Re: [AFMUG] Bridgewave Flex4g-Lite

2017-09-28 Thread Daniel Gerlach
no, they are now talking with the antenna manufacturer. 2017-09-28 17:29 GMT+02:00 Brough Turner : > No answers? Has anyone else tried the Flex4G-Lite??? > > Dan, did you find the missing 5-7 dB? > > Bridgewave seems willing to undercut Siklu and it's 3/3 Gbps versus 2/2

Re: [AFMUG] We've acquired PowerCode

2017-09-28 Thread Simon Westlake
Redbull was never my caffeine of choice, it was Rockstar! On Sep 28, 2017 8:58 PM, "Josh Reynolds" wrote: > Lmao > > On Sep 26, 2017 10:29 AM, "Steve Jones" wrote: > >> simon has aged a bit, and moved on from redbull >> >> >> On Tue, Sep 26,

Re: [AFMUG] Power Alternatives

2017-09-28 Thread CBB - Jay Fuller
Can someone design you a quick to deploy solar power system w battery? You'd need a system to protect it from theft too Sent from my Verizon 4G LTE Smartphone - Reply message - From: "Gino A. Villarini" To: "af@afmug.com" Subject: [AFMUG]

Re: [AFMUG] Wanna throw up in your mouth?

2017-09-28 Thread Mike Hammett
Which is a point I've already made. If you can get access without any particular designation, but by just asking, great. If above fails, get your CLEC and do it again, only now they have to let you in unless there's a documented reason why not (not enough room, etc.). Don't depend on BIAS

Re: [AFMUG] Power Alternatives

2017-09-28 Thread Jaime Solorza
Tower guards also know as anti-climb shields. On Sep 28, 2017 8:12 PM, "Jason Wilson" wrote: > Pay a guy to sit at the base of the tower with a shotgun. > > On Sep 28, 2017 7:09 PM, "Jaime Solorza" > wrote: > > Solar panels on towers,

Re: [AFMUG] Power Alternatives

2017-09-28 Thread Steve Jones
http://www.wikihow.com/Make-a-Homemade-Battery the icecube tray design might be scalable with seawater, galvanized tower components from downed towers, and copper from downed lines. not sure how many cells youd need to get the wattage or how long the zinc on galvanized would be viable. Would be

Re: [AFMUG] Power Alternatives

2017-09-28 Thread Jaime Solorza
Across the border on Cerro Bola where most TV, Radio , Law enforcement, WISPs and two way radio towers are located , many have armed guards in huts next to communication shelters to keep thieves from stealing gear. Several guards have killed thieves...some towers are booby trapped as well,

Re: [AFMUG] Power Alternatives

2017-09-28 Thread Jaime Solorza
Solar panels on towers, batteries in enclosures on towers, windmill generators on towers , all protected by tower guards... On Sep 28, 2017 8:01 PM, "Mathew Howard" wrote: I'd think solar panels would be a bit less likely to be stolen, since your typical thief probably

Re: [AFMUG] Power Alternatives

2017-09-28 Thread Steve Jones
if you have alot of potatoes zinc and copper you can make power. that example isnt probably realistic, but im guessing some folks here could come up with some 5 gallon bucket chemical batteries. guys arent likely to walk off with buckets of chemicals On Thu, Sep 28, 2017 at 9:01 PM, Mathew Howard

Re: [AFMUG] Power Alternatives

2017-09-28 Thread Mathew Howard
I'd think solar panels would be a bit less likely to be stolen, since your typical thief probably would know what to do with them, and they're bulky... I guess they'd still take the batteries though. But that's still not really an option until there's a way to get them on to the island anyway. On

Re: [AFMUG] We've acquired PowerCode

2017-09-28 Thread Josh Reynolds
Lmao On Sep 26, 2017 10:29 AM, "Steve Jones" wrote: > simon has aged a bit, and moved on from redbull > > > On Tue, Sep 26, 2017 at 10:19 AM, CBB - Jay Fuller < > par...@cyberbroadband.net> wrote: > >> >> With sonar, wispmon, and powercode, I don't understand how

Re: [AFMUG] Power Alternatives

2017-09-28 Thread Colin Stanners
Do you have enough tower metal and a welder that you can weld together a thick generator "cage" and bolt that to the outside of your tower cabinets/sheds with one-way screws? Or (once transport works enough to get solar panels) do the same to make solar panel cages? On Thu, Sep 28, 2017 at 8:39

Re: [AFMUG] Power Alternatives

2017-09-28 Thread Seth Mattinen
On 9/28/17 18:39, Gino A. Villarini wrote: Diesel Supply is short, Gens and batts are being stolen at sites, I need alternatives! Fuel Cells? Give someone a pointy stick to hang out and let them charge their tablet/laptop/phone? ~Seth

Re: [AFMUG] Ben Moore, ubnt, fix your documentation of basic things!

