[AFMUG] OT FCC weakens limits on owning TV stations, easing Sinclair-Tribune deal - LA Times

[Jaime Solorza]

As Spock would say, "Intriguing."


http://www.latimes.com/business/la-fi-fcc-broadcast-sinclair-tribune-20171116-story.html

Re: [AFMUG] The Wall

[Jaime Solorza]

Yep. Our city cleared out most of a historical neighborhood to build a
proposed events center.  Austin courts are looking into it.  Some folks
have lived there over 70 years.  City is going to win most likely.

On Nov 16, 2017 2:35 PM, "Lewis Bergman"  wrote:

> I have seen the same thing. For anything considered in the public
> interest, even in Texas, The landowner always loses. They do get
> compensation, but if they don't want you on there at any price the
> compensation, at least in my opinion, can't ever quite reach fair. I have a
> few friends that own 50,000 plus acres in a few different places and they
> have fought and lost every battle with utility providers. They got paid a
> lot, but they didn't need nor want he money. They wanted their view more.
>
> On Thu, Nov 16, 2017 at 3:26 PM  wrote:
>
>> I have not found that to be true.  You file and get on the docket.  If the
>> judge has a fairly clear schedule you can get there in about 21 days.
>> And you always win, as in you always get access to the property.  Then the
>> process turns in favor of the landowner when it comes to consideration.
>> You end up paying lotsa money for that access.
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Graham McIntire
>> Sent: Thursday, November 16, 2017 2:22 PM
>> To: af@afmug.com
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] The Wall
>>
>> To be fair, the process of imminent domain is monumentally slow, they
>> discuss it here: https://trumpconlaw.com/8-the-takings-clause
>>
>> On Wed, Nov 15, 2017 at 11:12 PM, Steve Jones 
>> wrote:
>> > The division bell brings back some fond memories, well, they are more
>> > spotty
>> > memories and recollections coupled with a few things im confident didnt
>> > really happen
>> >
>> > On Nov 15, 2017 10:18 PM, "Jaime Solorza" 
>> > wrote:
>> >>
>> >> I prefer Dark Side of The Moon over The Wall...we are talking about
>> Punk
>> >> Floyd ?
>> >>
>> >> I am sure eyebrows raised when you saw I responded to this thread.
>> >>
>> >> On Nov 15, 2017 8:59 PM, "Sean Heskett"  wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>> Is there idea any more unreasonable than building a stupid $20billion
>> >>> dollar wall that won’t work?!?!
>> >>>
>> >>> -Sean
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> On Wed, Nov 15, 2017 at 12:52 PM Travis Johnson  wrote:
>> 
>>  Hi,
>> 
>> 
>>  http://www.cnn.com/2017/11/15/us/cards-against-humanity-
>> land-grab-trnd/index.html
>> 
>>  This is their brilliant scheme to "stop the wall" tie up as much
>>  time and money of the government. Where do these kind of people think
>>  the government gets it's money??
>> 
>>  Wow. I am amazed almost every day with some of these businesses and
>>  people running them.
>> 
>>  Travis
>> 
>> >
>>
>>

Re: [AFMUG] Good old American Capitalism

[Josh Reynolds]

All calculations were done in the past.

If you were going to do a calculation in the future, then you plan to
do it... but it hasn't been done yet.



On Thu, Nov 16, 2017 at 11:22 AM, Steve Jones  wrote:
> I assume there is a word for it, but what happens when we hit the hard limit
> of how fast particles or whatever can move? Whats that called? Like absolute
> zero in regard to heat. you could aggregate, but that limit would still
> bottleneck. Will we have to start installing flux capacitors ad do our
> processing in the past? We could kick off a computation today and have the
> calculations take place in the infinity of the past, then dinosaurs could do
> VR shit.
> It would all get fubar though cause some dick would calculate pi and tie up
> the machine, eventually kicking off some fatal system error, next think you
> know time has a kernel panic and we are all stuck in some crummy timeline
> loop
>
> On Thu, Nov 16, 2017 at 10:33 AM, Forrest Christian (List Account)
>  wrote:
>>
>> The same technology set which is making quantum computing possible is
>> making the next generation of encryption possible. See
>> https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quantum_cryptography
>>
>> Also,  ibm has put a previous iteration of their quantum computer online
>> so mere mortals can run code on it.   See
>> https://quantumexperience.ng.bluemix.net/qx
>>
>> On Nov 16, 2017 9:00 AM, "Adam Moffett"  wrote:
>>>
>>> I bet someone has been working on a problem that a QC can't easily solve
>>> in order to make new encryption.
>>>
>>> -- Original Message --
>>> From: "Steve Jones" 
>>> To: af@afmug.com
>>> Sent: 11/16/2017 8:11:42 AM
>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Good old American Capitalism
>>>
>>> If no one of merit is breaking encryption, the technology will stagnate
>>> and undiscovered vulnerabilties would be exploited by malicious actors.
>>>
>>> On Nov 15, 2017 11:53 PM, "Rory Conaway"  wrote:

 The goal for governments to have this computer is to destroy encryption.
 That's why China just announced they are spending $10B to build one.  The
 goal of IBM is to sell the patent rights.  They need a big win and this may
 be it.

 Rory

 -Original Message-
 From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Bill Prince
 Sent: Wednesday, November 15, 2017 11:59 AM
 To: af@afmug.com
 Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Good old American Capitalism

 How do we know it already is or is not?

 bp
 

 On 11/15/2017 10:48 AM, Dave wrote:
 > too much power for the govment they wouldnt know what to do with it..
 > in fact A.I. may run the govment for them LOL

>

Re: [AFMUG] BTC

[Rory Conaway]

It’s also a great way to raise investment capital.

Rory

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Mathew Howard
Sent: Thursday, November 16, 2017 5:39 PM
To: af 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] BTC

I don't see how bitcoin in it's current form can ever become a real money 
standard. Perhaps someday there will be a viable cryptocurrency type of system 
that can replace money as we know it, but I just don't see bitcoin being it... 
there are way too many potential problems.

Besides all the issues Steve pointed out, I don't see how it can be used for 
actual money when the price is so unstable... it seems more like some kind of a 
scam for a few people to get rich off of than money.

On Thu, Nov 16, 2017 at 4:52 PM, Steve Jones 
> wrote:
banks dont hard fork when theyre robbed
Mr robot is just a tv show
deep down inside, humans are realists, the reality is that all currency, like 
its representative nation, has a shelf life outside its intrinsic physical 
bartering value.
Tangible currency can be lost and found. I drop my wallet, its gone to me, but 
still exists, someone else can find it and use it. Lose your BTC wallet, its 
gone, and its tied up forever, its worse than fiat currency in that there is no 
recourse. You can insure a bank against robbery, if you catch the robber with 
the goods, you can reach in the bag and reinstate the currency.
Wait until the perfect malware, and there will be a perfect malware, breaks the 
chain. Then the tried and true representative precious metal (or whichever 
barter-able commodity) standard proves to be bar whore reliable reality that it 
is.
Fees are the lowest concern in the real chain
I could be wrong, quite often I am. But Ill hedge a bet people in 25 years will 
speak as fondly of block chain currency as they do the Edsel.

On Thu, Nov 16, 2017 at 3:42 PM, Travis Johnson 
> wrote:
Hi,

The entire idea and goal of bitcoin was to take away the financial institutions 
from having "control" and charging fees to handle money. In exchange for no 
fees (sending or receiving BTC is free), you also have no security. Once it's 
sent, it's gone.

However, now the banks have just been replaced with places like Coinbase... 
bitcoin "exchanges" that charge roughly 1.5% for every buy/sell transaction... 
and they take 7-10 business days to convert btc to cash or visa versa.

I don't see how this is a long term thing? Once all the "mining" is being done 
by huge datacenters (for another 3-4 years is all), then I don't see it 
becoming the new money standard like everyone thinks. You will still have to 
pay fees, and someone else is still in control of your money. :(

Travis

Re: [AFMUG] BTC

[Mathew Howard]

I don't see how bitcoin in it's current form can ever become a real money
standard. Perhaps someday there will be a viable cryptocurrency type of
system that can replace money as we know it, but I just don't see bitcoin
being it... there are way too many potential problems.

Besides all the issues Steve pointed out, I don't see how it can be used
for actual money when the price is so unstable... it seems more like some
kind of a scam for a few people to get rich off of than money.

