date:20160814

Correct. The B5-Lites connect on the primary designated channel in this 
release, and B5/B5c clients will connect on both channels.

On Aug 14, 2016, at 9:38 PM, Rory Conaway 
> wrote:

Basically a B5c can support B5-Lite clients on a single channel and B5’s or 
B5c’s clients can support multiple channels?

Rory

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Jaime Fink
Sent: Sunday, August 14, 2016 9:01 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] ePMP2000 vs. Mimosa A5 deployments

Yes, 2 channels are supported with B5 or B5c clients, B5-Lite clients are also 
supported at a single channel and are compatible with B5/B5c.

You can intermix single and dual channel clients as well if necessary.

Jaime

On Aug 14, 2016, at 7:11 PM, Chris Fabien 
> wrote:

Jaime, what are the options for station radios on B5 multipoint? Can this mode 
support 2 channels like the B5 PTP?

On Aug 14, 2016 10:03 PM, "Jaime Fink" 
> wrote:
Yes, we're starting testing it now on the A5 so we're roughly 2-3 months to 
release.

B5 multipoint GPS sync should be out in 3 weeks.

Jaime

On Aug 14, 2016, at 6:52 PM, Paul McCall 
> wrote:
I thought GPS was like “tomorrow” from Mimosa?  No?

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett
Sent: Sunday, August 14, 2016 4:36 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] ePMP2000 vs. Mimosa A5 deployments

I wish either one was one step further so the decision was easier. ePMP 2000 
has receive beamforming and sectors and GPS, but is still N based. Currently 
Mimosa is AC, but doesn't (yet) have GPS nor any sort of beamforming. They 
will, just not now.

-
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From: "Paul McCall" >
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Sunday, August 14, 2016 1:19:21 PM
Subject: [AFMUG] ePMP2000 vs. Mimosa A5  deployments
New towers which would you choose?

(assuming inventory is in stock)

We have a couple new towers... each connected with lots of BW and we have to 
compete with the cable company somewhat

Re: [AFMUG] ePMP2000 vs. Mimosa A5 deployments

2016-08-14 Thread Rory Conaway

Basically a B5c can support B5-Lite clients on a single channel and B5's or 
B5c's clients can support multiple channels?

Rory

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Jaime Fink
Sent: Sunday, August 14, 2016 9:01 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] ePMP2000 vs. Mimosa A5 deployments

Yes, 2 channels are supported with B5 or B5c clients, B5-Lite clients are also 
supported at a single channel and are compatible with B5/B5c.

You can intermix single and dual channel clients as well if necessary.

Jaime

On Aug 14, 2016, at 7:11 PM, Chris Fabien 
> wrote:

Jaime, what are the options for station radios on B5 multipoint? Can this mode 
support 2 channels like the B5 PTP?

On Aug 14, 2016 10:03 PM, "Jaime Fink" 
> wrote:
Yes, we're starting testing it now on the A5 so we're roughly 2-3 months to 
release.

B5 multipoint GPS sync should be out in 3 weeks.

Jaime

On Aug 14, 2016, at 6:52 PM, Paul McCall 
> wrote:
I thought GPS was like "tomorrow" from Mimosa?  No?

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett
Sent: Sunday, August 14, 2016 4:36 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] ePMP2000 vs. Mimosa A5 deployments

I wish either one was one step further so the decision was easier. ePMP 2000 
has receive beamforming and sectors and GPS, but is still N based. Currently 
Mimosa is AC, but doesn't (yet) have GPS nor any sort of beamforming. They 
will, just not now.

-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
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From: "Paul McCall" >
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Sunday, August 14, 2016 1:19:21 PM
Subject: [AFMUG] ePMP2000 vs. Mimosa A5  deployments
New towers which would you choose?

(assuming inventory is in stock)

We have a couple new towers... each connected with lots of BW and we have to 
compete with the cable company somewhat

Re: [AFMUG] ePMP2000 vs. Mimosa A5 deployments

Yes, 2 channels are supported with B5 or B5c clients, B5-Lite clients are also 
supported at a single channel and are compatible with B5/B5c.

You can intermix single and dual channel clients as well if necessary.

Jaime

On Aug 14, 2016, at 7:11 PM, Chris Fabien 
> wrote:

Jaime, what are the options for station radios on B5 multipoint? Can this mode 
support 2 channels like the B5 PTP?

On Aug 14, 2016 10:03 PM, "Jaime Fink" 
> wrote:
Yes, we're starting testing it now on the A5 so we're roughly 2-3 months to 
release.

B5 multipoint GPS sync should be out in 3 weeks.

Jaime

On Aug 14, 2016, at 6:52 PM, Paul McCall 
> wrote:

I thought GPS was like “tomorrow” from Mimosa?  No?

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett
Sent: Sunday, August 14, 2016 4:36 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] ePMP2000 vs. Mimosa A5 deployments

I wish either one was one step further so the decision was easier. ePMP 2000 
has receive beamforming and sectors and GPS, but is still N based. Currently 
Mimosa is AC, but doesn't (yet) have GPS nor any sort of beamforming. They 
will, just not now.

-
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Intelligent Computing Solutions
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From: "Paul McCall" >
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Sunday, August 14, 2016 1:19:21 PM
Subject: [AFMUG] ePMP2000 vs. Mimosa A5  deployments
New towers which would you choose?

(assuming inventory is in stock)

We have a couple new towers... each connected with lots of BW and we have to 
compete with the cable company somewhat

Re: [AFMUG] ePMP2000 vs. Mimosa A5 deployments

2016-08-14 Thread Chris Fabien

Jaime, what are the options for station radios on B5 multipoint? Can this
mode support 2 channels like the B5 PTP?

On Aug 14, 2016 10:03 PM, "Jaime Fink"  wrote:

> Yes, we're starting testing it now on the A5 so we're roughly 2-3 months
> to release.
>
> B5 multipoint GPS sync should be out in 3 weeks.
>
> Jaime
>
> On Aug 14, 2016, at 6:52 PM, Paul McCall  wrote:
>
> I thought GPS was like “tomorrow” from Mimosa?  No?
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com ] *On
> Behalf Of *Mike Hammett
> *Sent:* Sunday, August 14, 2016 4:36 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] ePMP2000 vs. Mimosa A5 deployments
>
>
>
> I wish either one was one step further so the decision was easier. ePMP
> 2000 has receive beamforming and sectors and GPS, but is still N based.
> Currently Mimosa is AC, but doesn't (yet) have GPS nor any sort of
> beamforming. They will, just not now.
>
>
>
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Midwest Internet Exchange 
> 
> 
> 
> The Brothers WISP 
> 
>
>
> 
> --
>
> *From: *"Paul McCall" 
> *To: *af@afmug.com
> *Sent: *Sunday, August 14, 2016 1:19:21 PM
> *Subject: *[AFMUG] ePMP2000 vs. Mimosa A5  deployments
>
> New towers which would you choose?
>
> (assuming inventory is in stock)
>
> We have a couple new towers... each connected with lots of BW and we have
> to compete with the cable company somewhat
>
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] ePMP2000 vs. Mimosa A5 deployments

Yes, we're starting testing it now on the A5 so we're roughly 2-3 months to 
release.

B5 multipoint GPS sync should be out in 3 weeks.

Jaime

On Aug 14, 2016, at 6:52 PM, Paul McCall 
> wrote:

I thought GPS was like “tomorrow” from Mimosa?  No?

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett
Sent: Sunday, August 14, 2016 4:36 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] ePMP2000 vs. Mimosa A5 deployments

I wish either one was one step further so the decision was easier. ePMP 2000 
has receive beamforming and sectors and GPS, but is still N based. Currently 
Mimosa is AC, but doesn't (yet) have GPS nor any sort of beamforming. They 
will, just not now.


-
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From: "Paul McCall" >
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Sunday, August 14, 2016 1:19:21 PM
Subject: [AFMUG] ePMP2000 vs. Mimosa A5  deployments
New towers which would you choose?

(assuming inventory is in stock)

We have a couple new towers... each connected with lots of BW and we have to 
compete with the cable company somewhat

Re: [AFMUG] ePMP2000 vs. Mimosa A5 deployments

I thought GPS was like “tomorrow” from Mimosa?  No?

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett
Sent: Sunday, August 14, 2016 4:36 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] ePMP2000 vs. Mimosa A5 deployments

I wish either one was one step further so the decision was easier. ePMP 2000 
has receive beamforming and sectors and GPS, but is still N based. Currently 
Mimosa is AC, but doesn't (yet) have GPS nor any sort of beamforming. They 
will, just not now.

-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
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From: "Paul McCall" >
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Sunday, August 14, 2016 1:19:21 PM
Subject: [AFMUG] ePMP2000 vs. Mimosa A5  deployments
New towers which would you choose?

(assuming inventory is in stock)

We have a couple new towers... each connected with lots of BW and we have to 
compete with the cable company somewhat

Re: [AFMUG] ePMP2000 vs. Mimosa A5 deployments

2016-08-14 Thread Ken Hohhof

Maybe Mike is from Oklahoma?

From: Jaime Fink 
Sent: Sunday, August 14, 2016 7:25 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] ePMP2000 vs. Mimosa A5 deployments

I expected a 'soon' out of you. Disappointed!!!

On Aug 14, 2016, at 5:23 PM, Mike Hammett  wrote:

  I said yet;-)

  -
  Mike Hammett
  Intelligent Computing Solutions

  Midwest Internet Exchange

  The Brothers WISP

--

  From: "Jaime Fink" 
  To: af@afmug.com
  Sent: Sunday, August 14, 2016 5:39:35 PM
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] ePMP2000 vs. Mimosa A5  deployments

  Mike, A5c does have beamforming day 1 (should be here in 2-3 weeks). 

  GPS is about 2-3 months out on A5c, we're just beginning our field network 
testing so it's tracking well. 

  Jaime

  On Aug 14, 2016, at 1:36 PM, Mike Hammett  wrote:

I wish either one was one step further so the decision was easier. ePMP 
2000 has receive beamforming and sectors and GPS, but is still N based. 
Currently Mimosa is AC, but doesn't (yet) have GPS nor any sort of beamforming. 
They will, just not now.

-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions

Midwest Internet Exchange

The Brothers WISP

From: "Paul McCall" 
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Sunday, August 14, 2016 1:19:21 PM
Subject: [AFMUG] ePMP2000 vs. Mimosa A5  deployments

New towers which would you choose?  

(assuming inventory is in stock)

We have a couple new towers... each connected with lots of BW and we have 
to compete with the cable company somewhat

Re: [AFMUG] ePMP2000 vs. Mimosa A5 deployments

2016-08-14 Thread Jaime Solorza

One of my friends and WISP owner has installed several Mimosa ptp back
hauls in last two months and is very happy with performance.   He is using
Ubiquiti large dishes for 5,7 and 11 mile links... He replaced MT and
Trango gear which he had used for years.   All APs at moment are
Rockets But he is concerned about noise growing in 5 GHz band.

On Aug 14, 2016 6:25 PM, "Jaime Fink"  wrote:

> I expected a 'soon' out of you. Disappointed!!!
>
> On Aug 14, 2016, at 5:23 PM, Mike Hammett  wrote:
>
> I said yet;-)
>
>
>
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Midwest Internet Exchange 
> 
> 
> 
> The Brothers WISP 
> 
>
>
> 
> --
> *From: *"Jaime Fink" 
> *To: *af@afmug.com
> *Sent: *Sunday, August 14, 2016 5:39:35 PM
> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] ePMP2000 vs. Mimosa A5  deployments
>
> Mike, A5c does have beamforming day 1 (should be here in 2-3 weeks).
>
> GPS is about 2-3 months out on A5c, we're just beginning our field network
> testing so it's tracking well.
>
> Jaime
>
> On Aug 14, 2016, at 1:36 PM, Mike Hammett  wrote:
>
> I wish either one was one step further so the decision was easier. ePMP
> 2000 has receive beamforming and sectors and GPS, but is still N based.
> Currently Mimosa is AC, but doesn't (yet) have GPS nor any sort of
> beamforming. They will, just not now.
>
>
>
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Midwest Internet Exchange 
> 
> 
> 
> The Brothers WISP 
> 
>
>
> 
> --
> *From: *"Paul McCall" 
> *To: *af@afmug.com
> *Sent: *Sunday, August 14, 2016 1:19:21 PM
> *Subject: *[AFMUG] ePMP2000 vs. Mimosa A5  deployments
>
> New towers which would you choose?
>
> (assuming inventory is in stock)
>
> We have a couple new towers... each connected with lots of BW and we have
> to compete with the cable company somewhat
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] ePMP2000 vs. Mimosa A5 deployments

2016-08-14 Thread Carl Peterson

My take on the A5/C5 is that it is going to be a great product line but it just 
isn't there yet.  Really basic stuff like being able to tag traffic on the C5 
Ethernet port just isn't there yet.  Blows my mind how they could put so much 
thought into a product and leave out really simple basic stuff like VLAN 
support.  

