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Message-ID:
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On 1/2/15 13:35, Paul McCall wrote:
Seth, is it /possible/ that that is an issue with his client that would
cause that result?
How does the rest of the thread look?
I don't think it's him, threading is still broken since the Message-ID,
References, and In-Reply-To headers are still coming
On 2/2/15 11:44, Keefe John wrote:
Yes that would be a shame. I don't think Ubiquiti put in comments in
support of the 10 ghz petition so a 10 ghz product would be surprising.
I wouldn't be surprised; it says global wisp industry in the email and
plenty of other countries can use 10GHz
On 2/2/15 12:04, Kurt Fankhauser wrote:
Can a Ham radio operator use 10ghz today?
Yep, for noncommercial use.
~Seth
On 2/2/15 6:40 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:
Email is hard
It's not technically hard. But email needs a lot of babysitting now.
It's a burden to deal with the moving target of spam, scams, phishing,
and viruses. Add to that users complaining about too much spam, false
positives, deleted an email
On 1/15/15 7:25 AM, That One Guy wrote:
Excluding license fees, high quality unlicensed radios are at or higher
than the cost of licensed radios. Granted this is my limited experience
with one link and five vendors vetted. The trade off in path profile
validity with no interference has an
On 1/15/15 9:52, Mike Hammett wrote:
Without shooting the offending equipment, there's not much you can do
other than call the FCC.
One of them was Towerstream. I would have thought they'd know better but
I was incorrect. I'd noticed someone hanging a 2' antenna few weeks
before they called
On 1/15/15 9:12, Josh Reynolds wrote:
This email has more angst than my 15 year old at 8am on a Saturday.
On January 15, 2015 8:09:07 AM AKST, Seth Mattinen se...@rollernet.us
I can give you the contact of a licensee that's having the problem I
described on a smaller scale if you think you
On 1/15/15 9:36, Seth Mattinen wrote:
On 1/15/15 9:12, Josh Reynolds wrote:
This email has more angst than my 15 year old at 8am on a Saturday.
On January 15, 2015 8:09:07 AM AKST, Seth Mattinen se...@rollernet.us
I can give you the contact of a licensee that's having the problem I
On 1/14/15 16:16, Bill Prince wrote:
OK. I think I get it!
But I would still call it (2x2) + (2x2).
I call MIMO and 4x4 crap when referring to licensed gear.
For licensed stuff just say how many channels need to be licensed.
Channel size and modulation gives me capacity. No smoke or
On 1/14/15 15:39, Ken Hohhof wrote:
Didn't you have a chart? Was it on coffee mugs or t shirts or
something, or were those requests from the peanut gallery?
Somehow there's a chart for that doesn't have the same zing as
there's an app for that.
I remember seeing a chart, but I didn't save
On 1/15/15 11:02, Josh Reynolds wrote:
I don't understand how an 18GHz path has anything to do with Ubiquiti
here, since the closest product they make to that band is on 24GHz.
Ifyour problem is with ignorant operators, or just plain stupid
operators, say so.
If your problem is with Ubiquiti,
On 1/16/15 11:12, Josh Luthman wrote:
It's just a factor. What other options can do 80 MHz? Can they do 1024
QAM? I'd bet 60 MHz * 1024qam is pretty close to 80 MHz * 256qam.
Yeah, probably only a 30 meg raw capacity difference.
~Seth
On 1/21/15 9:53, Tyler Treat wrote:
haha you took your business rant to facebook?
LIKE OMG GESS WAAT??!?!?!?!
Internet argument!
On 1/21/15 12:12, Mike Hammett wrote:
Yes, run the UniFi Controller at the colo. From there you can control
every UniFi you place everywhere.
It pulls statistics, handles upgrades, well, everything a controller is
supposed to do.
It doesn't have to be in a VPN, but that's what I do.
Don't
On 1/21/15 18:07, Rory Conaway wrote:
I think we need to tell every single customer why the rates went up.
There is another election in 2 years.
Your rates aren't going up. The explanation to the customer is simple:
the total bill is higher because the government added a new tax. The
On 1/14/15 8:46 PM, Erich Kaiser wrote:
From my experience the price has not changed very much. Someone needs
to take the reigns on the market. Even with certain companies throwing
you a promo price, if you really look at it fully loaded, the price is
still high for what you get.