On Thu, Nov 16, 2017 at 4:52 PM, Steve Jones 
wrote:

> banks dont hard fork when theyre robbed
> Mr robot is just a tv show
> deep down inside, humans are realists, the reality is that all currency,
> like its representative nation, has a shelf life outside its intrinsic
> physical bartering value.
> Tangible currency can be lost and found. I drop my wallet, its gone to me,
> but still exists, someone else can find it and use it. Lose your BTC
> wallet, its gone, and its tied up forever, its worse than fiat currency in
> that there is no recourse. You can insure a bank against robbery, if you
> catch the robber with the goods, you can reach in the bag and reinstate the
> currency.
> Wait until the perfect malware, and there will be a perfect malware,
> breaks the chain. Then the tried and true representative precious metal (or
> whichever barter-able commodity) standard proves to be bar whore reliable
> reality that it is.
> Fees are the lowest concern in the real chain
> I could be wrong, quite often I am. But Ill hedge a bet people in 25 years
> will speak as fondly of block chain currency as they do the Edsel.
>
> On Thu, Nov 16, 2017 at 3:42 PM, Travis Johnson  wrote:
>
>> Hi,
>>
>> The entire idea and goal of bitcoin was to take away the financial
>> institutions from having "control" and charging fees to handle money. In
>> exchange for no fees (sending or receiving BTC is free), you also have no
>> security. Once it's sent, it's gone.
>>
>> However, now the banks have just been replaced with places like
>> Coinbase... bitcoin "exchanges" that charge roughly 1.5% for every buy/sell
>> transaction... and they take 7-10 business days to convert btc to cash or
>> visa versa.
>>
>> I don't see how this is a long term thing? Once all the "mining" is being
>> done by huge datacenters (for another 3-4 years is all), then I don't see
>> it becoming the new money standard like everyone thinks. You will still
>> have to pay fees, and someone else is still in control of your money. :(
>>
>> Travis
>>
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] BTC

[Steve Jones]

banks dont hard fork when theyre robbed
Mr robot is just a tv show
deep down inside, humans are realists, the reality is that all currency,
like its representative nation, has a shelf life outside its intrinsic
physical bartering value.
Tangible currency can be lost and found. I drop my wallet, its gone to me,
but still exists, someone else can find it and use it. Lose your BTC
wallet, its gone, and its tied up forever, its worse than fiat currency in
that there is no recourse. You can insure a bank against robbery, if you
catch the robber with the goods, you can reach in the bag and reinstate the
currency.
Wait until the perfect malware, and there will be a perfect malware, breaks
the chain. Then the tried and true representative precious metal (or
whichever barter-able commodity) standard proves to be bar whore reliable
reality that it is.
Fees are the lowest concern in the real chain
I could be wrong, quite often I am. But Ill hedge a bet people in 25 years
will speak as fondly of block chain currency as they do the Edsel.

On Thu, Nov 16, 2017 at 3:42 PM, Travis Johnson  wrote:

> Hi,
>
> The entire idea and goal of bitcoin was to take away the financial
> institutions from having "control" and charging fees to handle money. In
> exchange for no fees (sending or receiving BTC is free), you also have no
> security. Once it's sent, it's gone.
>
> However, now the banks have just been replaced with places like
> Coinbase... bitcoin "exchanges" that charge roughly 1.5% for every buy/sell
> transaction... and they take 7-10 business days to convert btc to cash or
> visa versa.
>
> I don't see how this is a long term thing? Once all the "mining" is being
> done by huge datacenters (for another 3-4 years is all), then I don't see
> it becoming the new money standard like everyone thinks. You will still
> have to pay fees, and someone else is still in control of your money. :(
>
> Travis
>
>

[AFMUG] BTC

[Travis Johnson]

Hi,

The entire idea and goal of bitcoin was to take away the financial 
institutions from having "control" and charging fees to handle money. In 
exchange for no fees (sending or receiving BTC is free), you also have 
no security. Once it's sent, it's gone.


However, now the banks have just been replaced with places like 
Coinbase... bitcoin "exchanges" that charge roughly 1.5% for every 
buy/sell transaction... and they take 7-10 business days to convert btc 
to cash or visa versa.


I don't see how this is a long term thing? Once all the "mining" is 
being done by huge datacenters (for another 3-4 years is all), then I 
don't see it becoming the new money standard like everyone thinks. You 
will still have to pay fees, and someone else is still in control of 
your money. :(


Travis

Re: [AFMUG] The Wall

[Lewis Bergman]

I have seen the same thing. For anything considered in the public interest,
even in Texas, The landowner always loses. They do get compensation, but if
they don't want you on there at any price the compensation, at least in my
opinion, can't ever quite reach fair. I have a few friends that own 50,000
plus acres in a few different places and they have fought and lost every
battle with utility providers. They got paid a lot, but they didn't need
nor want he money. They wanted their view more.

On Thu, Nov 16, 2017 at 3:26 PM  wrote:

> I have not found that to be true.  You file and get on the docket.  If the
> judge has a fairly clear schedule you can get there in about 21 days.
> And you always win, as in you always get access to the property.  Then the
> process turns in favor of the landowner when it comes to consideration.
> You end up paying lotsa money for that access.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Graham McIntire
> Sent: Thursday, November 16, 2017 2:22 PM
> To: af@afmug.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] The Wall
>
> To be fair, the process of imminent domain is monumentally slow, they
> discuss it here: https://trumpconlaw.com/8-the-takings-clause
>
> On Wed, Nov 15, 2017 at 11:12 PM, Steve Jones 
> wrote:
> > The division bell brings back some fond memories, well, they are more
> > spotty
> > memories and recollections coupled with a few things im confident didnt
> > really happen
> >
> > On Nov 15, 2017 10:18 PM, "Jaime Solorza" 
> > wrote:
> >>
> >> I prefer Dark Side of The Moon over The Wall...we are talking about Punk
> >> Floyd ?
> >>
> >> I am sure eyebrows raised when you saw I responded to this thread.
> >>
> >> On Nov 15, 2017 8:59 PM, "Sean Heskett"  wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Is there idea any more unreasonable than building a stupid $20billion
> >>> dollar wall that won’t work?!?!
> >>>
> >>> -Sean
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> On Wed, Nov 15, 2017 at 12:52 PM Travis Johnson  wrote:
> 
>  Hi,
> 
> 
> 
> http://www.cnn.com/2017/11/15/us/cards-against-humanity-land-grab-trnd/index.html
> 
>  This is their brilliant scheme to "stop the wall" tie up as much
>  time and money of the government. Where do these kind of people think
>  the government gets it's money??
> 
>  Wow. I am amazed almost every day with some of these businesses and
>  people running them.
> 
>  Travis
> 
> >
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] High-voltage lines interference

[Craig House]

The situation you described of shooting through the powerlines is a similar 
scenario to where we have problems in the past. And building a taller structure 
to shoot over them because they were often the distance resolve the issue. In 
this case it will be shooting parallel to the powerlines because we are trying 
to connect to a tower that is 4 1/2 miles away at the electric substation. I am 
planning on going back out Monday weather permitting with a drone try to verify 
that I can see the tower at 90 feet. Hopefully with multiple options for 
frequencies we can find something that will connect. But worst case is I have 
another Tower 9 1/2 miles the opposite direction that we could connect to but 
it’s partially obstructed by trees. In that scenario we might have to amend our 
contract to put equipment higher on the tower at the other side

Sent from my iPhone

> On Nov 16, 2017, at 15:30, Adam Moffett  wrote:
> 
> Yup.
> 
> -- Original Message --
> From: "Brian Webster" 
> To: af@afmug.com
> Sent: 11/16/2017 4:10:51 PM
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] High-voltage lines interference
> 
>> Can you get them to pay for you to rent a JLG type lift that goes up to 
>> 100ft and do a site survey? Seems like with that big a life change they 
>> would be willing to shell out that to be sure.  I bet both you and he would 
>> feel a lot more comfortable knowing it’s going to work first.
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> Thank You,
>> 
>> Brian Webster
>> 
>> www.wirelessmapping.com
>> 
>> www.Broadband-Mapping.com
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Craig House
>> Sent: Thursday, November 16, 2017 3:05 PM
>> To: af@afmug.com
>> Subject: [AFMUG] High-voltage lines interference
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> In the past we have experienced issues being near high-voltage powerlines 
>> and being able to get a consistent or even usable connection on wireless 
>> equipment. But it does not seem consistent. My dilemma today has to do with 
>> the fact that I did a site survey for a customer that wants to buy 224 acres 
>> with two houses in a cabin on it and move here from Pennsylvania. This is 
>> all contingent on the fact that we can get him service. He is willing to 
>> build and pay for a tower but the only location it can be placed is within a 
>> quarter-mile of some high tension high-voltage powerlines. At that location 
>> with a 90 foot tower I can get him service based on software. The problem is 
>> I don’t want to build a tower have him buy that kind of property move here 
>> from Pennsylvania and have something like straight RF causing us not to be 
>> able to get a link that will work. Anyone have any experience knowing what 
>> does and doesn’t work around high voltage transmission lines?
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone

Re: [AFMUG] High-voltage lines interference

[Adam Moffett]

I only remember going through lines like that once, and the signal was 
erratic.  This was with FSK Canopy on a reflector.  All I did was 
reposition the dish so the path was under the lines instead of through 
them, and that cleared it right up.  I don't remember the exact range, 
it was across the road and across the parking lotmaybe 100-300 feet. 
 I think it was more about having metal objects in the path rather than 
RF noise.  I think the radio noise emitted by those lines would be a 
multiple of 60hz, and it should become less and less significant as you 
get more multiples away from 60hz.  I welcome somebody smarter than me 
to correct that assumption.

