Re: [AFMUG] DC Power Site

2017-03-20 Thread Chuck McCown
need is a power supply that can be adjusted to your float voltage, then you wire the batteries and load in parallel. -- Original Message -- From: "Chuck McCown" <ch...@wbmfg.com> To: af@afmug.com Sent: 3/20/2017 1:20:49 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] DC Power Site

Re: [AFMUG] DC Power Site

2017-03-20 Thread George Skorup
/2017 1:20:49 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] DC Power Site You don’t need two power supplies. Just pick the power supply that has enough current to both power the radios and supply a healthy recharge current right after a power outage to the radios. *From:* Darin Steffl *Sent:* Monday, March 20, 2017 11:1

Re: [AFMUG] DC Power Site

2017-03-20 Thread Bill Prince
ct: Re: [AFMUG] DC Power Site That's what I'm talking about, except we like twice the off grid capacity... When the shit hits the fan, don't like to be adding recharging duty to the recovery cycle... So we look for 24V PS's that can do at least 28 amps... On 3/20/17 8:08 AM, Chuck McCown wrote: Y

Re: [AFMUG] DC Power Site

2017-03-20 Thread Chuck McCown
Many batts don't want you to exceed C/10 or a 10 hour charge. But that varies by chemistry and manufacturer. Always a good thing to check at design time. -Original Message- From: Robert Sent: Monday, March 20, 2017 12:20 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] DC Power Site

Re: [AFMUG] DC Power Site

2017-03-20 Thread Robert
ug.com> Sent: 3/20/2017 1:32:33 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] DC Power Site The issues is not current as much a voltage headroom. If you are running a 12 volt system which quickly drops to 12 volts when the power quits, and your radios quit working at 11 volts, you will not have as much time as i

Re: [AFMUG] DC Power Site

2017-03-20 Thread Josh Luthman
Personally I do a 24v site. Two 12v 12a batteries. Using WS-12-250-DC. The Netonix will actually convert from 24v to ~50v inside and then deliver 24v and 48v from that. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Mon, Mar 20, 2017 at 1:11

Re: [AFMUG] DC Power Site

2017-03-20 Thread Chuck McCown
@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] DC Power Site And those batteries would be toast at 11V... But more importantly pick a charger that will recharge your batteries in a reasonable time when power returns. More than once we have seen power problems return in bad weather and if your system takes two weeks

Re: [AFMUG] DC Power Site

2017-03-20 Thread Robert
:af@afmug.com> Sent: 3/20/2017 1:32:33 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] DC Power Site The issues is not current as much a voltage headroom. If you are running a 12 volt system which quickly drops to 12 volts when the power quits, and your radios quit working at 11 volts, you will not have as much time as i

Re: [AFMUG] DC Power Site

2017-03-20 Thread Bill Prince
As stated before, don't skimp on voltage. Lower voltage setups will increase the current required for a given wattage proportionally. Lower volts means you need bigger wires, and the drain on the batteries goes up as well. Your 70 watts is almost 6 amps at 12 volts, but only 3 amps at 24

Re: [AFMUG] DC Power Site

2017-03-20 Thread Jaime Solorza
hen switch. Come back the next day. > > *From:* Adam Moffett > *Sent:* Monday, March 20, 2017 11:40 AM > *To:* af@afmug.com > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] DC Power Site > > I've never actually set up a 12V site because there always seemed to end > up being other practical

Re: [AFMUG] DC Power Site

2017-03-20 Thread Chuck McCown
You can still do that. Just charge one 12 batt at a time. Probably fully charge one in a half hour then switch. Come back the next day. From: Adam Moffett Sent: Monday, March 20, 2017 11:40 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] DC Power Site I've never actually set up a 12V site

Re: [AFMUG] DC Power Site

2017-03-20 Thread Adam Moffett
idle for a couple of days on a full tank of gas. -- Original Message -- From: "Chuck McCown" <ch...@wbmfg.com> To: af@afmug.com Sent: 3/20/2017 1:35:42 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] DC Power Site And unless you have 12 volt only loads, the cost is about the same for

Re: [AFMUG] DC Power Site

2017-03-20 Thread Chuck McCown
And unless you have 12 volt only loads, the cost is about the same for a 24 volt site. From: Justin Wilson Sent: Monday, March 20, 2017 11:33 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] DC Power Site Our site was a backhaul, an rb750, and an Omni. We had tons of issues with it until we