The
On 1/14/15 6:18 AM, Daniel White wrote:
SAF has a good whitepaper on LAG and how it applies to each platform
(currently being updated for Integra) – and certainly for instance our
Lumina platform could only look at MAC addresses. Integra looks at the
packet – just like better switches do.
I
On 1/22/15 13:27, Dan Petermann wrote:
Does anyone know what radios clearwire uses(d)?
All the stuff at a site I'm on that also has Clearwire on it is Redline
and Dragonwave.
~Seth
On 1/22/15 15:28, Bill Prince wrote:
Yep. Note the Transamerica tower in the background (tall pyramid
building). Only building like that on the planet.
And Alcatraz and the Golden Gate Bridge.
~Seth
On 1/22/15 8:46, Gino Villarini wrote:
The guy is cooking his �.
From article:
http://www.siklu.com/isps/one-urban-isp-chose-siklu-mmw-connectivity/
At least the Freemile is low power.
~Seth
On 2/11/15 9:20, Brett A Mansfield wrote:
It may be legal, but why should I be required to provide someone access to a
paid service without getting anything from it?
The customer pays you for internet access, right? That's what you get
from it.
~Seth
On 2/16/15 8:00, Ken Hohhof wrote:
Is this a common problem and is it just that the phones are downloading
so many gigabytes that you need a superfast Internet connection for it
to finish within a reasonable time?
Yes they'll download gigs upon gigs when with iCloud for backup/restore.
On 1/30/15 11:39, Tyson Burris @ Internet Communications Inc wrote:
1.Is the 25Mbps classification immediate?
2.What are you NOW going to call your previously determined �broadband�
service?
Internet access
High speed internet
Turbo speed internets
Faster than the other guy's internet
On 1/31/15 11:11, Tyler Treat wrote:
As someone who's never been to AF, I've heard you guys talk about
Rodizio before- what is it?
There's a Golden Corral down the road from my office. I don't feel like
I get my money's worth on lunch there anymore. It all sorta tastes the
same
Every
On 1/31/15 11:28, Chuck McCown wrote:
I am misunderstanding something here.
When I lived in Nevada, the grocery stores had alcohol and slots.
-Original Message- From: Seth Mattinen Sent: Saturday, January
31, 2015 12:25 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] rodizio
On 1/31/15 11:11
On 1/31/15 15:28, Glen Waldrop wrote:
Those that put up the towers for TV are used to having to work for
something. A huge number of the first time home owners now expect people
to do everything for free to get them as a customer.
Oh definitely. They're doing you a favor by letting you
On 2/1/15 1:44 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:
Doesn't it have a main engine thrust greater than Saturn V? (Saturn V
used 5 of them didn't it)?
Saturn V was 7.6 million pounds thrust first stage. The Rocketdyne F-1
was huge. Everything I see about the Falcon Heavy says 3.9 or 3.8
million pounds.
On 1/28/15 9:32, Nate Burke wrote:
Customer: I can't send email, the server keeps sending me back errors,
it's been happening now for a few days.
Me: So you're getting an error message back?
Customer: Yes, it's telling me that the domain is not found.
Me: Did you spell the domain name right?
On 1/8/15 15:29, Tyler Treat wrote:
I guess I've never seen a tamper resistant outlet? What's different?
There's a plastic shutter inside that's supposed to make it harder to
lick it.
~Seth
On 2/14/15 10:39, Mike Hammett wrote:
I am looking for recommendations on a 100kw (or thereabouts), 3 phase
240v (yes, not 208) autostarting generator. Bonus points if it auto
tests and is IP accessible as well.
Anything with a reconnectable alternator should be able to do 139/240 or
On 2/13/15 11:46, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
I am doing this universal pipe mount that will allow a larger dish on a
Rohn type or crappy sheet metal freestanding type.
And doing the larger version of the M-TOW-P
The question is, what size pipe?
I had initially designed it with 3 inch pipe which is
On 1/6/15 19:58, Adam Moffett wrote:
What's wrong? You don't like prying the batteries out of the APC with a
tire iron?
man up dude :)
The latest gen of SmartUPS finally added t-comp charging.
