Re: [AFMUG] Lady bug deterrent

[Mathew Howard]

Fire is more satisfying.
On Dec 27, 2015 9:15 AM, "Jeremy"  wrote:

> I use a shop vac.
>
> On Sun, Dec 27, 2015 at 8:00 AM, Jay Weekley 
> wrote:
>
>> That's my favorite suggestion.
>>
>> That One Guy /sarcasm wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> Copious amounts of fire
>>>
>>> On Dec 26, 2015 11:27 PM, "Jay Weekley" >> > wrote:
>>>
>>> Yeah, good luck.
>>>
>>> CBB - Jay Fuller wrote:
>>>
>>> i think we had a problem at jones chapel a year ago or so as
>>> well.  clean out box and check to make sure it is sealed tight...
>>>
>>> - Original Message -
>>> *From:* Ken Hohhof >> >
>>> *To:* af@afmug.com 
>>> >
>>>
>>> *Sent:* Saturday, December 26, 2015 10:51 PM
>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Lady bug deterrent
>>>
>>> Our problems with them peaked about 5 years ago, either a
>>> drought
>>> year
>>> killed off the aphids that the ladybugs feed on, or the
>>> latest
>>> pesticides on
>>> the crops, in any case I don't see that many ladybugs
>>> anymore.
>>>
>>> In fall they look for a place to hibernate for the winter
>>> (like
>>> inside walls
>>> and attics).  They prefer white sunny surfaces.  So put your
>>> equipment box
>>> on the north side, don't paint it white, and seal up all the
>>> cracks where
>>> they can get in.  Maybe put some screen or pantyhose over
>>> any vent
>>> openings.
>>> Are these NEMA 4 boxes, or just rainproof?
>>>
>>> I assume you have the orange Asian variety that bite and
>>> stink if
>>> you scare
>>> them.  If Trump is elected, I expect he will deport them
>>> and then
>>> build a
>>> wall to keep them out.  If you have the native red
>>> ladybugs, they
>>> are good
>>> bugs and you should welcome them and take it as a good
>>> omen. Even the
>>> orange ones don't eat your stuff or lay eggs, but they squirt
>>> smelly liquid
>>> if scared.  Most people advise vacuuming them and throwing
>>> out the
>>> bag.
>>> What I hate are the earwigs which leave earwig poop
>>> everywhere. We
>>> also
>>> have trouble with the box elder beetles.
>>>
>>> Any pesticide would have to be applied where they would
>>> die before
>>> getting
>>> into your box.  Killing them inside the box probably doesn't
>>> accomplish
>>> anything.
>>>
>>>
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: Jay Weekley
>>> Sent: Saturday, December 26, 2015 10:19 PM
>>> To: Animal Farm
>>> Subject: [AFMUG] Lady bug deterrent
>>>
>>> Does anyone know of a way to keep lady bugs out of your
>>> equipment
>>> boxes?  Mothballs?  Flee collars?  Those mosquito
>>> repellent bracelets?
>>> Oh, Mr. Fuller, we have lady bugs in our equipment box at
>>> Helicon.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] flooding....tornadoes....and a high of 76

[Jaime Solorza]

Dallas area hammered by tornado.. some fatalities...
On Dec 27, 2015 10:25 AM, "Jaime Solorza"  wrote:

> Pretty blanketed still.  Many churches cancelled services to keep folks
> off streets.
> On Dec 27, 2015 5:32 AM, "Lewis Bergman"  wrote:
>
>> Sleet pummeled everything last night. Yesterday afternoon it was muggy
>> and 68. Front blew in, sleet, now 35. Seems like Jaime's really cold stuff
>> is still one county to the NW.
>>
>> On Sun, Dec 27, 2015, 1:02 AM That One Guy /sarcasm <
>> thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> In Illinois the weather is called wintery mix because they can't say
>>> grab your ankles. I get pissed about a lot of thing with my current
>>> position, but getting to stay inside on those days is definetly not one of
>>> them
>>> On Dec 26, 2015 8:20 PM, "Jaime Solorza" 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Stetson and few others make replica of Tom Laughlins version.  The bead
 work is credited as Dineh' but I don't know.  My hat band is Mescalero
 Apache.   Hope to pick up some new one on my way to Sedona next week...

>>> On Dec 26, 2015 7:09 PM, "Jaime Solorza" 
 wrote:

> His was different style
> On Dec 26, 2015 7:04 PM, "Jay Weekley" 
> wrote:
>
>> Billy Jack.
>>
>> On December 26, 2015 7:33:49 PM CST, Jaime Solorza <
>> losguyswirel...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> Thanks...its from Hunter Club series... here's my dressier one
>>> On Dec 26, 2015 6:27 PM, "Ken Hohhof"  wrote:
>>>
 Well, that is not good.

 We’re supposed to have that Monday.  Forecasts say things like
 “wintry mix” and “ice pellets”.  And wind.

 Nice hat.


 *From:* Jaime Solorza 
 *Sent:* Saturday, December 26, 2015 7:04 PM
 *To:* Animal Farm 
 *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] floodingtornadoesand a high of 76


 Storm started... my hat iced uphome now safe
 On Dec 26, 2015 1:48 PM, "CBB - Jay Fuller" <
 par...@cyberbroadband.net> wrote:

>
> so far so good on our network, one tower outage, another radio
> being used as a repeater down on another network -
> we assume both were water affecting the radio in some how (i mean
> we just finished a new dam , 2nd water reservoir, and it fulled up in 
> like
> ONE DAY)
>
>
> - Original Message -
> *From:* Jaime Solorza 
> *To:* Animal Farm 
> *Sent:* Saturday, December 26, 2015 9:39 AM
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] floodingtornadoesand a high of 76
>
>
> How you holding up?
> On Dec 25, 2015 10:03 PM, "Jaime Solorza" <
> losguyswirel...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> 24 reported tornadoes today
>> On Dec 25, 2015 10:00 PM, "Jaime Solorza" <
>> losguyswirel...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Wow
>>> On Dec 25, 2015 9:43 PM, "CBB - Jay Fuller" <
>>> par...@cyberbroadband.net> wrote:
>>>


 Merry Christmas!

 So - this picture is where the office / headend of a network we
 purchased two years ago used to be.  Behind the restaurant on the 
 right
 side of the picture, where the end of the building is and turns 
 around
 towards a backwards "l" shape

 (i'll circle it in the photo)

 Was talking to the guy who sold to us on facebook tonight - -
 talk about he is glad he's not in that building anymore!!


>>>
>> --
>> Sent from my Android device with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity.
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] OT: This thing on?

[Josh Luthman]

Nothing is ever good enough for that damn state.

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
On Dec 27, 2015 1:23 PM, "Bill Prince"  wrote:

> We need about another 100 trillion...
>
> bp
> 
>
>
> On 12/27/2015 10:22 AM, Josh Luthman wrote:
>
> I offered you a billion gallons of rain...
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
> On Dec 27, 2015 1:20 PM, "Bill Prince"  wrote:
>
>> I've sent a couple of messages this morning. The show up in my inbox, but
>> I'm not seeing them in the AF archive...
>>
>> --
>>
>> bp
>> 
>>
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] OT: This thing on?

[Bill Prince]

haters.

bp


On 12/27/2015 10:48 AM, Rory Conaway wrote:


Wow, truer words have never been spoken.

Rory

*From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Chuck McCown
*Sent:* Sunday, December 27, 2015 11:39 AM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: This thing on?

Yes but only 1 in 10 Californians are true Americans...

(buh du dum tis)

*From:*Bill Prince 

*Sent:*Sunday, December 27, 2015 11:33 AM

*To:*af@afmug.com 

*Subject:*Re: [AFMUG] OT: This thing on?

1 of 10 Americans are Californians.


bp


On 12/27/2015 10:28 AM, Chuck McCown wrote:

You gotta have compassion for them, with all that extra cancer n
stuff, makes ‘em cranky.

*From:*Josh Luthman 

*Sent:*Sunday, December 27, 2015 11:23 AM

*To:*af@afmug.com 

*Subject:*Re: [AFMUG] OT: This thing on?

Nothing is ever good enough for that damn state.

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Dec 27, 2015 1:23 PM, "Bill Prince" > wrote:

We need about another 100 trillion...


bp



On 12/27/2015 10:22 AM, Josh Luthman wrote:

I offered you a billion gallons of rain...

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340 
Direct: 937-552-2343 
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Dec 27, 2015 1:20 PM, "Bill Prince" > wrote:

I've sent a couple of messages this morning. The show up in my
inbox, but I'm not seeing them in the AF archive...

-- 


bp

Re: [AFMUG] OT: This thing on?

[Jaime Solorza]

Hey hold your caballos HolmesI was born in East LA ..really was.. lived
in Downey for 2 yrs before dad moved us to Texas...I feel like Sheldon at
times...trying to teach evolution to creationistslol. too too easy
On Dec 27, 2015 11:39 AM, "Chuck McCown"  wrote:

> Yes but only 1 in 10 Californians are true Americans...
>
> (buh du dum tis)
>
>
> *From:* Bill Prince 
> *Sent:* Sunday, December 27, 2015 11:33 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: This thing on?
>
> 1 of 10 Americans are Californians.
>
> bp
> 
>
>
> On 12/27/2015 10:28 AM, Chuck McCown wrote:
>
> You gotta have compassion for them, with all that extra cancer n stuff,
> makes ‘em cranky.
>
> *From:* Josh Luthman 
> *Sent:* Sunday, December 27, 2015 11:23 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: This thing on?
>
>
> Nothing is ever good enough for that damn state.
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
> On Dec 27, 2015 1:23 PM, "Bill Prince"  wrote:
>
>> We need about another 100 trillion...
>>
>> bp
>> 
>>
>>
>> On 12/27/2015 10:22 AM, Josh Luthman wrote:
>>
>> I offered you a billion gallons of rain...
>>
>> Josh Luthman
>> Office: 937-552-2340
>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>> 1100 Wayne St
>> Suite 1337
>> Troy, OH 45373
>> On Dec 27, 2015 1:20 PM, "Bill Prince"  wrote:
>>
>>> I've sent a couple of messages this morning. The show up in my inbox,
>>> but I'm not seeing them in the AF archive...
>>>
>>> --
>>>
>>> bp
>>> 
>>>
>>>
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] OT: This thing on?

[Rory Conaway]

Wow, truer words have never been spoken.

Rory

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown
Sent: Sunday, December 27, 2015 11:39 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: This thing on?

Yes but only 1 in 10 Californians are true Americans...

(buh du dum tis)


From: Bill Prince
Sent: Sunday, December 27, 2015 11:33 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: This thing on?

1 of 10 Americans are Californians.



bp




On 12/27/2015 10:28 AM, Chuck McCown wrote:
You gotta have compassion for them, with all that extra cancer n stuff, makes 
‘em cranky.

From: Josh Luthman
Sent: Sunday, December 27, 2015 11:23 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: This thing on?


Nothing is ever good enough for that damn state.

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
On Dec 27, 2015 1:23 PM, "Bill Prince" 
> wrote:
We need about another 100 trillion...



bp




On 12/27/2015 10:22 AM, Josh Luthman wrote:

I offered you a billion gallons of rain...

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
On Dec 27, 2015 1:20 PM, "Bill Prince" 
> wrote:
I've sent a couple of messages this morning. The show up in my inbox, but I'm 
not seeing them in the AF archive...

--

bp

[AFMUG] phone lines for Ethernet transmission

[Chris Herrington]

Did this some years ago, and now I need to do it again—use existing phone 
cabling for Ethernet cabling.  

 

100Mbps OK for this application.  

 

I have seen a couple of solutions but they seem terribly expensive, at lease a 
lot more expensive than I remember.

 

Thanks for any help finding these.

 

Chris Herrington, PMP, RCDD/OSP Specialist

FCC Lic. # PG-11-19440

cid:image001.jpg@01CE86F2.B9D9CF30

Full Spectrum Communications

Consulting, Engineering, Installation

Communications & Electrical Contractor #450317

US Mail: PO Box 60905 Irvine CA 92602

Visit us at: 14701 Myford Road, Suite B Tustin, CA  92780

800-897-7287, 714-897-3789 Chris Cell 714-309-8714

ch...@fsc.com

http://www.fsc.com  

 

 

Re: [AFMUG] OT: This thing on?

