Re: [AFMUG] Canopy POE end of life :-/
Yeah, higher voltage = lower current = less energy lost as heat
though if all your loads are 24v (Canopy, UBNT, Mikrotik) then
starting with 24 saves you a conversion.
On 6/26/2015 12:36 PM, Bill Prince wrote:
I would argue the opposite. Higher voltage means lower current which
means longer run time (generally).
bp
part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com
On 6/25/2015 9:55 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:
Plus DC sites are better in 24 than 48 volts.
Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
On Jun 26, 2015 12:49 AM, Colin Stanners cstann...@gmail.com
mailto:cstann...@gmail.com wrote:
Cambium couldn't use standard poe because when they started
development - around 2000? - such a thing didn't exist, the AF
standard came out in 2003. Also if they had used 48v the POE
injectors would cost about 3x as much.
On Jun 25, 2015 8:04 PM, Sean Heskett af...@zirkel.us
mailto:af...@zirkel.us wrote:
i'm just saying that the financial decision for carrying the
old and new poe goes deeper than how much they may or may not
be making on the poe.
cambium after all is in the business of selling light bulbs
(SMs) and if you need a special socket to use their light
bulb it might behoove them to continue selling the socket AND
the light bulb.
unfortunately this all goes back to the very beginning of not
using a standard poe product.
by the way we are not planning to move all new installs to
telrad that statement was for dramatic effect ;-)
-sean
On Thu, Jun 25, 2015 at 6:50 PM, Ken Hohhof af...@kwisp.com
mailto:af...@kwisp.com wrote:
This is sounding like Jack Nicholson trying to get his
whole wheat toast in Five Easy Pieces.
*From:* Sean Heskett mailto:af...@zirkel.us
*Sent:* Thursday, June 25, 2015 7:32 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Canopy POE end of life :-/
but if i decide to completely move all new installs to
telrad they would be very sad puppies.
just sayin
On Thu, Jun 25, 2015 at 6:26 PM, cstann...@gmail.com
mailto:cstann...@gmail.com wrote:
How much do you think they make per Canopy PSU after
the stockkeeping / freight /organizational work? $3 ?
I'm sure losing those sales won't keep them up at night.
*From: *TJ Trout t...@voltbb.com mailto:t...@voltbb.com
*Sender: *Af af-boun...@afmug.com
mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com
*Date: *Fri, 26 Jun 2015 00:12:22 +
*To: *af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com
*ReplyTo: *af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com
*Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Canopy POE end of life :-/
That will be really funny if CTI sources them and
moto looses out on a bunch of sales, lol
On Thu, Jun 25, 2015 at 5:03 PM, Colin Stanners
cstann...@gmail.com mailto:cstann...@gmail.com wrote:
With the speed keys and regional variants they
have a large amount of product stock already, I
imagine they're not trying to keep old items and
didn't see a big reason people would want the
old-style PSUs.
I thought CTI had gotten some PSUs straight from
the manufacturer years ago when there was a
Motorola shortage, you could check with them.
On Thu, Jun 25, 2015 at 6:47 PM, Sean Heskett
af...@zirkel.us mailto:af...@zirkel.us wrote:
Which is great...for you.
Why can't I have a choice? Why are they
taking it away if there is still demand? Why
won't they let us go straight to whatever
manufacturer they get them from??
On Thursday, June 25, 2015, Colin Stanners
cstann...@gmail.com
mailto:cstann...@gmail.com wrote:
I'm one of those that prefer the new PoE:
-less outlet space needed
-gigabit option (current 450 SMs can
reach 75mbit down so it's likely next
generation will hit 100+)
-can choose whatever cable length is
needed to go to PC/router.
-won't have the broken RJ tab / wires
pulling out of the RJ due to cable weight
Re: [AFMUG] Canopy POE end of life :-/
The choice between 24 and 48 was likely more a component cost issue. The
higher voltage components on the POE are more expensive than lower voltage /
higher current. The original power supplies for Canopy were linear supplies.
Less of an issue now that the components for switching power supplies have
dropped in price so much that linear supplies are more expensive that switchers.