~Seth
On 3/17/15 8:45 PM, Kurt Fankhauser wrote:
Even if its just for read only access?
Don't be part of the problem:
http://www.prolexic.com/kcresources/prolexic-threat-advisories/prolexic-ddos-threat-advisory-snmp-reflector/TA-SNMP-Reflection-A4-052014.pdf
~Seth
On 3/21/15 7:38 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
I think probably yes, but as not routable beyond your network. It’s
space that should never exist in customer networks or the public
Internet. And since it’s not publicly routable, I can use it, you can
use it, Comcast and Verizon can use it over and over.
On 3/17/15 10:37, Travis Johnson wrote:
Installing a J-mount (drilling holes in a roof) and cable penetration
(drilling a hole in the side of the house) is DEFINITELY damage to the
property. Any warranty on the roof becomes null and void unless a
certified roofer does the work and certifies the
On 3/21/15 8:56, Josh Luthman wrote:
Too new. Electric. The model S isn't even 5 years old, is it? Vehicle
life span needs to be 5-10 in excellent condition. BMW has hit that 5
year mark (granted...barely) for some time.
Model S came out in 2012.
~Seth
On 3/21/15 10:18, Chuck McCown wrote:
I am waiting for the model 3 before I will consider switching to Tesla.
Then they will have three to pick from S3X
They wanted to call the new one the E model. Not sure who shot it down
but someone did.
Oh I'd take a Model S in a heartbeat. But I
On 3/21/15 10:31, Bill Prince wrote:
I personally think it's just a bit too soon to buy an electric car. In
the next couple of years I expect some major movement in battery
technology.
Wasn't it Tesla talking about metal-air batteries that could get the
range up to 400 miles?
~Seth
On 3/21/15 17:26, Darin Steffl wrote:
You are not assigned a Public IP on any cellular carriers anymore. They
user carrier grade NAT. In some cases, you can pay for a Static IP to
get around the NAT.
But the IPv6 address is public and last time I checked, unfiltered.
~Seth
On 3/19/15 12:28, Josh Luthman wrote:
It's a wall plate..?
I think the target market is RV's.
~Seth
On 3/17/15 9:11, Travis Johnson wrote:
I would talk to the tenant and try and resolve things, but the ISP is
who did the actual damage to the property, without permission. Yes, they
assumed they had permission, but without a signed contract from the
legal owner of the property, the ISP does not
On 3/10/15 18:17, Mike Hammett wrote:
Who didn't already know this was public?
I didn't. Since those public archives only go back to September 2014 I'd
say that's a relatively recent thing. I guess it's a feature of the new
and improved list so everyone watch what you say.
Actually I'd
On 3/28/15 11:28, Chuck McCown wrote:
Don't count on non cisco branded SFP to be able to give you all the data
metrics like RX power TX power etc. Cisco gear knows when it is not
talking to its own stuff and will refuse to give you full features.
I'm just referring to the CWDM mux. As long
On 3/3/15 12:03, Josh Luthman wrote:
But has the interface changed?
Yeah, it's been like 7 years.
~Seth
On 3/27/15 6:13 PM, Tyler Treat wrote:
Hey folks. Another department has a Cisco CWDM-mux-8 running on a link out to
a secondary site.
What do we need to utilize this for our own link - will any SFP be able to
transmit through it and come out the other end appropriately?
No, you need CWDM
On 1/29/15 5:37 PM, Paul McCall wrote:
I emailed Sterling off-list with details. The concise answer here
(cough, cough) is that it does take a lot to get things setup on
Amazon. Their ecosphere is complex and requires an investment of time
and commitment to see it through and get past the
On 3/23/15 14:29, Eric Rogers wrote:
DO NOT DO THIS!!! You have a tensioned wire, say thousands of pounds…
and you heat it to molten state to “weld” the bonding wire to it… You
effectively cut the wire and down the tower goes.
If anyone decides to weld on a guy wire under tension please
I could use this in the very near future.
~Seth
Speaking of media converters, has anyone used the Mikrotik RBFTC11 yet?
It appears dead simple: copper GigE (passive POE or 802.3af/at) to SFP
with no config.
~Seth
On 4/28/15 5:57 PM, Colin Stanners wrote:
I heard the first generation ubnt toughcable had about that failure rate?