-Adam


-- Original Message --
From: ch...@wbmfg.com
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: 11/16/2017 3:06:41 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] High-voltage lines interference

I have never had issues, but I was always at least 200 feet away from 
the power lines.


From:Craig House
Sent: Thursday, November 16, 2017 1:04 PM
To:af@afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] High-voltage lines interference

In the past we have experienced issues being near high-voltage 
powerlines and being able to get a consistent or even usable connection 
on wireless equipment. But it does not seem consistent. My dilemma 
today has to do with the fact that I did a site survey for a customer 
that wants to buy 224 acres with two houses in a cabin on it and move 
here from Pennsylvania. This is all contingent on the fact that we can 
get him service. He is willing to build and pay for a tower but the 
only location it can be placed is within a quarter-mile of some high 
tension high-voltage powerlines. At that location with a 90 foot tower 
I can get him service based on software. The problem is I don’t want to 
build a tower have him buy that kind of property move here from 
Pennsylvania and have something like straight RF causing us not to be 
able to get a link that will work. Anyone have any experience knowing 
what does and doesn’t work around high voltage transmission lines?


Sent from my iPhone

Re: [AFMUG] High-voltage lines interference

[Adam Moffett]

Yup.

-- Original Message --
From: "Brian Webster" 
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: 11/16/2017 4:10:51 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] High-voltage lines interference

Can you get them to pay for you to rent a JLG type lift that goes up to 
100ft and do a site survey? Seems like with that big a life change they 
would be willing to shell out that to be sure.  I bet both you and he 
would feel a lot more comfortable knowing it’s going to work first.




Thank You,

Brian Webster

www.wirelessmapping.com

www.Broadband-Mapping.com



From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Craig House
Sent: Thursday, November 16, 2017 3:05 PM
To:af@afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] High-voltage lines interference



In the past we have experienced issues being near high-voltage 
powerlines and being able to get a consistent or even usable connection 
on wireless equipment. But it does not seem consistent. My dilemma 
today has to do with the fact that I did a site survey for a customer 
that wants to buy 224 acres with two houses in a cabin on it and move 
here from Pennsylvania. This is all contingent on the fact that we can 
get him service. He is willing to build and pay for a tower but the 
only location it can be placed is within a quarter-mile of some high 
tension high-voltage powerlines. At that location with a 90 foot tower 
I can get him service based on software. The problem is I don’t want to 
build a tower have him buy that kind of property move here from 
Pennsylvania and have something like straight RF causing us not to be 
able to get a link that will work. Anyone have any experience knowing 
what does and doesn’t work around high voltage transmission lines?


Sent from my iPhone

Re: [AFMUG] The Wall

[chuck]

I have not found that to be true.  You file and get on the docket.  If the 
judge has a fairly clear schedule you can get there in about 21 days.
And you always win, as in you always get access to the property.  Then the 
process turns in favor of the landowner when it comes to consideration.

You end up paying lotsa money for that access.

-Original Message- 
From: Graham McIntire

Sent: Thursday, November 16, 2017 2:22 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] The Wall

To be fair, the process of imminent domain is monumentally slow, they
discuss it here: https://trumpconlaw.com/8-the-takings-clause

On Wed, Nov 15, 2017 at 11:12 PM, Steve Jones  
wrote:
The division bell brings back some fond memories, well, they are more 
spotty

memories and recollections coupled with a few things im confident didnt
really happen

On Nov 15, 2017 10:18 PM, "Jaime Solorza"  
wrote:


I prefer Dark Side of The Moon over The Wall...we are talking about Punk
Floyd ?

I am sure eyebrows raised when you saw I responded to this thread.

On Nov 15, 2017 8:59 PM, "Sean Heskett"  wrote:


Is there idea any more unreasonable than building a stupid $20billion
dollar wall that won’t work?!?!

-Sean


On Wed, Nov 15, 2017 at 12:52 PM Travis Johnson  wrote:


Hi,


http://www.cnn.com/2017/11/15/us/cards-against-humanity-land-grab-trnd/index.html

This is their brilliant scheme to "stop the wall" tie up as much
time and money of the government. Where do these kind of people think
the government gets it's money??

Wow. I am amazed almost every day with some of these businesses and
people running them.

Travis

Re: [AFMUG] High-voltage lines interference

[Steve Jones]

release of liability

On Thu, Nov 16, 2017 at 3:10 PM, Brian Webster 
wrote:

> Can you get them to pay for you to rent a JLG type lift that goes up to
> 100ft and do a site survey? Seems like with that big a life change they
> would be willing to shell out that to be sure.  I bet both you and he would
> feel a lot more comfortable knowing it’s going to work first.
>
>
>
> Thank You,
>
> Brian Webster
>
> www.wirelessmapping.com
>
> www.Broadband-Mapping.com
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Craig House
> *Sent:* Thursday, November 16, 2017 3:05 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* [AFMUG] High-voltage lines interference
>
>
>
> In the past we have experienced issues being near high-voltage powerlines
> and being able to get a consistent or even usable connection on wireless
> equipment. But it does not seem consistent. My dilemma today has to do with
> the fact that I did a site survey for a customer that wants to buy 224
> acres with two houses in a cabin on it and move here from Pennsylvania.
> This is all contingent on the fact that we can get him service. He is
> willing to build and pay for a tower but the only location it can be placed
> is within a quarter-mile of some high tension high-voltage powerlines. At
> that location with a 90 foot tower I can get him service based on software.
> The problem is I don’t want to build a tower have him buy that kind of
> property move here from Pennsylvania and have something like straight RF
> causing us not to be able to get a link that will work. Anyone have any
> experience knowing what does and doesn’t work around high voltage
> transmission lines?
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>

Re: [AFMUG] The Wall

[Graham McIntire]

To be fair, the process of imminent domain is monumentally slow, they
discuss it here: https://trumpconlaw.com/8-the-takings-clause

On Wed, Nov 15, 2017 at 11:12 PM, Steve Jones  wrote:
> The division bell brings back some fond memories, well, they are more spotty
> memories and recollections coupled with a few things im confident didnt
> really happen
>
> On Nov 15, 2017 10:18 PM, "Jaime Solorza"  wrote:
>>
>> I prefer Dark Side of The Moon over The Wall...we are talking about Punk
>> Floyd ?
>>
>> I am sure eyebrows raised when you saw I responded to this thread.
>>
>> On Nov 15, 2017 8:59 PM, "Sean Heskett"  wrote:
>>>
>>> Is there idea any more unreasonable than building a stupid $20billion
>>> dollar wall that won’t work?!?!
>>>
>>> -Sean
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wed, Nov 15, 2017 at 12:52 PM Travis Johnson  wrote:

 Hi,


 http://www.cnn.com/2017/11/15/us/cards-against-humanity-land-grab-trnd/index.html

 This is their brilliant scheme to "stop the wall" tie up as much
 time and money of the government. Where do these kind of people think
 the government gets it's money??

 Wow. I am amazed almost every day with some of these businesses and
 people running them.

 Travis

>

Re: [AFMUG] High-voltage lines interference

[Brian Webster]

Can you get them to pay for you to rent a JLG type lift that goes up to 100ft 
and do a site survey? Seems like with that big a life change they would be 
willing to shell out that to be sure.  I bet both you and he would feel a lot 
more comfortable knowing it’s going to work first.

 

Thank You,

Brian Webster

  www.wirelessmapping.com

www.Broadband-Mapping.com

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Craig House
Sent: Thursday, November 16, 2017 3:05 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] High-voltage lines interference

 

In the past we have experienced issues being near high-voltage powerlines and 
being able to get a consistent or even usable connection on wireless equipment. 
But it does not seem consistent. My dilemma today has to do with the fact that 
I did a site survey for a customer that wants to buy 224 acres with two houses 
in a cabin on it and move here from Pennsylvania. This is all contingent on the 
fact that we can get him service. He is willing to build and pay for a tower 
but the only location it can be placed is within a quarter-mile of some high 
tension high-voltage powerlines. At that location with a 90 foot tower I can 
get him service based on software. The problem is I don’t want to build a tower 
have him buy that kind of property move here from Pennsylvania and have 
something like straight RF causing us not to be able to get a link that will 
work. Anyone have any experience knowing what does and doesn’t work around high 
voltage transmission lines?