[Josh Luthman]

I offered you a billion gallons of rain...

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
On Dec 27, 2015 1:20 PM, "Bill Prince"  wrote:

> I've sent a couple of messages this morning. The show up in my inbox, but
> I'm not seeing them in the AF archive...
>
> --
>
> bp
> 
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] OT: This thing on?

[Bill Prince]

We need about another 100 trillion...

bp


On 12/27/2015 10:22 AM, Josh Luthman wrote:


I offered you a billion gallons of rain...

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Dec 27, 2015 1:20 PM, "Bill Prince" > wrote:


I've sent a couple of messages this morning. The show up in my
inbox, but I'm not seeing them in the AF archive...

-- 


bp

Re: [AFMUG] OT: DJI Phantom 3 Pro, wireless protocol?

[Josh Luthman]

FHSS maybe?  Or possibly small channel size since it needs distance, not
throughput.

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
On Dec 27, 2015 1:18 PM, "Bill Prince"  wrote:

>
> My nephew got a new DJI Phantom 3 Pro model drone, and in the process of
> setting it up, I was trying to find the WiFi frequencies/protocols it was
> using to communicate between the controller and drone. Nothing showed up in
> my sniffer, so I wonder if it's using 802.11 at all.
>
> The specs (http://wiki.dji.com/en/index.php/Phantom_3_Professional) say
> it's using 2400-2483 MHz, but is only 100 mW EIRP. They claim 2 KM range,
> but he lost control of it in his admittedly WiFi congested neighborhood.
>
> --
>
> bp
> 
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] OT: This thing on?

[Chuck McCown]

Yes but only 1 in 10 Californians are true Americans...

(buh du dum tis)


From: Bill Prince 
Sent: Sunday, December 27, 2015 11:33 AM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: This thing on?

1 of 10 Americans are Californians.


bp


On 12/27/2015 10:28 AM, Chuck McCown wrote:

  You gotta have compassion for them, with all that extra cancer n stuff, makes 
‘em cranky.  

  From: Josh Luthman 
  Sent: Sunday, December 27, 2015 11:23 AM
  To: af@afmug.com 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: This thing on?

  Nothing is ever good enough for that damn state.

  Josh Luthman
  Office: 937-552-2340
  Direct: 937-552-2343
  1100 Wayne St
  Suite 1337
  Troy, OH 45373

  On Dec 27, 2015 1:23 PM, "Bill Prince"  wrote:

We need about another 100 trillion...


bp


On 12/27/2015 10:22 AM, Josh Luthman wrote:

  I offered you a billion gallons of rain...

  Josh Luthman
  Office: 937-552-2340
  Direct: 937-552-2343
  1100 Wayne St
  Suite 1337
  Troy, OH 45373

  On Dec 27, 2015 1:20 PM, "Bill Prince"  wrote:

I've sent a couple of messages this morning. The show up in my inbox, 
but I'm not seeing them in the AF archive...

-- 

bp

Re: [AFMUG] OT: DJI Phantom 3 Pro, wireless protocol?

[Bill Prince]

They call it "auto-home". When you start it up, you calibrate the 
compass, and it records the starting point. Then you're supposed to just 
push the "Home" button, and it is supposed to fly back to that position 
and hover.


When it started flying off into the distance, he pushed the home button, 
and it cam back, but it was off by 20 feet or so, and it tried to land 
in a tree. Not optimal. he was able to push the "up" control to prevent 
it from actually landing in the tree. However, he was not able to 
maneuver it to the appropriate landing spot.


As I and his other uncle were diving to avoid being hit by the thing, he 
was able to land it on the roof of his house without damaging it.


bp


On 12/27/2015 10:26 AM, Chuck McCown wrote:
Saw a thing on the interwebs yesterday about how to not crash your 
drone the first time you use it.
Apparently they have something similar to an E Stop button that turns 
on the autopilot and flies them back to the starting poitn.

*From:* Josh Luthman 
*Sent:* Sunday, December 27, 2015 11:23 AM
*To:* af@afmug.com 
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: DJI Phantom 3 Pro, wireless protocol?

FHSS maybe?  Or possibly small channel size since it needs distance, 
not throughput.


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Dec 27, 2015 1:18 PM, "Bill Prince" > wrote:



My nephew got a new DJI Phantom 3 Pro model drone, and in the
process of setting it up, I was trying to find the WiFi
frequencies/protocols it was using to communicate between the
controller and drone. Nothing showed up in my sniffer, so I wonder
if it's using 802.11 at all.

The specs
(http://wiki.dji.com/en/index.php/Phantom_3_Professional) say it's
using 2400-2483 MHz, but is only 100 mW EIRP. They claim 2 KM
range, but he lost control of it in his admittedly WiFi congested
neighborhood.

-- 


bp

Re: [AFMUG] Lady bug deterrent

[Jay Weekley]

That's my favorite suggestion.

That One Guy /sarcasm wrote:


Copious amounts of fire

On Dec 26, 2015 11:27 PM, "Jay Weekley" > wrote:


Yeah, good luck.

CBB - Jay Fuller wrote:

i think we had a problem at jones chapel a year ago or so as
well.  clean out box and check to make sure it is sealed tight...

- Original Message -
*From:* Ken Hohhof >
*To:* af@afmug.com 
>
*Sent:* Saturday, December 26, 2015 10:51 PM
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Lady bug deterrent

Our problems with them peaked about 5 years ago, either a
drought
year
killed off the aphids that the ladybugs feed on, or the latest
pesticides on
the crops, in any case I don't see that many ladybugs anymore.

In fall they look for a place to hibernate for the winter
(like
inside walls
and attics).  They prefer white sunny surfaces.  So put your
equipment box
on the north side, don't paint it white, and seal up all the
cracks where
they can get in.  Maybe put some screen or pantyhose over
any vent
openings.
Are these NEMA 4 boxes, or just rainproof?

I assume you have the orange Asian variety that bite and
stink if
you scare
them.  If Trump is elected, I expect he will deport them
and then
build a
wall to keep them out.  If you have the native red
ladybugs, they
are good
bugs and you should welcome them and take it as a good
omen. Even the
orange ones don't eat your stuff or lay eggs, but they squirt
smelly liquid
if scared.  Most people advise vacuuming them and throwing
out the
bag.
What I hate are the earwigs which leave earwig poop
everywhere. We
also
have trouble with the box elder beetles.

Any pesticide would have to be applied where they would
die before
getting
into your box.  Killing them inside the box probably doesn't
accomplish
anything.


-Original Message-
From: Jay Weekley
Sent: Saturday, December 26, 2015 10:19 PM
To: Animal Farm
Subject: [AFMUG] Lady bug deterrent

Does anyone know of a way to keep lady bugs out of your
equipment
boxes?  Mothballs?  Flee collars?  Those mosquito
repellent bracelets?
Oh, Mr. Fuller, we have lady bugs in our equipment box at
Helicon.

Re: [AFMUG] flooding....tornadoes....and a high of 76

[Jaime Solorza]

Clearing up now but snow in the desert is hypnotic
On Dec 27, 2015 10:31 AM, "Jaime Solorza"  wrote:

> Dallas area hammered by tornado.. some fatalities...
> On Dec 27, 2015 10:25 AM, "Jaime Solorza" 
> wrote:
>
>> Pretty blanketed still.  Many churches cancelled services to keep folks
>> off streets.
>> On Dec 27, 2015 5:32 AM, "Lewis Bergman"  wrote:
>>
>>> Sleet pummeled everything last night. Yesterday afternoon it was muggy
>>> and 68. Front blew in, sleet, now 35. Seems like Jaime's really cold stuff
>>> is still one county to the NW.
>>>
>>> On Sun, Dec 27, 2015, 1:02 AM That One Guy /sarcasm <
>>> thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
 In Illinois the weather is called wintery mix because they can't say
 grab your ankles. I get pissed about a lot of thing with my current
 position, but getting to stay inside on those days is definetly not one of
 them
 On Dec 26, 2015 8:20 PM, "Jaime Solorza" 
 wrote:

> Stetson and few others make replica of Tom Laughlins version.  The
> bead work is credited as Dineh' but I don't know.  My hat band is 
> Mescalero
> Apache.   Hope to pick up some new one on my way to Sedona next week...
>
 On Dec 26, 2015 7:09 PM, "Jaime Solorza" 
> wrote:
>
>> His was different style
>> On Dec 26, 2015 7:04 PM, "Jay Weekley" 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Billy Jack.
>>>
>>> On December 26, 2015 7:33:49 PM CST, Jaime Solorza <
>>> losguyswirel...@gmail.com> wrote:

 Thanks...its from Hunter Club series... here's my dressier one
 On Dec 26, 2015 6:27 PM, "Ken Hohhof"  wrote:

> Well, that is not good.
>
> We’re supposed to have that Monday.  Forecasts say things like
> “wintry mix” and “ice pellets”.  And wind.
>
> Nice hat.
>
>
> *From:* Jaime Solorza 
> *Sent:* Saturday, December 26, 2015 7:04 PM
> *To:* Animal Farm 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] floodingtornadoesand a high of 76
>
>
> Storm started... my hat iced uphome now safe
> On Dec 26, 2015 1:48 PM, "CBB - Jay Fuller" <
> par...@cyberbroadband.net> wrote:
>
>>
>> so far so good on our network, one tower outage, another radio
>> being used as a repeater down on another network -
>> we assume both were water affecting the radio in some how (i mean
>> we just finished a new dam , 2nd water reservoir, and it fulled up 
>> in like
>> ONE DAY)
>>
>>
>> - Original Message -
>> *From:* Jaime Solorza 
>> *To:* Animal Farm 
>> *Sent:* Saturday, December 26, 2015 9:39 AM
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] floodingtornadoesand a high of 76
>>
>>
>> How you holding up?
>> On Dec 25, 2015 10:03 PM, "Jaime Solorza" <
>> losguyswirel...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> 24 reported tornadoes today
>>> On Dec 25, 2015 10:00 PM, "Jaime Solorza" <
>>> losguyswirel...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
 Wow
 On Dec 25, 2015 9:43 PM, "CBB - Jay Fuller" <
 par...@cyberbroadband.net> wrote:

>
>
> Merry Christmas!
>
> So - this picture is where the office / headend of a network
> we purchased two years ago used to be.  Behind the restaurant on 
> the right
> side of the picture, where the end of the building is and turns 
> around
> towards a backwards "l" shape
>
> (i'll circle it in the photo)
>
> Was talking to the guy who sold to us on facebook tonight - -
> talk about he is glad he's not in that building anymore!!
>
>

>>> --
>>> Sent from my Android device with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity.
>>>
>>

[AFMUG] How much energy is in a lightsaber

[Rory Conaway]

http://scienceblogs.com/dotphysics/2010/02/02/power-source-for-a-lightsaber/

Rory Conaway * Triad Wireless * CEO
4226 S. 37th Street * Phoenix * AZ 85040
602-426-0542
r...@triadwireless.net
www.triadwireless.net

"Life is full of unfair calls, missed plays, and bad catches.  But true 
baseball players keep on playing"  - Lessons from Baseball

Re: [AFMUG] flooding....tornadoes....and a high of 76

[Jaime Solorza]

Pretty blanketed still.  Many churches cancelled services to keep folks off
streets.
On Dec 27, 2015 5:32 AM, "Lewis Bergman"  wrote:

> Sleet pummeled everything last night. Yesterday afternoon it was muggy and
> 68. Front blew in, sleet, now 35. Seems like Jaime's really cold stuff is
> still one county to the NW.
>
> On Sun, Dec 27, 2015, 1:02 AM That One Guy /sarcasm <
> thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> In Illinois the weather is called wintery mix because they can't say grab
>> your ankles. I get pissed about a lot of thing with my current position,
>> but getting to stay inside on those days is definetly not one of them
>> On Dec 26, 2015 8:20 PM, "Jaime Solorza" 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Stetson and few others make replica of Tom Laughlins version.  The bead
>>> work is credited as Dineh' but I don't know.  My hat band is Mescalero
>>> Apache.   Hope to pick up some new one on my way to Sedona next week...
>>>
>> On Dec 26, 2015 7:09 PM, "Jaime Solorza" 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 His was different style
 On Dec 26, 2015 7:04 PM, "Jay Weekley" 
 wrote:

> Billy Jack.
>
> On December 26, 2015 7:33:49 PM CST, Jaime Solorza <
> losguyswirel...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> Thanks...its from Hunter Club series... here's my dressier one
>> On Dec 26, 2015 6:27 PM, "Ken Hohhof"  wrote:
>>
>>> Well, that is not good.
>>>
>>> We’re supposed to have that Monday.  Forecasts say things like
>>> “wintry mix” and “ice pellets”.  And wind.
>>>
>>> Nice hat.
>>>
>>>
>>> *From:* Jaime Solorza 
>>> *Sent:* Saturday, December 26, 2015 7:04 PM
>>> *To:* Animal Farm 
>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] floodingtornadoesand a high of 76
>>>
>>>
>>> Storm started... my hat iced uphome now safe
>>> On Dec 26, 2015 1:48 PM, "CBB - Jay Fuller" <
>>> par...@cyberbroadband.net> wrote:
>>>

 so far so good on our network, one tower outage, another radio
 being used as a repeater down on another network -
 we assume both were water affecting the radio in some how (i mean
 we just finished a new dam , 2nd water reservoir, and it fulled up in 
 like
 ONE DAY)


 - Original Message -
 *From:* Jaime Solorza 
 *To:* Animal Farm 
 *Sent:* Saturday, December 26, 2015 9:39 AM
 *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] floodingtornadoesand a high of 76


 How you holding up?
 On Dec 25, 2015 10:03 PM, "Jaime Solorza" <
 losguyswirel...@gmail.com> wrote:

> 24 reported tornadoes today
> On Dec 25, 2015 10:00 PM, "Jaime Solorza" <
> losguyswirel...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Wow
>> On Dec 25, 2015 9:43 PM, "CBB - Jay Fuller" <
>> par...@cyberbroadband.net> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Merry Christmas!
>>>
>>> So - this picture is where the office / headend of a network we
>>> purchased two years ago used to be.  Behind the restaurant on the 
>>> right
>>> side of the picture, where the end of the building is and turns 
>>> around
>>> towards a backwards "l" shape
>>>
>>> (i'll circle it in the photo)
>>>
>>> Was talking to the guy who sold to us on facebook tonight - -
>>> talk about he is glad he's not in that building anymore!!
>>>
>>>
>>
> --
> Sent from my Android device with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity.
>

Re: [AFMUG] OT: DJI Phantom 3 Pro, wireless protocol?

[Bill Prince]

Possibly. Although the one he's got has a 4K camera. That's gotta use 
some bandwidth.


bp


On 12/27/2015 10:23 AM, Josh Luthman wrote:


FHSS maybe?  Or possibly small channel size since it needs distance, 
not throughput.


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Dec 27, 2015 1:18 PM, "Bill Prince" > wrote:



My nephew got a new DJI Phantom 3 Pro model drone, and in the
process of setting it up, I was trying to find the WiFi
frequencies/protocols it was using to communicate between the
controller and drone. Nothing showed up in my sniffer, so I wonder
if it's using 802.11 at all.

The specs
(http://wiki.dji.com/en/index.php/Phantom_3_Professional) say it's
using 2400-2483 MHz, but is only 100 mW EIRP. They claim 2 KM
range, but he lost control of it in his admittedly WiFi congested
neighborhood.

-- 


bp

Re: [AFMUG] OT: DJI Phantom 3 Pro, wireless protocol?

[Chuck McCown]

Saw a thing on the interwebs yesterday about how to not crash your drone the 
first time you use it.
Apparently they have something similar to an E Stop button that turns on the 
autopilot and flies them back to the starting poitn.  

From: Josh Luthman 
Sent: Sunday, December 27, 2015 11:23 AM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: DJI Phantom 3 Pro, wireless protocol?

FHSS maybe?  Or possibly small channel size since it needs distance, not 
throughput.

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Dec 27, 2015 1:18 PM, "Bill Prince"  wrote:


  My nephew got a new DJI Phantom 3 Pro model drone, and in the process of 
setting it up, I was trying to find the WiFi frequencies/protocols it was using 
to communicate between the controller and drone. Nothing showed up in my 
sniffer, so I wonder if it's using 802.11 at all.

  The specs (http://wiki.dji.com/en/index.php/Phantom_3_Professional) say it's 
using 2400-2483 MHz, but is only 100 mW EIRP. They claim 2 KM range, but he 
lost control of it in his admittedly WiFi congested neighborhood.

  -- 

  bp
  

Re: [AFMUG] OT: DJI Phantom 3 Pro, wireless protocol?

[Bill Prince]

The intent was to hover it a low level over his back yard. All the 
high-voltage lines, phone lines, and cable lines were street-side, so 
the air was clear over his back yard. Should have been easy.


However, when I started up my sniffer, I was getting at least 30 WiFi 
hotspots in the area (on all the available 2.4 GHz channels).


bp


On 12/27/2015 10:37 AM, Joe Novak wrote:
No other high voltage lines or anything like that right? It makes them 
act up too. If it wasn't so windy today it'd be a good day to go fly.


On Sun, Dec 27, 2015 at 12:32 PM, Bill Prince > wrote:


They call it "auto-home". When you start it up, you calibrate the
compass, and it records the starting point. Then you're supposed
to just push the "Home" button, and it is supposed to fly back to
that position and hover.

When it started flying off into the distance, he pushed the home
button, and it cam back, but it was off by 20 feet or so, and it
tried to land in a tree. Not optimal. he was able to push the "up"
control to prevent it from actually landing in the tree. However,
he was not able to maneuver it to the appropriate landing spot.

As I and his other uncle were diving to avoid being hit by the
thing, he was able to land it on the roof of his house without
damaging it.

bp


On 12/27/2015 10:26 AM, Chuck McCown wrote:

Saw a thing on the interwebs yesterday about how to not crash
your drone the first time you use it.
Apparently they have something similar to an E Stop button that
turns on the autopilot and flies them back to the starting poitn.
*From:* Josh Luthman 
*Sent:* Sunday, December 27, 2015 11:23 AM
*To:* af@afmug.com 
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: DJI Phantom 3 Pro, wireless protocol?

FHSS maybe?  Or possibly small channel size since it needs
distance, not throughput.

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340 
Direct: 937-552-2343 
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Dec 27, 2015 1:18 PM, "Bill Prince" > wrote:


My nephew got a new DJI Phantom 3 Pro model drone, and in the
process of setting it up, I was trying to find the WiFi
frequencies/protocols it was using to communicate between the
controller and drone. Nothing showed up in my sniffer, so I
wonder if it's using 802.11 at all.

The specs
(http://wiki.dji.com/en/index.php/Phantom_3_Professional) say
it's using 2400-2483 MHz, but is only 100 mW EIRP. They claim
2 KM range, but he lost control of it in his admittedly WiFi
congested neighborhood.

-- 


bp

[AFMUG] OT: DJI Phantom 3 Pro, wireless protocol?

[Bill Prince]

My nephew got a new DJI Phantom 3 Pro model drone, and in the process of 
setting it up, I was trying to find the WiFi frequencies/protocols it 
was using to communicate between the controller and drone. Nothing 
showed up in my sniffer, so I wonder if it's using 802.11 at all.


The specs (http://wiki.dji.com/en/index.php/Phantom_3_Professional) say 
it's using 2400-2483 MHz, but is only 100 mW EIRP. They claim 2 KM 
range, but he lost control of it in his admittedly WiFi congested 
neighborhood.


--

bp

Re: [AFMUG] OT: This thing on?

[Chuck McCown]

You gotta have compassion for them, with all that extra cancer n stuff, makes 
‘em cranky.  

From: Josh Luthman 
Sent: Sunday, December 27, 2015 11:23 AM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: This thing on?

Nothing is ever good enough for that damn state.

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Dec 27, 2015 1:23 PM, "Bill Prince"  wrote:

  We need about another 100 trillion...


bp


On 12/27/2015 10:22 AM, Josh Luthman wrote:

I offered you a billion gallons of rain...

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Dec 27, 2015 1:20 PM, "Bill Prince"  wrote:

  I've sent a couple of messages this morning. The show up in my inbox, but 
I'm not seeing them in the AF archive...

  -- 

  bp
  

Re: [AFMUG] OT: DJI Phantom 3 Pro, wireless protocol?

[Josh Luthman]

I've heard the same, should also kick in when the battery is low.

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
On Dec 27, 2015 1:27 PM, "Chuck McCown"  wrote:

> Saw a thing on the interwebs yesterday about how to not crash your drone
> the first time you use it.
> Apparently they have something similar to an E Stop button that turns on
> the autopilot and flies them back to the starting poitn.
>
> *From:* Josh Luthman 
> *Sent:* Sunday, December 27, 2015 11:23 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: DJI Phantom 3 Pro, wireless protocol?
>
>
> FHSS maybe?  Or possibly small channel size since it needs distance, not
> throughput.
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
> On Dec 27, 2015 1:18 PM, "Bill Prince"  wrote:
>
>>
>> My nephew got a new DJI Phantom 3 Pro model drone, and in the process of
>> setting it up, I was trying to find the WiFi frequencies/protocols it was
>> using to communicate between the controller and drone. Nothing showed up in
>> my sniffer, so I wonder if it's using 802.11 at all.
>>
>> The specs (http://wiki.dji.com/en/index.php/Phantom_3_Professional) say
>> it's using 2400-2483 MHz, but is only 100 mW EIRP. They claim 2 KM range,
>> but he lost control of it in his admittedly WiFi congested neighborhood.
>>
>> --
>>
>> bp
>> 
>>
>>

Re: [AFMUG] OT: This thing on?

[Rory Conaway]

I lived in California back in the early 80’s which is when I saw it going 
downhill.

Rory

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Bill Prince
Sent: Sunday, December 27, 2015 11:49 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: This thing on?

haters.



bp




On 12/27/2015 10:48 AM, Rory Conaway wrote:
Wow, truer words have never been spoken.

Rory

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown
Sent: Sunday, December 27, 2015 11:39 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: This thing on?

Yes but only 1 in 10 Californians are true Americans...

(buh du dum tis)


From: Bill Prince
Sent: Sunday, December 27, 2015 11:33 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: This thing on?

1 of 10 Americans are Californians.




bp




On 12/27/2015 10:28 AM, Chuck McCown wrote:
You gotta have compassion for them, with all that extra cancer n stuff, makes 
‘em cranky.

From: Josh Luthman
Sent: Sunday, December 27, 2015 11:23 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: This thing on?


Nothing is ever good enough for that damn state.

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
On Dec 27, 2015 1:23 PM, "Bill Prince" 
> wrote:
We need about another 100 trillion...




bp




On 12/27/2015 10:22 AM, Josh Luthman wrote:

I offered you a billion gallons of rain...

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
On Dec 27, 2015 1:20 PM, "Bill Prince" 
> wrote:
I've sent a couple of messages this morning. The show up in my inbox, but I'm 
not seeing them in the AF archive...

--

bp

Re: [AFMUG] OT: This thing on?