Mark
On Jun 26, 2015, at 12:45 PM, Adam Moffett dmmoff...@gmail.com wrote:
Yeah, higher voltage = lower current = less energy lost as heat
though if all your loads are 24v (Canopy, UBNT, Mikrotik) then starting
with 24 saves you a conversion.
On 6/26/2015 12:36 PM, Bill Prince wrote:
I would argue the opposite. Higher voltage means lower current which means
longer run time (generally).
bp
part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com
On 6/25/2015 9:55 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:
Plus DC sites are better in 24 than 48 volts.
Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
On Jun 26, 2015 12:49 AM, Colin Stanners cstann...@gmail.com
mailto:cstann...@gmail.com wrote:
Cambium couldn't use standard poe because when they started development -
around 2000? - such a thing didn't exist, the AF standard came out in 2003.
Also if they had used 48v the POE injectors would cost about 3x as much.
On Jun 25, 2015 8:04 PM, Sean Heskett af...@zirkel.us
mailto:af...@zirkel.us wrote:
i'm just saying that the financial decision for carrying the old and new
poe goes deeper than how much they may or may not be making on the poe.
cambium after all is in the business of selling light bulbs (SMs) and if
you need a special socket to use their light bulb it might behoove them to
continue selling the socket AND the light bulb.
unfortunately this all goes back to the very beginning of not using a
standard poe product.
by the way we are not planning to move all new installs to telrad that
statement was for dramatic effect ;-)
-sean
On Thu, Jun 25, 2015 at 6:50 PM, Ken Hohhof
mailto:af...@kwisp.comaf...@kwisp.com mailto:af...@kwisp.com wrote:
This is sounding like Jack Nicholson trying to get his whole wheat toast in
Five Easy Pieces.
From: Sean Heskett mailto:af...@zirkel.us
Sent: Thursday, June 25, 2015 7:32 PM
To: mailto:af@afmug.comaf@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Canopy POE end of life :-/
but if i decide to completely move all new installs to telrad they would be
very sad puppies.
just sayin
On Thu, Jun 25, 2015 at 6:26 PM,
mailto:cstann...@gmail.comcstann...@gmail.com
mailto:cstann...@gmail.com wrote:
How much do you think they make per Canopy PSU after the stockkeeping /
freight /organizational work? $3 ? I'm sure losing those sales won't keep
them up at night.
From: TJ Trout mailto:t...@voltbb.comt...@voltbb.com
mailto:t...@voltbb.com
Sender: Af mailto:af-boun...@afmug.comaf-boun...@afmug.com
mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com
Date: Fri, 26 Jun 2015 00:12:22 +
To: mailto:af@afmug.comaf@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com
ReplyTo: mailto:af@afmug.comaf@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Canopy POE end of life :-/
That will be really funny if CTI sources them and moto looses out on a
bunch of sales, lol
On Thu, Jun 25, 2015 at 5:03 PM, Colin Stanners
mailto:cstann...@gmail.comcstann...@gmail.com
mailto:cstann...@gmail.com wrote:
With the speed keys and regional variants they have a large amount of
product stock already, I imagine they're not trying to keep old items and
didn't see a big reason people would want the old-style PSUs.
I thought CTI had gotten some PSUs straight from the manufacturer years ago
when there was a Motorola shortage, you could check with them.
On Thu, Jun 25, 2015 at 6:47 PM, Sean Heskett
mailto:af...@zirkel.usaf...@zirkel.us mailto:af...@zirkel.us wrote:
Which is great...for you.
Why can't I have a choice? Why are they taking it away if there is still
demand? Why won't they let us go straight to whatever manufacturer they
get them from??
On Thursday, June 25, 2015, Colin Stanners
mailto:cstann...@gmail.comcstann...@gmail.com
mailto:cstann...@gmail.com wrote:
I'm one of those that prefer the new PoE:
-less outlet space needed
-gigabit option (current 450 SMs can reach 75mbit down so it's likely next
generation will hit 100+)
-can choose whatever cable length is needed to go to PC/router.
-won't have the broken RJ tab / wires pulling out of the RJ due to cable
weight issues of the current PoE model
With very big TO COMPUTER / ROUTER TO OUTSIDE ANTENNA labels, on both
sides of the unit, customer wiring mistakes will be almost eliminated. I
haven't seen that as a big problem on the PMP320.