Sent from my iPhone

Re: [AFMUG] High-voltage lines interference

[Robert Andrews]

What kind of High Voltage?  Long distance 115-800KV lines or local 80KV 
lines?   We have an AP ( not tall ) sitting 100 feet below HV lines on a 
hillside.   It doesn't have any effect other than the lightning halo we 
enjoy...


Robert

On 11/16/2017 12:06 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
I have never had issues, but I was always at least 200 feet away from 
the power lines.

*From:* Craig House
*Sent:* Thursday, November 16, 2017 1:04 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* [AFMUG] High-voltage lines interference
In the past we have experienced issues being near high-voltage 
powerlines and being able to get a consistent or even usable connection 
on wireless equipment. But it does not seem consistent. My dilemma today 
has to do with the fact that I did a site survey for a customer that 
wants to buy 224 acres with two houses in a cabin on it and move here 
from Pennsylvania. This is all contingent on the fact that we can get 
him service. He is willing to build and pay for a tower but the only 
location it can be placed is within a quarter-mile of some high tension 
high-voltage powerlines. At that location with a 90 foot tower I can get 
him service based on software. The problem is I don’t want to build a 
tower have him buy that kind of property move here from Pennsylvania and 
have something like straight RF causing us not to be able to get a link 
that will work. Anyone have any experience knowing what does and doesn’t 
work around high voltage transmission lines?


Sent from my iPhone

Re: [AFMUG] OT Lucky me.

[Jaime Solorza]

Thanks.  It was good food, company and beer!!!

On Nov 16, 2017 8:34 AM, "Josh Luthman"  wrote:

> Forgot to say happy birthday yesterday.  Happy belated birthday Jaime!
> Looks like you had a damn good one (except for that beer...)
>
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340 <(937)%20552-2340>
> Direct: 937-552-2343 <(937)%20552-2343>
> 1100 Wayne St
> 
> Suite 1337
> 
> Troy, OH 45373
> 
>
> On Wed, Nov 15, 2017 at 11:43 PM, Jaime Solorza  > wrote:
>
>> Yes... cheese , butter and chorizo...the toreado jalapeno was hot!!!
>>
>> On Nov 15, 2017 9:17 PM, "Jason McKemie" > com> wrote:
>>
>> I love choriqueso, I assume this is similar?
>>
>>
>> On Wednesday, November 15, 2017, Jaime Solorza 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Wife took me out for my bday ...queso Fundido con chorizo, arrachera
>>> steak and Tecate
>>>
>>
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] High-voltage lines interference

[chuck]

I have never had issues, but I was always at least 200 feet away from the power 
lines.  

From: Craig House 
Sent: Thursday, November 16, 2017 1:04 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: [AFMUG] High-voltage lines interference

In the past we have experienced issues being near high-voltage powerlines and 
being able to get a consistent or even usable connection on wireless equipment. 
But it does not seem consistent. My dilemma today has to do with the fact that 
I did a site survey for a customer that wants to buy 224 acres with two houses 
in a cabin on it and move here from Pennsylvania. This is all contingent on the 
fact that we can get him service. He is willing to build and pay for a tower 
but the only location it can be placed is within a quarter-mile of some high 
tension high-voltage powerlines. At that location with a 90 foot tower I can 
get him service based on software. The problem is I don’t want to build a tower 
have him buy that kind of property move here from Pennsylvania and have 
something like straight RF causing us not to be able to get a link that will 
work. Anyone have any experience knowing what does and doesn’t work around high 
voltage transmission lines?


Sent from my iPhone

[AFMUG] High-voltage lines interference

[Craig House]

In the past we have experienced issues being near high-voltage powerlines and 
being able to get a consistent or even usable connection on wireless equipment. 
But it does not seem consistent. My dilemma today has to do with the fact that 
I did a site survey for a customer that wants to buy 224 acres with two houses 
in a cabin on it and move here from Pennsylvania. This is all contingent on the 
fact that we can get him service. He is willing to build and pay for a tower 
but the only location it can be placed is within a quarter-mile of some high 
tension high-voltage powerlines. At that location with a 90 foot tower I can 
get him service based on software. The problem is I don’t want to build a tower 
have him buy that kind of property move here from Pennsylvania and have 
something like straight RF causing us not to be able to get a link that will 
work. Anyone have any experience knowing what does and doesn’t work around high 
voltage transmission lines?

Sent from my iPhone

Re: [AFMUG] Newest NPRM for CBRS

[Mark Radabaugh]

To the best of our knowledge no.   They approved it last month but it has not 
made the Federal Register.   I’m not sure what the holdup is, though I believe 
the FCC voted to allow “Editorial Privileges” which is supposed to be used to 
make minor corrections to the document without requiring a new vote.   I’m not 
sure what the holdup it.

Mark

> On Nov 16, 2017, at 2:51 PM, Adam Moffett  wrote:
> 
> Has the FCC published the NPRM for 3.5ghz rule changes?  For some reason I 
> thought they had, but Google is failing me on this.

[AFMUG] Newest NPRM for CBRS

[Adam Moffett]

Has the FCC published the NPRM for 3.5ghz rule changes?  For some reason 
I thought they had, but Google is failing me on this.

Re: [AFMUG] Good old American Capitalism

[Adam Moffett]

You been watchin Star Trek re-runs dog?


-- Original Message --
From: "Steve Jones" 
To: "af@afmug.com" 
Sent: 11/16/2017 12:22:30 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Good old American Capitalism

I assume there is a word for it, but what happens when we hit the hard 
limit of how fast particles or whatever can move? Whats that called? 
Like absolute zero in regard to heat. you could aggregate, but that 
limit would still bottleneck. Will we have to start installing flux 
capacitors ad do our processing in the past? We could kick off a 
computation today and have the calculations take place in the infinity 
of the past, then dinosaurs could do VR shit.
It would all get fubar though cause some dick would calculate pi and 
tie up the machine, eventually kicking off some fatal system error, 
next think you know time has a kernel panic and we are all stuck in 
some crummy timeline loop


On Thu, Nov 16, 2017 at 10:33 AM, Forrest Christian (List Account) 
 wrote:
The same technology set which is making quantum computing possible is 
making the next generation of encryption possible. See  
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quantum_cryptography 



Also,  ibm has put a previous iteration of their quantum computer 
online so mere mortals can run code on it.   See 
https://quantumexperience.ng.bluemix.net/qx 



On Nov 16, 2017 9:00 AM, "Adam Moffett"  wrote:
I bet someone has been working on a problem that a QC can't easily 
solve in order to make new encryption.


-- Original Message --
From: "Steve Jones" 
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: 11/16/2017 8:11:42 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Good old American Capitalism

If no one of merit is breaking encryption, the technology will 
stagnate and undiscovered vulnerabilties would be exploited by 
malicious actors.


On Nov 15, 2017 11:53 PM, "Rory Conaway"  
wrote:
The goal for governments to have this computer is to destroy 
encryption.  That's why China just announced they are spending $10B 
to build one.  The goal of IBM is to sell the patent rights.  They 
need a big win and this may be it.


Rory

-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Bill Prince
Sent: Wednesday, November 15, 2017 11:59 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Good old American Capitalism

How do we know it already is or is not?

bp


On 11/15/2017 10:48 AM, Dave wrote:
> too much power for the govment they wouldnt know what to do with 
it..

> in fact A.I. may run the govment for them LOL

Re: [AFMUG] AF11x

[chuck]

If you could park the end of the ruler on the case where the N connector sticks 
its head out the hole, I need to know how much of the N connector is showing.  
That little lip is part of the case as far as I am concerned.  I have the same 
boots that UBNT uses, but my N connectors are a little longer.  

Here is another way to answer the question:  When the N connector is screwed 
all the way down and the boot is installed, how much room is there inside the 
boot to accommodate a longer N connector?

From: Bill Prince 
Sent: Thursday, November 16, 2017 11:45 AM
To: Motorola III 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] AF11x

Kind of hard to answer that question. The case holds the diplexers inside. The 
N connector is about a 1/2" above the "case", but it's recessed inside the 
little lip for the boot that UBNT uses. 

Hard to describe. Maybe we need a picture?


--

bp

part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com


On Thu, Nov 16, 2017 at 8:49 AM,  wrote:

  Could someone please measure how much the N connectors protrude above the 
case on an AF11x for me?
  I have a case but it does not have the diplexer/duplexer filters in it.  