> On Aug 14, 2016, at 3:01 PM, Faisal Imtiaz  wrote:
> 
> I would love to see input from others on this..
> 
> My personal opinion at the moment is 
> 
> One cannot go wrong with either of these two.. both are excellent products.
> Both are in the process of getting fully baked, both mfg have an excellent 
> reputation for delivering on their laid out road-map.
> 
> So far, from what I have seen, the cost of deployment for the size of 
> deployment, and any prior existing relationships with one or the other mfg. 
> may influence the ultimate choice.
> 
> While I cannot speak for Cambium folks, but will tell you that Mimosa folks 
> have been advocating heavily small cell type deployment and their A5 (not the 
> 'c') version are very much tuned and designed for such deployments. 
> Ultimately as  Metro WISPs, due to the congested environments getting worse, 
> we may be forced to embrace that model sooner than later.
> 
> 
> Faisal Imtiaz
> Snappy Internet & Telecom
> 7266 SW 48 Street
> Miami, FL 33155
> Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232
> 
> Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net
> 
> From: "Paul McCall" 
> To: af@afmug.com
> Sent: Sunday, August 14, 2016 2:19:21 PM
> Subject: [AFMUG] ePMP2000 vs. Mimosa A5  deployments
> New towers which would you choose?  
> 
> (assuming inventory is in stock)
> 
> We have a couple new towers... each connected with lots of BW and we have to 
> compete with the cable company somewhat
>

Re: [AFMUG] ePMP2000 vs. Mimosa A5 deployments

I expected a 'soon' out of you. Disappointed!!!

On Aug 14, 2016, at 5:23 PM, Mike Hammett 
> wrote:

I said yet;-)

-
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From: "Jaime Fink" >
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Sunday, August 14, 2016 5:39:35 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] ePMP2000 vs. Mimosa A5  deployments

Mike, A5c does have beamforming day 1 (should be here in 2-3 weeks).

GPS is about 2-3 months out on A5c, we're just beginning our field network 
testing so it's tracking well.

Jaime

On Aug 14, 2016, at 1:36 PM, Mike Hammett 
> wrote:

I wish either one was one step further so the decision was easier. ePMP 2000 
has receive beamforming and sectors and GPS, but is still N based. Currently 
Mimosa is AC, but doesn't (yet) have GPS nor any sort of beamforming. They 
will, just not now.

-
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Intelligent Computing Solutions
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From: "Paul McCall" >
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Sunday, August 14, 2016 1:19:21 PM
Subject: [AFMUG] ePMP2000 vs. Mimosa A5  deployments

New towers which would you choose?

(assuming inventory is in stock)

We have a couple new towers... each connected with lots of BW and we have to 
compete with the cable company somewhat

Re: [AFMUG] ePMP2000 vs. Mimosa A5 deployments

I said yet ;-) 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 




- Original Message -

From: "Jaime Fink"  
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Sunday, August 14, 2016 5:39:35 PM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] ePMP2000 vs. Mimosa A5 deployments 



Mike, A5c does have beamforming day 1 (should be here in 2-3 weeks). 


GPS is about 2-3 months out on A5c, we're just beginning our field network 
testing so it's tracking well. 


Jaime 

On Aug 14, 2016, at 1:36 PM, Mike Hammett < af...@ics-il.net > wrote: 





I wish either one was one step further so the decision was easier. ePMP 2000 
has receive beamforming and sectors and GPS, but is still N based. Currently 
Mimosa is AC, but doesn't (yet) have GPS nor any sort of beamforming. They 
will, just not now. 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 




- Original Message -

From: "Paul McCall" < pa...@pdmnet.net > 
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Sunday, August 14, 2016 1:19:21 PM 
Subject: [AFMUG] ePMP2000 vs. Mimosa A5 deployments 


New towers which would you choose? 

(assuming inventory is in stock) 

We have a couple new towers... each connected with lots of BW and we have to 
compete with the cable company somewhat

Re: [AFMUG] ePMP2000 vs. Mimosa A5 deployments

Mike, A5c does have beamforming day 1 (should be here in 2-3 weeks).

GPS is about 2-3 months out on A5c, we're just beginning our field network 
testing so it's tracking well.

Jaime

On Aug 14, 2016, at 1:36 PM, Mike Hammett 
> wrote:

I wish either one was one step further so the decision was easier. ePMP 2000 
has receive beamforming and sectors and GPS, but is still N based. Currently 
Mimosa is AC, but doesn't (yet) have GPS nor any sort of beamforming. They 
will, just not now.



-
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Intelligent Computing Solutions
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From: "Paul McCall" >
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Sunday, August 14, 2016 1:19:21 PM
Subject: [AFMUG] ePMP2000 vs. Mimosa A5  deployments

New towers which would you choose?

(assuming inventory is in stock)

We have a couple new towers... each connected with lots of BW and we have to 
compete with the cable company somewhat

Re: [AFMUG] ePMP2000 vs. Mimosa A5 deployments

2016-08-14 Thread Chris Fabien

Seems like part of the question is what signals you are expecting, or to
put it another way, what's the typical install distance. The AC products
aren't going to give you much benefit if you are planning for installs in
the -60s like a "traditional" tower based deployment.

On Aug 14, 2016 4:36 PM, "Mike Hammett"  wrote:

> I wish either one was one step further so the decision was easier. ePMP
> 2000 has receive beamforming and sectors and GPS, but is still N based.
> Currently Mimosa is AC, but doesn't (yet) have GPS nor any sort of
> beamforming. They will, just not now.
>
>
>
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Midwest Internet Exchange 
> 
> 
> 
> The Brothers WISP 
> 
>
>
> 
> --
> *From: *"Paul McCall" 
> *To: *af@afmug.com
> *Sent: *Sunday, August 14, 2016 1:19:21 PM
> *Subject: *[AFMUG] ePMP2000 vs. Mimosa A5  deployments
>
> New towers which would you choose?
>
> (assuming inventory is in stock)
>
> We have a couple new towers... each connected with lots of BW and we have
> to compete with the cable company somewhat
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] cloud sip pbx for home use?

http://www.elastix.com/en/elastixcloud-pbx-service/

On Sun, Aug 14, 2016 at 3:49 PM, Lewis Bergman  wrote:
> I would be interested in what you discover.
>
>
> On Sun, Aug 14, 2016, 3:03 PM Josh Reynolds  wrote:
>>
>> I'm looking at a few hosted pbx's right now, and with termination and
>> a single number for 4 sip accounts I'm looking at $20/mo +
>> $0.01/minute. I would expect less than 200 minutes a month on this
>> line.
>>
>> This is with auto attendant / voicemail / voicemail-to-email
>> translation, CID, and a local DID.
>>
>> On Sun, Aug 14, 2016 at 2:59 PM, Faisal Imtiaz 
>> wrote:
>> >> Additional cost of the VPS
>> >
>> > so you are looking for a hosted pbx provider to provide you a hosted pbx
>> > instance, along with origination/termination trunks ?
>> > you will pay for the VPS portion one way or another...
>> >
>> > We do this for our customer today. We can offer you such, but typically
>> > needs a spend of at least $100/month to make it worthwhile for us.
>> >
>> > There are other ways to skin this cat, depending on what feature is your
>> > priority. This cost ? The flexibility ? the location of the pbx instance.
>> >
>> >>
>> >> Additional latency from $house -> vps instance -> cloud pbx
>> >>
>> > In practical term this is not an issue or let me say it differently...
>> > this will be common issue with anyone's hosted pbx service.
>> > Contrary to popular belief.. latency is not the issue , jitter and out
>> > of order packets are bigger issue.
>> > BTW... you can always configure asterisk to get out of the voice path.
>> >
>> > Regards
>> >
>> > Faisal Imtiaz
>> > Snappy Internet & Telecom
>> > 7266 SW 48 Street
>> > Miami, FL 33155
>> > Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232
>> >
>> > Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net
>> >
>> > - Original Message -
>> >> From: "Josh Reynolds" 
>> >> To: af@afmug.com
>> >> Sent: Sunday, August 14, 2016 3:47:34 PM
>> >> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] cloud sip pbx for home use?
>> >
>> >> Additional cost of the VPS
>> >>
>> >> Additional latency from $house -> vps instance -> cloud pbx
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> On Sun, Aug 14, 2016 at 2:45 PM, Faisal Imtiaz
>> >>  wrote:
>> >>> Additional Cost and Latency ?
>> >>> I am confused
>> >>>
>> >>> Additional cost of what ?  The VPS instance ?
>> >>>
>> >>> Latency ? what and where ?
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> Regards
>> >>>
>> >>> Faisal Imtiaz
>> >>> Snappy Internet & Telecom
>> >>> 7266 SW 48 Street
>> >>> Miami, FL 33155
>> >>> Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232
>> >>>
>> >>> Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net
>> >>>
>> >>> - Original Message -
>>  From: "Josh Reynolds" 
>>  To: af@afmug.com
>>  Sent: Sunday, August 14, 2016 3:34:09 PM
>>  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] cloud sip pbx for home use?
>> >>>
>>  additional cost and additional latency
>> 
>>  On Sun, Aug 14, 2016 at 2:33 PM, Faisal Imtiaz
>>   wrote:
>> > What is stopping you from running an instance of Freepbx on a VPS ?
>> >
>> > Faisal Imtiaz
>> > Snappy Internet & Telecom
>> > 7266 SW 48 Street
>> > Miami, FL 33155
>> > Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232
>> >
>> > Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email:
>> > supp...@snappytelecom.net
>> >
>> > - Original Message -
>> >> From: "Josh Reynolds" 
>> >> To: af@afmug.com
>> >> Sent: Sunday, August 14, 2016 3:29:14 PM
>> >> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] cloud sip pbx for home use?
>> >
>> >> You missed the "cloud" part :P
>> >>
>> >> On Sun, Aug 14, 2016 at 2:19 PM, Faisal Imtiaz
>> >>  wrote:
>> >>> Freepbx ?
>> >>>
>> >>> Faisal Imtiaz
>> >>> Snappy Internet & Telecom
>> >>> 7266 SW 48 Street
>> >>> Miami, FL 33155
>> >>> Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232
>> >>>
>> >>> Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email:
>> >>> supp...@snappytelecom.net
>> >>>
>> >>> - Original Message -
>>  From: "Josh Reynolds" 
>>  To: af@afmug.com
>>  Sent: Sunday, August 14, 2016 3:08:27 PM
>>  Subject: [AFMUG] cloud sip pbx for home use?
>> >>>
>>  Looking for something with a decent (voicemail, ring groups, etc)
>>  feature set and reasonable cost for home use. Cloud PBX.
>> 
>>  Any suggestions?
>> 
>>  I basically just want something I can setup in the cloud and
>>  connect a
>> >> >> >> >> few sip clients too.

Re: [AFMUG] cloud sip pbx for home use?

2016-08-14 Thread Lewis Bergman

I would be interested in what you discover.