The lesson is if the product is named tough it will be exactly the
opposite.
~Seth
On 4/28/15 14:38, Josh Luthman wrote:
The CFIP Lumina accepts both polarities from what I'm told. I have only
ever done it one way.
Page 120 in the manual.
~Seth
On 4/27/15 15:26, Jaime Solorza wrote:
What's up hepcats? Can someone please point to an affordable (under
$2000.00) thermal camera to be set up on a barricade system that comes
from ground level to stop a car. Most I haves seen are overkill and in
the 5 to 20 k range.
Like a surveillance
On 4/30/15 13:57, Sean Heskett wrote:
so now we reimburse the employees that use their phone for their job
function. i think we do $60/mo. that way they can get whatever phone
they want and data plan etc. and i don't have to deal with i broke my
screen...can i get a new phone now? they just
On 5/1/15 10:38, Bill Prince wrote:
I would want to run it DC, but it ain't bad. We're paying in the
neighborhood of $1500 for about 5KWh with SLA batteries, so this would
be a serious consideration.
Actually it is DC, says inverter not included.
~Seth
On 4/28/15 9:21, Ken Hohhof wrote:
I also find it interesting that this generator has a 12VDC output, which
I usually associate with inverter style generators.
Those little pick-up portable Coleman Powermate generators had 12V
outputs since a long time ago.
~Seth
On 4/28/15 8:40, Ty Featherling wrote:
Is there any concern about sine vs square wave output on something like
this? I want to get one but don't want to run into a gotcha I am
unfamiliar with.
It looks like an alternator. Is it even possible for a rotating
alternator to output a square
On 5/6/15 7:32 AM, Chuck McCown wrote:
Earth ground circuits are also important to allow circuit breakers to
trip as soon as a fault happens. Again, low impedance ground circuits
help with that. I would drive ground rods. But I would also make sure
that the neutral bars are floating and not
On 5/7/15 9:49 PM, Jeremy wrote:
Just tell him that your Internet will energize his seventh chakra,
thereby counteracting the retrograde of mercury. Also, it will make his
aura glow light blue. Not blues screen of death bluedon't get those
confused.
Sounds like Cherenkov radiation to
On 5/3/15 11:55, George Skorup (Cyber Broadcasting) wrote:
Hey, stop pickin on me! Screw you guys I'm going.. wait, I'm already home.
On 5/3/2015 11:02 AM, Seth Mattinen wrote:
On 5/3/15 8:27 AM, Bill Prince wrote:
DC dude. DC.
Or at least don't pick the lowest quality AC UPS money can buy
On 5/3/15 8:27 AM, Bill Prince wrote:
DC dude. DC.
Or at least don't pick the lowest quality AC UPS money can buy. APC
hasn't exactly been known for quality in a while now.
~Seth
On 5/7/15 10:16, Nate Burke wrote:
I'm not sure. He want's the Internet, but was very matter of Fact that
it can't be done until Mercury is out of Retrograde. Not sure what he
does during that time. He can't watch netflix, because he doesn't have
internet yet
It's probably too
On 4/14/15 8:46, Bill Prince wrote:
That's what we did. Got him on the phone blocked the traffic. His
security system went nuts. Wonder what's so important to need to send
that quantity of data for a security system?
Video capability?
~Seth
On 4/18/15 2:49 PM, Peter Kranz wrote:
Very interesting shootout comparing AF5X, AC-Lite, AC PTP, EPMP-1000,
B5c and RB922
https://community.ubnt.com/t5/airMAX-Stories/Radio-Shootout-Pt-2-let-s-try-a-whole-bunch-of-them/cns-p/1232309
Dude didn't seem to catch that the ePMP is an N radio and
On 4/18/15 3:34 PM, Josh Reynolds wrote:
Horseshit, read the article. Did you miss the portion where Jim said
it's the exact same chip that's in the RM5?
I would have liked to have seen the RM5 in this test as a baseline, but
ignoring the results simply because it's N tech in the EPMP is silly.
On 4/7/15 5:43 PM, e...@kuhnke-international.com wrote:
Ben, Chuck, do you guys have a numeric snmpwalk of an af5x live link you
could copy and paste to the list? I'd like to see what OIDs it exposes
and their values.