2017-09-28 Thread Seth Mattinen
On 9/28/17 18:28, George Skorup wrote: I would expect a GigE radio to haul 9000+ byte frames, but you never know. So yeah, it needs to be on datasheets. I agree but the MetroLinq, for example, can't do 9k frames. At least they told me it doesn't when I asked since it wasn't on the datasheet.

[AFMUG] Power Alternatives

2017-09-28 Thread Gino A. Villarini
Diesel Supply is short, Gens and batts are being stolen at sites, I need alternatives! Fuel Cells? Gino A. Villarini President Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968 [cid:aeronet-logo_310cfc3e-6691-4f69-bd49-b37b834b9238.png]

Re: [AFMUG] Pai is not getting the love

2017-09-28 Thread Rory Conaway
Ahh, a minion of T-Tommy Wheeler. Awesome. Rory From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chuck Hogg Sent: Thursday, September 28, 2017 12:48 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Pai is not getting the love She's hardly an advocate for Pai, very much the opposite in my opinion.

Re: [AFMUG] Anyone has a plane that i can charter for cargo?

2017-09-28 Thread Faisal Imtiaz
Jason, Would be best to coordinate thur Brian Webster. (He is working on multiple fronts, and also in regular communication with Gino) Gino does not have unfettered access to communications, he is coming up for 'air' every now and then... if you know what I mean. :) Faisal Imtiaz

Re: [AFMUG] Ben Moore, ubnt, fix your documentation of basic things!

2017-09-28 Thread George Skorup
I would expect a GigE radio to haul 9000+ byte frames, but you never know. So yeah, it needs to be on datasheets. On 9/28/2017 8:26 PM, Eric Kuhnke wrote: so put it in the documentation, then... :-) On Thu, Sep 28, 2017 at 1:48 PM, Chuck Macenski

Re: [AFMUG] Ben Moore, ubnt, fix your documentation of basic things!

2017-09-28 Thread Eric Kuhnke
so put it in the documentation, then... :-) On Thu, Sep 28, 2017 at 1:48 PM, Chuck Macenski wrote: > Hi, > > Just to be official about is, all airFIber radios support transport of > Jumbo packets sizes of 9000+ bytes. The currently supported packet size is > 9600. There is

Re: [AFMUG] Help Identify this unit please

2017-09-28 Thread Josh Reynolds
No problem :) On Sep 28, 2017 7:56 PM, "Chris Herrington" wrote: > Thank you josh!! > > > > Chris Herrington, PMP, RCDD/OSP Specialist > > FCC Lic. # PG-11-19440 > > Cell 714-309-8714 <(714)%20309-8714> > > ch...@fsc.com > > > > *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf

Re: [AFMUG] Help Identify this unit please

2017-09-28 Thread Chris Herrington
Thank you josh!! Chris Herrington, PMP, RCDD/OSP Specialist FCC Lic. # PG-11-19440 Cell 714-309-8714 ch...@fsc.com From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Josh Reynolds Sent: Thursday, September 28, 2017 5:17 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Help Identify this unit

Re: [AFMUG] Help Identify this unit please

2017-09-28 Thread Josh Reynolds
ICC 6port mobile patch panel On Sep 28, 2017 7:08 PM, "Chris Herrington" wrote: > I have been asked to upgrade an network in a 100+ student housing facility. > > > > I am curious as to what the black box is. Never seen one and could not > find any labels. > > > > Also, if anyone

Re: [AFMUG] Anyone has a plane that i can charter for cargo?

2017-09-28 Thread Gino A. Villarini
Email sent From: Af > on behalf of Jason Wilson > Reply-To: "af@afmug.com" > Date: Thursday, September 28, 2017 at 7:15 PM To:

[AFMUG] Help Identify this unit please

2017-09-28 Thread Chris Herrington
I have been asked to upgrade an network in a 100+ student housing facility. I am curious as to what the black box is. Never seen one and could not find any labels. Also, if anyone wants to help provide and program switches to distribute a gigabit circuit to these 100+ units please

Re: [AFMUG] Anyone has a plane that i can charter for cargo?