Re: [AFMUG] DC Power Site

2017-03-20 Thread Adam Moffett
Good point. -- Original Message -- From: "Chuck McCown" <ch...@wbmfg.com> To: af@afmug.com Sent: 3/20/2017 1:32:33 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] DC Power Site The issues is not current as much a voltage headroom. If you are running a 12 volt system which quickly drops

Re: [AFMUG] DC Power Site

2017-03-20 Thread Adam Moffett
om" <af@afmug.com> Cc: "memb...@wispa.org" <memb...@wispa.org> Sent: 3/20/2017 1:25:29 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] DC Power Site Justin, Our planned load for this site is only 70 watts for two backhauls, an omni, and netonix. This should be well within range of the 155 watt p

Re: [AFMUG] DC Power Site

2017-03-20 Thread Justin Wilson
Our site was a backhaul, an rb750, and an Omni. We had tons of issues with it until we upgraded to 24volt. Under load it would draw more amperage and things would suffer. Had another similar site and it’s issues went away after an upgrade to 24 volt. Justin Wilson j...@mtin.net ---

Re: [AFMUG] DC Power Site

2017-03-20 Thread Chuck McCown
volts. From: Adam Moffett Sent: Monday, March 20, 2017 11:25 AM To: af@afmug.com Cc: memb...@wispa.org Subject: Re: [AFMUG] DC Power Site If you had a couple of < 10 watt devices, I don't see how you'd have an issue with too much current. -- Original Message -- From: "Chuck McC

Re: [AFMUG] DC Power Site

2017-03-20 Thread Adam Moffett
If you had a couple of < 10 watt devices, I don't see how you'd have an issue with too much current. -- Original Message -- From: "Chuck McCown" <ch...@wbmfg.com> To: af@afmug.com Cc: memb...@wispa.org Sent: 3/20/2017 1:23:42 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] DC Power Site

Re: [AFMUG] DC Power Site

2017-03-20 Thread Darin Steffl
Justin, Our planned load for this site is only 70 watts for two backhauls, an omni, and netonix. This should be well within range of the 155 watt power supply, no? Our ethernet runs are also only 30 feet or less. I also don't see that the voltage is adjustable on the AD-155 though? Spec sheet

Re: [AFMUG] DC Power Site

2017-03-20 Thread Adam Moffett
cCown" <ch...@wbmfg.com> To: af@afmug.com Sent: 3/20/2017 1:20:49 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] DC Power Site You don’t need two power supplies. Just pick the power supply that has enough current to both power the radios and supply a healthy recharge current right after a power outa

Re: [AFMUG] DC Power Site

2017-03-20 Thread Chuck McCown
I would never build a 12 volt site if there was any way to avoid it. From: Justin Wilson Sent: Monday, March 20, 2017 11:21 AM To: af@afmug.com Cc: memb...@wispa.org Subject: Re: [AFMUG] DC Power Site Don’t skimp by going with the lower voltage. You will run into an amperage issues pretty

Re: [AFMUG] DC Power Site

2017-03-20 Thread Justin Wilson
Don’t skimp by going with the lower voltage. You will run into an amperage issues pretty quickly. Seen a 12-13 volt site with 1 backhaul and an omni run into amperage issues within a week. Voltage is fine, just way too much amperage. It’s not worth the headache. Justin Wilson j...@mtin.net

Re: [AFMUG] DC Power Site

2017-03-20 Thread Chuck McCown
Subject: [AFMUG] DC Power Site Hello all, We're looking to build our first DC power site for small MicroPops and I see two options after reviewing the WISPA archives. The first option would be the the SDR-240-24 and DR-UPS40 with Two 12v batteries powering a Netonix DC switch. The second option

Re: [AFMUG] DC Power Site

2017-03-20 Thread Adam Moffett
<af@afmug.com> Sent: 3/20/2017 1:11:22 PM Subject: [AFMUG] DC Power Site Hello all, We're looking to build our first DC power site for small MicroPops and I see two options after reviewing the WISPA archives. The first option would be the the SDR-240-24 and DR-UPS40 with Two 12v batteries p

[AFMUG] DC Power Site

2017-03-20 Thread Darin Steffl
Hello all, We're looking to build our first DC power site for small MicroPops and I see two options after reviewing the WISPA archives. The first option would be the the SDR-240-24 and DR-UPS40 with Two 12v batteries powering a Netonix DC switch. The second option we were looking at is just