  I have cables and boots but my N connectors are slightly longer than the ones 
from UBNT.  
  My N connector could be in danger of slightly stretching the boot if things 
are too tight.  

Re: [AFMUG] AF11x

[Bill Prince]

Kind of hard to answer that question. The case holds the diplexers inside.
The N connector is about a 1/2" above the "case", but it's recessed inside
the little lip for the boot that UBNT uses.

Hard to describe. Maybe we need a picture?


--
bp
part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com

On Thu, Nov 16, 2017 at 8:49 AM,  wrote:

> Could someone please measure how much the N connectors protrude above the
> case on an AF11x for me?
> I have a case but it does not have the diplexer/duplexer filters in it.
>
> I have cables and boots but my N connectors are slightly longer than the
> ones from UBNT.
> My N connector could be in danger of slightly stretching the boot if
> things are too tight.
>

Re: [AFMUG] converting AC devices to DC

[Bill Prince]

My feeling these days is to prefer equipment where the DC (logic) ground is
isolated from the chassis ground. Some vendors operate this way, and some
don't. As ususal, YMMV.

-bp

--
bp
part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com

On Thu, Nov 16, 2017 at 10:08 AM, Adam Moffett  wrote:

> Yes.  For a computer, the DC ATX power supply is the way to fly.
>
>
> -- Original Message --
> From: "can...@believewireless.net" 
> To: "af@afmug.com" 
> Sent: 11/16/2017 12:48:06 PM
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] converting AC devices to DC
>
> ​Depends on the device. For smaller computers, we just used the DC ATX
> power supplies. However, for bigger servers/routers,
> we used the ICT AC-DC converters: http://www.ict-power.com/
> product/dc-ac-pure-sine-wave-power-inverters/​
>
> On Thu, Nov 16, 2017 at 12:30 PM, Steve Jones 
> wrote:
>
>> So you guys that are bypassing the internal ac;dc power supplies for the
>> devices that arent sold DC, are you grounding chassis? and I assume there
>> is no way to not void your warranty by doing this?
>>
>> on spec sheets, the current consumption listed im guessing is accounting
>> for the conversion loss as well, is there a rule of thumb for calculating
>> your demand (ie 10% or whatnot)
>>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] converting AC devices to DC

[Adam Moffett]

Yes.  For a computer, the DC ATX power supply is the way to fly.


-- Original Message --
From: "can...@believewireless.net" 
To: "af@afmug.com" 
Sent: 11/16/2017 12:48:06 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] converting AC devices to DC

​Depends on the device. For smaller computers, we just used the DC ATX 
power supplies. However, for bigger servers/routers,
we used the ICT AC-DC converters: 
http://www.ict-power.com/product/dc-ac-pure-sine-wave-power-inverters/​


On Thu, Nov 16, 2017 at 12:30 PM, Steve Jones 
 wrote:
So you guys that are bypassing the internal ac;dc power supplies for 
the devices that arent sold DC, are you grounding chassis? and I 
assume there is no way to not void your warranty by doing this?


on spec sheets, the current consumption listed im guessing is 
accounting for the conversion loss as well, is there a rule of thumb 
for calculating your demand (ie 10% or whatnot)

Re: [AFMUG] converting AC devices to DC

[Adam Moffett]

Well, I've done this on the CCR and the RB1100.  In both cases, the 
chassis is not directly grounded by the AC cord anyway.  Inside the case 
is just a switching power supply brick.  I never checked whether DC was 
grounded beforehand (I probably should have), but I have not added any 
ground connection other than the fact that the rack is grounded.


Honestly I've never used the warranty, so I have no qualms about voiding 
it :)


I just keep using the wattage from the spec sheet for load calculations. 
 I couldn't prove whether their DC power supply is more efficient than 
mine, so I can't see trying to adjust.



-- Original Message --
From: "Steve Jones" 
To: "af@afmug.com" 
Sent: 11/16/2017 12:30:23 PM
Subject: [AFMUG] converting AC devices to DC

So you guys that are bypassing the internal ac;dc power supplies for 
the devices that arent sold DC, are you grounding chassis? and I assume 
there is no way to not void your warranty by doing this?


on spec sheets, the current consumption listed im guessing is 
accounting for the conversion loss as well, is there a rule of thumb 
for calculating your demand (ie 10% or whatnot)

Re: [AFMUG] Layer3 TV

[Joe Novak]

https://www.wired.com/2016/04/layer3-tv/

Layer3's original marketing was TV, reinvented. A top of the shelf
experience so to say, and you pay those prices for sure. It was not being
marketed as being the cheap alternative, but the better alternative.


Joe


On Thu, Nov 16, 2017 at 10:32 AM,  wrote:

> They gotcha covered:
> https://www.directvnow.com/thegoodstuff?ref=EDSCDNCDB00GOO7QP=
> EAIaIQobChMIsKufycLD1wIVhPhkCh1DGAFMEAAYASAAEgJHzfD_BwE#the-full-lineup
>
> *From:* CBB - Jay Fuller
> *Sent:* Thursday, November 16, 2017 9:24 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Layer3 TV
>
>
> Does it provide both golf and hgtv?  I am looking for a Christmas
> presentlol
>
> Sent from my Verizon 4G LTE Smartphone
>
> - Reply message -
> From: ch...@wbmfg.com
> To: 
> Subject: [AFMUG] Layer3 TV
> Date: Thu, Nov 16, 2017 10:13 AM
>
> I think the content lineup on DirecTV now is perfect.  It does everything
> for me that I want done.
>
> *From:* Mike Hammett
> *Sent:* Thursday, November 16, 2017 8:59 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Layer3 TV
>
> I don't know their channel line up, but thus far OTT and TV delivered
> other ways are different product offerings. Sure, many people don't care
> about the differences, but the content lineup isn't really comparable.
>
>
>
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Midwest Internet Exchange 
> 
> 
> 
> The Brothers WISP 
> 
>
>
> 
> --
> *From: *ch...@wbmfg.com
> *To: *af@afmug.com
> *Sent: *Thursday, November 16, 2017 9:38:54 AM
> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Layer3 TV
>
> A bit late in the game.  Directv Now recently upgraded their system to it
> almost works right all of the time.  They are adding DVR.
> Vue has been good for some time.
> SlingTV is OK but a bit clunky on the user interface.
> Pluto works flawlessly, has a very nice user interface and is free.
>
> I would not think having to have some defined hardware is a good way
> forward.  All you need is an app and an roku if you want to plug into
> something with using a computer.
>
> *From:* Mike Hammett
> *Sent:* Thursday, November 16, 2017 5:49 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Layer3 TV
>
> I saw articles about it a while back and have been seeing Facebook
> advertisements for it, but haven't really looked into it.
>
>
>
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Midwest Internet Exchange 
> 
> 
> 
> The Brothers WISP 
> 
>
>
> 
> --
> *From: *"Nate Burke" 
> *To: *"Animal Farm" 
> *Sent: *Wednesday, November 15, 2017 10:28:58 PM
> *Subject: *[AFMUG] Layer3 TV
>
> I was driving around today (Chicagoland) and saw a billboard for Layer3
> TV.  It looks like an OTT TV service, complete with Set-top boxes and
> DVR's all connected to your existing coax plant via MOCA. Their website
> is quite light on technical details.  Has anyone looked into them
> further?  They say that I can get it at my address, and they'll happily
> take my money and setup an installation time, but nowhere does it list
> minimum BW requirements or the like.
>
> I found a newspaper article from a few months ago where it talked about
> being only available for Comcast Customers, but RCN (another cable
> company) may be allowed soon.
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] converting AC devices to DC

[can...@believewireless.net]

​Depends on the device. For smaller computers, we just used the DC ATX
power supplies. However, for bigger servers/routers,
we used the ICT AC-DC converters:
http://www.ict-power.com/product/dc-ac-pure-sine-wave-power-inverters/​

On Thu, Nov 16, 2017 at 12:30 PM, Steve Jones 
wrote:

> So you guys that are bypassing the internal ac;dc power supplies for the
> devices that arent sold DC, are you grounding chassis? and I assume there
> is no way to not void your warranty by doing this?
>
> on spec sheets, the current consumption listed im guessing is accounting
> for the conversion loss as well, is there a rule of thumb for calculating
> your demand (ie 10% or whatnot)
>

[AFMUG] converting AC devices to DC

[Steve Jones]

So you guys that are bypassing the internal ac;dc power supplies for the
devices that arent sold DC, are you grounding chassis? and I assume there
is no way to not void your warranty by doing this?

on spec sheets, the current consumption listed im guessing is accounting
for the conversion loss as well, is there a rule of thumb for calculating
your demand (ie 10% or whatnot)

Re: [AFMUG] WISPAMERICA 2018 Registration Is Now Open

[CBB - Jay Fuller]