On Sun, Aug 14, 2016, 3:03 PM Josh Reynolds  wrote:

> I'm looking at a few hosted pbx's right now, and with termination and
> a single number for 4 sip accounts I'm looking at $20/mo +
> $0.01/minute. I would expect less than 200 minutes a month on this
> line.
>
> This is with auto attendant / voicemail / voicemail-to-email
> translation, CID, and a local DID.
>
> On Sun, Aug 14, 2016 at 2:59 PM, Faisal Imtiaz 
> wrote:
> >> Additional cost of the VPS
> >
> > so you are looking for a hosted pbx provider to provide you a hosted pbx
> instance, along with origination/termination trunks ?
> > you will pay for the VPS portion one way or another...
> >
> > We do this for our customer today. We can offer you such, but typically
> needs a spend of at least $100/month to make it worthwhile for us.
> >
> > There are other ways to skin this cat, depending on what feature is your
> priority. This cost ? The flexibility ? the location of the pbx instance.
> >
> >>
> >> Additional latency from $house -> vps instance -> cloud pbx
> >>
> > In practical term this is not an issue or let me say it differently...
> this will be common issue with anyone's hosted pbx service.
> > Contrary to popular belief.. latency is not the issue , jitter and out
> of order packets are bigger issue.
> > BTW... you can always configure asterisk to get out of the voice path.
> >
> > Regards
> >
> > Faisal Imtiaz
> > Snappy Internet & Telecom
> > 7266 SW 48 Street
> > Miami, FL 33155
> > Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232
> >
> > Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net
> >
> > - Original Message -
> >> From: "Josh Reynolds" 
> >> To: af@afmug.com
> >> Sent: Sunday, August 14, 2016 3:47:34 PM
> >> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] cloud sip pbx for home use?
> >
> >> Additional cost of the VPS
> >>
> >> Additional latency from $house -> vps instance -> cloud pbx
> >>
> >>
> >> On Sun, Aug 14, 2016 at 2:45 PM, Faisal Imtiaz <
> fai...@snappytelecom.net> wrote:
> >>> Additional Cost and Latency ?
> >>> I am confused
> >>>
> >>> Additional cost of what ?  The VPS instance ?
> >>>
> >>> Latency ? what and where ?
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Regards
> >>>
> >>> Faisal Imtiaz
> >>> Snappy Internet & Telecom
> >>> 7266 SW 48 Street
> >>> Miami, FL 33155
> >>> Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232
> >>>
> >>> Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net
> >>>
> >>> - Original Message -
>  From: "Josh Reynolds" 
>  To: af@afmug.com
>  Sent: Sunday, August 14, 2016 3:34:09 PM
>  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] cloud sip pbx for home use?
> >>>
>  additional cost and additional latency
> 
>  On Sun, Aug 14, 2016 at 2:33 PM, Faisal Imtiaz <
> fai...@snappytelecom.net> wrote:
> > What is stopping you from running an instance of Freepbx on a VPS ?
> >
> > Faisal Imtiaz
> > Snappy Internet & Telecom
> > 7266 SW 48 Street
> > Miami, FL 33155
> > Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232
> >
> > Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net
> >
> > - Original Message -
> >> From: "Josh Reynolds" 
> >> To: af@afmug.com
> >> Sent: Sunday, August 14, 2016 3:29:14 PM
> >> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] cloud sip pbx for home use?
> >
> >> You missed the "cloud" part :P
> >>
> >> On Sun, Aug 14, 2016 at 2:19 PM, Faisal Imtiaz <
> fai...@snappytelecom.net> wrote:
> >>> Freepbx ?
> >>>
> >>> Faisal Imtiaz
> >>> Snappy Internet & Telecom
> >>> 7266 SW 48 Street
> >>> Miami, FL 33155
> >>> Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232
> >>>
> >>> Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email:
> supp...@snappytelecom.net
> >>>
> >>> - Original Message -
>  From: "Josh Reynolds" 
>  To: af@afmug.com
>  Sent: Sunday, August 14, 2016 3:08:27 PM
>  Subject: [AFMUG] cloud sip pbx for home use?
> >>>
>  Looking for something with a decent (voicemail, ring groups, etc)
>  feature set and reasonable cost for home use. Cloud PBX.
> 
>  Any suggestions?
> 
>  I basically just want something I can setup in the cloud and
> connect a
> >> >> >> >> few sip clients too.
>

Re: [AFMUG] ePMP2000 vs. Mimosa A5 deployments

I wish either one was one step further so the decision was easier. ePMP 2000 
has receive beamforming and sectors and GPS, but is still N based. Currently 
Mimosa is AC, but doesn't (yet) have GPS nor any sort of beamforming. They 
will, just not now. 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 




- Original Message -

From: "Paul McCall"  
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Sunday, August 14, 2016 1:19:21 PM 
Subject: [AFMUG] ePMP2000 vs. Mimosa A5 deployments 


New towers which would you choose? 

(assuming inventory is in stock) 

We have a couple new towers... each connected with lots of BW and we have to 
compete with the cable company somewhat

Re: [AFMUG] cloud sip pbx for home use?

I'm looking at a few hosted pbx's right now, and with termination and
a single number for 4 sip accounts I'm looking at $20/mo +
$0.01/minute. I would expect less than 200 minutes a month on this
line.

This is with auto attendant / voicemail / voicemail-to-email
translation, CID, and a local DID.

On Sun, Aug 14, 2016 at 2:59 PM, Faisal Imtiaz  wrote:
>> Additional cost of the VPS
>
> so you are looking for a hosted pbx provider to provide you a hosted pbx 
> instance, along with origination/termination trunks ?
> you will pay for the VPS portion one way or another...
>
> We do this for our customer today. We can offer you such, but typically needs 
> a spend of at least $100/month to make it worthwhile for us.
>
> There are other ways to skin this cat, depending on what feature is your 
> priority. This cost ? The flexibility ? the location of the pbx instance.
>
>>
>> Additional latency from $house -> vps instance -> cloud pbx
>>
> In practical term this is not an issue or let me say it differently... this 
> will be common issue with anyone's hosted pbx service.
> Contrary to popular belief.. latency is not the issue , jitter and out of 
> order packets are bigger issue.
> BTW... you can always configure asterisk to get out of the voice path.
>
> Regards
>
> Faisal Imtiaz
> Snappy Internet & Telecom
> 7266 SW 48 Street
> Miami, FL 33155
> Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232
>
> Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net
>
> - Original Message -
>> From: "Josh Reynolds" 
>> To: af@afmug.com
>> Sent: Sunday, August 14, 2016 3:47:34 PM
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] cloud sip pbx for home use?
>
>> Additional cost of the VPS
>>
>> Additional latency from $house -> vps instance -> cloud pbx
>>
>>
>> On Sun, Aug 14, 2016 at 2:45 PM, Faisal Imtiaz  
>> wrote:
>>> Additional Cost and Latency ?
>>> I am confused
>>>
>>> Additional cost of what ?  The VPS instance ?
>>>
>>> Latency ? what and where ?
>>>
>>>
>>> Regards
>>>
>>> Faisal Imtiaz
>>> Snappy Internet & Telecom
>>> 7266 SW 48 Street
>>> Miami, FL 33155
>>> Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232
>>>
>>> Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net
>>>
>>> - Original Message -
 From: "Josh Reynolds" 
 To: af@afmug.com
 Sent: Sunday, August 14, 2016 3:34:09 PM
 Subject: Re: [AFMUG] cloud sip pbx for home use?
>>>
 additional cost and additional latency

 On Sun, Aug 14, 2016 at 2:33 PM, Faisal Imtiaz  
 wrote:
> What is stopping you from running an instance of Freepbx on a VPS ?
>
> Faisal Imtiaz
> Snappy Internet & Telecom
> 7266 SW 48 Street
> Miami, FL 33155
> Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232
>
> Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net
>
> - Original Message -
>> From: "Josh Reynolds" 
>> To: af@afmug.com
>> Sent: Sunday, August 14, 2016 3:29:14 PM
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] cloud sip pbx for home use?
>
>> You missed the "cloud" part :P
>>
>> On Sun, Aug 14, 2016 at 2:19 PM, Faisal Imtiaz 
>>  wrote:
>>> Freepbx ?
>>>
>>> Faisal Imtiaz
>>> Snappy Internet & Telecom
>>> 7266 SW 48 Street
>>> Miami, FL 33155
>>> Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232
>>>
>>> Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net
>>>
>>> - Original Message -
 From: "Josh Reynolds" 
 To: af@afmug.com
 Sent: Sunday, August 14, 2016 3:08:27 PM
 Subject: [AFMUG] cloud sip pbx for home use?
>>>
 Looking for something with a decent (voicemail, ring groups, etc)
 feature set and reasonable cost for home use. Cloud PBX.

 Any suggestions?

 I basically just want something I can setup in the cloud and connect a
>> >> >> >> few sip clients too.

Re: [AFMUG] cloud sip pbx for home use?

I am sorry, I was simply trying to understand your request... 

I will stay out of it ..

Best of luck.

:)

Faisal Imtiaz
Snappy Internet & Telecom
7266 SW 48 Street
Miami, FL 33155
Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232

Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net

- Original Message -
> From: "Josh Reynolds" 
> To: af@afmug.com
> Sent: Sunday, August 14, 2016 3:49:14 PM
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] cloud sip pbx for home use?

> I'm not asking you, Faisal, to validate my request. I'm asking for
> providers others may have used in the past or currently use to meet
> the needs of my request.
> 
> Hopefully this is clear.
> 
> On Sun, Aug 14, 2016 at 2:47 PM, Josh Reynolds  wrote:
>> Additional cost of the VPS
>>
>> Additional latency from $house -> vps instance -> cloud pbx
>>
>>
>> On Sun, Aug 14, 2016 at 2:45 PM, Faisal Imtiaz  
>> wrote:
>>> Additional Cost and Latency ?
>>> I am confused
>>>
>>> Additional cost of what ?  The VPS instance ?
>>>
>>> Latency ? what and where ?
>>>
>>>
>>> Regards
>>>
>>> Faisal Imtiaz
>>> Snappy Internet & Telecom
>>> 7266 SW 48 Street
>>> Miami, FL 33155
>>> Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232
>>>
>>> Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net
>>>
>>> - Original Message -
 From: "Josh Reynolds" 
 To: af@afmug.com
 Sent: Sunday, August 14, 2016 3:34:09 PM
 Subject: Re: [AFMUG] cloud sip pbx for home use?
>>>
 additional cost and additional latency

 On Sun, Aug 14, 2016 at 2:33 PM, Faisal Imtiaz  
 wrote:
> What is stopping you from running an instance of Freepbx on a VPS ?
>
> Faisal Imtiaz
> Snappy Internet & Telecom
> 7266 SW 48 Street
> Miami, FL 33155
> Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232
>
> Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net
>
> - Original Message -
>> From: "Josh Reynolds" 
>> To: af@afmug.com
>> Sent: Sunday, August 14, 2016 3:29:14 PM
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] cloud sip pbx for home use?
>
>> You missed the "cloud" part :P
>>
>> On Sun, Aug 14, 2016 at 2:19 PM, Faisal Imtiaz 
>>  wrote:
>>> Freepbx ?
>>>
>>> Faisal Imtiaz
>>> Snappy Internet & Telecom
>>> 7266 SW 48 Street
>>> Miami, FL 33155
>>> Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232
>>>
>>> Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net
>>>
>>> - Original Message -
 From: "Josh Reynolds" 
 To: af@afmug.com
 Sent: Sunday, August 14, 2016 3:08:27 PM
 Subject: [AFMUG] cloud sip pbx for home use?
>>>
 Looking for something with a decent (voicemail, ring groups, etc)
 feature set and reasonable cost for home use. Cloud PBX.

 Any suggestions?

 I basically just want something I can setup in the cloud and connect a
> >>> >> >> few sip clients too.

Re: [AFMUG] cloud sip pbx for home use?

> Additional cost of the VPS

so you are looking for a hosted pbx provider to provide you a hosted pbx 
instance, along with origination/termination trunks ? 
you will pay for the VPS portion one way or another... 

We do this for our customer today. We can offer you such, but typically needs a 
spend of at least $100/month to make it worthwhile for us.

There are other ways to skin this cat, depending on what feature is your 
priority. This cost ? The flexibility ? the location of the pbx instance.

> 
> Additional latency from $house -> vps instance -> cloud pbx
> 
In practical term this is not an issue or let me say it differently... this 
will be common issue with anyone's hosted pbx service.
Contrary to popular belief.. latency is not the issue , jitter and out of order 
packets are bigger issue.
BTW... you can always configure asterisk to get out of the voice path. 

Regards

Faisal Imtiaz
Snappy Internet & Telecom
7266 SW 48 Street
Miami, FL 33155
Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232

Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net

- Original Message -
> From: "Josh Reynolds" 
> To: af@afmug.com
> Sent: Sunday, August 14, 2016 3:47:34 PM
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] cloud sip pbx for home use?

> Additional cost of the VPS
> 
> Additional latency from $house -> vps instance -> cloud pbx
> 
> 
> On Sun, Aug 14, 2016 at 2:45 PM, Faisal Imtiaz  
> wrote:
>> Additional Cost and Latency ?
>> I am confused
>>
>> Additional cost of what ?  The VPS instance ?
>>
>> Latency ? what and where ?
>>
>>
>> Regards
>>
>> Faisal Imtiaz
>> Snappy Internet & Telecom
>> 7266 SW 48 Street
>> Miami, FL 33155
>> Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232
>>
>> Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net
>>
>> - Original Message -
>>> From: "Josh Reynolds" 
>>> To: af@afmug.com
>>> Sent: Sunday, August 14, 2016 3:34:09 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] cloud sip pbx for home use?
>>
>>> additional cost and additional latency
>>>
>>> On Sun, Aug 14, 2016 at 2:33 PM, Faisal Imtiaz  
>>> wrote:
 What is stopping you from running an instance of Freepbx on a VPS ?

 Faisal Imtiaz
 Snappy Internet & Telecom
 7266 SW 48 Street
 Miami, FL 33155
 Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232

 Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net

 - Original Message -
> From: "Josh Reynolds" 
> To: af@afmug.com
> Sent: Sunday, August 14, 2016 3:29:14 PM
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] cloud sip pbx for home use?