2017-09-28 Thread Jason Wilson
Gino,. Email me privately, call me, text me find me on Facebook. I have some folks with federal and military contacts looking for a solution for you. Jason On Sep 28, 2017 2:34 PM, "Steve Jones" wrote: > have you talked to the air national guard? thats what my air

Re: [AFMUG] AT & T Rural broadband

2017-09-28 Thread chuck
All those areas have ILECS. Most, if not all receive USF. Even if they are copper, they can shorten the loops to VDSL or ADSL2+ lengths without extreme amounts of money. It can be done. The FCC needs to keep the broadband speed up high to force this, even though it sets a higher bar for

Re: [AFMUG] Multipath fading for a laymen (visuals please)

2017-09-28 Thread chuck
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z20RJq8EH2c One of the better ones for Huygen’s Wavelet Principle. From: Brian Webster Sent: Thursday, September 28, 2017 4:47 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Multipath fading for a laymen (visuals please) Sure it will, take a single bulb flashlight

Re: [AFMUG] OTT-TV

2017-09-28 Thread Jason McKemie
I still prefer that to the other way around, though. On Wed, Sep 27, 2017 at 7:46 PM, Seth Mattinen wrote: > On 9/27/17 2:52 PM, Jason McKemie wrote: > >> There is going to be a tipping point where all the big networks have to >> start selling OTT, or lose customers. A few

Re: [AFMUG] Anyone has a plane that i can charter for cargo?

2017-09-28 Thread Steve Jones
have you talked to the air national guard? thats what my air force guy said to do. I dont know if theyve been federalized or no, doesnt sound like they have, so they may have a little more leniency in their discretion On Thu, Sep 28, 2017 at 4:22 PM, wrote: > Bruce, time to

Re: [AFMUG] Anyone has a plane that i can charter for cargo?

2017-09-28 Thread chuck
Bruce, time to head to PR for a few weeks! From: Gino A. Villarini Sent: Thursday, September 28, 2017 3:20 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: [AFMUG] Anyone has a plane that i can charter for cargo? Need to move gear! Not getting any help from FEMA or DHS Gino A. Villarini

[AFMUG] Anyone has a plane that i can charter for cargo?

2017-09-28 Thread Gino A. Villarini
Need to move gear! Not getting any help from FEMA or DHS Gino A. Villarini President Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968 [cid:aeronet-logo_310cfc3e-6691-4f69-bd49-b37b834b9238.png]

Re: [AFMUG] Telrad Compact 1000 Repair

2017-09-28 Thread Adam Moffett
Allegedly Telrad does. -- Original Message -- From: "SmarterBroadband" To: af@afmug.com Sent: 9/28/2017 4:53:10 PM Subject: [AFMUG] Telrad Compact 1000 Repair We have a Telrad Compact 1000 that needs repairing. Do you know of anyone doing this? Thanks Adam

[AFMUG] Telrad Compact 1000 Repair

2017-09-28 Thread SmarterBroadband
We have a Telrad Compact 1000 that needs repairing. Do you know of anyone doing this? Thanks Adam

Re: [AFMUG] Ben Moore, ubnt, fix your documentation of basic things!

2017-09-28 Thread Chuck Macenski
Hi, Just to be official about is, all airFIber radios support transport of Jumbo packets sizes of 9000+ bytes. The currently supported packet size is 9600. There is no configuration required - they just do it. I am an Ubiquiti employee :) Chuck On Thu, Sep 28, 2017 at 3:35 PM, Josh Reynolds

Re: [AFMUG] Ben Moore, ubnt, fix your documentation of basic things!

2017-09-28 Thread Josh Reynolds
I'm not here for your approval friend! Pal! Buddy! /smacks Mike on slack On Sep 28, 2017 1:10 PM, "Mike Hammett" wrote: > That's a much better statement. > > > > - > Mike Hammett > Intelligent Computing Solutions >

Re: [AFMUG] Wanna throw up in your mouth?