You will find pricing in Alabama is lower than just about anywhere else in the 
country.:)

Sent from my Verizon 4G LTE Smartphone

- Reply message -
From: ch...@wbmfg.com
To: 
Subject: [AFMUG] WISPAMERICA 2018 Registration Is Now Open
Date: Thu, Nov 16, 2017 10:59 AM

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Re: [AFMUG] Good old American Capitalism

[Steve Jones]

I assume there is a word for it, but what happens when we hit the hard
limit of how fast particles or whatever can move? Whats that called? Like
absolute zero in regard to heat. you could aggregate, but that limit would
still bottleneck. Will we have to start installing flux capacitors ad do
our processing in the past? We could kick off a computation today and have
the calculations take place in the infinity of the past, then dinosaurs
could do VR shit.
It would all get fubar though cause some dick would calculate pi and tie up
the machine, eventually kicking off some fatal system error, next think you
know time has a kernel panic and we are all stuck in some crummy timeline
loop

On Thu, Nov 16, 2017 at 10:33 AM, Forrest Christian (List Account) <
li...@packetflux.com> wrote:

> The same technology set which is making quantum computing possible is
> making the next generation of encryption possible. See
> https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quantum_cryptography
>
> Also,  ibm has put a previous iteration of their quantum computer online
> so mere mortals can run code on it.   See https://quantumexperience.
> ng.bluemix.net/qx
>
> On Nov 16, 2017 9:00 AM, "Adam Moffett"  wrote:
>
>> I bet someone has been working on a problem that a QC can't easily solve
>> in order to make new encryption.
>>
>> -- Original Message --
>> From: "Steve Jones" 
>> To: af@afmug.com
>> Sent: 11/16/2017 8:11:42 AM
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Good old American Capitalism
>>
>> If no one of merit is breaking encryption, the technology will stagnate
>> and undiscovered vulnerabilties would be exploited by malicious actors.
>>
>> On Nov 15, 2017 11:53 PM, "Rory Conaway"  wrote:
>>
>>> The goal for governments to have this computer is to destroy
>>> encryption.  That's why China just announced they are spending $10B to
>>> build one.  The goal of IBM is to sell the patent rights.  They need a big
>>> win and this may be it.
>>>
>>> Rory
>>>
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Bill Prince
>>> Sent: Wednesday, November 15, 2017 11:59 AM
>>> To: af@afmug.com
>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Good old American Capitalism
>>>
>>> How do we know it already is or is not?
>>>
>>> bp
>>> 
>>>
>>> On 11/15/2017 10:48 AM, Dave wrote:
>>> > too much power for the govment they wouldnt know what to do with it..
>>> > in fact A.I. may run the govment for them LOL
>>>
>>>

[AFMUG] WISPAMERICA 2018 Registration Is Now Open

[chuck]

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b.. Collocated Training & Events: Pre-Show on 
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[AFMUG] AF11x

[chuck]

Could someone please measure how much the N connectors protrude above the case 
on an AF11x for me?
I have a case but it does not have the diplexer/duplexer filters in it.  

I have cables and boots but my N connectors are slightly longer than the ones 
from UBNT.  
My N connector could be in danger of slightly stretching the boot if things are 
too tight.  

Re: [AFMUG] Good old American Capitalism

[Forrest Christian (List Account)]

The same technology set which is making quantum computing possible is
making the next generation of encryption possible. See
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quantum_cryptography

Also,  ibm has put a previous iteration of their quantum computer online so
mere mortals can run code on it.   See
https://quantumexperience.ng.bluemix.net/qx

On Nov 16, 2017 9:00 AM, "Adam Moffett"  wrote:

> I bet someone has been working on a problem that a QC can't easily solve
> in order to make new encryption.
>
> -- Original Message --
> From: "Steve Jones" 
> To: af@afmug.com
> Sent: 11/16/2017 8:11:42 AM
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Good old American Capitalism
>
> If no one of merit is breaking encryption, the technology will stagnate
> and undiscovered vulnerabilties would be exploited by malicious actors.
>
> On Nov 15, 2017 11:53 PM, "Rory Conaway"  wrote:
>
>> The goal for governments to have this computer is to destroy encryption.
>> That's why China just announced they are spending $10B to build one.  The
>> goal of IBM is to sell the patent rights.  They need a big win and this may
>> be it.
>>
>> Rory
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Bill Prince
>> Sent: Wednesday, November 15, 2017 11:59 AM
>> To: af@afmug.com
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Good old American Capitalism
>>
>> How do we know it already is or is not?
>>
>> bp
>> 
>>
>> On 11/15/2017 10:48 AM, Dave wrote:
>> > too much power for the govment they wouldnt know what to do with it..
>> > in fact A.I. may run the govment for them LOL
>>
>>

Re: [AFMUG] Layer3 TV

[chuck]

They gotcha covered:
https://www.directvnow.com/thegoodstuff?ref=EDSCDNCDB00GOO7QP=EAIaIQobChMIsKufycLD1wIVhPhkCh1DGAFMEAAYASAAEgJHzfD_BwE#the-full-lineup

From: CBB - Jay Fuller 
Sent: Thursday, November 16, 2017 9:24 AM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Layer3 TV


Does it provide both golf and hgtv?  I am looking for a Christmas 
presentlol 

Sent from my Verizon 4G LTE Smartphone

- Reply message -
From: ch...@wbmfg.com
To: 
Subject: [AFMUG] Layer3 TV
Date: Thu, Nov 16, 2017 10:13 AM

I think the content lineup on DirecTV now is perfect.  It does everything for 
me that I want done.  

From: Mike Hammett 
Sent: Thursday, November 16, 2017 8:59 AM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Layer3 TV

I don't know their channel line up, but thus far OTT and TV delivered other 
ways are different product offerings. Sure, many people don't care about the 
differences, but the content lineup isn't really comparable.




-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions

Midwest Internet Exchange

The Brothers WISP








From: ch...@wbmfg.com
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Thursday, November 16, 2017 9:38:54 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Layer3 TV


A bit late in the game.  Directv Now recently upgraded their system to it 
almost works right all of the time.  They are adding DVR.
Vue has been good for some time.
SlingTV is OK but a bit clunky on the user interface.
Pluto works flawlessly, has a very nice user interface and is free.  

I would not think having to have some defined hardware is a good way forward.  
All you need is an app and an roku if you want to plug into something with 
using a computer.  

From: Mike Hammett 
Sent: Thursday, November 16, 2017 5:49 AM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Layer3 TV

I saw articles about it a while back and have been seeing Facebook 
advertisements for it, but haven't really looked into it.




-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions

Midwest Internet Exchange

The Brothers WISP








From: "Nate Burke" 
To: "Animal Farm" 
Sent: Wednesday, November 15, 2017 10:28:58 PM
Subject: [AFMUG] Layer3 TV

I was driving around today (Chicagoland) and saw a billboard for Layer3 
TV.  It looks like an OTT TV service, complete with Set-top boxes and 
DVR's all connected to your existing coax plant via MOCA. Their website 
is quite light on technical details.  Has anyone looked into them 
further?  They say that I can get it at my address, and they'll happily 
take my money and setup an installation time, but nowhere does it list 
minimum BW requirements or the like.

I found a newspaper article from a few months ago where it talked about 
being only available for Comcast Customers, but RCN (another cable 
company) may be allowed soon.

Re: [AFMUG] Layer3 TV

[CBB - Jay Fuller]

Does it provide both golf and hgtv?  I am looking for a Christmas 
presentlol 

Sent from my Verizon 4G LTE Smartphone

- Reply message -
From: ch...@wbmfg.com
To: 
Subject: [AFMUG] Layer3 TV
Date: Thu, Nov 16, 2017 10:13 AM

I think the content lineup on DirecTV now is perfect.  It does
everything for me that I want done.  




From: Mike 
Hammett 
Sent: Thursday, November 16, 2017 8:59 AM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Layer3 TV


I 
don't know their channel line up, but thus far OTT and TV delivered other ways 
are different product offerings. Sure, many people don't care about the 
differences, but the content lineup isn't really comparable.
-Mike 
HammettIntelligent Computing SolutionsMidwest Internet ExchangeThe Brothers WISP


From: 
chuck@wbmfg.comTo: af@afmug.comSent: Thursday,
November 16, 2017 9:38:54 AMSubject: Re: [AFMUG] Layer3 TV




A bit late in the game.  Directv Now recently upgraded their system to 
it almost works right all of the time.  They are adding DVR.
Vue has been good for some time.
SlingTV is OK but a bit clunky on the user interface.
Pluto works flawlessly, has a very nice user interface and is free.  