> You missed the "cloud" part :P
>
> On Sun, Aug 14, 2016 at 2:19 PM, Faisal Imtiaz  
> wrote:
>> Freepbx ?
>>
>> Faisal Imtiaz
>> Snappy Internet & Telecom
>> 7266 SW 48 Street
>> Miami, FL 33155
>> Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232
>>
>> Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net
>>
>> - Original Message -
>>> From: "Josh Reynolds" 
>>> To: af@afmug.com
>>> Sent: Sunday, August 14, 2016 3:08:27 PM
>>> Subject: [AFMUG] cloud sip pbx for home use?
>>
>>> Looking for something with a decent (voicemail, ring groups, etc)
>>> feature set and reasonable cost for home use. Cloud PBX.
>>>
>>> Any suggestions?
>>>
>>> I basically just want something I can setup in the cloud and connect a
> >> >> >> few sip clients too.

Re: [AFMUG] cloud sip pbx for home use?

I'm not asking you, Faisal, to validate my request. I'm asking for
providers others may have used in the past or currently use to meet
the needs of my request.

Hopefully this is clear.

On Sun, Aug 14, 2016 at 2:47 PM, Josh Reynolds  wrote:
> Additional cost of the VPS
>
> Additional latency from $house -> vps instance -> cloud pbx
>
>
> On Sun, Aug 14, 2016 at 2:45 PM, Faisal Imtiaz  
> wrote:
>> Additional Cost and Latency ?
>> I am confused
>>
>> Additional cost of what ?  The VPS instance ?
>>
>> Latency ? what and where ?
>>
>>
>> Regards
>>
>> Faisal Imtiaz
>> Snappy Internet & Telecom
>> 7266 SW 48 Street
>> Miami, FL 33155
>> Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232
>>
>> Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net
>>
>> - Original Message -
>>> From: "Josh Reynolds" 
>>> To: af@afmug.com
>>> Sent: Sunday, August 14, 2016 3:34:09 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] cloud sip pbx for home use?
>>
>>> additional cost and additional latency
>>>
>>> On Sun, Aug 14, 2016 at 2:33 PM, Faisal Imtiaz  
>>> wrote:
 What is stopping you from running an instance of Freepbx on a VPS ?

 Faisal Imtiaz
 Snappy Internet & Telecom
 7266 SW 48 Street
 Miami, FL 33155
 Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232

 Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net

 - Original Message -
> From: "Josh Reynolds" 
> To: af@afmug.com
> Sent: Sunday, August 14, 2016 3:29:14 PM
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] cloud sip pbx for home use?

> You missed the "cloud" part :P
>
> On Sun, Aug 14, 2016 at 2:19 PM, Faisal Imtiaz  
> wrote:
>> Freepbx ?
>>
>> Faisal Imtiaz
>> Snappy Internet & Telecom
>> 7266 SW 48 Street
>> Miami, FL 33155
>> Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232
>>
>> Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net
>>
>> - Original Message -
>>> From: "Josh Reynolds" 
>>> To: af@afmug.com
>>> Sent: Sunday, August 14, 2016 3:08:27 PM
>>> Subject: [AFMUG] cloud sip pbx for home use?
>>
>>> Looking for something with a decent (voicemail, ring groups, etc)
>>> feature set and reasonable cost for home use. Cloud PBX.
>>>
>>> Any suggestions?
>>>
>>> I basically just want something I can setup in the cloud and connect a
>>> >> >> few sip clients too.

Re: [AFMUG] cloud sip pbx for home use?

Additional cost of the VPS

Additional latency from $house -> vps instance -> cloud pbx


On Sun, Aug 14, 2016 at 2:45 PM, Faisal Imtiaz  wrote:
> Additional Cost and Latency ?
> I am confused
>
> Additional cost of what ?  The VPS instance ?
>
> Latency ? what and where ?
>
>
> Regards
>
> Faisal Imtiaz
> Snappy Internet & Telecom
> 7266 SW 48 Street
> Miami, FL 33155
> Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232
>
> Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net
>
> - Original Message -
>> From: "Josh Reynolds" 
>> To: af@afmug.com
>> Sent: Sunday, August 14, 2016 3:34:09 PM
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] cloud sip pbx for home use?
>
>> additional cost and additional latency
>>
>> On Sun, Aug 14, 2016 at 2:33 PM, Faisal Imtiaz  
>> wrote:
>>> What is stopping you from running an instance of Freepbx on a VPS ?
>>>
>>> Faisal Imtiaz
>>> Snappy Internet & Telecom
>>> 7266 SW 48 Street
>>> Miami, FL 33155
>>> Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232
>>>
>>> Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net
>>>
>>> - Original Message -
 From: "Josh Reynolds" 
 To: af@afmug.com
 Sent: Sunday, August 14, 2016 3:29:14 PM
 Subject: Re: [AFMUG] cloud sip pbx for home use?
>>>
 You missed the "cloud" part :P

 On Sun, Aug 14, 2016 at 2:19 PM, Faisal Imtiaz  
 wrote:
> Freepbx ?
>
> Faisal Imtiaz
> Snappy Internet & Telecom
> 7266 SW 48 Street
> Miami, FL 33155
> Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232
>
> Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net
>
> - Original Message -
>> From: "Josh Reynolds" 
>> To: af@afmug.com
>> Sent: Sunday, August 14, 2016 3:08:27 PM
>> Subject: [AFMUG] cloud sip pbx for home use?
>
>> Looking for something with a decent (voicemail, ring groups, etc)
>> feature set and reasonable cost for home use. Cloud PBX.
>>
>> Any suggestions?
>>
>> I basically just want something I can setup in the cloud and connect a
>> >> >> few sip clients too.

Re: [AFMUG] cloud sip pbx for home use?

Additional Cost and Latency ? 
I am confused

Additional cost of what ?  The VPS instance ? 

Latency ? what and where ?


Regards

Faisal Imtiaz
Snappy Internet & Telecom
7266 SW 48 Street
Miami, FL 33155
Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232

Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net

- Original Message -
> From: "Josh Reynolds" 
> To: af@afmug.com
> Sent: Sunday, August 14, 2016 3:34:09 PM
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] cloud sip pbx for home use?

> additional cost and additional latency
> 
> On Sun, Aug 14, 2016 at 2:33 PM, Faisal Imtiaz  
> wrote:
>> What is stopping you from running an instance of Freepbx on a VPS ?
>>
>> Faisal Imtiaz
>> Snappy Internet & Telecom
>> 7266 SW 48 Street
>> Miami, FL 33155
>> Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232
>>
>> Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net
>>
>> - Original Message -
>>> From: "Josh Reynolds" 
>>> To: af@afmug.com
>>> Sent: Sunday, August 14, 2016 3:29:14 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] cloud sip pbx for home use?
>>
>>> You missed the "cloud" part :P
>>>
>>> On Sun, Aug 14, 2016 at 2:19 PM, Faisal Imtiaz  
>>> wrote:
 Freepbx ?

 Faisal Imtiaz
 Snappy Internet & Telecom
 7266 SW 48 Street
 Miami, FL 33155
 Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232

 Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net

 - Original Message -
> From: "Josh Reynolds" 
> To: af@afmug.com
> Sent: Sunday, August 14, 2016 3:08:27 PM
> Subject: [AFMUG] cloud sip pbx for home use?

> Looking for something with a decent (voicemail, ring groups, etc)
> feature set and reasonable cost for home use. Cloud PBX.
>
> Any suggestions?
>
> I basically just want something I can setup in the cloud and connect a
> >> >> few sip clients too.

Re: [AFMUG] ePMP2000 vs. Mimosa A5 deployments

Haha.. you took the inverse of what I was saying... 

A5 (14/18) Are highly tuned for small cell deployments. 
e.g. 4 sectors in the tube, A5-14 has no downtilt, and the ability to handle a 
large combination of clients both WIFI and Mimosa. 
But if you dig deeper beneath the surface, you wil quickly see that they 
perform very well with 'hot signal' levels, i.e. -35 on a -60 noise floor, thus 
tuned for small cells 

The A5c is going to be an interesting animal, along with the 4x4 antenna and 
the ability to be deployed in pair of these to one antenna, are going to be 
offering a very interesting proposition. 

The 1000 lb gorilla in the room is rising noise floor in the vicinity of the 
CPE... Cambium is taking a different approach on tackling that with beam 
forming...(gps sync due to be a common feature between the two) but it is 
coming at the expense of higher priced AP. 

Only time will tell on how things pan out... 

One thing about Mimosa's approach is, with hot signals, small cells, one does 
not have to worry about LTE-U ! :) 

Faisal Imtiaz 
Snappy Internet & Telecom 
7266 SW 48 Street 
Miami, FL 33155 
Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 

Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net 

> From: "Paul McCall" 
> To: af@afmug.com
> Sent: Sunday, August 14, 2016 3:28:32 PM
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] ePMP2000 vs. Mimosa A5 deployments

> The A5C is not tuned for small cells? Can you elaborate a bit?

> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Faisal Imtiaz
> Sent: Sunday, August 14, 2016 3:02 PM
> To: af@afmug.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] ePMP2000 vs. Mimosa A5 deployments

> I would love to see input from others on this..

> My personal opinion at the moment is 

> One cannot go wrong with either of these two.. both are excellent products.

> Both are in the process of getting fully baked, both mfg have an excellent
> reputation for delivering on their laid out road-map.

> So far, from what I have seen, the cost of deployment for the size of
> deployment, and any prior existing relationships with one or the other mfg. 
> may
> influence the ultimate choice.

> While I cannot speak for Cambium folks, but will tell you that Mimosa folks 
> have
> been advocating heavily small cell type deployment and their A5 (not the 'c')
> version are very much tuned and designed for such deployments. Ultimately as
> Metro WISPs, due to the congested environments getting worse, we may be forced
> to embrace that model sooner than later.

> Faisal Imtiaz
> Snappy Internet & Telecom
> 7266 SW 48 Street
> Miami, FL 33155
> Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232

> Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net

>> From: "Paul McCall" < pa...@pdmnet.net >
>> To: af@afmug.com
>> Sent: Sunday, August 14, 2016 2:19:21 PM
>> Subject: [AFMUG] ePMP2000 vs. Mimosa A5 deployments
>> New towers which would you choose?

>> (assuming inventory is in stock)

>> We have a couple new towers... each connected with lots of BW and we have to
>> compete with the cable company somewhat

Re: [AFMUG] cloud sip pbx for home use?

additional cost and additional latency

On Sun, Aug 14, 2016 at 2:33 PM, Faisal Imtiaz  wrote:
> What is stopping you from running an instance of Freepbx on a VPS ?
>
> Faisal Imtiaz
> Snappy Internet & Telecom
> 7266 SW 48 Street
> Miami, FL 33155
> Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232
>
> Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net
>
> - Original Message -
>> From: "Josh Reynolds" 
>> To: af@afmug.com
>> Sent: Sunday, August 14, 2016 3:29:14 PM
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] cloud sip pbx for home use?
>
>> You missed the "cloud" part :P
>>
>> On Sun, Aug 14, 2016 at 2:19 PM, Faisal Imtiaz  
>> wrote:
>>> Freepbx ?
>>>
>>> Faisal Imtiaz
>>> Snappy Internet & Telecom
>>> 7266 SW 48 Street
>>> Miami, FL 33155
>>> Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232
>>>
>>> Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net
>>>
>>> - Original Message -
 From: "Josh Reynolds" 
 To: af@afmug.com
 Sent: Sunday, August 14, 2016 3:08:27 PM
 Subject: [AFMUG] cloud sip pbx for home use?
>>>
 Looking for something with a decent (voicemail, ring groups, etc)
 feature set and reasonable cost for home use. Cloud PBX.

 Any suggestions?

 I basically just want something I can setup in the cloud and connect a
>> >> few sip clients too.

Re: [AFMUG] cloud sip pbx for home use?

What is stopping you from running an instance of Freepbx on a VPS ?

Faisal Imtiaz
Snappy Internet & Telecom
7266 SW 48 Street
Miami, FL 33155
Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232

Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net

- Original Message -
> From: "Josh Reynolds" 
> To: af@afmug.com
> Sent: Sunday, August 14, 2016 3:29:14 PM
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] cloud sip pbx for home use?

> You missed the "cloud" part :P
> 
> On Sun, Aug 14, 2016 at 2:19 PM, Faisal Imtiaz  
> wrote:
>> Freepbx ?
>>
>> Faisal Imtiaz
>> Snappy Internet & Telecom
>> 7266 SW 48 Street
>> Miami, FL 33155
>> Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232
>>
>> Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net
>>
>> - Original Message -
>>> From: "Josh Reynolds" 
>>> To: af@afmug.com
>>> Sent: Sunday, August 14, 2016 3:08:27 PM
>>> Subject: [AFMUG] cloud sip pbx for home use?
>>
>>> Looking for something with a decent (voicemail, ring groups, etc)
>>> feature set and reasonable cost for home use. Cloud PBX.
>>>
>>> Any suggestions?
>>>
>>> I basically just want something I can setup in the cloud and connect a
> >> few sip clients too.