On Thu, Jun 25, 2015 at 2:57 PM, Sean Heskett af...@zirkel.us
mailto:af...@zirkel.us wrote:
Ray can you please come and hang out with one of my clients for a day
Re: [AFMUG] Canopy POE end of life :-/
Already got em and love em and want mo of em! On 06/25/2015 04:29 PM, Matt Mangriotis wrote: Damn Ken… you beat me to it!! I was going to say that. Matt *From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Ken Hohhof *Sent:* Thursday, June 25, 2015 4:05 PM *To:* af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Canopy POE end of life :-/ I keep waiting for Ray to say if you buy this you don’t need the POE: http://www.cambiumnetworks.com/products/c3voip200 *From:*Sean Heskett mailto:af...@zirkel.us *Sent:*Thursday, June 25, 2015 3:44 PM *To:*af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com *Cc:*memb...@wispa.org mailto:memb...@wispa.org *Subject:*Re: [AFMUG] Canopy POE end of life :-/ Our solution for now is we purchased a year and a half supply of them. :-P On Thursday, June 25, 2015, Ray Savich ray.sav...@cambiumnetworks.com mailto:ray.sav...@cambiumnetworks.com wrote: Check out the details at http://community.cambiumnetworks.com/t5/PMP-450/Canopy-POE-end-of-life/m-p/41732 Ray Join the Conversation Cambium Networks Community Forum http://community.cambiumnetworks.com/ *From:*javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','members-boun...@wispa.org'); [mailto:javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','members-boun...@wispa.org');] *On Behalf Of *Sean Heskett *Sent:* Thursday, June 25, 2015 10:38 AM *To:* javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','af@afmug.com'); javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','af@afmug.com'); *Cc:* javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','memb...@wispa.org'); *Subject:* Re: [WISPA Members] Canopy POE end of life :-/ Thanks for the link josh. They normally cost ~$10 so the eBay price of $24 is someone trying to make a buck on them before they are gone. Also eventually eBay will run out too so that's not a long term solution. Come on cambium listen to your long time loyal customers! -Sean On Thursday, June 25, 2015, Josh Luthman javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','j...@imaginenetworksllc.com'); wrote: http://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_from=R40_trksid=p2050601.m570.l1313.TR0.TRC0.H0.Xcanopy+power+supply.TRS0_nkw=canopy+power+supply_sacat=0 Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Thu, Jun 25, 2015 at 11:24 AM, Sean Heskett af...@zirkel.us mailto:af...@zirkel.us wrote: Dear Cambium, Why won't you let us buy the ACPSSW-13B POE if we still want to? It's very frustrating that we now have to change our install procedures AND our tech support procedures. The new POE is also very cumbersome and prone to clients plugging things in backwards etc. Can you either keep selling them or give us access to the manufacturer so that we can still buy them? -Sean ___ Members mailing list memb...@wispa.org mailto:memb...@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/members
Re: [AFMUG] Canopy POE end of life :-/
I have customers that throw away the old style and just plug the cable straight into their router. DUHHH... Like whats this for?? I was hoping for more of a change where the unit gets plugged straight into the wall outlet with a highlighted port for POE and the other for data. Sort of like the 6 ac outlet surge protectors you can find. Get rid of the ac pigtail. On 06/25/2015 10:53 AM, joseph marsh wrote: I honestly hate the epmp poe and the old ones are so easy a cave man can do it On Jun 25, 2015 10:45 AM, That One Guy /sarcasm thatoneguyst...@gmail.com mailto:thatoneguyst...@gmail.com wrote: blacbox On Thu, Jun 25, 2015 at 10:38 AM, Sean Heskett af...@zirkel.us mailto:af...@zirkel.us wrote: Thanks for the link josh. They normally cost ~$10 so the eBay price of $24 is someone trying to make a buck on them before they are gone. Also eventually eBay will run out too so that's not a long term solution. Come on cambium listen to your long time loyal customers! -Sean On Thursday, June 25, 2015, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: http://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_from=R40_trksid=p2050601.m570.l1313.TR0.TRC0.H0.Xcanopy+power+supply.TRS0_nkw=canopy+power+supply_sacat=0 Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 tel:937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 tel:937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Thu, Jun 25, 2015 at 11:24 AM, Sean Heskett af...@zirkel.us wrote: Dear Cambium, Why won't you let us buy the ACPSSW-13B POE if we still want to? It's very frustrating that we now have to change our install procedures AND our tech support procedures. The new POE is also very cumbersome and prone to clients plugging things in backwards etc. Can you either keep selling them or give us access to the manufacturer so that we can still buy them? -Sean ___ Members mailing list memb...@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/members -- If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.