I would not think having to have some defined hardware is a good way 
forward.  All you need is an app and an roku if you want to plug into 
something with using a computer.  




From: Mike 
Hammett 
Sent: Thursday, November 16, 2017 5:49 AM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Layer3 TV


I 
saw articles about it a while back and have been seeing Facebook advertisements 
for it, but haven't really looked into it.
-Mike 
HammettIntelligent Computing 
SolutionsMidwest Internet ExchangeThe Brothers WISP


From: 
"Nate Burke" To: "Animal Farm" 
Sent: Wednesday, November 15, 2017 10:28:58 
PMSubject: [AFMUG] Layer3 TVI was driving around today 
(Chicagoland) and saw a billboard for Layer3 TV.  It looks like an OTT 
TV service, complete with Set-top boxes and DVR's all connected to your 
existing coax plant via MOCA. Their website is quite light on technical 
details.  Has anyone looked into them further?  They say that I 
can get it at my address, and they'll happily take my money and setup an 
installation time, but nowhere does it list minimum BW requirements or the 
like.I found a newspaper article from a few months ago where it talked 
about being only available for Comcast Customers, but RCN (another cable 
company) may be allowed soon.

Re: [AFMUG] Layer3 TV

[Lewis Bergman]

I don't have the patience or desire to figure all the TV services out. The
real deal is I don't want to constantly train my wife, as she forgets right
after I tell her, how to make all this work. I would love it if someone had
some kind of aggregation app that flowed into the live schedule deals so
you just select from what looks like one source.

On Thu, Nov 16, 2017 at 9:59 AM Mike Hammett  wrote:

> I don't know their channel line up, but thus far OTT and TV delivered
> other ways are different product offerings. Sure, many people don't care
> about the differences, but the content lineup isn't really comparable.
>
>
>
>
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Midwest Internet Exchange 
> 
> 
> 
> The Brothers WISP 
> 
>
>
> 
> --
> *From: *ch...@wbmfg.com
> *To: *af@afmug.com
> *Sent: *Thursday, November 16, 2017 9:38:54 AM
>
> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Layer3 TV
>
> A bit late in the game.  Directv Now recently upgraded their system to it
> almost works right all of the time.  They are adding DVR.
> Vue has been good for some time.
> SlingTV is OK but a bit clunky on the user interface.
> Pluto works flawlessly, has a very nice user interface and is free.
>
> I would not think having to have some defined hardware is a good way
> forward.  All you need is an app and an roku if you want to plug into
> something with using a computer.
>
> *From:* Mike Hammett
> *Sent:* Thursday, November 16, 2017 5:49 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Layer3 TV
>
> I saw articles about it a while back and have been seeing Facebook
> advertisements for it, but haven't really looked into it.
>
>
>
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Midwest Internet Exchange 
> 
> 
> 
> The Brothers WISP 
> 
>
>
> 
> --
> *From: *"Nate Burke" 
> *To: *"Animal Farm" 
> *Sent: *Wednesday, November 15, 2017 10:28:58 PM
> *Subject: *[AFMUG] Layer3 TV
>
> I was driving around today (Chicagoland) and saw a billboard for Layer3
> TV.  It looks like an OTT TV service, complete with Set-top boxes and
> DVR's all connected to your existing coax plant via MOCA. Their website
> is quite light on technical details.  Has anyone looked into them
> further?  They say that I can get it at my address, and they'll happily
> take my money and setup an installation time, but nowhere does it list
> minimum BW requirements or the like.
>
> I found a newspaper article from a few months ago where it talked about
> being only available for Comcast Customers, but RCN (another cable
> company) may be allowed soon.
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Layer3 TV

[chuck]

I think the content lineup on DirecTV now is perfect.  It does everything for 
me that I want done.  

From: Mike Hammett 
Sent: Thursday, November 16, 2017 8:59 AM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Layer3 TV

I don't know their channel line up, but thus far OTT and TV delivered other 
ways are different product offerings. Sure, many people don't care about the 
differences, but the content lineup isn't really comparable.




-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions

Midwest Internet Exchange

The Brothers WISP








From: ch...@wbmfg.com
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Thursday, November 16, 2017 9:38:54 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Layer3 TV


A bit late in the game.  Directv Now recently upgraded their system to it 
almost works right all of the time.  They are adding DVR.
Vue has been good for some time.
SlingTV is OK but a bit clunky on the user interface.
Pluto works flawlessly, has a very nice user interface and is free.  

I would not think having to have some defined hardware is a good way forward.  
All you need is an app and an roku if you want to plug into something with 
using a computer.  

From: Mike Hammett 
Sent: Thursday, November 16, 2017 5:49 AM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Layer3 TV

I saw articles about it a while back and have been seeing Facebook 
advertisements for it, but haven't really looked into it.




-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions

Midwest Internet Exchange

The Brothers WISP








From: "Nate Burke" 
To: "Animal Farm" 
Sent: Wednesday, November 15, 2017 10:28:58 PM
Subject: [AFMUG] Layer3 TV

I was driving around today (Chicagoland) and saw a billboard for Layer3 
TV.  It looks like an OTT TV service, complete with Set-top boxes and 
DVR's all connected to your existing coax plant via MOCA. Their website 
is quite light on technical details.  Has anyone looked into them 
further?  They say that I can get it at my address, and they'll happily 
take my money and setup an installation time, but nowhere does it list 
minimum BW requirements or the like.

I found a newspaper article from a few months ago where it talked about 
being only available for Comcast Customers, but RCN (another cable 
company) may be allowed soon.

Re: [AFMUG] Good old American Capitalism

[Robert]

I wonder if it has significant advantages for bitcoin mining...   It 
would be funny if all the sudden a bunch of blocks appeared...


On 11/16/17 6:08 AM, Lewis Bergman wrote:
It just strikes me that the pictures of this quantum computer look as 
different from today's computers as the computers from 50 years ago look 
different from today's computers. 50 years from now I assume our grand 
kids will be walking around with quantum computers on their wrists or 
embedded someplace whining about how long it takes to solve some mystery 
we can't even think about at the moment. "I just got my new Centillion 
bit watch today. That old Vigintillion one was getting so damn slow."


On Thu, Nov 16, 2017 at 7:11 AM Steve Jones > wrote:


If no one of merit is breaking encryption, the technology will
stagnate and undiscovered vulnerabilties would be exploited by
malicious actors.

On Nov 15, 2017 11:53 PM, "Rory Conaway" > wrote:

The goal for governments to have this computer is to destroy
encryption.  That's why China just announced they are spending
$10B to build one.  The goal of IBM is to sell the patent
rights.  They need a big win and this may be it.

Rory

-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com
] On Behalf Of Bill Prince
Sent: Wednesday, November 15, 2017 11:59 AM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Good old American Capitalism

How do we know it already is or is not?

bp


On 11/15/2017 10:48 AM, Dave wrote:
 > too much power for the govment they wouldnt know what to do
with it..
 > in fact A.I. may run the govment for them LOL

Re: [AFMUG] Good old American Capitalism

[Adam Moffett]

I bet someone has been working on a problem that a QC can't easily solve 
in order to make new encryption.


-- Original Message --
From: "Steve Jones" 
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: 11/16/2017 8:11:42 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Good old American Capitalism

If no one of merit is breaking encryption, the technology will stagnate 
and undiscovered vulnerabilties would be exploited by malicious actors.


On Nov 15, 2017 11:53 PM, "Rory Conaway"  
wrote:
The goal for governments to have this computer is to destroy 
encryption.  That's why China just announced they are spending $10B to 
build one.  The goal of IBM is to sell the patent rights.  They need a 
big win and this may be it.


Rory

-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Bill Prince
Sent: Wednesday, November 15, 2017 11:59 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Good old American Capitalism

How do we know it already is or is not?

bp


On 11/15/2017 10:48 AM, Dave wrote:
> too much power for the govment they wouldnt know what to do with 
it..

> in fact A.I. may run the govment for them LOL

Re: [AFMUG] Layer3 TV

[Mike Hammett]

I don't know their channel line up, but thus far OTT and TV delivered other 
ways are different product offerings. Sure, many people don't care about the 
differences, but the content lineup isn't really comparable. 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 




- Original Message -

From: ch...@wbmfg.com 
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Thursday, November 16, 2017 9:38:54 AM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Layer3 TV 




A bit late in the game. Directv Now recently upgraded their system to it almost 
works right all of the time. They are adding DVR. 
Vue has been good for some time. 
SlingTV is OK but a bit clunky on the user interface. 
Pluto works flawlessly, has a very nice user interface and is free. 

I would not think having to have some defined hardware is a good way forward. 
All you need is an app and an roku if you want to plug into something with 
using a computer. 