Re: [AFMUG] cloud sip pbx for home use?

You missed the "cloud" part :P

On Sun, Aug 14, 2016 at 2:19 PM, Faisal Imtiaz  wrote:
> Freepbx ?
>
> Faisal Imtiaz
> Snappy Internet & Telecom
> 7266 SW 48 Street
> Miami, FL 33155
> Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232
>
> Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net
>
> - Original Message -
>> From: "Josh Reynolds" 
>> To: af@afmug.com
>> Sent: Sunday, August 14, 2016 3:08:27 PM
>> Subject: [AFMUG] cloud sip pbx for home use?
>
>> Looking for something with a decent (voicemail, ring groups, etc)
>> feature set and reasonable cost for home use. Cloud PBX.
>>
>> Any suggestions?
>>
>> I basically just want something I can setup in the cloud and connect a
>> few sip clients too.

Re: [AFMUG] ePMP2000 vs. Mimosa A5 deployments

The A5C is not tuned for small cells?  Can you elaborate a bit?

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Faisal Imtiaz
Sent: Sunday, August 14, 2016 3:02 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] ePMP2000 vs. Mimosa A5 deployments

I would love to see input from others on this..

My personal opinion at the moment is 

One cannot go wrong with either of these two.. both are excellent products.
Both are in the process of getting fully baked, both mfg have an excellent 
reputation for delivering on their laid out road-map.

So far, from what I have seen, the cost of deployment for the size of 
deployment, and any prior existing relationships with one or the other mfg. may 
influence the ultimate choice.

While I cannot speak for Cambium folks, but will tell you that Mimosa folks 
have been advocating heavily small cell type deployment and their A5 (not the 
'c') version are very much tuned and designed for such deployments. Ultimately 
as  Metro WISPs, due to the congested environments getting worse, we may be 
forced to embrace that model sooner than later.

Faisal Imtiaz
Snappy Internet & Telecom
7266 SW 48 Street
Miami, FL 33155
Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232

Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: 
supp...@snappytelecom.net

From: "Paul McCall" >
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Sunday, August 14, 2016 2:19:21 PM
Subject: [AFMUG] ePMP2000 vs. Mimosa A5  deployments
New towers which would you choose?

(assuming inventory is in stock)

We have a couple new towers... each connected with lots of BW and we have to 
compete with the cable company somewhat

Re: [AFMUG] cloud sip pbx for home use?

Freepbx ? 

Faisal Imtiaz
Snappy Internet & Telecom
7266 SW 48 Street
Miami, FL 33155
Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232

Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net

- Original Message -
> From: "Josh Reynolds" 
> To: af@afmug.com
> Sent: Sunday, August 14, 2016 3:08:27 PM
> Subject: [AFMUG] cloud sip pbx for home use?

> Looking for something with a decent (voicemail, ring groups, etc)
> feature set and reasonable cost for home use. Cloud PBX.
> 
> Any suggestions?
> 
> I basically just want something I can setup in the cloud and connect a
> few sip clients too.

Re: [AFMUG] cloud sip pbx for home use?

2016-08-14 Thread Jim Bouse [Brazos WiFi]

Check out voip.ms

It is cheap and works well.




Jim Bouse

Owner

Brazos WiFi

979-985-5912

j...@brazoswifi.com


 Original message 
From: Josh Reynolds 
Date: 8/14/16 2:08 PM (GMT-06:00)
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] cloud sip pbx for home use?

Looking for something with a decent (voicemail, ring groups, etc)
feature set and reasonable cost for home use. Cloud PBX.

Any suggestions?

I basically just want something I can setup in the cloud and connect a
few sip clients too.

Re: [AFMUG] DWDM Gear

Cool .. very cool ..

Thanks Faisal for your help as always .. Josh for your comments... appreciate 
it...

Paul


-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Josh Reynolds
Sent: August 14, 2016 3:02 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] DWDM Gear

The fiberstore CWDM stuff is stupid cheap and just works. It's passive after 
all. I haven't used any of their DWDM equipment.

On Sun, Aug 14, 2016 at 1:49 PM, Faisal Imtiaz  wrote:
> There are some excellent tutorials on this topic.
>
> Fiberstore has a very nice collection of them...
>
> http://www.fs.com/wdm-networking-cid-9.html
>
> Start with the tutorial on basics first and then build on it with others.
>
> http://www.fs.com/do-you-know-all-these-terminologies-of-wdm-technolog
> y-aid-474.html
>
>
> Here is another nice set of tutorials, clearly written..
> http://www.fiber-optic-tutorial.com/category/network-solutions/wdm-opt
> ical-network/cwdm-dwdm-mux-demux
>
> ** The only difference conversationally between an "Active" vs "Passive" 
> CWDM/DWDM gear is as to who is doing the 'Standard Color'  to "CWDM/DWDM" 
> optical conversions.
> This is what consumes/requires external power. (aka, media converter 
> packaging)
>
> if you take a media converter and a passive mux/demux put it into one 
> box, that now becomes an active solution if you take the media converter out, 
> as a separate box, then the mux/demux is considered to be a passive solution.
>
> If the gear on both sides is under your control, then you can skip the 
> media converters and just put in the matching colored optics in your gear on 
> both sides Otherwise you deploy a media converter to convert between the 
> colored optics to standard optics... both in context of Ethernet as well as 
> TDM).
>
> In regards to distance and ring topology..there is no issue, just how you 
> design the fiber path... aka fiber light link budget and optic's receive 
> sensitivity.. just like RSSI on a Fixed Wireless link.. There are standard 
> figures you can use for link loss, each panel appox 1 to 1.5db, (e.g. if the 
> TX is 1-4dbm, and Rx sensitivity is 15dbm, you have approx 12-15db margin... 
> using two muxes each with a 4.5db insertion loss, gives you 3-5db for other 
> losses..but if your mux has an insertion loss of 6db then you will need 
> to look at longer range optics, (higher tx power and higher rx sensitivity, 
> resulting in more expensive optics).
>
>
>>Any particular vendors of the passive MUX, colored optics etc that you prefer 
>>and have worked well?
> I have been happy and comfortable in working with the FiberStore 
> (fs.com) There are other vendors which others have worked with.
>
> To me, after everything has clicked together in my understanding I now 
> look at a passive mux in the same manner I would look at a Spool of Ethernet 
> cable..
> i.e. look at the specs, and the product, the cost, the name of the mfg. makes 
> little difference other then consistency in delivery and standing behind the 
> delivered product for the first 30/60 days.
>
>> It sounds like the costs are mainly the electronics to take the 
>> colored paths and "convert" them back to normal wavelength if I'm not 
>> missing something...
>
> Yep, bingo you are starting to understand it...
>
>
> And most important, don't forget to buy a Light Meter, it does not have to be 
> anything fancy even a cheap one ($50) is good enough for deployment purposes, 
> since you can get relative information from it.
>
> Regards.
>
> Faisal Imtiaz
> Snappy Internet & Telecom
> 7266 SW 48 Street
> Miami, FL 33155
> Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232
>
> Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net
>
> - Original Message -
>> From: "Paul Stewart" 
>> To: af@afmug.com
>> Sent: Sunday, August 14, 2016 2:07:01 PM
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] DWDM Gear
>
>> Thanks very much - much appreciate this ...
>>
>> Optical stuff has always been a "weak area" for me ... worked around 
>> them for years but 'spoiled' that we added X, Y, and Z per vendor 
>> recommendations along with a web interface and things just worked ;)
>>
>> My comments re: colored optics though were very specific to what I 
>> consider an "active" solution.  A solution where we wouldn't have to 
>> put the colored optics specifically into switches on each side for 
>> example - realizing that the optics in the "solution" do the actual 
>> work .. I'm seen some passive systems where you have to put colored 
>> optics into your network gear for example.  Those systems were pretty 
>> cool though in the sense where you didn't have to power them at all
>> - but that's not what we want to accomplish here .. a number of these 
>> fibers we don't "own" both ends for example.  Using an 'active' 
>> solution we can jump into the middle of the fiber no problem but for 
>> handoff to the network itself we need "standard" optics in place.
>>
>> For distance, this two

[AFMUG] cloud sip pbx for home use?

Looking for something with a decent (voicemail, ring groups, etc)
feature set and reasonable cost for home use. Cloud PBX.

Any suggestions?

I basically just want something I can setup in the cloud and connect a
few sip clients too.

Re: [AFMUG] DWDM Gear

The fiberstore CWDM stuff is stupid cheap and just works. It's passive
after all. I haven't used any of their DWDM equipment.

On Sun, Aug 14, 2016 at 1:49 PM, Faisal Imtiaz  wrote:
> There are some excellent tutorials on this topic.
>
> Fiberstore has a very nice collection of them...
>
> http://www.fs.com/wdm-networking-cid-9.html
>
> Start with the tutorial on basics first and then build on it with others.
>
> http://www.fs.com/do-you-know-all-these-terminologies-of-wdm-technology-aid-474.html
>
>
> Here is another nice set of tutorials, clearly written..
> http://www.fiber-optic-tutorial.com/category/network-solutions/wdm-optical-network/cwdm-dwdm-mux-demux
>
> ** The only difference conversationally between an "Active" vs "Passive" 
> CWDM/DWDM gear is as to who is doing the 'Standard Color'  to "CWDM/DWDM" 
> optical conversions.
> This is what consumes/requires external power. (aka, media converter 
> packaging)
>
> if you take a media converter and a passive mux/demux put it into one box, 
> that now becomes an active solution
> if you take the media converter out, as a separate box, then the mux/demux is 
> considered to be a passive solution.
>
> If the gear on both sides is under your control, then you can skip the media 
> converters and just put in the matching colored optics in your gear on both 
> sides
> Otherwise you deploy a media converter to convert between the colored optics 
> to standard optics... both in context of Ethernet as well as TDM).
>
> In regards to distance and ring topology..there is no issue, just how you 
> design the fiber path... aka fiber light link budget and optic's receive 
> sensitivity.. just like RSSI on a Fixed Wireless link.. There are standard 
> figures you can use for link loss, each panel appox 1 to 1.5db, (e.g. if the 
> TX is 1-4dbm, and Rx sensitivity is 15dbm, you have approx 12-15db margin... 
> using two muxes each with a 4.5db insertion loss, gives you 3-5db for other 
> losses..but if your mux has an insertion loss of 6db then you will need 
> to look at longer range optics, (higher tx power and higher rx sensitivity, 
> resulting in more expensive optics).
>
>
>>Any particular vendors of the passive MUX, colored optics etc that you prefer 
>>and have worked well?
> I have been happy and comfortable in working with the FiberStore (fs.com)
> There are other vendors which others have worked with.
>
> To me, after everything has clicked together in my understanding I now 
> look at a passive mux in the same manner I would look at a Spool of Ethernet 
> cable..
> i.e. look at the specs, and the product, the cost, the name of the mfg. makes 
> little difference other then consistency in delivery and standing behind the 
> delivered product for the first 30/60 days.
>
>> It sounds like the costs are mainly the electronics to take the colored 
>> paths and "convert" them back to normal wavelength if I'm not
>> missing something...
>
> Yep, bingo you are starting to understand it...
>
>
> And most important, don't forget to buy a Light Meter, it does not have to be 
> anything fancy even a cheap one ($50) is good enough for deployment purposes, 
> since you can get relative information from it.
>
> Regards.
>
> Faisal Imtiaz
> Snappy Internet & Telecom
> 7266 SW 48 Street
> Miami, FL 33155
> Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232
>
> Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net
>
> - Original Message -
>> From: "Paul Stewart" 
>> To: af@afmug.com
>> Sent: Sunday, August 14, 2016 2:07:01 PM
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] DWDM Gear
>
>> Thanks very much - much appreciate this ...
>>
>> Optical stuff has always been a "weak area" for me ... worked around them for
>> years but 'spoiled' that we added X, Y, and Z per vendor recommendations 
>> along
>> with a web interface and things just worked ;)
>>
>> My comments re: colored optics though were very specific to what I consider 
>> an
>> "active" solution.  A solution where we wouldn't have to put the colored 
>> optics
>> specifically into switches on each side for example - realizing that the 
>> optics
>> in the "solution" do the actual work .. I'm seen some passive systems where 
>> you
>> have to put colored optics into your network gear for example.  Those systems
>> were pretty cool though in the sense where you didn't have to power them at 
>> all
>> - but that's not what we want to accomplish here .. a number of these fibers 
>> we
>> don't "own" both ends for example.  Using an 'active' solution we can jump 
>> into
>> the middle of the fiber no problem but for handoff to the network itself we
>> need "standard" optics in place.
>>
>> For distance, this two locations with two paths so a ring topology  one 
>> path
>> is 1.1KM and the other path is approximately 3.2KM in length (geographic
>> diversity between locations, separate cable entranceways, separate risers 
>> etc)
>> so nice short run.  Today we are just using 10KM

Re: [AFMUG] ePMP2000 vs. Mimosa A5 deployments

I would love to see input from others on this.. 