2017-09-28 Thread George Skorup
And that example is where a case can be made for free market principles. You got how many hundreds of thousands or millions of customers on a carrier in a large market. Netflix probably figured it was in their best interest to co-lo at the carrier's facilities so they don't lose customers. And

Re: [AFMUG] Pai is not getting the love

2017-09-28 Thread Chuck Hogg
She's hardly an advocate for Pai, very much the opposite in my opinion. Regards, Chuck On Thu, Sep 28, 2017 at 12:53 PM, Sean Heskett wrote: > from the bottom of the article it says the author is... > > "*Gigi Sohn served as **c**ounselor to former FCC chairman Tom Wheeler >

Re: [AFMUG] We've acquired PowerCode

2017-09-28 Thread chuck
Whad I do From: Josh Luthman Sent: Thursday, September 28, 2017 1:09 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] We've acquired PowerCode Wondering if Chuck got a call from a lawyer or not... Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Tue,

Re: [AFMUG] We've acquired PowerCode

2017-09-28 Thread Josh Luthman
Wondering if Chuck got a call from a lawyer or not... Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Tue, Sep 26, 2017 at 1:12 PM, Jaime Solorza wrote: > Oh man..wait till Chuck starts using Tweeter...Calgon take me

Re: [AFMUG] Wanna throw up in your mouth?

2017-09-28 Thread chuck
Let me put it another way She looks like a million bucks, go hit on her, don’t just assume she is out of your league. What’s the worst that can happen? “don’t ask, don’t get” From: ch...@wbmfg.com Sent: Thursday, September 28, 2017 12:22 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Wanna

Re: [AFMUG] Wanna throw up in your mouth?

2017-09-28 Thread chuck
If they don’t know BIAS is not really in play then once you get the permit you are golden. Cell phone providers are not CLECs and they get in all the same ROWs as the CLECS and ILECS. I have never ever had a permitting agency ask me how I had the right to ask for access. Moreover,

Re: [AFMUG] Multipath fading for a laymen (visuals please)

2017-09-28 Thread Steve Jones
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Iuv6hY6zsd0 this has a start at around 5:05, but instead of two wave sources, i need to have a single source that reflects and interacts with itself "predictably" and various distances from the source On Thu, Sep 28, 2017 at 8:03 AM, Steve Jones

Re: [AFMUG] Wanna throw up in your mouth?

2017-09-28 Thread Mike Hammett
Which is a point I've already made. If you can get access without any particular designation, but by just asking, great. If above fails, get your CLEC and do it again, only now they have to let you in unless there's a documented reason why not (not enough room, etc.). Don't depend on BIAS

Re: [AFMUG] Wanna throw up in your mouth?

2017-09-28 Thread Mike Hammett
*yawn* - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP - Original Message - From: "Josh Reynolds" To: af@afmug.com Sent: Thursday, September 28, 2017 9:38:23 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Wanna throw up in

Re: [AFMUG] Ben Moore, ubnt, fix your documentation of basic things!

2017-09-28 Thread Mike Hammett
That's a much better statement. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP - Original Message - From: "Josh Reynolds" To: af@afmug.com Sent: Thursday, September 28, 2017 12:54:43 PM Subject: Re:

Re: [AFMUG] Wanna throw up in your mouth?

2017-09-28 Thread chuck
If you have a government as the main customer willing to pay dearly for your product, is that government subsidized? Rockwell built the lunar lander I think. Rocketdyne started out with hobbyists until the government recognized they knew something about rocket engines. All the defense

Re: [AFMUG] Wanna throw up in your mouth?

2017-09-28 Thread chuck
No, I don’t have a CLEC for the non reg stuff. You always have to get permission from the property owner, it may be a public street but the city still has to grant an excavation or together permit. Many times there is a public utility easement around private property that you can occupy.

Re: [AFMUG] Ben Moore, ubnt, fix your documentation of basic things!

2017-09-28 Thread Josh Reynolds
I think you're thinking about this too hard, or maybe I wasn't explicit enough. Typing from a phone causes that. Yes, I'm staying if you are building the type of network where you have identified a large MTU is desirable on the L2 path, you want everything to be as high as possible, and you will

Re: [AFMUG] Ben Moore, ubnt, fix your documentation of basic things!

2017-09-28 Thread Eric Kuhnke
no, it doesn't, only if you are building L2 networks bridged between multiple locations. It's perfectly fine to have a router-to-router OSPF /30 link that is carried across a PTP system with a 1600 byte MTU (older Bridgewave radios for instance), then another separate set of OSPF interfaces

Re: [AFMUG] Ben Moore, ubnt, fix your documentation of basic things!

2017-09-28 Thread Ben Moore
By the way...Doc team is updating website. On Thu, Sep 28, 2017 at 11:48 AM, Ben Moore wrote: > That is step #1 Steve. Step #2 is go to the website ;) > > On Thu, Sep 28, 2017 at 11:47 AM, Steve Jones > wrote: > >> ubnt has documentation? I

Re: [AFMUG] Ben Moore, ubnt, fix your documentation of basic things!