[Jaime Solorza]

Ha
On Dec 27, 2015 12:19 PM, "Bill Prince"  wrote:

> You realize, of course, that most Californians are from the other 49
> states. So you're just pointing your fingers back at yourselves.
>
> Quitters leave and mess up the other states.
>
> bp
> 
>
>
> On 12/27/2015 11:05 AM, Rory Conaway wrote:
>
> I lived in California back in the early 80’s which is when I saw it going
> downhill.
>
>
>
> Rory
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com ] *On
> Behalf Of *Bill Prince
> *Sent:* Sunday, December 27, 2015 11:49 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: This thing on?
>
>
>
> haters.
>
>
> bp
>
> 
>
>
>
> On 12/27/2015 10:48 AM, Rory Conaway wrote:
>
> Wow, truer words have never been spoken.
>
>
>
> Rory
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com ] *On
> Behalf Of *Chuck McCown
> *Sent:* Sunday, December 27, 2015 11:39 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: This thing on?
>
>
>
> Yes but only 1 in 10 Californians are true Americans...
>
>
>
> (buh du dum tis)
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* Bill Prince 
>
> *Sent:* Sunday, December 27, 2015 11:33 AM
>
> *To:* af@afmug.com
>
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: This thing on?
>
>
>
> 1 of 10 Americans are Californians.
>
>
>
> bp
>
> 
>
>
>
> On 12/27/2015 10:28 AM, Chuck McCown wrote:
>
> You gotta have compassion for them, with all that extra cancer n stuff,
> makes ‘em cranky.
>
>
>
> *From:* Josh Luthman 
>
> *Sent:* Sunday, December 27, 2015 11:23 AM
>
> *To:* af@afmug.com
>
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: This thing on?
>
>
>
> Nothing is ever good enough for that damn state.
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
> On Dec 27, 2015 1:23 PM, "Bill Prince"  wrote:
>
> We need about another 100 trillion...
>
>
>
> bp
>
> 
>
>
>
> On 12/27/2015 10:22 AM, Josh Luthman wrote:
>
> I offered you a billion gallons of rain...
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
> On Dec 27, 2015 1:20 PM, "Bill Prince"  wrote:
>
> I've sent a couple of messages this morning. The show up in my inbox, but
> I'm not seeing them in the AF archive...
>
> --
>
> bp
> 
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

[AFMUG] OT: This thing on?

[Bill Prince]

I've sent a couple of messages this morning. The show up in my inbox, 
but I'm not seeing them in the AF archive...


--

bp

Re: [AFMUG] OT: DJI Phantom 3 Pro, wireless protocol?

[Jaime Solorza]

If it used FHSS it would be harder to jam...
On Dec 27, 2015 11:23 AM, "Josh Luthman" 
wrote:

> FHSS maybe?  Or possibly small channel size since it needs distance, not
> throughput.
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
> On Dec 27, 2015 1:18 PM, "Bill Prince"  wrote:
>
>>
>> My nephew got a new DJI Phantom 3 Pro model drone, and in the process of
>> setting it up, I was trying to find the WiFi frequencies/protocols it was
>> using to communicate between the controller and drone. Nothing showed up in
>> my sniffer, so I wonder if it's using 802.11 at all.
>>
>> The specs (http://wiki.dji.com/en/index.php/Phantom_3_Professional) say
>> it's using 2400-2483 MHz, but is only 100 mW EIRP. They claim 2 KM range,
>> but he lost control of it in his admittedly WiFi congested neighborhood.
>>
>> --
>>
>> bp
>> 
>>
>>

Re: [AFMUG] OT: This thing on?

[Bill Prince]

1 of 10 Americans are Californians.

bp


On 12/27/2015 10:28 AM, Chuck McCown wrote:
You gotta have compassion for them, with all that extra cancer n 
stuff, makes ‘em cranky.

*From:* Josh Luthman 
*Sent:* Sunday, December 27, 2015 11:23 AM
*To:* af@afmug.com 
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: This thing on?

Nothing is ever good enough for that damn state.

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Dec 27, 2015 1:23 PM, "Bill Prince" > wrote:


We need about another 100 trillion...

bp


On 12/27/2015 10:22 AM, Josh Luthman wrote:


I offered you a billion gallons of rain...

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340 
Direct: 937-552-2343 
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Dec 27, 2015 1:20 PM, "Bill Prince" > wrote:

I've sent a couple of messages this morning. The show up in
my inbox, but I'm not seeing them in the AF archive...

-- 


bp

Re: [AFMUG] OT: This thing on?

[Bill Prince]

You realize, of course, that most Californians are from the other 49 
states. So you're just pointing your fingers back at yourselves.


Quitters leave and mess up the other states.

bp


On 12/27/2015 11:05 AM, Rory Conaway wrote:


I lived in California back in the early 80’s which is when I saw it 
going downhill.


Rory

*From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Bill Prince
*Sent:* Sunday, December 27, 2015 11:49 AM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: This thing on?

haters.


bp


On 12/27/2015 10:48 AM, Rory Conaway wrote:

Wow, truer words have never been spoken.

Rory

*From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Chuck McCown
*Sent:* Sunday, December 27, 2015 11:39 AM
*To:* af@afmug.com 
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: This thing on?

Yes but only 1 in 10 Californians are true Americans...

(buh du dum tis)

*From:*Bill Prince 

*Sent:*Sunday, December 27, 2015 11:33 AM

*To:*af@afmug.com 

*Subject:*Re: [AFMUG] OT: This thing on?

1 of 10 Americans are Californians.



bp



  


On 12/27/2015 10:28 AM, Chuck McCown wrote:

You gotta have compassion for them, with all that extra cancer
n stuff, makes ‘em cranky.

*From:*Josh Luthman 

*Sent:*Sunday, December 27, 2015 11:23 AM

*To:*af@afmug.com 

*Subject:*Re: [AFMUG] OT: This thing on?

Nothing is ever good enough for that damn state.

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Dec 27, 2015 1:23 PM, "Bill Prince" > wrote:

We need about another 100 trillion...



bp



  


On 12/27/2015 10:22 AM, Josh Luthman wrote:

I offered you a billion gallons of rain...

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340 
Direct: 937-552-2343 
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Dec 27, 2015 1:20 PM, "Bill Prince"
> wrote:

I've sent a couple of messages this morning. The show up
in my inbox, but I'm not seeing them in the AF archive...

-- 


bp

Re: [AFMUG] OT: New Medical Diagnostic Codes in 2015

[Bill Prince]

Just checking...

bp


On 12/27/2015 10:06 AM, Bill Prince wrote:
Science News published this in the latest issue. I'm intrigued by 
V91.07 regarding water skis on fire.

Re: [AFMUG] phone lines for Ethernet transmission

[Colin Stanners]

http://www.netsys-direct.com/product_p/nv-202ekit.htm

The only cheaper option is probably back-to-back SDSL modems from eBay of
the like, which will he slower.
On Dec 27, 2015 2:22 PM, "Chris Herrington"  wrote:

> Did this some years ago, and now I need to do it again—use existing phone
> cabling for Ethernet cabling.
>
>
>
> 100Mbps OK for this application.
>
>
>
> I have seen a couple of solutions but they seem terribly expensive, at
> lease a lot more expensive than I remember.
>
>
>
> Thanks for any help finding these.
>
>
>
> Chris Herrington, PMP, RCDD/OSP Specialist
>
> FCC Lic. # PG-11-19440
>
> [image: cid:image001.jpg@01CE86F2.B9D9CF30]
>
> Full Spectrum Communications
>
> Consulting, Engineering, Installation
>
> Communications & Electrical Contractor #450317
>
> US Mail: PO Box 60905 Irvine CA 92602
>
> Visit us at: 14701 Myford Road, Suite B Tustin, CA  92780
>
> 800-897-7287, 714-897-3789 Chris Cell 714-309-8714
>
> ch...@fsc.com
>
> http://www.fsc.com
>
>
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Lady bug deterrent

[Jeremy]

I use a shop vac.

On Sun, Dec 27, 2015 at 8:00 AM, Jay Weekley 
wrote:

> That's my favorite suggestion.
>
> That One Guy /sarcasm wrote:
>
>>
>> Copious amounts of fire
>>
>> On Dec 26, 2015 11:27 PM, "Jay Weekley" > > wrote:
>>
>> Yeah, good luck.
>>
>> CBB - Jay Fuller wrote:
>>
>> i think we had a problem at jones chapel a year ago or so as
>> well.  clean out box and check to make sure it is sealed tight...
>>
>> - Original Message -
>> *From:* Ken Hohhof > >
>> *To:* af@afmug.com 
>> >
>>
>> *Sent:* Saturday, December 26, 2015 10:51 PM
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Lady bug deterrent
>>
>> Our problems with them peaked about 5 years ago, either a
>> drought
>> year
>> killed off the aphids that the ladybugs feed on, or the latest
>> pesticides on
>> the crops, in any case I don't see that many ladybugs anymore.
>>
>> In fall they look for a place to hibernate for the winter
>> (like
>> inside walls
>> and attics).  They prefer white sunny surfaces.  So put your
>> equipment box
>> on the north side, don't paint it white, and seal up all the
>> cracks where
>> they can get in.  Maybe put some screen or pantyhose over
>> any vent
>> openings.
>> Are these NEMA 4 boxes, or just rainproof?
>>
>> I assume you have the orange Asian variety that bite and
>> stink if
>> you scare
>> them.  If Trump is elected, I expect he will deport them
>> and then
>> build a
>> wall to keep them out.  If you have the native red
>> ladybugs, they
>> are good
>> bugs and you should welcome them and take it as a good
>> omen. Even the
>> orange ones don't eat your stuff or lay eggs, but they squirt
>> smelly liquid
>> if scared.  Most people advise vacuuming them and throwing
>> out the
>> bag.
>> What I hate are the earwigs which leave earwig poop
>> everywhere. We
>> also
>> have trouble with the box elder beetles.
>>
>> Any pesticide would have to be applied where they would
>> die before
>> getting
>> into your box.  Killing them inside the box probably doesn't
>> accomplish
>> anything.
>>
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Jay Weekley
>> Sent: Saturday, December 26, 2015 10:19 PM
>> To: Animal Farm
>> Subject: [AFMUG] Lady bug deterrent
>>
>> Does anyone know of a way to keep lady bugs out of your
>> equipment
>> boxes?  Mothballs?  Flee collars?  Those mosquito
>> repellent bracelets?
>> Oh, Mr. Fuller, we have lady bugs in our equipment box at
>> Helicon.
>>
>>
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] OT: DJI Phantom 3 Pro, wireless protocol?

[Joe Novak]

No other high voltage lines or anything like that right? It makes them act
up too. If it wasn't so windy today it'd be a good day to go fly.

On Sun, Dec 27, 2015 at 12:32 PM, Bill Prince  wrote:

> They call it "auto-home". When you start it up, you calibrate the compass,
> and it records the starting point. Then you're supposed to just push the
> "Home" button, and it is supposed to fly back to that position and hover.
>
> When it started flying off into the distance, he pushed the home button,
> and it cam back, but it was off by 20 feet or so, and it tried to land in a
> tree. Not optimal. he was able to push the "up" control to prevent it from
> actually landing in the tree. However, he was not able to maneuver it to
> the appropriate landing spot.
>
> As I and his other uncle were diving to avoid being hit by the thing, he
> was able to land it on the roof of his house without damaging it.
>
> bp
> 
>
>
> On 12/27/2015 10:26 AM, Chuck McCown wrote:
>
> Saw a thing on the interwebs yesterday about how to not crash your drone
> the first time you use it.
> Apparently they have something similar to an E Stop button that turns on
> the autopilot and flies them back to the starting poitn.
>
> *From:* Josh Luthman 
> *Sent:* Sunday, December 27, 2015 11:23 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: DJI Phantom 3 Pro, wireless protocol?
>
>
> FHSS maybe?  Or possibly small channel size since it needs distance, not
> throughput.
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
> On Dec 27, 2015 1:18 PM, "Bill Prince"  wrote:
>
>>
>> My nephew got a new DJI Phantom 3 Pro model drone, and in the process of
>> setting it up, I was trying to find the WiFi frequencies/protocols it was
>> using to communicate between the controller and drone. Nothing showed up in
>> my sniffer, so I wonder if it's using 802.11 at all.
>>
>> The specs (http://wiki.dji.com/en/index.php/Phantom_3_Professional) say
>> it's using 2400-2483 MHz, but is only 100 mW EIRP. They claim 2 KM range,
>> but he lost control of it in his admittedly WiFi congested neighborhood.
>>
>> --
>>
>> bp
>> 
>>
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] OT: This thing on?

[Rory Conaway]

Many Californians aren’t from other states, they are from other countries.  And 
they didn’t go through a legal process to get there.

Rory

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Bill Prince
Sent: Sunday, December 27, 2015 12:19 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: This thing on?

You realize, of course, that most Californians are from the other 49 states. So 
you're just pointing your fingers back at yourselves.

Quitters leave and mess up the other states.



bp




On 12/27/2015 11:05 AM, Rory Conaway wrote:
I lived in California back in the early 80’s which is when I saw it going 
downhill.

Rory

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Bill Prince
Sent: Sunday, December 27, 2015 11:49 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: This thing on?

haters.




bp




On 12/27/2015 10:48 AM, Rory Conaway wrote:
Wow, truer words have never been spoken.

