermonday

anyone ran any cybermonday sales? we did a Facebook promo, 90 new sales

Re: [AFMUG] OT: 35mm Slide Scanner

mama don’t take my Kodachrome From: Ken Hohhof Sent: Monday, November 30, 2015 5:15 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: 35mm Slide Scanner > mostly slides from the 50s and 60's they're kinda grainy If these are Kodachrome (50’s) or Kodachrome II (60’s), and have not degraded with

Re: [AFMUG] Ceragon IP20 1Gbps License Question

Look for 80 MHz V & H. Generally if you can get 80 you can get both. Adam From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Monday, November 30, 2015 8:19 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Ceragon IP20 1Gbps License Question This whole conversation is moot

Re: [AFMUG] Cybermonday

Next year! On Tue, Dec 1, 2015 at 9:06 AM, Rory Conaway wrote: > Good idea. > > > > > > *Rory Conaway **• Triad Wireless •** CEO* > > *4226 S. 37th Street • Phoenix • AZ 85040* > > *602-426-0542 <602-426-0542>* > > *r...@triadwireless.net * > >

Re: [AFMUG] DC-DC Converter

How about something like this? Mouser Part #: 580-UEI25-120D48PM-C Manufacturer Part #: UEI25-120-D48PM-C Manufacturers: Murata Isolated DC/DC Converters 48V 12Vout 2.1A SMT 25.2W Pos. Polarity 1: $24.75 5: $24.55 10: $24.36 25: $24.02 50: $23.32 100: $21.82

Re: [AFMUG] DC-DC Converter

That could work. At least it is not some sketchy chinese product that may or may not actually be in production. -Original Message- From: Christopher Tyler Sent: Tuesday, December 01, 2015 9:34 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] DC-DC Converter How about something like this?