My personal opinion at the moment is  

One cannot go wrong with either of these two.. both are excellent products. 
Both are in the process of getting fully baked, both mfg have an excellent 
reputation for delivering on their laid out road-map. 

So far, from what I have seen, the cost of deployment for the size of 
deployment, and any prior existing relationships with one or the other mfg. may 
influence the ultimate choice. 

While I cannot speak for Cambium folks, but will tell you that Mimosa folks 
have been advocating heavily small cell type deployment and their A5 (not the 
'c') version are very much tuned and designed for such deployments. Ultimately 
as Metro WISPs, due to the congested environments getting worse, we may be 
forced to embrace that model sooner than later. 

Faisal Imtiaz 
Snappy Internet & Telecom 
7266 SW 48 Street 
Miami, FL 33155 
Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 

Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net 

> From: "Paul McCall" 
> To: af@afmug.com
> Sent: Sunday, August 14, 2016 2:19:21 PM
> Subject: [AFMUG] ePMP2000 vs. Mimosa A5 deployments

> New towers which would you choose?

> (assuming inventory is in stock)

> We have a couple new towers... each connected with lots of BW and we have to
> compete with the cable company somewhat

Re: [AFMUG] DWDM Gear

There are some excellent tutorials on this topic.

Fiberstore has a very nice collection of them...

http://www.fs.com/wdm-networking-cid-9.html

Start with the tutorial on basics first and then build on it with others.

http://www.fs.com/do-you-know-all-these-terminologies-of-wdm-technology-aid-474.html


Here is another nice set of tutorials, clearly written..
http://www.fiber-optic-tutorial.com/category/network-solutions/wdm-optical-network/cwdm-dwdm-mux-demux

** The only difference conversationally between an "Active" vs "Passive" 
CWDM/DWDM gear is as to who is doing the 'Standard Color'  to "CWDM/DWDM" 
optical conversions.
This is what consumes/requires external power. (aka, media converter packaging)

if you take a media converter and a passive mux/demux put it into one box, that 
now becomes an active solution
if you take the media converter out, as a separate box, then the mux/demux is 
considered to be a passive solution.

If the gear on both sides is under your control, then you can skip the media 
converters and just put in the matching colored optics in your gear on both 
sides
Otherwise you deploy a media converter to convert between the colored optics to 
standard optics... both in context of Ethernet as well as TDM).

In regards to distance and ring topology..there is no issue, just how you 
design the fiber path... aka fiber light link budget and optic's receive 
sensitivity.. just like RSSI on a Fixed Wireless link.. There are standard 
figures you can use for link loss, each panel appox 1 to 1.5db, (e.g. if the TX 
is 1-4dbm, and Rx sensitivity is 15dbm, you have approx 12-15db margin... using 
two muxes each with a 4.5db insertion loss, gives you 3-5db for other 
losses..but if your mux has an insertion loss of 6db then you will need to 
look at longer range optics, (higher tx power and higher rx sensitivity, 
resulting in more expensive optics).
  

>Any particular vendors of the passive MUX, colored optics etc that you prefer 
>and have worked well? 
I have been happy and comfortable in working with the FiberStore (fs.com) 
There are other vendors which others have worked with.

To me, after everything has clicked together in my understanding I now look 
at a passive mux in the same manner I would look at a Spool of Ethernet cable.. 
i.e. look at the specs, and the product, the cost, the name of the mfg. makes 
little difference other then consistency in delivery and standing behind the 
delivered product for the first 30/60 days.

> It sounds like the costs are mainly the electronics to take the colored paths 
> and "convert" them back to normal wavelength if I'm not
> missing something...

Yep, bingo you are starting to understand it...


And most important, don't forget to buy a Light Meter, it does not have to be 
anything fancy even a cheap one ($50) is good enough for deployment purposes, 
since you can get relative information from it.

Regards. 

Faisal Imtiaz
Snappy Internet & Telecom
7266 SW 48 Street
Miami, FL 33155
Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232

Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net

- Original Message -
> From: "Paul Stewart" 
> To: af@afmug.com
> Sent: Sunday, August 14, 2016 2:07:01 PM
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] DWDM Gear

> Thanks very much - much appreciate this ...
> 
> Optical stuff has always been a "weak area" for me ... worked around them for
> years but 'spoiled' that we added X, Y, and Z per vendor recommendations along
> with a web interface and things just worked ;)
> 
> My comments re: colored optics though were very specific to what I consider an
> "active" solution.  A solution where we wouldn't have to put the colored 
> optics
> specifically into switches on each side for example - realizing that the 
> optics
> in the "solution" do the actual work .. I'm seen some passive systems where 
> you
> have to put colored optics into your network gear for example.  Those systems
> were pretty cool though in the sense where you didn't have to power them at 
> all
> - but that's not what we want to accomplish here .. a number of these fibers 
> we
> don't "own" both ends for example.  Using an 'active' solution we can jump 
> into
> the middle of the fiber no problem but for handoff to the network itself we
> need "standard" optics in place.
> 
> For distance, this two locations with two paths so a ring topology  one 
> path
> is 1.1KM and the other path is approximately 3.2KM in length (geographic
> diversity between locations, separate cable entranceways, separate risers etc)
> so nice short run.  Today we are just using 10KM single mode optics but 
> burning
> fibers at a rapid rate 
> 
> Any particular vendors of the passive MUX, colored optics etc that you prefer
> and have worked well?  It sounds like the costs are mainly the electronics to
> take the colored paths and "convert" them back to normal wavelength if I'm not
> missing something...
> 
> Again - thanks ... appreciate this

Re: [AFMUG] ePMP2000 vs. Mimosa A5 deployments

300+ Megs

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Ken Hohhof
Sent: Sunday, August 14, 2016 2:37 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] ePMP2000 vs. Mimosa A5 deployments

Out of curiosity, how much is “lots of BW”?

From: Paul McCall
Sent: Sunday, August 14, 2016 1:19 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] ePMP2000 vs. Mimosa A5 deployments

New towers which would you choose?

(assuming inventory is in stock)

We have a couple new towers... each connected with lots of BW and we have to 
compete with the cable company somewhat

Re: [AFMUG] ePMP2000 vs. Mimosa A5 deployments

2016-08-14 Thread Ken Hohhof

Out of curiosity, how much is “lots of BW”?

From: Paul McCall 
Sent: Sunday, August 14, 2016 1:19 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: [AFMUG] ePMP2000 vs. Mimosa A5 deployments

New towers which would you choose?  

(assuming inventory is in stock)

We have a couple new towers... each connected with lots of BW and we have to 
compete with the cable company somewhat

[AFMUG] ePMP2000 vs. Mimosa A5 deployments

New towers which would you choose?

(assuming inventory is in stock)

We have a couple new towers... each connected with lots of BW and we have to 
compete with the cable company somewhat

Re: [AFMUG] DWDM Gear

Thanks very much - much appreciate this ...

Optical stuff has always been a "weak area" for me ... worked around them for 
years but 'spoiled' that we added X, Y, and Z per vendor recommendations along 
with a web interface and things just worked ;)

My comments re: colored optics though were very specific to what I consider an 
"active" solution.  A solution where we wouldn't have to put the colored optics 
specifically into switches on each side for example - realizing that the optics 
in the "solution" do the actual work .. I'm seen some passive systems where you 
have to put colored optics into your network gear for example.  Those systems 
were pretty cool though in the sense where you didn't have to power them at all 
- but that's not what we want to accomplish here .. a number of these fibers we 
don't "own" both ends for example.  Using an 'active' solution we can jump into 
the middle of the fiber no problem but for handoff to the network itself we 
need "standard" optics in place.

For distance, this two locations with two paths so a ring topology  one 
path is 1.1KM and the other path is approximately 3.2KM in length (geographic 
diversity between locations, separate cable entranceways, separate risers etc) 
so nice short run.  Today we are just using 10KM single mode optics but burning 
fibers at a rapid rate 

Any particular vendors of the passive MUX, colored optics etc that you prefer 
and have worked well?  It sounds like the costs are mainly the electronics to 
take the colored paths and "convert" them back to normal wavelength if I'm not 
missing something...

Again - thanks ... appreciate this and really like the "build your own" 
approach ... with savings expected it makes it easier to look at sparing etc 
too 

Paul




-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Faisal Imtiaz
Sent: August 14, 2016 1:04 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] DWDM Gear

I just want to drill down, for the sake of an in-depth conversation, not just 
for you but for others who are lurking as well...

see my answers inline below:-

Faisal Imtiaz
Snappy Internet & Telecom
7266 SW 48 Street
Miami, FL 33155
Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232

Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net

- Original Message -
> From: "Paul Stewart" 
> To: af@afmug.com
> Sent: Sunday, August 14, 2016 12:32:57 PM
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] DWDM Gear

> Thanks for that
> 
> We want something managed and can be monitored ...

There is no difference, or anything lost, in this arena, between an 'Active 
Solution' vs a "designed/yourself passive" solution.

> modular in nature if possible.

There is no "Canned solution" that can beat the a 'designed passive solution' 
in this area.


>  Thinking active as the "endpoints" (routers and/or switches) we do not want 
> to utilize colored optics nor can we support it in some situations ...
> so MUX for sure.
>

I think you are mis-understand how this actually works/gets implemented...
All CWDM/DWDM solutions have a passive fiber Mux/Demux in the box, the only 
difference is what you see (out side the box) as optic options.

e.g.  each side just looks like this..  (passive mux/demux)---> {(Colored 
optics <--> SMF Optics)in a managed Media Converter}
(One can use a managed modular media converter or a managed switch for 
this).

> While we operate a WISP, this is part of our core network in one city 
> between two data centers so we want high quality

There is nothing 'lost' or 'gained' in this area, only the perception of what 
is under the hood.

> with a lower than we're used to price tag :)  We would start with 
> 40x10G likely and see how it goes

Be prepaid for some serious pain to the wallet for lots of marketing BS to 
justify that from those selling canned solutions. 
Also pay attention to the Cost and power range of the required optics, (do you 
power budget calcs due to insertion loss)

My suggestion would be as follows:-
For a moment, forget about which solution you are going to buy, take a bit of 
time to 'engineer' a passive solution, and just pencil in the figures, for all 
the components...

Use this as a baseline to value the solution you are actually looking to buy, 
or negotiate for...

(when I do such an exercise, 40c DWDM mux/demux units are running less than $2k 
each, low insertion loss units(3-4.5db), 100mhz channels,  Colored optics (15db 
margin) are under $300 each. You can add 10g SFP+/SFP+ media converter for each 
side ($900each) or you can add your favorite brand of 10g 48 port switches to 
each side ...(running anything between $1000 to $1500 on the 2ndary markets).

This would help in establish the value proposition and make you comfortable 
with what you end up going with.


> 
> 
> Thanks!
> Paul
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Faisal Imtiaz
> Sent: August 14, 2016 11:16 AM
> To: af@afmug.com
> Subject:

Re: [AFMUG] QOS on PTP450?

2016-08-14 Thread Steve D

Not familiar with the PTP450's but on the 230's and 100's you could only
set CIR in the PTP firmware (eg., 28 would be the _minimum_ they'd push
instead of the desired maximum).
I'm fairly positive when I evaluated a pair back when they first came out
they still couldn't do MIR (kinda dumb), but we never did install anymore
and perhaps firmware updates since do allow this now.

On Sun, Aug 14, 2016 at 9:27 AM, Bill Prince  wrote:

> It was showing 60 Mbps going through all the interfaces all the way to our
> feed (3 routers), and we are measuring the ethernet to his router, so I
> assume it is all going through.
>
>
> bp
> 
>
>
> On 8/14/2016 9:22 AM, Mike Hammett wrote:
>
> 60 megs hitting the SM or just 60 megs inbound before the QOS?
>
>
>
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Midwest Internet Exchange 
> 
> 
> 
> The Brothers WISP 
> 
>
>
> 
> --
> *From: *"Bill Prince"  
> *To: *"Motorola III"  
> *Sent: *Sunday, August 14, 2016 11:19:30 AM
> *Subject: *[AFMUG] QOS on PTP450?
>
>
> We have an account that has a 24x24 dedicated connection on a PTP450. We
> set the QOS on the slave to 28x28 to account for slop, but noticed this
> weekend we noticed him running a 60 Mbps download for almost the whole day.
>
> Does the QOS actually work on the PTP450, or do we need to do something
> external?
>
>
> --
>
> bp
> 
>
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] DWDM Gear

I just want to drill down, for the sake of an in-depth conversation, not just 
for you but for others who are lurking as well...

see my answers inline below:-

Faisal Imtiaz
Snappy Internet & Telecom
7266 SW 48 Street
Miami, FL 33155
Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232

Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net

- Original Message -
> From: "Paul Stewart" 
> To: af@afmug.com
> Sent: Sunday, August 14, 2016 12:32:57 PM
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] DWDM Gear

> Thanks for that
> 
> We want something managed and can be monitored ...