Rory

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown
Sent: Sunday, December 27, 2015 11:39 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: This thing on?

Yes but only 1 in 10 Californians are true Americans...

(buh du dum tis)


From: Bill Prince
Sent: Sunday, December 27, 2015 11:33 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: This thing on?

1 of 10 Americans are Californians.





bp




On 12/27/2015 10:28 AM, Chuck McCown wrote:
You gotta have compassion for them, with all that extra cancer n stuff, makes 
‘em cranky.

From: Josh Luthman
Sent: Sunday, December 27, 2015 11:23 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: This thing on?


Nothing is ever good enough for that damn state.

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
On Dec 27, 2015 1:23 PM, "Bill Prince" 
> wrote:
We need about another 100 trillion...





bp




On 12/27/2015 10:22 AM, Josh Luthman wrote:

I offered you a billion gallons of rain...

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
On Dec 27, 2015 1:20 PM, "Bill Prince" 
> wrote:
I've sent a couple of messages this morning. The show up in my inbox, but I'm 
not seeing them in the AF archive...

--

bp

Re: [AFMUG] OT: This thing on?

[Jaime Solorza]

This is what happens when I discuss science with two friends of mine who
are on the far right of things boom...
On Dec 27, 2015 5:21 PM, "Chuck McCown"  wrote:

> Yeabut I was talkin’ bout the liberals...
>
> *From:* Rory Conaway 
> *Sent:* Sunday, December 27, 2015 12:32 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: This thing on?
>
>
> Many Californians aren’t from other states, they are from other
> countries.  And they didn’t go through a legal process to get there.
>
>
>
> Rory
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Bill Prince
> *Sent:* Sunday, December 27, 2015 12:19 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: This thing on?
>
>
>
> You realize, of course, that most Californians are from the other 49
> states. So you're just pointing your fingers back at yourselves.
>
> Quitters leave and mess up the other states.
>
>
> bp
>
> 
>
>
>
> On 12/27/2015 11:05 AM, Rory Conaway wrote:
>
> I lived in California back in the early 80’s which is when I saw it going
> downhill.
>
>
>
> Rory
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com ] *On
> Behalf Of *Bill Prince
> *Sent:* Sunday, December 27, 2015 11:49 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: This thing on?
>
>
>
> haters.
>
>
>
> bp
>
> 
>
>
>
> On 12/27/2015 10:48 AM, Rory Conaway wrote:
>
> Wow, truer words have never been spoken.
>
>
>
> Rory
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com ] *On
> Behalf Of *Chuck McCown
> *Sent:* Sunday, December 27, 2015 11:39 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: This thing on?
>
>
>
> Yes but only 1 in 10 Californians are true Americans...
>
>
>
> (buh du dum tis)
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* Bill Prince 
>
> *Sent:* Sunday, December 27, 2015 11:33 AM
>
> *To:* af@afmug.com
>
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: This thing on?
>
>
>
> 1 of 10 Americans are Californians.
>
>
>
>
> bp
>
> 
>
>
>
> On 12/27/2015 10:28 AM, Chuck McCown wrote:
>
> You gotta have compassion for them, with all that extra cancer n stuff,
> makes ‘em cranky.
>
>
>
> *From:* Josh Luthman 
>
> *Sent:* Sunday, December 27, 2015 11:23 AM
>
> *To:* af@afmug.com
>
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: This thing on?
>
>
>
> Nothing is ever good enough for that damn state.
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
> On Dec 27, 2015 1:23 PM, "Bill Prince"  wrote:
>
> We need about another 100 trillion...
>
>
>
>
> bp
>
> 
>
>
>
> On 12/27/2015 10:22 AM, Josh Luthman wrote:
>
> I offered you a billion gallons of rain...
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
> On Dec 27, 2015 1:20 PM, "Bill Prince"  wrote:
>
> I've sent a couple of messages this morning. The show up in my inbox, but
> I'm not seeing them in the AF archive...
>
> --
>
> bp
> 
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] OT: This thing on?

[Glen Waldrop]

If they float then they are made of wood...



From: Ken Hohhof 
Sent: Sunday, December 27, 2015 7:04 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: This thing on?

The problem is, liberals look just like people on the outside.  You need to see 
if they weigh the same as a duck.

From: Chuck McCown 
Sent: Sunday, December 27, 2015 6:21 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: This thing on?

Yeabut I was talkin’ bout the liberals...

From: Rory Conaway 
Sent: Sunday, December 27, 2015 12:32 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: This thing on?

Many Californians aren’t from other states, they are from other countries.  And 
they didn’t go through a legal process to get there.

 

Rory  

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Bill Prince
Sent: Sunday, December 27, 2015 12:19 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: This thing on?

 

You realize, of course, that most Californians are from the other 49 states. So 
you're just pointing your fingers back at yourselves. 

Quitters leave and mess up the other states.




bp On 12/27/2015 11:05 AM, Rory Conaway wrote:

  I lived in California back in the early 80’s which is when I saw it going 
downhill.

   

  Rory

   

  From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Bill Prince
  Sent: Sunday, December 27, 2015 11:49 AM
  To: af@afmug.com
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: This thing on?

   

  haters.





bp On 12/27/2015 10:48 AM, Rory Conaway wrote:

Wow, truer words have never been spoken.

 

Rory

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown
Sent: Sunday, December 27, 2015 11:39 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: This thing on?

 

Yes but only 1 in 10 Californians are true Americans...

 

(buh du dum tis)

 

 

From: Bill Prince 

Sent: Sunday, December 27, 2015 11:33 AM

To: af@afmug.com 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: This thing on?

 

1 of 10 Americans are Californians.






bp On 12/27/2015 10:28 AM, Chuck McCown wrote:

  You gotta have compassion for them, with all that extra cancer n stuff, 
makes ‘em cranky.  

   

  From: Josh Luthman 

  Sent: Sunday, December 27, 2015 11:23 AM

  To: af@afmug.com 

  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: This thing on?

   

  Nothing is ever good enough for that damn state.

  Josh Luthman
  Office: 937-552-2340
  Direct: 937-552-2343
  1100 Wayne St
  Suite 1337
  Troy, OH 45373

  On Dec 27, 2015 1:23 PM, "Bill Prince"  wrote:

  We need about another 100 trillion...






bp On 12/27/2015 10:22 AM, Josh Luthman wrote:

I offered you a billion gallons of rain...

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Dec 27, 2015 1:20 PM, "Bill Prince"  wrote:

I've sent a couple of messages this morning. The show up in my inbox, 
but I'm not seeing them in the AF archive...

-- 

bp


   

 

   

 

[AFMUG] WISP insurance

[Glen Waldrop]

We’ve had another lightning strike, at least the second one this year.

I’ve got this feeling that our insurance company is probably going to start to 
get a little difficult in the near future.

Who do you guys recommend?

I’ve read about a few that cover everything, CPE, tower equipment, towers, 
labor, etc... I imagine those probably cost roughly what we bring in a year, 
but...

Thanks guys.

Re: [AFMUG] WISP insurance

[Craig House]

2 in a year?  We had 7 last night.   

Sent from my iPhone

> On Dec 27, 2015, at 21:22, Glen Waldrop  wrote:
> 
> We’ve had another lightning strike, at least the second one this year.
> 
> I’ve got this feeling that our insurance company is probably going to start 
> to get a little difficult in the near future.
> 
> Who do you guys recommend?
> 
> I’ve read about a few that cover everything, CPE, tower equipment, towers, 
> labor, etc... I imagine those probably cost roughly what we bring in a year, 
> but...
>  
> Thanks guys.
>  
>  

Re: [AFMUG] phone lines for Ethernet transmission

[Glen Waldrop]

My link from my home to my father’s is over burial phone line. Two pair, 
twisted. Does 100Mb FD, or at least it did until we had a mouse chew through it.

I’ve had the correct cable on hand for a decade or more, but the damn thing 
just keeps working. By the time we decide to upgrade we’ll have 802.11ac 
between my house and his and there will be no need for the cable.

I suppose there are some perks to having a son that runs a WISP.



From: Rory Conaway 
Sent: Sunday, December 27, 2015 6:07 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] phone lines for Ethernet transmission

Netsys products work really well.  We have used them for almost 9 years.

 

Rory

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Colin Stanners
Sent: Sunday, December 27, 2015 1:34 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] phone lines for Ethernet transmission

 

http://www.netsys-direct.com/product_p/nv-202ekit.htm

The only cheaper option is probably back-to-back SDSL modems from eBay of the 
like, which will he slower.

On Dec 27, 2015 2:22 PM, "Chris Herrington"  wrote:

Did this some years ago, and now I need to do it again—use existing phone 
cabling for Ethernet cabling.  

 

100Mbps OK for this application.  

 

I have seen a couple of solutions but they seem terribly expensive, at lease a 
lot more expensive than I remember.

 

Thanks for any help finding these.

 

Chris Herrington, PMP, RCDD/OSP Specialist

FCC Lic. # PG-11-19440



Full Spectrum Communications

Consulting, Engineering, Installation

Communications & Electrical Contractor #450317

US Mail: PO Box 60905 Irvine CA 92602

Visit us at: 14701 Myford Road, Suite B Tustin, CA  92780

800-897-7287, 714-897-3789 Chris Cell 714-309-8714

ch...@fsc.com

http://www.fsc.com

 

 

Re: [AFMUG] WISP insurance

[Glen Waldrop]

We only file if it is a complete shutdown. $500 deductible, no sense in 
filing anything below complete tower electronics loss.


We've had more than 2 strikes this year, but only two that completely killed 
the towers. We actually had at least 3 hits since the 23rd. Not sure how 
many customers got fried, lost access to a chunk of my network. I'm building 
in redundancy, already had it scheduled for January once we got another 
tower up.




-Original Message- 
From: Jay Weekley

Sent: Sunday, December 27, 2015 9:56 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] WISP insurance


We did that once for a lightning strike to one tower and after a tornado
and had to find a new provider each time.  I would limit claims to
catastrophic event only and rely on the compassion of your fellow wisps
if necessary
.
Josh Luthman wrote:


Never made a claim for equipment...

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Dec 27, 2015 10:22 PM, "Glen Waldrop" > wrote:


We’ve had another lightning strike, at least the second one this year.

I’ve got this feeling that our insurance company is probably going
to start to get a little difficult in the near future.

Who do you guys recommend?

I’ve read about a few that cover everything, CPE, tower equipment,
towers, labor, etc... I imagine those probably cost roughly what
we bring in a year, but...
Thanks guys.

Re: [AFMUG] WISP insurance

[Josh Luthman]

Never made a claim for equipment...

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
On Dec 27, 2015 10:22 PM, "Glen Waldrop"  wrote:

> We’ve had another lightning strike, at least the second one this year.
>
> I’ve got this feeling that our insurance company is probably going to
> start to get a little difficult in the near future.
>
> Who do you guys recommend?
>
> I’ve read about a few that cover everything, CPE, tower equipment, towers,
> labor, etc... I imagine those probably cost roughly what we bring in a
> year, but...
>
> Thanks guys.
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] OT: This thing on?

[Ken Hohhof]

You got better?

From: Jaime Solorza 
Sent: Sunday, December 27, 2015 10:01 PM
To: Animal Farm 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: This thing on?

She turned me into a newt..

On Dec 27, 2015 8:20 PM, "Glen Waldrop"  wrote:

  If they float then they are made of wood...



  From: Ken Hohhof 
  Sent: Sunday, December 27, 2015 7:04 PM
  To: af@afmug.com 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: This thing on?

  The problem is, liberals look just like people on the outside.  You need to 
see if they weigh the same as a duck.

  From: Chuck McCown 
  Sent: Sunday, December 27, 2015 6:21 PM
  To: af@afmug.com 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: This thing on?

  Yeabut I was talkin’ bout the liberals...

  From: Rory Conaway 
  Sent: Sunday, December 27, 2015 12:32 PM
  To: af@afmug.com 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: This thing on?

  Many Californians aren’t from other states, they are from other countries.  
And they didn’t go through a legal process to get there.



  Rory  



  From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Bill Prince
  Sent: Sunday, December 27, 2015 12:19 PM
  To: af@afmug.com
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: This thing on?