2017-09-28 Thread Ben Moore
That is step #1 Steve. Step #2 is go to the website ;) On Thu, Sep 28, 2017 at 11:47 AM, Steve Jones wrote: > ubnt has documentation? I thought you just went to the forum to get > degraded and yelled at for any information > > On Thu, Sep 28, 2017 at 12:41 PM, Josh

Re: [AFMUG] Ben Moore, ubnt, fix your documentation of basic things!

2017-09-28 Thread Steve Jones
ubnt has documentation? I thought you just went to the forum to get degraded and yelled at for any information On Thu, Sep 28, 2017 at 12:41 PM, Josh Reynolds wrote: > MTU needs to be consistent on the entirety of the path. > > AirFiber supports 9600 MTU since 1.1 FW. > >

Re: [AFMUG] Ben Moore, ubnt, fix your documentation of basic things!

2017-09-28 Thread Josh Reynolds
MTU needs to be consistent on the entirety of the path. AirFiber supports 9600 MTU since 1.1 FW. On Sep 28, 2017 12:35 PM, "Sterling Jacobson" wrote: > I agree, was just looking for that a week ago too. > > > > I’m still unclear. > > > > My backbone is generally set for

Re: [AFMUG] Ben Moore, ubnt, fix your documentation of basic things!

2017-09-28 Thread Sterling Jacobson
I agree, was just looking for that a week ago too. I’m still unclear. My backbone is generally set for 9000+ MTU. Do I need to change my Mikrotik Ethernet ports attached to the Air Fiber units to a specific MTU? From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Eric Kuhnke Sent: Thursday,

Re: [AFMUG] Ben Moore, ubnt, fix your documentation of basic things!

2017-09-28 Thread Eric Kuhnke
oh yeah, and there is no mention of MTU capabilities for any model of airfiber in the most recent pdf datasheet either: https://dl.ubnt.com/datasheets/airfiber/airFiber_DS.pdf Is that not a basic datasheet thing to list? Particularly for PTP bridge radios? I know it is for every serious PTP

Re: [AFMUG] Ben Moore, ubnt, fix your documentation of basic things!

2017-09-28 Thread Ben Moore
Hi Eric - Message received and sent to our documentation team. Thanks, Ben On Thu, Sep 28, 2017 at 11:30 AM, Eric Kuhnke wrote: > Now, I know this, and everyone on the list knows this, because we've been > using the AF24 for years. We know we can use it with either 1600

[AFMUG] Ben Moore, ubnt, fix your documentation of basic things!

2017-09-28 Thread Eric Kuhnke
Now, I know this, and everyone on the list knows this, because we've been using the AF24 for years. We know we can use it with either 1600 or 9000 byte MTU. But I find it amazing that there is no mention anywhere of max MTU (or MTU settings/capabilities in general) anywhere whatsoever in the ubnt

Re: [AFMUG] Wanna throw up in your mouth?

2017-09-28 Thread Josh Reynolds
That's half the appointments in government. There's two classifications of SES positions, one is a career appointment, and one is political. Political appointments normally change with executive branch changes. Career appointments can't be removed really from SES, but they can be transitioned to

Re: [AFMUG] Wanna throw up in your mouth?

2017-09-28 Thread Steve Jones
getting fired leaves bad tastes in the mouth On Thu, Sep 28, 2017 at 11:48 AM, Sean Heskett wrote: > from the bottom of the article it says the author is... > > "*Gigi Sohn served as **c**ounselor to former FCC chairman Tom Wheeler > from November 2013 to December 2016**."* > >

Re: [AFMUG] Pai is not getting the love

2017-09-28 Thread Sean Heskett
from the bottom of the article it says the author is... "*Gigi Sohn served as **c**ounselor to former FCC chairman Tom Wheeler from November 2013 to December 2016**."* so yeah of course she isn't going to like what Pai is doing lol -Sean On Wed, Sep 27, 2017 at 11:16 PM, Rory Conaway

Re: [AFMUG] Wanna throw up in your mouth?

2017-09-28 Thread Sean Heskett
from the bottom of the article it says the author is... "*Gigi Sohn served as **c**ounselor to former FCC chairman Tom Wheeler from November 2013 to December 2016**."* so yeah of course she isn't going to like what Pai is doing lol -Sean On Wed, Sep 27, 2017 at 7:27 PM, Steve Jones

Re: [AFMUG] Wanna throw up in your mouth?