There is no difference, or anything lost, in this arena, between an 'Active 
Solution' vs a "designed/yourself passive" solution.

> modular in nature if possible.

There is no "Canned solution" that can beat the a 'designed passive solution' 
in this area.


>  Thinking active as the "endpoints" (routers and/or switches) we do not want 
> to utilize colored optics nor can we support it in some situations ...
> so MUX for sure.
>

I think you are mis-understand how this actually works/gets implemented...
All CWDM/DWDM solutions have a passive fiber Mux/Demux in the box, the only 
difference is what you see (out side the box) as optic options.

e.g.  each side just looks like this..  (passive mux/demux)---> {(Colored 
optics <--> SMF Optics)in a managed Media Converter}
(One can use a managed modular media converter or a managed switch for 
this).

> While we operate a WISP, this is part of our core network in one city between 
> two data centers so we want high quality

There is nothing 'lost' or 'gained' in this area, only the perception of what 
is under the hood.

> with a lower than we're used to price tag :)  We would start with 40x10G 
> likely and see how it goes

Be prepaid for some serious pain to the wallet for lots of marketing BS to 
justify that from those selling canned solutions. 
Also pay attention to the Cost and power range of the required optics, (do you 
power budget calcs due to insertion loss)

My suggestion would be as follows:-
For a moment, forget about which solution you are going to buy, take a bit of 
time to 'engineer' a passive solution, and just pencil in the figures, for all 
the components...

Use this as a baseline to value the solution you are actually looking to buy, 
or negotiate for...

(when I do such an exercise, 40c DWDM mux/demux units are running less than $2k 
each, low insertion loss units(3-4.5db), 100mhz channels,  Colored optics (15db 
margin) are under $300 each. You can add 10g SFP+/SFP+ media converter for each 
side ($900each) or you can add your favorite brand of 10g 48 port switches to 
each side ...(running anything between $1000 to $1500 on the 2ndary markets).

This would help in establish the value proposition and make you comfortable 
with what you end up going with.


> 
> 
> Thanks!
> Paul
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Faisal Imtiaz
> Sent: August 14, 2016 11:16 AM
> To: af@afmug.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] DWDM Gear
> 
> Technically speaking, there  is no magic to CWDM or DWDM solution
> You can go with a 'canned' solution from folks such as Ciena/Cisco/etc etc etc
> or you can create your own with the required pieces, in the simplest form all
> one needs is  couple of passive Mux/Demux units, colored optics and a
> Switch/Media Converters (ones that you can read the light levels from).
> 
> Depending on length of the fiber, you may or may not need anything more (such 
> as
> regen units, amps etc). If you are going to design a solution using passive
> Mux/Demux do pay attention to the insertion loss figures on the different
> products.
> 
> In my opinion, doing a CWDM/DWDM design calculations for a WiSP should be 
> fairly
> easy to understand.
> 
> The benefit in designing your own solution, you gain a much better 
> understanding
> on what you can do and what you cannot do... (e.g. do you know that you can
> potentially stack a DWDM solution right behind a CWDM passive mux ?  and
> you will end up with a much more flexible solution, at a fraction of the cost
> of a comparable canned solution.
> 
> We did a CWDM (8ch) passive solution, along with colored optics, 10g Switches
> between 4 different Data Center, for under $12k a couple of years back.
> They way we optimized our design for initial cost, while maintaining the 
> ability
> to expand my adding another CWDM or DWDM mux in the future.
> 
> (We went with gear from Fiberstore, we did consult them with our solution, and
> they offered us Mux/DeMux units with even lower insertion loss that those
> listed on their website for a slight premium, which in our case was well worth
> it)
> 
> 
> Faisal Imtiaz
> Snappy Internet & Telecom
> 7266 SW 48 Street
> Miami, FL 33155
> Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232
> 
> Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net
> 
> - Original Message -
>> From: "Justin Wilson" 
>>

Re: [AFMUG] DWDM Gear

Thanks for that

We want something managed and can be monitored ... modular in nature if 
possible.  Thinking active as the "endpoints" (routers and/or switches) we do 
not want to utilize colored optics nor can we support it in some situations ... 
so MUX for sure.

While we operate a WISP, this is part of our core network in one city between 
two data centers so we want high quality with a lower than we're used to price 
tag :)  We would start with 40x10G likely and see how it goes

Thanks!
Paul

-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Faisal Imtiaz
Sent: August 14, 2016 11:16 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] DWDM Gear

Technically speaking, there  is no magic to CWDM or DWDM solution
You can go with a 'canned' solution from folks such as Ciena/Cisco/etc etc etc 
or you can create your own with the required pieces, in the simplest form all 
one needs is  couple of passive Mux/Demux units, colored optics and a 
Switch/Media Converters (ones that you can read the light levels from).

Depending on length of the fiber, you may or may not need anything more (such 
as regen units, amps etc). If you are going to design a solution using passive 
Mux/Demux do pay attention to the insertion loss figures on the different 
products.

In my opinion, doing a CWDM/DWDM design calculations for a WiSP should be 
fairly easy to understand.

The benefit in designing your own solution, you gain a much better 
understanding on what you can do and what you cannot do... (e.g. do you know 
that you can potentially stack a DWDM solution right behind a CWDM passive mux 
?  and you will end up with a much more flexible solution, at a fraction of 
the cost of a comparable canned solution.

We did a CWDM (8ch) passive solution, along with colored optics, 10g Switches 
between 4 different Data Center, for under $12k a couple of years back.
They way we optimized our design for initial cost, while maintaining the 
ability to expand my adding another CWDM or DWDM mux in the future. 

(We went with gear from Fiberstore, we did consult them with our solution, and 
they offered us Mux/DeMux units with even lower insertion loss that those 
listed on their website for a slight premium, which in our case was well worth 
it)

Faisal Imtiaz
Snappy Internet & Telecom
7266 SW 48 Street
Miami, FL 33155
Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232

Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net

- Original Message -
> From: "Justin Wilson" 
> To: af@afmug.com
> Sent: Sunday, August 14, 2016 10:52:02 AM
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] DWDM Gear

> Are you looking for active or passive?
> 
> We just replaced a failing Ciena Mux with an 18 channel passive mux 
> for a data center client.  Ours was CWDM, but they make a DWDM 
> version.  Total cost was under 5 grand, including spares.  Ciena 
> wanted 24k to update the service contract, update software, and troubleshoot 
> an alarm state.
> 
> Justin Wilson
> j...@mtin.net
> 
> ---
> http://www.mtin.net Owner/CEO
> xISP Solutions- Consulting – Data Centers - Bandwidth
> 
> http://www.midwest-ix.com  COO/Chairman Internet Exchange - Peering - 
> Distributed Fabric
> 
>> On Aug 14, 2016, at 10:41 AM, Chuck McCown  wrote:
>> 
>> I have always used Cyan.
>> 
>> -Original Message- From: Paul Stewart
>> Sent: Sunday, August 14, 2016 7:30 AM
>> To: Animal Farm
>> Subject: [AFMUG] DWDM Gear
>> 
>> For those folks doing DWDM on fiber, whats your preferred equipment and why?
>> 
>> We currently use BTI equipment which works extremely well but it’s 
>> priced in the same ballpark as Ciena, Nortel, Cisco etc … quite 
>> expensive to deploy. Hoping to find something more economical but 
>> just as reliable?  By reliable I mean that it’s deployed for years 
>> without having to do anything service impacting to it.  For this particular 
>> deployment I’m thinking of, ROADM isn’t important
>> neither.   Prefer active solution vs passive.  CWDM would even be ok at this
>> point to consider …
>> 
>> Basically looking at ways to cut down on 10G fibers between two 
>> physical locations (the fiber is leased)
>> 
>> thanks,
>> Paul

Re: [AFMUG] QOS on PTP450?

2016-08-14 Thread Bill Prince

It was showing 60 Mbps going through all the interfaces all the way to 
our feed (3 routers), and we are measuring the ethernet to his router, 
so I assume it is all going through.



bp


On 8/14/2016 9:22 AM, Mike Hammett wrote:

60 megs hitting the SM or just 60 megs inbound before the QOS?



-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 





*From: *"Bill Prince" 
*To: *"Motorola III" 
*Sent: *Sunday, August 14, 2016 11:19:30 AM
*Subject: *[AFMUG] QOS on PTP450?


We have an account that has a 24x24 dedicated connection on a PTP450. We
set the QOS on the slave to 28x28 to account for slop, but noticed this
weekend we noticed him running a 60 Mbps download for almost the whole 
day.


Does the QOS actually work on the PTP450, or do we need to do something
external?


--

bp

Re: [AFMUG] DWDM Gear

Active is what I'm thinking .. 

-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Justin Wilson
Sent: August 14, 2016 10:52 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] DWDM Gear

Are you looking for active or passive?

We just replaced a failing Ciena Mux with an 18 channel passive mux for a data 
center client.  Ours was CWDM, but they make a DWDM version.  Total cost was 
under 5 grand, including spares.  Ciena wanted 24k to update the service 
contract, update software, and troubleshoot an alarm state.

Justin Wilson
j...@mtin.net

---
http://www.mtin.net Owner/CEO
xISP Solutions- Consulting – Data Centers - Bandwidth

http://www.midwest-ix.com  COO/Chairman
Internet Exchange - Peering - Distributed Fabric

> On Aug 14, 2016, at 10:41 AM, Chuck McCown  wrote:
> 
> I have always used Cyan.
> 
> -Original Message- From: Paul Stewart
> Sent: Sunday, August 14, 2016 7:30 AM
> To: Animal Farm
> Subject: [AFMUG] DWDM Gear
> 
> For those folks doing DWDM on fiber, whats your preferred equipment and why?
> 
> We currently use BTI equipment which works extremely well but it’s priced in 
> the same ballpark as Ciena, Nortel, Cisco etc … quite expensive to deploy. 
> Hoping to find something more economical but just as reliable?  By reliable I 
> mean that it’s deployed for years without having to do anything service 
> impacting to it.  For this particular deployment I’m thinking of, ROADM isn’t 
> important neither.   Prefer active solution vs passive.  CWDM would even be 
> ok at this point to consider …
> 
> Basically looking at ways to cut down on 10G fibers between two physical 
> locations (the fiber is leased)
> 
> thanks,
> Paul
>

Re: [AFMUG] QOS on PTP450?

60 megs hitting the SM or just 60 megs inbound before the QOS? 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 




- Original Message -

From: "Bill Prince"  
To: "Motorola III"  
Sent: Sunday, August 14, 2016 11:19:30 AM 
Subject: [AFMUG] QOS on PTP450? 


We have an account that has a 24x24 dedicated connection on a PTP450. We 
set the QOS on the slave to 28x28 to account for slop, but noticed this 
weekend we noticed him running a 60 Mbps download for almost the whole day. 

Does the QOS actually work on the PTP450, or do we need to do something 
external? 


-- 

bp

[AFMUG] QOS on PTP450?

2016-08-14 Thread Bill Prince



We have an account that has a 24x24 dedicated connection on a PTP450. We 
set the QOS on the slave to 28x28 to account for slop, but noticed this 
weekend we noticed him running a 60 Mbps download for almost the whole day.


Does the QOS actually work on the PTP450, or do we need to do something 
external?



--

bp

Re: [AFMUG] Who cares if the network is down

2016-08-14 Thread David Milholen

Good stuff Transtector , Tripplite

We use these guys for any AC outlet our gear get plugged into.

https://www.zoro.com/tripp-lite-surge-protector-15a-2-outlet-light-gray-iblok2-0/i/G4579531/?gclid=CLHnst2ewc4CFQioaQodrcQPsg=aw.ds

Youll find similar products used at the big boy sites like verizon and att

We have had a bunch of storms blow thru arkansas in the last year and so
far [knocks on wood] we have not lost any live sites.
We did how ever lose a 450i AP on a site that wasnt fully turned up and
we found a loose ground on the radio. Stainless and Potmetal which is
stronger :)

Do not over torque your ground lugs

On 8/13/2016 9:12 PM, George Skorup wrote:
It's not our site. But we're going to recommend a surge suppressor at
the panel. If they won't do it, then we'll buy the stuff and do it
ourselves. One of those and a 20A double pole breaker under $100. I
forget what we normally use, probably Square D.

On 8/13/2016 8:58 PM, David Milholen wrote:

Did you use an ISO-BLok on your Main AC Line to your gear down stairs??