If you have a text file describing what each OID is, that would be great
too.
On 4/2/15 7:34 AM, Josh Luthman wrote:
Not trying to hide anything, it's pretty clear to everyone this has
taken longer than we expected.
We hit a few unrelated compliance challenges
That's the thing. It's always some obscure non answer answer. Like a
politician.
And yet other vendors
On 6/8/15 14:57, Adam Moffett wrote:
I'm at a site where two towers are about 250' apart. There's a 2
conduit between the two towers, with nothing in it but a fiber optic
cable. My tower does not have a generator, but the other one does. The
guy at the other tower offered to let me run
On 6/2/15 15:41, Ken Hohhof wrote:
Just make sure it isn’t a faux parapet, just for show or to hide the
ugly stuff on the roof.
Attaching part of a 6' antenna to it will surely give you that answer, too.
~Seth
On 6/2/15 14:32, Nate Burke wrote:
I have a customer complaining about barracuda rejecting emails he is
sending because of a 'reputation' problem. But the IP Address they
reference is the end user's IP, not the server IP. Shouldn't the
reputation be based on the Mail server, not where the
On 6/24/15 6:41 AM, joseph marsh wrote:
I have spoken to them and they are carrier neutral just wondering about
attaching a ptp radio in top of building to.
Why not ask them?
~Seth
On 6/18/15 9:17, Tim Reichhart wrote:
Hey guys
Frontier as given me an 172.76.3.xx public static IP and I just want to
know if this actually an real IP or just an internal IP? Because the
person I am working with from frontier saying its an public static IP.
Because I though 172.x space is for
On 6/11/15 11:23, Lewis Bergman wrote:
I thought 10GHz was an MSA type license that has to be paid for.
No, it's for hams in FCC land.
~Seth
On 6/16/15 14:29, Randy Cosby wrote:
We're looking to build a tower that is near an existing Crown Castle
(formerly ATT) tower. The landlord, a city, has a contract with Crown
Castle that states in part:
/Landlord agrees not to sell, lease or use any areas of the Property
or immediately
On 6/13/15 15:49, Sean Heskett wrote:
Why on earth would you use a Cisco anything when they hate WISPs
We have completely removed all Cisco from our network
Because Cisco is not one big company, it only appears that way.
~Seth
On 6/13/15 10:12, Colin Stanners wrote:
As long as tangible goods and services are still being created/offered,
by humans, in the place they live.
http://www.omgfacts.com/lists/10051/Panasonic-has-a-factory-staffed-with-only-15-people-that-can-make-2-million-plasma-displays-per-month-ab637-1
On 6/1/15 8:32, Mike Hammett wrote:
We are up to about 2.3M IPs either advertised today or are in process of
getting hooked up on our Indy IX and looking to branch out soon.
That kind of marketing speak makes me sad as a networking guy.
~Seth
On 6/1/15 8:50, Mike Hammett wrote:
Okay, there are over 2.1M on, but more on the way.
How about this?
A total of one /11, one /15, one /16, one /20, one /21, one /23, one
/24, one /27, one /28, one /29 and one /32 are currently represented on
our Indianapolis fabric. That's 2,300,729 IPs.
On 6/1/15 8:50, Mike Hammett wrote:
No, but you are responsible to ensure that you purchase connectivity
from people that don't suck.
I have. How do I ensure other companies don't have connectivity
problems? That their cloud hosted app doesn't have an outage? Oh wait
the cloud never fails,
On 6/1/15 8:33, Mike Hammett wrote:
I think most people's problems with speedtests are due to the quality of
the network they are providing. A shitty speedtest usually means the
user's experience is shit as well.
No, they will often try to find a shitty speedtest server and use that
to
On 6/1/15 8:41, Mike Hammett wrote:
Your responsibility is also to provide quality Internet service, the
whole Internet. Your choices up upstreams, peers, etc. affect the
quality of the product you deliver. It's not just hands-off once the
packet leaves your upstream port.
That's an
On 6/1/15 12:00, Paul Stewart wrote:
Ah ok … yeah thanks … I wasn’t sure myself J
As long as people are realistic when buying things like transit across a
peering fabric then my personal opinion is to go ahead….