2017-09-28 Thread Josh Reynolds
"In closing, it is appropriate that we recognize today the 100th anniversary of the Kingsbury Commitment. But we should view that agreement not as an inspiration for the future but rather as a warning. It is a warning that regulatory capture is a real risk. It is a warning that some regulations

Re: [AFMUG] Wanna throw up in your mouth?

2017-09-28 Thread James Howard
It was written on the internet so there's no question that everything they say is true! From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Josh Reynolds Sent: Thursday, September 28, 2017 11:17 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Wanna throw up in your mouth? Oh damn...

Re: [AFMUG] Wanna throw up in your mouth?

2017-09-28 Thread Josh Reynolds
Oh damn... http://fortune.com/2015/08/18/att-nsa/ On Sep 28, 2017 11:13 AM, "Josh Reynolds" wrote: > I can't find anything saying that directly, but it does talk about how > critical it was to national defense... Big bunkers with huge generators and > a federal backed

Re: [AFMUG] Wanna throw up in your mouth?

2017-09-28 Thread Josh Reynolds
I can't find anything saying that directly, but it does talk about how critical it was to national defense... Big bunkers with huge generators and a federal backed monopoly. On Sep 28, 2017 11:01 AM, "Adam Moffett" wrote: > I guess I thought Long Lines was a DOD

Re: [AFMUG] Wanna throw up in your mouth?

2017-09-28 Thread Adam Moffett
I guess I thought Long Lines was a DOD project.but I might have invented that idea. -- Original Message -- From: "Steve Jones" To: "af@afmug.com" Sent: 9/28/2017 11:59:35 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Wanna throw up in your mouth? out of

Re: [AFMUG] Wanna throw up in your mouth?

2017-09-28 Thread Steve Jones
out of curiousity, did AT build out long lines on their own dime, or what that government subsidized? On Thu, Sep 28, 2017 at 10:52 AM, Josh Reynolds wrote: > AT Funding Model: > <1> Lobby > <2> "muh copper" > <3> get funds to maintain copper from taxpayers and your

Re: [AFMUG] Wanna throw up in your mouth?

2017-09-28 Thread Josh Reynolds
AT Funding Model: <1> Lobby <2> "muh copper" <3> get funds to maintain copper from taxpayers and your competition <4> deploy fiber and more cell sites instead <5> find ways to overlay on existing provider <6> see step 1 On Sep 28, 2017 10:45 AM, "Steve Jones" wrote: >

Re: [AFMUG] Wanna throw up in your mouth?

2017-09-28 Thread Adam Moffett
I LOL at "Make ROW great again" -- Original Message -- From: "Steve Jones" To: "af@afmug.com" Sent: 9/28/2017 11:45:17 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Wanna throw up in your mouth? you should protest this. we can get the whole afmug group together and

Re: [AFMUG] WTB 450i-900mhz used AP's

2017-09-28 Thread Mathew Howard
I don't have any that are used, but I have some brand new ones sitting on the shelf that I might be able to be convinced to sell... 900mhz has gotten a lot noisier around here since we bought them, and I'm not entirely sure they're worth deploying at this point. On Thu, Sep 28, 2017 at 10:44 AM,

Re: [AFMUG] Wanna throw up in your mouth?

2017-09-28 Thread Steve Jones
you should protest this. we can get the whole afmug group together and go shut shit down. I want a sign that says "this is my sign, there are many like her, but this one is mine" cool chants like "what the heck, get rid of ilec" our slogan can be make ROW great again, we can have hats On Thu,

Re: [AFMUG] WTB 450i-900mhz used AP's

2017-09-28 Thread CBB - Jay Fuller
me too - let me know ;) - Original Message - From: Kurt Fankhauser To: af@afmug.com Sent: Thursday, September 28, 2017 9:52 AM Subject: [AFMUG] WTB 450i-900mhz used AP's Anyone got some used 900mhz 450i Ap's they are looking to get rid of? Cant' justify paying full

Re: [AFMUG] tiers or packages

2017-09-28 Thread Steve Jones
we do 3, 6, 12 standard, have a 25 thats not advertised directly and a whole bunch of custom rates farmers are some of the best customers, they can operate on 512k and rarely use more than 1mbps On Thu, Sep 28, 2017 at 9:24 AM, Kurt Fankhauser wrote: > I am offering

Re: [AFMUG] WTB 450i-900mhz used AP's

2017-09-28 Thread Colin Stanners
They're a brand new product and work very nicely (as long as there's no 900mhz noise).. I doubt you could find many at less than 80% of new cost. On Thu, Sep 28, 2017 at 9:52 AM, Kurt Fankhauser wrote: > Anyone got some used 900mhz 450i Ap's they are looking to get rid