  You realize, of course, that most Californians are from the other 49 states. 
So you're just pointing your fingers back at yourselves. 

  Quitters leave and mess up the other states.




bp On 12/27/2015 11:05 AM, Rory Conaway wrote:

I lived in California back in the early 80’s which is when I saw it going 
downhill.



Rory



From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Bill Prince
Sent: Sunday, December 27, 2015 11:49 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: This thing on?



haters.





bp On 12/27/2015 10:48 AM, Rory Conaway wrote:

  Wow, truer words have never been spoken.



  Rory



  From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown
  Sent: Sunday, December 27, 2015 11:39 AM
  To: af@afmug.com
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: This thing on?



  Yes but only 1 in 10 Californians are true Americans...



  (buh du dum tis)





  From: Bill Prince 

  Sent: Sunday, December 27, 2015 11:33 AM

  To: af@afmug.com 

  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: This thing on?



  1 of 10 Americans are Californians.






bp On 12/27/2015 10:28 AM, Chuck McCown wrote:

You gotta have compassion for them, with all that extra cancer n stuff, 
makes ‘em cranky.  



From: Josh Luthman 

Sent: Sunday, December 27, 2015 11:23 AM

To: af@afmug.com 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: This thing on?



Nothing is ever good enough for that damn state.

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Dec 27, 2015 1:23 PM, "Bill Prince"  wrote:

We need about another 100 trillion...






bp On 12/27/2015 10:22 AM, Josh Luthman wrote:

  I offered you a billion gallons of rain...

  Josh Luthman
  Office: 937-552-2340
  Direct: 937-552-2343
  1100 Wayne St
  Suite 1337
  Troy, OH 45373

  On Dec 27, 2015 1:20 PM, "Bill Prince"  wrote:

  I've sent a couple of messages this morning. The show up in my inbox, 
but I'm not seeing them in the AF archive...

  -- 

  bp
  

Re: [AFMUG] OT: This thing on?

[Chuck McCown]

The far right and the far left meet at the bottom of the circle.  I like to 
troll both...

From: Jaime Solorza 
Sent: Sunday, December 27, 2015 5:51 PM
To: Animal Farm 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: This thing on?

This is what happens when I discuss science with two friends of mine who are on 
the far right of things boom...

On Dec 27, 2015 5:21 PM, "Chuck McCown"  wrote:

  Yeabut I was talkin’ bout the liberals...

  From: Rory Conaway 
  Sent: Sunday, December 27, 2015 12:32 PM
  To: af@afmug.com 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: This thing on?

  Many Californians aren’t from other states, they are from other countries.  
And they didn’t go through a legal process to get there.



  Rory  



  From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Bill Prince
  Sent: Sunday, December 27, 2015 12:19 PM
  To: af@afmug.com
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: This thing on?



  You realize, of course, that most Californians are from the other 49 states. 
So you're just pointing your fingers back at yourselves. 

  Quitters leave and mess up the other states.




bp On 12/27/2015 11:05 AM, Rory Conaway wrote:

I lived in California back in the early 80’s which is when I saw it going 
downhill.



Rory



From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Bill Prince
Sent: Sunday, December 27, 2015 11:49 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: This thing on?



haters.





bp On 12/27/2015 10:48 AM, Rory Conaway wrote:

  Wow, truer words have never been spoken.



  Rory



  From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown
  Sent: Sunday, December 27, 2015 11:39 AM
  To: af@afmug.com
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: This thing on?



  Yes but only 1 in 10 Californians are true Americans...



  (buh du dum tis)





  From: Bill Prince 

  Sent: Sunday, December 27, 2015 11:33 AM

  To: af@afmug.com 

  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: This thing on?



  1 of 10 Americans are Californians.






bp On 12/27/2015 10:28 AM, Chuck McCown wrote:

You gotta have compassion for them, with all that extra cancer n stuff, 
makes ‘em cranky.  



From: Josh Luthman 

Sent: Sunday, December 27, 2015 11:23 AM

To: af@afmug.com 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: This thing on?



Nothing is ever good enough for that damn state.

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Dec 27, 2015 1:23 PM, "Bill Prince"  wrote:

We need about another 100 trillion...






bp On 12/27/2015 10:22 AM, Josh Luthman wrote:

  I offered you a billion gallons of rain...

  Josh Luthman
  Office: 937-552-2340
  Direct: 937-552-2343
  1100 Wayne St
  Suite 1337
  Troy, OH 45373

  On Dec 27, 2015 1:20 PM, "Bill Prince"  wrote:

  I've sent a couple of messages this morning. The show up in my inbox, 
but I'm not seeing them in the AF archive...

  -- 

  bp
  

Re: [AFMUG] OT: This thing on?

[Ken Hohhof]

The problem is, liberals look just like people on the outside.  You need to see 
if they weigh the same as a duck.

From: Chuck McCown 
Sent: Sunday, December 27, 2015 6:21 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: This thing on?

Yeabut I was talkin’ bout the liberals...

From: Rory Conaway 
Sent: Sunday, December 27, 2015 12:32 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: This thing on?

Many Californians aren’t from other states, they are from other countries.  And 
they didn’t go through a legal process to get there.

 

Rory  

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Bill Prince
Sent: Sunday, December 27, 2015 12:19 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: This thing on?

 

You realize, of course, that most Californians are from the other 49 states. So 
you're just pointing your fingers back at yourselves. 

Quitters leave and mess up the other states.




bp On 12/27/2015 11:05 AM, Rory Conaway wrote:

  I lived in California back in the early 80’s which is when I saw it going 
downhill.

   

  Rory

   

  From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Bill Prince
  Sent: Sunday, December 27, 2015 11:49 AM
  To: af@afmug.com
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: This thing on?

   

  haters.





bp On 12/27/2015 10:48 AM, Rory Conaway wrote:

Wow, truer words have never been spoken.

 

Rory

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown
Sent: Sunday, December 27, 2015 11:39 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: This thing on?

 

Yes but only 1 in 10 Californians are true Americans...

 

(buh du dum tis)

 

 

From: Bill Prince 

Sent: Sunday, December 27, 2015 11:33 AM

To: af@afmug.com 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: This thing on?

 

1 of 10 Americans are Californians.






bp On 12/27/2015 10:28 AM, Chuck McCown wrote:

  You gotta have compassion for them, with all that extra cancer n stuff, 
makes ‘em cranky.  

   

  From: Josh Luthman 

  Sent: Sunday, December 27, 2015 11:23 AM

  To: af@afmug.com 

  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: This thing on?

   

  Nothing is ever good enough for that damn state.

  Josh Luthman
  Office: 937-552-2340
  Direct: 937-552-2343
  1100 Wayne St
  Suite 1337
  Troy, OH 45373

  On Dec 27, 2015 1:23 PM, "Bill Prince"  wrote:

  We need about another 100 trillion...






bp On 12/27/2015 10:22 AM, Josh Luthman wrote:

I offered you a billion gallons of rain...

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Dec 27, 2015 1:20 PM, "Bill Prince"  wrote:

I've sent a couple of messages this morning. The show up in my inbox, 
but I'm not seeing them in the AF archive...

-- 

bp


   

 

   

 

Re: [AFMUG] OT: This thing on?

[Chuck McCown]

I once had an employee become a US citizen.  We  threw him a party.  He started 
asking me about voting and parties and what the difference was.  He was from 
Guatemala.  This was in the mid 1980s.  It ended up with me saying that I think 
the Republicans were more business friendly and the Democrats were more social 
program friendly and left it at that.  I really did not want to proselytize a 
brand new citizen.  I just wanted to celebrate him surviving the escape from a 
nasty group of people that wanted him dead.  Hopeful he could enjoy just being 
a citizen for a while before he picked sides.  

From: Ken Hohhof 
Sent: Sunday, December 27, 2015 6:04 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: This thing on?

The problem is, liberals look just like people on the outside.  You need to see 
if they weigh the same as a duck.

From: Chuck McCown 
Sent: Sunday, December 27, 2015 6:21 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: This thing on?

Yeabut I was talkin’ bout the liberals...

From: Rory Conaway 
Sent: Sunday, December 27, 2015 12:32 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: This thing on?

Many Californians aren’t from other states, they are from other countries.  And 
they didn’t go through a legal process to get there.

 

Rory  

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Bill Prince
Sent: Sunday, December 27, 2015 12:19 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: This thing on?

 

You realize, of course, that most Californians are from the other 49 states. So 
you're just pointing your fingers back at yourselves. 

Quitters leave and mess up the other states.




bp On 12/27/2015 11:05 AM, Rory Conaway wrote:

  I lived in California back in the early 80’s which is when I saw it going 
downhill.

   

  Rory

   

  From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Bill Prince
  Sent: Sunday, December 27, 2015 11:49 AM
  To: af@afmug.com
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: This thing on?

   

  haters.





bp On 12/27/2015 10:48 AM, Rory Conaway wrote:

Wow, truer words have never been spoken.

 

Rory

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown
Sent: Sunday, December 27, 2015 11:39 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: This thing on?

 

Yes but only 1 in 10 Californians are true Americans...

 

(buh du dum tis)

 

 

From: Bill Prince 

Sent: Sunday, December 27, 2015 11:33 AM

To: af@afmug.com 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: This thing on?

 

1 of 10 Americans are Californians.






bp On 12/27/2015 10:28 AM, Chuck McCown wrote:

  You gotta have compassion for them, with all that extra cancer n stuff, 
makes ‘em cranky.  

   

  From: Josh Luthman 

  Sent: Sunday, December 27, 2015 11:23 AM

  To: af@afmug.com 

  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: This thing on?

   

  Nothing is ever good enough for that damn state.

  Josh Luthman
  Office: 937-552-2340
  Direct: 937-552-2343
  1100 Wayne St
  Suite 1337
  Troy, OH 45373

  On Dec 27, 2015 1:23 PM, "Bill Prince"  wrote:

  We need about another 100 trillion...






bp On 12/27/2015 10:22 AM, Josh Luthman wrote:

I offered you a billion gallons of rain...

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Dec 27, 2015 1:20 PM, "Bill Prince"  wrote:

I've sent a couple of messages this morning. The show up in my inbox, 
but I'm not seeing them in the AF archive...

-- 

bp


   

 

   

 

Re: [AFMUG] new lake - filled in one day

[Jay Weekley]

I think the total was 8 inches in one day with more to come. We have it to 
spare.

On December 27, 2015 11:09:56 AM CST, Bill Prince  wrote:
>Feel free to send any excess water to California...
>
>bp
>
>
>On 12/26/2015 1:08 PM, CBB - Jay Fuller wrote:
>> This is a 2nd water reservoir for our county.  Under construction for
>
>> two years.  They finished construction like the 23rd.
>> It is now like six feet under full pool. One day.  New name?  
>> Christmas Lake!
>> Oh, and the electric company didn't get their lines moved in time  
>> (since they didn't expect it to fill up in one day...
>> oops!!
>> like half the county is now without power
>>
>> - Original Message -
>> *From:* CBB - Jay Fuller 
>> *To:* af@afmug.com 
>> *Sent:* Saturday, December 26, 2015 2:48 PM
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] floodingtornadoesand a high of 76
>>
>> so far so good on our network, one tower outage, another radio
>> being used as a repeater down on another network -
>> we assume both were water affecting the radio in some how (i mean
>> we just finished a new dam , 2nd water reservoir, and it fulled
>up
>> in like ONE DAY)
>>
>> - Original Message -
>> *From:* Jaime Solorza 
>> *To:* Animal Farm 
>> *Sent:* Saturday, December 26, 2015 9:39 AM
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] floodingtornadoesand a high of
>76
>>
>> How you holding up?
>>
>> On Dec 25, 2015 10:03 PM, "Jaime Solorza"
>> >
>> wrote:
>>
>> 24 reported tornadoes today
>>
>> On Dec 25, 2015 10:00 PM, "Jaime Solorza"
>> > > wrote:
>>
>> Wow
>>
>> On Dec 25, 2015 9:43 PM, "CBB - Jay Fuller"
>> > > wrote:
>>
>> Merry Christmas!
>> So - this picture is where the office / headend
>of
>> a network we purchased two years ago used to be. 
>> Behind the restaurant on the right side of the
>> picture, where the end of the building is and
>> turns around towards a backwards "l" shape
>> (i'll circle it in the photo)
>> Was talking to the guy who sold to us on facebook
>> tonight - - talk about he is glad he's not in
>that
>> building anymore!!
>>

-- 
Sent from my Android device with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity.