On 8/13/2016 5:55 PM, George Skorup wrote:
The surge suppressors we have at that site are L-com/Hyperlinks. A
couple were blown top and bottom. Another radio was only the top and
another only the bottom. The 900 AP board wasn't burned up, but
dead. Lost that port on the MikroTik. Both SS's on that were dead.
I'm going to rebuild everything at that site and use GIGE-APCs at
least at the bottom.

What SS did you have on the Mimosa?

On 8/13/2016 5:47 PM, Jason McKemie wrote:
Yeah, I had a Ubiquiti Rocket and some nanobridges on the same
tower, albeit lower, that didn't skip a beat. I go to all of the
trouble of running dedicated power and optical, only to have some
cheap Ubiquiti stuff outlive it - makes you wonder. The surge on
the Mimosa went through the SS and knocked out a port on my CCR -
guess that will have to be replaced as well.

On Sat, Aug 13, 2016 at 5:43 PM, George Skorup > wrote:

Had a 5.7 Cyclone omni and a Antel 900 omni. So we flew the
Phantom up first to see if those antennas were vaporized.
Surprisingly they were still there. The Cyclone still worked,
but the timing port was dead. Power port timing died on it last
year. 450 sectors, AF24 and a Force200 were perfectly fine.
Some stuff and not others, I don't get it. It killed the
inverter in the APC UPS. No doubt it came in on the utility
after discovering that. And then all of the tripped breakers
after that. Yeah, that'll be the next tower to get a DC UPS.
And a whole panel surge suppressor.

On 8/13/2016 5:28 PM, Jason McKemie wrote:

I lost a SIAE radio as well as a Mimosa A5 - both were
properly grounded, the SIAE was optical with dedicated
power wires as well. Also had a couple customer's routers
get fried. Overall, not a fun day. I would rather be at
Lake Shelbyville...

Re: [AFMUG] DWDM Gear

Technically speaking, there  is no magic to CWDM or DWDM solution
You can go with a 'canned' solution from folks such as Ciena/Cisco/etc etc etc
or you can create your own with the required pieces, in the simplest form all 
one needs is  couple of passive Mux/Demux units, colored optics and a 
Switch/Media Converters (ones that you can read the light levels from).

Depending on length of the fiber, you may or may not need anything more (such 
as regen units, amps etc). If you are going to design a solution using passive 
Mux/Demux do pay attention to the insertion loss figures on the different 
products.

In my opinion, doing a CWDM/DWDM design calculations for a WiSP should be 
fairly easy to understand.

The benefit in designing your own solution, you gain a much better 
understanding on what you can do and what you cannot do... (e.g. do you know 
that you can potentially stack a DWDM solution right behind a CWDM passive mux 
?  and you will end up with a much more flexible solution, at a fraction of 
the cost of a comparable canned solution.

We did a CWDM (8ch) passive solution, along with colored optics, 10g Switches 
between 4 different Data Center, for under $12k a couple of years back.
They way we optimized our design for initial cost, while maintaining the 
ability to expand my adding another CWDM or DWDM mux in the future. 

(We went with gear from Fiberstore, we did consult them with our solution, and 
they offered us Mux/DeMux units with even lower insertion loss that those 
listed on their website for a slight premium, which in our case was well worth 
it)

Faisal Imtiaz
Snappy Internet & Telecom
7266 SW 48 Street
Miami, FL 33155
Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232

Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net

- Original Message -
> From: "Justin Wilson" 
> To: af@afmug.com
> Sent: Sunday, August 14, 2016 10:52:02 AM
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] DWDM Gear

> Are you looking for active or passive?
> 
> We just replaced a failing Ciena Mux with an 18 channel passive mux for a data
> center client.  Ours was CWDM, but they make a DWDM version.  Total cost was
> under 5 grand, including spares.  Ciena wanted 24k to update the service
> contract, update software, and troubleshoot an alarm state.
> 
> Justin Wilson
> j...@mtin.net
> 
> ---
> http://www.mtin.net Owner/CEO
> xISP Solutions- Consulting – Data Centers - Bandwidth
> 
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>> On Aug 14, 2016, at 10:41 AM, Chuck McCown  wrote:
>> 
>> I have always used Cyan.
>> 
>> -Original Message- From: Paul Stewart
>> Sent: Sunday, August 14, 2016 7:30 AM
>> To: Animal Farm
>> Subject: [AFMUG] DWDM Gear
>> 
>> For those folks doing DWDM on fiber, whats your preferred equipment and why?
>> 
>> We currently use BTI equipment which works extremely well but it’s priced in 
>> the
>> same ballpark as Ciena, Nortel, Cisco etc … quite expensive to deploy. Hoping
>> to find something more economical but just as reliable?  By reliable I mean
>> that it’s deployed for years without having to do anything service impacting 
>> to
>> it.  For this particular deployment I’m thinking of, ROADM isn’t important
>> neither.   Prefer active solution vs passive.  CWDM would even be ok at this
>> point to consider …
>> 
>> Basically looking at ways to cut down on 10G fibers between two physical
>> locations (the fiber is leased)
>> 
>> thanks,
>> Paul

Re: [AFMUG] DWDM Gear

2016-08-14 Thread Justin Wilson

Are you looking for active or passive?

We just replaced a failing Ciena Mux with an 18 channel passive mux for a data 
center client.  Ours was CWDM, but they make a DWDM version.  Total cost was 
under 5 grand, including spares.  Ciena wanted 24k to update the service 
contract, update software, and troubleshoot an alarm state.

Justin Wilson
j...@mtin.net

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> On Aug 14, 2016, at 10:41 AM, Chuck McCown  wrote:
> 
> I have always used Cyan.
> 
> -Original Message- From: Paul Stewart
> Sent: Sunday, August 14, 2016 7:30 AM
> To: Animal Farm
> Subject: [AFMUG] DWDM Gear
> 
> For those folks doing DWDM on fiber, whats your preferred equipment and why?
> 
> We currently use BTI equipment which works extremely well but it’s priced in 
> the same ballpark as Ciena, Nortel, Cisco etc … quite expensive to deploy. 
> Hoping to find something more economical but just as reliable?  By reliable I 
> mean that it’s deployed for years without having to do anything service 
> impacting to it.  For this particular deployment I’m thinking of, ROADM isn’t 
> important neither.   Prefer active solution vs passive.  CWDM would even be 
> ok at this point to consider …
> 
> Basically looking at ways to cut down on 10G fibers between two physical 
> locations (the fiber is leased)
> 
> thanks,
> Paul
>

Re: [AFMUG] DWDM Gear

2016-08-14 Thread Colin Stanners

Apparently that's now BluePlanet, a division of Ciena.

On Aug 14, 2016 7:41 AM, "Chuck McCown"  wrote:

> I have always used Cyan.
>
> -Original Message- From: Paul Stewart
> Sent: Sunday, August 14, 2016 7:30 AM
> To: Animal Farm
> Subject: [AFMUG] DWDM Gear
>
> For those folks doing DWDM on fiber, whats your preferred equipment and
> why?
>
> We currently use BTI equipment which works extremely well but it’s priced
> in the same ballpark as Ciena, Nortel, Cisco etc … quite expensive to
> deploy. Hoping to find something more economical but just as reliable?  By
> reliable I mean that it’s deployed for years without having to do anything
> service impacting to it.  For this particular deployment I’m thinking of,
> ROADM isn’t important neither.   Prefer active solution vs passive.  CWDM
> would even be ok at this point to consider …
>
> Basically looking at ways to cut down on 10G fibers between two physical
> locations (the fiber is leased)
>
> thanks,
> Paul
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] 24GHz Radio

2016-08-14 Thread Rory Conaway

Depends on how far it is.  In Chicago, a mile is almost too far.  Phoenix, 2 
miles isn’t an issue, 2.5 miles, a few minutes a year.

As for radios, I’ve only got experience with the AF24’s.  Except for the very 
high power draw and one radio out of 12 failing in over a year, no other issues.

Rory



From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Kurt Fankhauser
Sent: Saturday, August 13, 2016 1:08 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 24GHz Radio

I would not put up 24ghz anything without having a 5ghz backup for fade.

On Sat, Aug 13, 2016 at 3:35 PM, Faisal Imtiaz 
> wrote:
Care to define what exactly you mean by "Reliable" ?

RF Side of the Link ?
Hardware ?  uptime ?
Known / Un-known software bugs ?

Regards.

Faisal Imtiaz
Snappy Internet & Telecom
7266 SW 48 Street
Miami, FL 33155
Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232

Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: 
supp...@snappytelecom.net


From: "Ryan Ray" >
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Friday, August 12, 2016 9:32:23 PM
Subject: [AFMUG] 24GHz Radio
If you were to pick the most RELIABLE 24GHz radio which one would it be? I've 
got a site it needs to go on but very un accessible location without lots of 
money involved.
Thanks.

Re: [AFMUG] 5GHz CPE Antenna

2016-08-14 Thread Chuck McCown

I am trying not to.

From: Ken Hohhof 
Sent: Sunday, August 14, 2016 7:50 AM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 5GHz CPE Antenna

MTI MT-485025/NV with MT-120018 mount is well built and rugged, not 
particularly small or cheap though.

Have you considered using the KPP 5 GHz feedhorn with their reflector dish?  I 
don’t know if Chuck still makes his equivalent.

From: Jason McKemie 
Sent: Saturday, August 13, 2016 11:54 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: [AFMUG] 5GHz CPE Antenna

Does anyone have a recommendation for a dish or panel for use with a CPE 
device?  I'm looking to use it with the connectorized Mimosa C5 units.  I see 
Ignitenet makes a dish, can't seem to find much in the panel arena. 

-Jason

Re: [AFMUG] DWDM Gear

2016-08-14 Thread Chuck McCown

I have always used Cyan.

-Original Message- 
From: Paul Stewart

Sent: Sunday, August 14, 2016 7:30 AM
To: Animal Farm
Subject: [AFMUG] DWDM Gear

For those folks doing DWDM on fiber, whats your preferred equipment and why?

We currently use BTI equipment which works extremely well but it’s priced in 
the same ballpark as Ciena, Nortel, Cisco etc … quite expensive to deploy. 
Hoping to find something more economical but just as reliable?  By reliable 
I mean that it’s deployed for years without having to do anything service 
impacting to it.  For this particular deployment I’m thinking of, ROADM isn’t 
important neither.   Prefer active solution vs passive.  CWDM would even be 
ok at this point to consider …

Basically looking at ways to cut down on 10G fibers between two physical 
locations (the fiber is leased)

thanks,
Paul

Re: [AFMUG] 5GHz CPE Antenna

2016-08-14 Thread Jeremy

I'd probably use the Boomerang that Ken mentioned.

On Sun, Aug 14, 2016 at 7:50 AM, Ken Hohhof  wrote:

> MTI MT-485025/NV with MT-120018 mount is well built and rugged, not
> particularly small or cheap though.
>
> Have you considered using the KPP 5 GHz feedhorn with their reflector
> dish?  I don’t know if Chuck still makes his equivalent.
>
> *From:* Jason McKemie 
> *Sent:* Saturday, August 13, 2016 11:54 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* [AFMUG] 5GHz CPE Antenna
>
> Does anyone have a recommendation for a dish or panel for use with a CPE
> device?  I'm looking to use it with the connectorized Mimosa C5 units.  I
> see Ignitenet makes a dish, can't seem to find much in the panel arena.
>
> -Jason
>

Re: [AFMUG] 5GHz CPE Antenna

2016-08-14 Thread Ken Hohhof

MTI MT-485025/NV with MT-120018 mount is well built and rugged, not 
particularly small or cheap though.

Have you considered using the KPP 5 GHz feedhorn with their reflector dish?  I 
don’t know if Chuck still makes his equivalent.

From: Jason McKemie 
Sent: Saturday, August 13, 2016 11:54 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: [AFMUG] 5GHz CPE Antenna

Does anyone have a recommendation for a dish or panel for use with a CPE 
device?  I'm looking to use it with the connectorized Mimosa C5 units.  I see 
Ignitenet makes a dish, can't seem to find much in the panel arena. 

-Jason

[AFMUG] DWDM Gear

For those folks doing DWDM on fiber, whats your preferred equipment and why?

We currently use BTI equipment which works extremely well but it’s priced in 
the same ballpark as Ciena, Nortel, Cisco etc … quite expensive to deploy.  
Hoping to find something more economical but just as reliable?  By reliable I 
mean that it’s deployed for years without having to do anything service 
impacting to it.  For this particular deployment I’m thinking of, ROADM isn’t 
important neither.   Prefer active solution vs passive.  CWDM would even be ok 
at this point to consider … 

Basically looking at ways to cut down on 10G fibers between two physical 
locations (the fiber is leased)

thanks,
Paul

Re: [AFMUG] 5GHz CPE Antenna