Re: [AFMUG] Tower construction accident in Miami today

2017-09-28 Thread Steve Jones
it could be that something hung up and they we "engineering" a solution ive seen the name tower kings the most in tower incident reports, i dont know if its that theyre a shoddy outfit or just do alot of tower work with it being the owners son, i would bet if its the former, that corporate

Re: [AFMUG] Bridgewave Flex4g-Lite

2017-09-28 Thread Brough Turner
No answers? Has anyone else tried the Flex4G-Lite??? Dan, did you find the missing 5-7 dB? Bridgewave seems willing to undercut Siklu and it's 3/3 Gbps versus 2/2 Gbps for Siklu, so I'm planning my first such link for late October. Thanks, Brough Brough Turner netBlazr Inc. – Free your

[AFMUG] WTB 450i-900mhz used AP's

2017-09-28 Thread Kurt Fankhauser
Anyone got some used 900mhz 450i Ap's they are looking to get rid of? Cant' justify paying full price for these things new to only be putting 1-2 clients on them...

Re: [AFMUG] Wanna throw up in your mouth?

2017-09-28 Thread Josh Reynolds
It's not a tool, it's a barrier. You're still considered as less than and ignored compared to the ILEC who will continue to get those federal tax dollars while providing only what they legally have to. There is no good reason to support that business model. On Sep 28, 2017 9:17 AM, "Mike

Re: [AFMUG] tiers or packages

2017-09-28 Thread Kurt Fankhauser
I am offering packages up to 50mbps sustained from most of my towers, 100mbps sustained is aviablile in downtown and metro locations were the CPE is close to the AP. Line-of-sight REQUIRED for anyone on a 5G package, otherwise you have to stay on legacy packages. This helps get people motivated to

Re: [AFMUG] Wanna throw up in your mouth?

2017-09-28 Thread Mike Hammett
It's a tool that gets you what you need. It's a fairly inexpensive tool. Use the tool that has been placed at your doorstep until regulatory certainty comes. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP - Original Message

Re: [AFMUG] Wanna throw up in your mouth?

2017-09-28 Thread Josh Reynolds
The whole idea of a CLEC needs to die, and only serves to continue to divide the providers into classes. On Sep 28, 2017 9:04 AM, "Mike Hammett" wrote: > But if you have a CLEC you *CAN* place it there. If I don't have a CLEC I > *MAY* place it there... if whomever owns that

Re: [AFMUG] Tower construction accident in Miami today

2017-09-28 Thread Kurt Fankhauser
I know nothing about these "large" gin poles other than it makes sense that they are the only way to get heavy stuff up on the tower. Everyone is saying why would you attach to them like they are some flimsy thinwall steel pipe but these things are basically like another extension of the tower

Re: [AFMUG] tiers or packages

2017-09-28 Thread Jeremy
5,10,15, & 25Mbps here - higher with PTP dedicated. On Thu, Sep 28, 2017 at 7:55 AM, Jesse Dupont wrote: > We have three plans: > > 10, 20,or 30 Mbps (8 Mbps upload) in one company > 8, 16, 25 Mbps (8 Mbps upload) in another company > > Either UBNT or LTE (we

Re: [AFMUG] Wanna throw up in your mouth?

2017-09-28 Thread Mike Hammett
But if you have a CLEC you *CAN* place it there. If I don't have a CLEC I *MAY* place it there... if whomever owns that easement or property allows me to. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP - Original Message -

Re: [AFMUG] Wanna throw up in your mouth?

2017-09-28 Thread chuck
If you do not have an easement, you do not have the right to keep your cable there. Most easements I get are free. From: Mike Hammett Sent: Thursday, September 28, 2017 8:02 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Wanna throw up in your mouth? Sure, easements are insurance, but not always

Re: [AFMUG] Wanna throw up in your mouth?

2017-09-28 Thread Mike Hammett
Sure, easements are insurance, but not always cheap. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP - Original Message - From: ch...@wbmfg.com To: af@afmug.com Sent: Thursday, September 28, 2017 8:54:56 AM Subject: Re:

Re: [AFMUG] Wanna throw up in your mouth?