Re: [AFMUG] Airfiber 24 HD

[Brian Sullivan]

The latest firmware for the AF series (all models) now calculates the 
expected signal level it's on the Main screen of the GUI as "Ideal".

It uses the GPS data to calculate FSL and assumes clear LOS.

On 12/26/2015 11:46 AM, Sterling Jacobson wrote:

Ok, cool.

-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chris Herrington
Sent: Saturday, December 26, 2015 10:34 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Airfiber 24 HD

Little late response

http://wisptools.net/tools-linkbudget.php  works really well, just remember it 
uses EIRP as transmit power with 0 dBm transmit power

RX = 38 gain,  TX = 33 gain

Chris Herrington, PMP, RCDD/OSP Specialist FCC Lic. # PG-11-19440

Full Spectrum Communications
Consulting, Engineering, Installation
Communications & Electrical Contractor #450317 US Mail: PO Box 60905 Irvine CA 
92602 Visit us at: 14701 Myford Road, Suite B Tustin, CA  92780 800-897-7287, 
714-897-3789 Chris Cell 714-309-8714 ch...@fsc.com http://www.fsc.com




-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Sterling Jacobson
Sent: Thursday, October 29, 2015 3:00 PM
To: 'af@afmug.com'
Subject: [AFMUG] Airfiber 24 HD

Is there a good link estimation utility for the Airfiber 24 HD?

I like the UBNT online link calculator, but it doesn't work with 24Ghz?

This is the link I just put up, shouldn't the chains all be about equal dB?
What does it mean when the second chain is so much different from the first on 
these units?

Don't even know if the dB is dialed in at this range :(

Re: [AFMUG] Airfiber 24 HD

[Sterling Jacobson]

Oh, ok, that's even better!



-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Brian Sullivan
Sent: Sunday, December 27, 2015 5:50 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Airfiber 24 HD

The latest firmware for the AF series (all models) now calculates the expected 
signal level it's on the Main screen of the GUI as "Ideal".
It uses the GPS data to calculate FSL and assumes clear LOS.

On 12/26/2015 11:46 AM, Sterling Jacobson wrote:
> Ok, cool.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chris Herrington
> Sent: Saturday, December 26, 2015 10:34 AM
> To: af@afmug.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Airfiber 24 HD
>
> Little late response
>
> http://wisptools.net/tools-linkbudget.php  works really well, just 
> remember it uses EIRP as transmit power with 0 dBm transmit power
>
> RX = 38 gain,  TX = 33 gain
>
> Chris Herrington, PMP, RCDD/OSP Specialist FCC Lic. # PG-11-19440
>
> Full Spectrum Communications
> Consulting, Engineering, Installation
> Communications & Electrical Contractor #450317 US Mail: PO Box 60905 
> Irvine CA 92602 Visit us at: 14701 Myford Road, Suite B Tustin, CA  
> 92780 800-897-7287, 714-897-3789 Chris Cell 714-309-8714 ch...@fsc.com 
> http://www.fsc.com
>
>
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Sterling Jacobson
> Sent: Thursday, October 29, 2015 3:00 PM
> To: 'af@afmug.com'
> Subject: [AFMUG] Airfiber 24 HD
>
> Is there a good link estimation utility for the Airfiber 24 HD?
>
> I like the UBNT online link calculator, but it doesn't work with 24Ghz?
>
> This is the link I just put up, shouldn't the chains all be about equal dB?
> What does it mean when the second chain is so much different from the first 
> on these units?
>
> Don't even know if the dB is dialed in at this range :(
>

Re: [AFMUG] WISP insurance

[Jay Weekley]

We did that once for a lightning strike to one tower and after a tornado 
and had to find a new provider each time.  I would limit claims to 
catastrophic event only and rely on the compassion of your fellow wisps 
if necessary

.
Josh Luthman wrote:


Never made a claim for equipment...

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Dec 27, 2015 10:22 PM, "Glen Waldrop" > wrote:


We’ve had another lightning strike, at least the second one this year.

I’ve got this feeling that our insurance company is probably going
to start to get a little difficult in the near future.

Who do you guys recommend?

I’ve read about a few that cover everything, CPE, tower equipment,
towers, labor, etc... I imagine those probably cost roughly what
we bring in a year, but...
Thanks guys.

Re: [AFMUG] WISP insurance

[Glen Waldrop]

Thanks.

Normally I have at least an entire tower’s worth of equipment on hand, but I’ve 
been phasing out my old equipment and upgrading to 802.11n. Keep having to 
replace something, so spare parts are a tad lean at the moment.

Parts on the UPS truck. They’ll probably be here long before the weather will 
allow us to climb for any decent amount of time. Looking at replacing three 
point to point feeds and my main 2GHz/5GHz MT AP, antennas and all.

My primary climber is down with a broken heel due to a slight tower falling, 
(not mine), so we’re training a new climber as well. Have to allocate more time.

On the upside, it was second in line to be upgraded. Now the insurance company 
will help cover at least a portion of that.



From: Jaime Solorza 
Sent: Sunday, December 27, 2015 10:00 PM
To: Animal Farm 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] WISP insurance

Let's us know if you need gear to get back up...

On Dec 27, 2015 8:22 PM, "Glen Waldrop"  wrote:

  We’ve had another lightning strike, at least the second one this year.

  I’ve got this feeling that our insurance company is probably going to start 
to get a little difficult in the near future.

  Who do you guys recommend?

  I’ve read about a few that cover everything, CPE, tower equipment, towers, 
labor, etc... I imagine those probably cost roughly what we bring in a year, 
but...

  Thanks guys.

Re: [AFMUG] phone lines for Ethernet transmission

[Rory Conaway]

Netsys products work really well.  We have used them for almost 9 years.

Rory

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Colin Stanners
Sent: Sunday, December 27, 2015 1:34 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] phone lines for Ethernet transmission


http://www.netsys-direct.com/product_p/nv-202ekit.htm

The only cheaper option is probably back-to-back SDSL modems from eBay of the 
like, which will he slower.
On Dec 27, 2015 2:22 PM, "Chris Herrington" 
> wrote:
Did this some years ago, and now I need to do it again—use existing phone 
cabling for Ethernet cabling.

100Mbps OK for this application.

I have seen a couple of solutions but they seem terribly expensive, at lease a 
lot more expensive than I remember.

Thanks for any help finding these.

Chris Herrington, PMP, RCDD/OSP Specialist
FCC Lic. # PG-11-19440
[cid:image001.jpg@01CE86F2.B9D9CF30]
Full Spectrum Communications
Consulting, Engineering, Installation
Communications & Electrical Contractor #450317
US Mail: PO Box 60905 Irvine CA 92602
Visit us at: 14701 Myford Road, Suite B Tustin, CA  92780
800-897-7287, 714-897-3789 Chris Cell 
714-309-8714
ch...@fsc.com
http://www.fsc.com

Re: [AFMUG] OT: This thing on?

[Chuck McCown]

Yeabut I was talkin’ bout the liberals...

From: Rory Conaway 
Sent: Sunday, December 27, 2015 12:32 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: This thing on?

Many Californians aren’t from other states, they are from other countries.  And 
they didn’t go through a legal process to get there.

 

Rory  

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Bill Prince
Sent: Sunday, December 27, 2015 12:19 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: This thing on?

 

You realize, of course, that most Californians are from the other 49 states. So 
you're just pointing your fingers back at yourselves. 

Quitters leave and mess up the other states.




bp On 12/27/2015 11:05 AM, Rory Conaway wrote:

  I lived in California back in the early 80’s which is when I saw it going 
downhill.

   

  Rory

   

  From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Bill Prince
  Sent: Sunday, December 27, 2015 11:49 AM
  To: af@afmug.com
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: This thing on?

   

  haters.





bp On 12/27/2015 10:48 AM, Rory Conaway wrote:

Wow, truer words have never been spoken.

 

Rory

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown
Sent: Sunday, December 27, 2015 11:39 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: This thing on?

 

Yes but only 1 in 10 Californians are true Americans...

 

(buh du dum tis)

 

 

From: Bill Prince 

Sent: Sunday, December 27, 2015 11:33 AM

To: af@afmug.com 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: This thing on?

 

1 of 10 Americans are Californians.






bp On 12/27/2015 10:28 AM, Chuck McCown wrote:

  You gotta have compassion for them, with all that extra cancer n stuff, 
makes ‘em cranky.  

   

  From: Josh Luthman 

  Sent: Sunday, December 27, 2015 11:23 AM

  To: af@afmug.com 

  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: This thing on?

   

  Nothing is ever good enough for that damn state.

  Josh Luthman
  Office: 937-552-2340
  Direct: 937-552-2343
  1100 Wayne St
  Suite 1337
  Troy, OH 45373

  On Dec 27, 2015 1:23 PM, "Bill Prince"  wrote:

  We need about another 100 trillion...






bp On 12/27/2015 10:22 AM, Josh Luthman wrote:

I offered you a billion gallons of rain...

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Dec 27, 2015 1:20 PM, "Bill Prince"  wrote:

I've sent a couple of messages this morning. The show up in my inbox, 
but I'm not seeing them in the AF archive...

-- 

bp


   

 

   

 

Re: [AFMUG] OT: This thing on?

[Josh Reynolds]

Aye carumba
On Dec 27, 2015 10:01 PM, "Jaime Solorza"  wrote:

> She turned me into a newt..
> On Dec 27, 2015 8:20 PM, "Glen Waldrop"  wrote:
>
>> If they float then they are made of wood...
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Ken Hohhof 
>> *Sent:* Sunday, December 27, 2015 7:04 PM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: This thing on?
>>
>> The problem is, liberals look just like people on the outside.  You need
>> to see if they weigh the same as a duck.
>>
>> *From:* Chuck McCown 
>> *Sent:* Sunday, December 27, 2015 6:21 PM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: This thing on?
>>
>> Yeabut I was talkin’ bout the liberals...
>>
>> *From:* Rory Conaway 
>> *Sent:* Sunday, December 27, 2015 12:32 PM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: This thing on?
>>
>>
>> Many Californians aren’t from other states, they are from other
>> countries.  And they didn’t go through a legal process to get there.
>>
>>
>>
>> Rory
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Bill Prince
>> *Sent:* Sunday, December 27, 2015 12:19 PM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: This thing on?
>>
>>
>>
>> You realize, of course, that most Californians are from the other 49
>> states. So you're just pointing your fingers back at yourselves.
>>
>> Quitters leave and mess up the other states.
>>
>>
>> bp
>>
>> 
>>
>>
>>
>> On 12/27/2015 11:05 AM, Rory Conaway wrote:
>>
>> I lived in California back in the early 80’s which is when I saw it going
>> downhill.
>>
>>
>>
>> Rory
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com ] *On
>> Behalf Of *Bill Prince
>> *Sent:* Sunday, December 27, 2015 11:49 AM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: This thing on?
>>
>>
>>
>> haters.
>>
>>
>>
>> bp
>>
>> 
>>
>>
>>
>> On 12/27/2015 10:48 AM, Rory Conaway wrote:
>>
>> Wow, truer words have never been spoken.
>>
>>
>>
>> Rory
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com ] *On
>> Behalf Of *Chuck McCown
>> *Sent:* Sunday, December 27, 2015 11:39 AM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: This thing on?
>>
>>
>>
>> Yes but only 1 in 10 Californians are true Americans...
>>
>>
>>
>> (buh du dum tis)
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Bill Prince 
>>
>> *Sent:* Sunday, December 27, 2015 11:33 AM
>>
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>>
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: This thing on?
>>
>>
>>
>> 1 of 10 Americans are Californians.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> bp
>>
>> 
>>
>>
>>
>> On 12/27/2015 10:28 AM, Chuck McCown wrote:
>>
>> You gotta have compassion for them, with all that extra cancer n stuff,
>> makes ‘em cranky.
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Josh Luthman 
>>
>> *Sent:* Sunday, December 27, 2015 11:23 AM
>>
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>>
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: This thing on?
>>
>>
>>
>> Nothing is ever good enough for that damn state.
>>
>> Josh Luthman
>> Office: 937-552-2340
>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>> 1100 Wayne St
>> Suite 1337
>> Troy, OH 45373
>>
>> On Dec 27, 2015 1:23 PM, "Bill Prince"  wrote:
>>
>> We need about another 100 trillion...
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> bp
>>
>> 
>>
>>
>>
>> On 12/27/2015 10:22 AM, Josh Luthman wrote:
>>
>> I offered you a billion gallons of rain...
>>
>> Josh Luthman
>> Office: 937-552-2340
>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>> 1100 Wayne St
>> Suite 1337
>> Troy, OH 45373
>>
>> On Dec 27, 2015 1:20 PM, "Bill Prince"  wrote:
>>
>> I've sent a couple of messages this morning. The show up in my inbox, but
>> I'm not seeing them in the AF archive...
>>
>> --
>>
>> bp
>> 
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] WISP insurance

[George Skorup]

I'd have to ask the boss, but I think we're with Hartford. It's a per 
incident deductible. So if a storm comes through and takes out 10 
towers, we pay once. Right now we only have core sites and any others 
with more than $5k worth of gear on it. And yes, generally, it's only 
used if we lose 50-100% (in cost) of the gear at a site. I won't 
publicly say in $ how much gear we have insured, but I believe the 
policy costs us under $3k/yr. When you have say $20k worth of licensed 
gear at a site, a couple $k/yr just makes sense.