From: Mike Hammett 
Sent: Thursday, November 16, 2017 5:49 AM 
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Layer3 TV 


I saw articles about it a while back and have been seeing Facebook 
advertisements for it, but haven't really looked into it. 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 




- Original Message -

From: "Nate Burke"  
To: "Animal Farm"  
Sent: Wednesday, November 15, 2017 10:28:58 PM 
Subject: [AFMUG] Layer3 TV 

I was driving around today (Chicagoland) and saw a billboard for Layer3 
TV. It looks like an OTT TV service, complete with Set-top boxes and 
DVR's all connected to your existing coax plant via MOCA. Their website 
is quite light on technical details. Has anyone looked into them 
further? They say that I can get it at my address, and they'll happily 
take my money and setup an installation time, but nowhere does it list 
minimum BW requirements or the like. 

I found a newspaper article from a few months ago where it talked about 
being only available for Comcast Customers, but RCN (another cable 
company) may be allowed soon. 

Re: [AFMUG] Layer3 TV

[chuck]

A bit late in the game.  Directv Now recently upgraded their system to it 
almost works right all of the time.  They are adding DVR.
Vue has been good for some time.
SlingTV is OK but a bit clunky on the user interface.
Pluto works flawlessly, has a very nice user interface and is free.  

I would not think having to have some defined hardware is a good way forward.  
All you need is an app and an roku if you want to plug into something with 
using a computer.  

From: Mike Hammett 
Sent: Thursday, November 16, 2017 5:49 AM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Layer3 TV

I saw articles about it a while back and have been seeing Facebook 
advertisements for it, but haven't really looked into it.




-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions

Midwest Internet Exchange

The Brothers WISP








From: "Nate Burke" 
To: "Animal Farm" 
Sent: Wednesday, November 15, 2017 10:28:58 PM
Subject: [AFMUG] Layer3 TV

I was driving around today (Chicagoland) and saw a billboard for Layer3 
TV.  It looks like an OTT TV service, complete with Set-top boxes and 
DVR's all connected to your existing coax plant via MOCA. Their website 
is quite light on technical details.  Has anyone looked into them 
further?  They say that I can get it at my address, and they'll happily 
take my money and setup an installation time, but nowhere does it list 
minimum BW requirements or the like.

I found a newspaper article from a few months ago where it talked about 
being only available for Comcast Customers, but RCN (another cable 
company) may be allowed soon.

Re: [AFMUG] OT Lucky me.

[Josh Luthman]

Forgot to say happy birthday yesterday.  Happy belated birthday Jaime!
Looks like you had a damn good one (except for that beer...)


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Wed, Nov 15, 2017 at 11:43 PM, Jaime Solorza 
wrote:

> Yes... cheese , butter and chorizo...the toreado jalapeno was hot!!!
>
> On Nov 15, 2017 9:17 PM, "Jason McKemie" 
> wrote:
>
> I love choriqueso, I assume this is similar?
>
>
> On Wednesday, November 15, 2017, Jaime Solorza 
> wrote:
>
>> Wife took me out for my bday ...queso Fundido con chorizo, arrachera
>> steak and Tecate
>>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Good old American Capitalism

[Lewis Bergman]

It just strikes me that the pictures of this quantum computer look as
different from today's computers as the computers from 50 years ago look
different from today's computers. 50 years from now I assume our grand kids
will be walking around with quantum computers on their wrists or embedded
someplace whining about how long it takes to solve some mystery we can't
even think about at the moment. "I just got my new Centillion bit watch
today. That old Vigintillion one was getting so damn slow."

On Thu, Nov 16, 2017 at 7:11 AM Steve Jones 
wrote:

> If no one of merit is breaking encryption, the technology will stagnate
> and undiscovered vulnerabilties would be exploited by malicious actors.
>
> On Nov 15, 2017 11:53 PM, "Rory Conaway"  wrote:
>
>> The goal for governments to have this computer is to destroy encryption.
>> That's why China just announced they are spending $10B to build one.  The
>> goal of IBM is to sell the patent rights.  They need a big win and this may
>> be it.
>>
>> Rory
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Bill Prince
>> Sent: Wednesday, November 15, 2017 11:59 AM
>> To: af@afmug.com
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Good old American Capitalism
>>
>> How do we know it already is or is not?
>>
>> bp
>> 
>>
>> On 11/15/2017 10:48 AM, Dave wrote:
>> > too much power for the govment they wouldnt know what to do with it..
>> > in fact A.I. may run the govment for them LOL
>>
>>

[AFMUG] New mirror reflects light differently than conventional mirrors

[Jaime Solorza]

While enjoying your coffee

https://m.phys.org/news/2017-11-mirror-differently-conventional-mirrors.html?google_editors_picks=true

Re: [AFMUG] fiber training

[Louis Arsenault]

I went through the 4 day training course
a couple years ago with them. I found it good. I have referenced the binder
of Fiber information several times.
They did hands on mechanical, and electrical fiber splicing and OTDR info.
All basics but it is good to know the basics from a professional.
Our teacher was an older fella who had been doing fiber since ATT first
started putting it in. It was a good atmosphere to ask questions and learn
some real world things to watch out for.

We also did put ends on fiber and and hand polished them plus loss testing
to see how we did.

I thought it was worth the money.
I also paid the extra to take the ETA FOI exam which I passed and they give
you a card showing you have some idea what you are doing. ;)
-Louis

On Wed, Nov 15, 2017 at 3:15 PM, Steve Jones 
wrote:

> anybody know what is about these guys?
> the name came up in a facebook group, so that already makes them suspect
> to me, but the do appear to have a pretty good listing of training
> https://www.lightbrigade.com/Home.aspx
>



-- 
-Louis

NTInet
O: 803-533-1660 X 207
C: 803-997-0004

Re: [AFMUG] Good old American Capitalism

[Steve Jones]

If no one of merit is breaking encryption, the technology will stagnate and
undiscovered vulnerabilties would be exploited by malicious actors.

On Nov 15, 2017 11:53 PM, "Rory Conaway"  wrote:

> The goal for governments to have this computer is to destroy encryption.
> That's why China just announced they are spending $10B to build one.  The
> goal of IBM is to sell the patent rights.  They need a big win and this may
> be it.
>
> Rory
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Bill Prince
> Sent: Wednesday, November 15, 2017 11:59 AM
> To: af@afmug.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Good old American Capitalism
>
> How do we know it already is or is not?
>
> bp
> 
>
> On 11/15/2017 10:48 AM, Dave wrote:
> > too much power for the govment they wouldnt know what to do with it..
> > in fact A.I. may run the govment for them LOL
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Layer3 TV

[Mike Hammett]

I saw articles about it a while back and have been seeing Facebook 
advertisements for it, but haven't really looked into it. 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 




- Original Message -

From: "Nate Burke"  
To: "Animal Farm"  
Sent: Wednesday, November 15, 2017 10:28:58 PM 
Subject: [AFMUG] Layer3 TV 

I was driving around today (Chicagoland) and saw a billboard for Layer3 
TV. It looks like an OTT TV service, complete with Set-top boxes and 
DVR's all connected to your existing coax plant via MOCA. Their website 
is quite light on technical details. Has anyone looked into them 
further? They say that I can get it at my address, and they'll happily 
take my money and setup an installation time, but nowhere does it list 
minimum BW requirements or the like. 

I found a newspaper article from a few months ago where it talked about 
being only available for Comcast Customers, but RCN (another cable 
company) may be allowed soon. 

Re: [AFMUG] The Dude OID

[Adam Moffett]

It does work, but documentation is weak.  Below is a working data source 
for a Trango RSSI.  I made this work by copying the syntax of someone 
else's working example.  If I open the settings for the device I can see 
interfaces, arp, and cpu under the SNMP tab.  I didn't know there was a 
built in tool for an SNMP walk, so I can't comment on whether that works 
for me.



-- Original Message --
From: "Jason McKemie" 
To: "af@afmug.com" 
Sent: 11/16/2017 4:01:09 AM
Subject: [AFMUG] The Dude OID

I'm trying to graph an OID for a SIAE radio in the dude.  I've got the 
correct OID value as well as correct community strings, etc.  I can use 
another program and walk the OID, which returns the value I am looking 
for.  However, the dude returns absolutely nothing when I try walking 
the OID from the built-in utility.


Any ideas what I'm missing here?  Or is the dude just garbage?

[AFMUG] The Dude OID

[Jason McKemie]

I'm trying to graph an OID for a SIAE radio in the dude.  I've got the
correct OID value as well as correct community strings, etc.  I can use
another program and walk the OID, which returns the value I am looking
for.  However, the dude returns absolutely nothing when I try walking the
OID from the built-in utility.

Any ideas what I'm missing here?  Or is the dude just garbage?