2017-09-28 Thread Josh Reynolds
We did get easement agreements for many locations. On Sep 28, 2017 8:54 AM, wrote: > CLEC is no insurance. > ROW-Easement is insurance. > > > > *From:* Mike Hammett > *Sent:* Thursday, September 28, 2017 7:50 AM > *To:* af@afmug.com > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Wanna throw up in

Re: [AFMUG] tiers or packages

2017-09-28 Thread Jesse Dupont
We have three plans: 10, 20,or 30 Mbps (8 Mbps upload) in one company 8, 16, 25 Mbps (8 Mbps upload) in another company Either UBNT or LTE (we only go up to 20 on LTE). From: Af on behalf of Dave Sent: Thursday,

Re: [AFMUG] Wanna throw up in your mouth?

2017-09-28 Thread chuck
CLEC is no insurance. ROW-Easement is insurance. From: Mike Hammett Sent: Thursday, September 28, 2017 7:50 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Wanna throw up in your mouth? A couple thousand dollars for an attorney to make you a CLEC is pretty cheap insurance when doling out

Re: [AFMUG] Wanna throw up in your mouth?

2017-09-28 Thread Mike Hammett
A couple thousand dollars for an attorney to make you a CLEC is pretty cheap insurance when doling out fiber. The major impediment to more providers and more expansion of existing providers is that the bits moved typically aren't significantly different. As long as most things generally work,

Re: [AFMUG] Wanna throw up in your mouth?

2017-09-28 Thread Josh Reynolds
We did at our fiber company. I don't remember the exact percentage, but I do remember it being above 60% of people only have access to a single provider. If you remove the ROW access for BIAS providers, lower "broadband" to 10M, and allow providers to throttle other content, the odds are so

Re: [AFMUG] tiers or packages

2017-09-28 Thread Mike Hammett
Sure, some geographies will be more difficult than others, but we all should be offering it somewhere . - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP - Original Message - From: "CBB - Jay Fuller"

Re: [AFMUG] tiers or packages

2017-09-28 Thread CBB - Jay Fuller
there are plenty of places still on our network where canopy 900 fsk is still all that is available but we are working on it :) - Original Message - From: Mike Hammett To: af@afmug.com Sent: Thursday, September 28, 2017 7:52 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] tiers or packages I'd

Re: [AFMUG] tiers or packages

2017-09-28 Thread David Coudron
We are using the Mimosa PTMP technology. So far, it is performing quite well. We have very folks using the 100 Mbps plans, but quite a few on the 25 Mbps plans. It seems to be a very regional thing, in some areas they all want the speed, in other areas everyone signs up for the 10 Mbps

Re: [AFMUG] Tower construction accident in Miami today

2017-09-28 Thread Cameron Crum
That was my first questionwhy were they attached to the gin pole? Trying to save some climbing time as they were raising it? I've erected several towers with Gin poles (the small clamp on variety), both guyed and self support, but It never once occurred to me to attach to one. Not that I could

Re: [AFMUG] tiers or packages

2017-09-28 Thread Dave
Definitely.. The key word here is sustained. :) On 09/28/2017 08:24 AM, Jay Weekley wrote: What are you using for the 100 Mbps packages? David Coudron wrote: We do 4, 10, 25 and 100 Mbps packages for our customers. Businesses can go higher, but usually require a PTP link. Thanks, *David

Re: [AFMUG] tiers or packages

2017-09-28 Thread Jay Weekley
What are you using for the 100 Mbps packages? David Coudron wrote: We do 4, 10, 25 and 100 Mbps packages for our customers. Businesses can go higher, but usually require a PTP link. Thanks, *David Coudron* david.coud...@advantenon.com |*Mobile:

Re: [AFMUG] Multipath fading for a laymen (visuals please)

2017-09-28 Thread Steve Jones
Light wont cancel On Sep 28, 2017 7:02 AM, "Josh Reynolds" wrote: > I don't understand why you can try to come up with examples around PSI but > light and pictures are hard. > > "Hands on" kinda guy, eh? > > On Sep 27, 2017 10:51 PM, "Steve Jones"

Re: [AFMUG] AT & T Rural broadband

2017-09-28 Thread Mike Hammett
Brian Webster would be the guy to tell us, but I'm sure he's tied up with WECAT stuff. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP - Original Message - From: "Josh Reynolds" To: af@afmug.com Sent:

Re: [AFMUG] AT & T Rural broadband

2017-09-28 Thread Josh Reynolds
How many areas are wisps NOT in. On Sep 28, 2017 7:39 AM, "Dave" wrote: > +1 I could see that for sure. > But we could get into the area they are not and would not go much faster. > > > On 09/28/2017 07:35 AM, Josh Reynolds wrote: > > It would mean cell cos get more federal

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