On 12/27/2015 10:13 PM, Glen Waldrop wrote:

Thanks.

Normally I have at least an entire tower’s worth of equipment on hand, 
but I’ve been phasing out my old equipment and upgrading to 802.11n. 
Keep having to replace something, so spare parts are a tad lean at the 
moment.
Parts on the UPS truck. They’ll probably be here long before the 
weather will allow us to climb for any decent amount of time. Looking 
at replacing three point to point feeds and my main 2GHz/5GHz MT AP, 
antennas and all.


My primary climber is down with a broken heel due to a slight tower 
falling, (not mine), so we’re training a new climber as well. Have to 
allocate more time.
On the upside, it was second in line to be upgraded. Now the insurance 
company will help cover at least a portion of that.

*From:* Jaime Solorza 
*Sent:* Sunday, December 27, 2015 10:00 PM
*To:* Animal Farm 
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] WISP insurance

Let's us know if you need gear to get back up...

On Dec 27, 2015 8:22 PM, "Glen Waldrop" > wrote:


We’ve had another lightning strike, at least the second one this year.

I’ve got this feeling that our insurance company is probably going
to start to get a little difficult in the near future.

Who do you guys recommend?

I’ve read about a few that cover everything, CPE, tower equipment,
towers, labor, etc... I imagine those probably cost roughly what
we bring in a year, but...
Thanks guys.

Re: [AFMUG] OT: This thing on?

[Jaime Solorza]

She turned me into a newt..
On Dec 27, 2015 8:20 PM, "Glen Waldrop"  wrote:

> If they float then they are made of wood...
>
>
>
> *From:* Ken Hohhof 
> *Sent:* Sunday, December 27, 2015 7:04 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: This thing on?
>
> The problem is, liberals look just like people on the outside.  You need
> to see if they weigh the same as a duck.
>
> *From:* Chuck McCown 
> *Sent:* Sunday, December 27, 2015 6:21 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: This thing on?
>
> Yeabut I was talkin’ bout the liberals...
>
> *From:* Rory Conaway 
> *Sent:* Sunday, December 27, 2015 12:32 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: This thing on?
>
>
> Many Californians aren’t from other states, they are from other
> countries.  And they didn’t go through a legal process to get there.
>
>
>
> Rory
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Bill Prince
> *Sent:* Sunday, December 27, 2015 12:19 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: This thing on?
>
>
>
> You realize, of course, that most Californians are from the other 49
> states. So you're just pointing your fingers back at yourselves.
>
> Quitters leave and mess up the other states.
>
>
> bp
>
> 
>
>
>
> On 12/27/2015 11:05 AM, Rory Conaway wrote:
>
> I lived in California back in the early 80’s which is when I saw it going
> downhill.
>
>
>
> Rory
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com ] *On
> Behalf Of *Bill Prince
> *Sent:* Sunday, December 27, 2015 11:49 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: This thing on?
>
>
>
> haters.
>
>
>
> bp
>
> 
>
>
>
> On 12/27/2015 10:48 AM, Rory Conaway wrote:
>
> Wow, truer words have never been spoken.
>
>
>
> Rory
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com ] *On
> Behalf Of *Chuck McCown
> *Sent:* Sunday, December 27, 2015 11:39 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: This thing on?
>
>
>
> Yes but only 1 in 10 Californians are true Americans...
>
>
>
> (buh du dum tis)
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* Bill Prince 
>
> *Sent:* Sunday, December 27, 2015 11:33 AM
>
> *To:* af@afmug.com
>
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: This thing on?
>
>
>
> 1 of 10 Americans are Californians.
>
>
>
>
> bp
>
> 
>
>
>
> On 12/27/2015 10:28 AM, Chuck McCown wrote:
>
> You gotta have compassion for them, with all that extra cancer n stuff,
> makes ‘em cranky.
>
>
>
> *From:* Josh Luthman 
>
> *Sent:* Sunday, December 27, 2015 11:23 AM
>
> *To:* af@afmug.com
>
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: This thing on?
>
>
>
> Nothing is ever good enough for that damn state.
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
> On Dec 27, 2015 1:23 PM, "Bill Prince"  wrote:
>
> We need about another 100 trillion...
>
>
>
>
> bp
>
> 
>
>
>
> On 12/27/2015 10:22 AM, Josh Luthman wrote:
>
> I offered you a billion gallons of rain...
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
> On Dec 27, 2015 1:20 PM, "Bill Prince"  wrote:
>
> I've sent a couple of messages this morning. The show up in my inbox, but
> I'm not seeing them in the AF archive...
>
> --
>
> bp
> 
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] WISP insurance

[Jaime Solorza]

Let's us know if you need gear to get back up...
On Dec 27, 2015 8:22 PM, "Glen Waldrop"  wrote:

> We’ve had another lightning strike, at least the second one this year.
>
> I’ve got this feeling that our insurance company is probably going to
> start to get a little difficult in the near future.
>
> Who do you guys recommend?
>
> I’ve read about a few that cover everything, CPE, tower equipment, towers,
> labor, etc... I imagine those probably cost roughly what we bring in a
> year, but...
>
> Thanks guys.
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] flooding....tornadoes....and a high of 76

[Lewis Bergman]

Sleet pummeled everything last night. Yesterday afternoon it was muggy and
68. Front blew in, sleet, now 35. Seems like Jaime's really cold stuff is
still one county to the NW.

On Sun, Dec 27, 2015, 1:02 AM That One Guy /sarcasm <
thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote:

> In Illinois the weather is called wintery mix because they can't say grab
> your ankles. I get pissed about a lot of thing with my current position,
> but getting to stay inside on those days is definetly not one of them
> On Dec 26, 2015 8:20 PM, "Jaime Solorza" 
> wrote:
>
>> Stetson and few others make replica of Tom Laughlins version.  The bead
>> work is credited as Dineh' but I don't know.  My hat band is Mescalero
>> Apache.   Hope to pick up some new one on my way to Sedona next week...
>>
> On Dec 26, 2015 7:09 PM, "Jaime Solorza" 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> His was different style
>>> On Dec 26, 2015 7:04 PM, "Jay Weekley" 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Billy Jack.

 On December 26, 2015 7:33:49 PM CST, Jaime Solorza <
 losguyswirel...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Thanks...its from Hunter Club series... here's my dressier one
> On Dec 26, 2015 6:27 PM, "Ken Hohhof"  wrote:
>
>> Well, that is not good.
>>
>> We’re supposed to have that Monday.  Forecasts say things like
>> “wintry mix” and “ice pellets”.  And wind.
>>
>> Nice hat.
>>
>>
>> *From:* Jaime Solorza 
>> *Sent:* Saturday, December 26, 2015 7:04 PM
>> *To:* Animal Farm 
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] floodingtornadoesand a high of 76
>>
>>
>> Storm started... my hat iced uphome now safe
>> On Dec 26, 2015 1:48 PM, "CBB - Jay Fuller" <
>> par...@cyberbroadband.net> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> so far so good on our network, one tower outage, another radio being
>>> used as a repeater down on another network -
>>> we assume both were water affecting the radio in some how (i mean we
>>> just finished a new dam , 2nd water reservoir, and it fulled up in like 
>>> ONE
>>> DAY)
>>>
>>>
>>> - Original Message -
>>> *From:* Jaime Solorza 
>>> *To:* Animal Farm 
>>> *Sent:* Saturday, December 26, 2015 9:39 AM
>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] floodingtornadoesand a high of 76
>>>
>>>
>>> How you holding up?
>>> On Dec 25, 2015 10:03 PM, "Jaime Solorza" 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 24 reported tornadoes today
 On Dec 25, 2015 10:00 PM, "Jaime Solorza" <
 losguyswirel...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Wow
> On Dec 25, 2015 9:43 PM, "CBB - Jay Fuller" <
> par...@cyberbroadband.net> wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> Merry Christmas!
>>
>> So - this picture is where the office / headend of a network we
>> purchased two years ago used to be.  Behind the restaurant on the 
>> right
>> side of the picture, where the end of the building is and turns 
>> around
>> towards a backwards "l" shape
>>
>> (i'll circle it in the photo)
>>
>> Was talking to the guy who sold to us on facebook tonight - -
>> talk about he is glad he's not in that building anymore!!
>>
>>
>
 --
 Sent from my Android device with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity.

>>>

Re: [AFMUG] Animal Farm

[Lewis Bergman]

TVWS huh? That would definitely would make them the loser.

On Sat, Dec 26, 2015, 11:27 PM Jay Weekley 
wrote:

> How about a Cambium versus Ubiquiti MMA style cage match?  Ray against
> Matt.  Aaron against Ben.  The loser develops a TV whitespace product.
>
> CBB - Jay Fuller wrote:
> > a q and a with cambium and ubnt is mandatory :)
> > should be in the large room and not a breakout session
> >
> > - Original Message -
> > *From:* Daniel White 
> > *To:* af@afmug.com 
> > *Sent:* Saturday, December 26, 2015 9:18 PM
> > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Animal Farm
> >
> > I know WISPA will be reaching out shortly to see what we can do to
> > integrate the Animal Farm experience into WISPAmerica. We hope
> > Chuck can participate with us!  WISPAmerica by default is always a
> > more tech heavy show anyways.
> >
> > For those that are WISPA members… the Agenda committee had its
> > first meeting last week.  Every Thursday at 3pm EST.  If you don’t
> > want to join –we need topic ideas.   Send them to age...@wispa.org
> > 
> >
> > Animal Farm has its own feel that can’t be replicated.  I’ll be at
> > the next one for certain.
> >
> > Thank you,
> >
> > Daniel White
> >
> > afmu...@gmail.com __
> >
> > Cell: +1 (303) 746-3590
> >
> > Skype: danieldwhite
> > Social: LinkedIn :
> > Twitter 
> >
> > *From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Gino
> Villarini
> > *Sent:* Thursday, December 24, 2015 7:37 AM
> > *To:* Animal Farm 
> > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Animal Farm
> >
> > ok so i guess it will be my first time at Wispamerica then! Im
> > going to miss SLC!
> >
> > On Thu, Dec 24, 2015 at 10:11 AM, Josh Luthman
> > >
> > wrote:
> >
> > Not in 2016 :(
> >
> > Josh Luthman
> > Office: 937-552-2340 
> > Direct: 937-552-2343 
> > 1100 Wayne St
> > Suite 1337
> > Troy, OH 45373
> >
> > On Dec 24, 2015 7:36 AM, "Gino Villarini"  > > wrote:
> >
> > Is it happening?
> >
> > <
> https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email_source=link_campaign=sig-email_content=emailclient
> >
> >   This email has been sent from a virus-free computer protected by
> > Avast.
> > www.avast.com
> > <
> https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email_source=link_campaign=sig-email_content=emailclient
> >
> >
> >
>
>