I'd expect that's where a Private VLAN would come into play. It's still
pure
On 7/3/15 8:03 AM, Adam Moffett wrote:
That was my first thought. You won't get the extended operating
temperature on a media converter for as cheap as the 260GS.
Isn't RBFTC11 cheaper? No management though, just a raw gigabit converter.
~Seth
On 6/30/15 9:28 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:
Doesn't Ford and Daimler have a /8?
The DoD has something like 12 of the /8's alone.
~Seth
On 8/12/15 7:08 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
My view would be if someone is filtering legitimate /24 routes, they
have serious problems they need to fix. At one time maybe a small
provider could plead old hardware with insufficient CAM memory to hold
full BGP routes, but if they haven’t fixed it by
On 8/17/15 11:07, Chuck McCown wrote:
Crossbow or long bow arrow pulling fishing line could mess them up.
Release some barrage balloons.
~Seth
On 8/19/15 10:51, Ken Hohhof wrote:
So I was just wondering if the medium blow fuses had their place. Some
distributors like Allied don’t even have them in their catalog, so I
guess they are a rare bird.
Allied has them; Buss GMC series.
On 8/21/15 16:34, Glen Waldrop wrote:
Roku, like Goku, only not as powerful or Japanese.
Power level under 9000.
~Seth
On 6/30/15 8:03, Rory McCann wrote:
I fully expect them to ruin it by raising the rates to a more cisco.
I'm very disappointed in this news. Their Umbrella platform is a great
product and was reasonably priced.
But isn't this the whole point of a lot of these things, become popular
so a large
On 7/31/15 06:24, Josh Luthman wrote:
http://imgur.com/4p8p45o
Good to see all of the BTTF references were covered.
~Seth
On 7/31/15 12:57, Jaime Solorza wrote:
And ? I must have missed something
Sprint LTE may suck less than pre-LTE Sprint, which was totally unusable
for me to the point where I was carrying a Verizon wifi thing in my
pocket to get mobile data capability.
~Seth
On 8/11/15 08:36, Josh Luthman wrote:
So you spent 10k on panels? What about batteries?
If you're net metering you wouldn't want to waste it charging batteries.
~Seth
On 8/4/15 14:20, Josh Luthman wrote:
Why are they unplugging the AP?
To make you pay attention to them.
~Seth
On 8/8/15 11:51 PM, Brett A Mansfield wrote:
I think Netonix is way over priced, and it's not yet proven. Still, I
just ordered a couple and I'm excited to give them a test run. I'm also
interested to see what they have coming for the tower switch advertised
on their website.
If you're happy
On 8/10/15 16:31, Josh Luthman wrote:
RIP 2 GHZ band. Thanks to Ubnt we have kids putting up 50 MHz backhauls
because it penetrates better.
And 3GHz users. Will Telrad have enough magic to overcome a cheap UBNT
noise generator?
~Seth
On 7/23/15 06:13, Mike Hammett wrote:
Cisco hates WISPs and there are multiple vendors of higher end gear that
haven't gone out of their way to crap on us. Juniper, AlcaLuKia,
Brocade, etc.
I recently got a nice Nexus 3548P-10G with licenses donated from Cisco
for an IX that supports
On 7/23/15 08:50, Mike Hammett wrote:
It's the same guy at the top. If he can't keep their divisions nice,
then your dollars go elsewhere.
Were the 3ks the one that supported S-Flow for IXP Manager?
Tahoe_IX, right?
Yep. I haven't deployed it yet, it's sitting in the to be worked on
never
On 7/14/15 7:52, Sean Heskett wrote:
For us that is a safety issue and if the guy doing the work feels like
it's an unsafe condition then the work stops. Same as if it's too windy
to climb a tower or too cold in the winter.
My guys aren't wimps tho and they'll usually keep going past when I
On 7/15/15 12:27, James Howard wrote:
So you�re telling us that aside from being obsessive they also like
REALLY expensive roofs?
I get that the attraction is you can have water pond in them and it
won't leak, but they are really fragile for the price. I frequently see
them riddled with
On 7/12/15 19:26, Ken Hohhof wrote:
Well, look at airline tickets. They raced to the bottom and didn’t like
it there.
Maybe it will eventually implode from being too cheap. I would expect
some monetary amount has to be paid for transit.
~Seth
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