Re: [AFMUG] Canopy POE end of life :-/
We are leasing to own the units for the term of their initial contract for more $$ so we as the provider can afford to replace with out argument and the customer will own it after 2 yrs with the choice to extend the maintenance plan on the unit. thanks dave On 06/25/2015 04:35 PM, Sean Heskett wrote: so then instead of an $8 point of failure (when lightning strikes) we now have a $80 point of failure...how is that better??? On Thu, Jun 25, 2015 at 3:04 PM, Ken Hohhof af...@kwisp.com mailto:af...@kwisp.com wrote: I keep waiting for Ray to say if you buy this you don’t need the POE: http://www.cambiumnetworks.com/products/c3voip200 *From:* Sean Heskett mailto:af...@zirkel.us *Sent:* Thursday, June 25, 2015 3:44 PM *To:* af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com *Cc:* memb...@wispa.org mailto:memb...@wispa.org *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Canopy POE end of life :-/ Our solution for now is we purchased a year and a half supply of them. :-P On Thursday, June 25, 2015, Ray Savich ray.sav...@cambiumnetworks.com mailto:ray.sav...@cambiumnetworks.com wrote: Check out the details at http://community.cambiumnetworks.com/t5/PMP-450/Canopy-POE-end-of-life/m-p/41732 Ray Join the Conversation Cambium Networks Community Forum http://community.cambiumnetworks.com/ *From:*javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','members-boun...@wispa.org'); [mailto:javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','members-boun...@wispa.org');] *On Behalf Of *Sean Heskett *Sent:* Thursday, June 25, 2015 10:38 AM *To:* javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','af@afmug.com'); *Cc:* javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','memb...@wispa.org'); *Subject:* Re: [WISPA Members] Canopy POE end of life :-/ Thanks for the link josh. They normally cost ~$10 so the eBay price of $24 is someone trying to make a buck on them before they are gone. Also eventually eBay will run out too so that's not a long term solution. Come on cambium listen to your long time loyal customers! -Sean On Thursday, June 25, 2015, Josh Luthman javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','j...@imaginenetworksllc.com'); wrote: http://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_from=R40_trksid=p2050601.m570.l1313.TR0.TRC0.H0.Xcanopy+power+supply.TRS0_nkw=canopy+power+supply_sacat=0 Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 tel:937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 tel:937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Thu, Jun 25, 2015 at 11:24 AM, Sean Heskett af...@zirkel.us wrote: Dear Cambium, Why won't you let us buy the ACPSSW-13B POE if we still want to? It's very frustrating that we now have to change our install procedures AND our tech support procedures. The new POE is also very cumbersome and prone to clients plugging things in backwards etc. Can you either keep selling them or give us access to the manufacturer so that we can still buy them? -Sean ___ Members mailing list memb...@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/members
Re: [AFMUG] Canopy POE end of life :-/
Agreed. The issue I have been experiencing is that many new high-power
radios are coming out (e.g. AF5/AF24) in 48V. Even one of these can tip
the balance of power toward 48V, so at that point it makes sense to bite
the bullet, and convert to 48V.
bp
part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com
On 6/26/2015 9:45 AM, Adam Moffett wrote:
Yeah, higher voltage = lower current = less energy lost as heat
though if all your loads are 24v (Canopy, UBNT, Mikrotik) then
starting with 24 saves you a conversion.
On 6/26/2015 12:36 PM, Bill Prince wrote:
I would argue the opposite. Higher voltage means lower current which
means longer run time (generally).
bp
part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com
On 6/25/2015 9:55 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:
Plus DC sites are better in 24 than 48 volts.
Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
On Jun 26, 2015 12:49 AM, Colin Stanners cstann...@gmail.com
mailto:cstann...@gmail.com wrote:
Cambium couldn't use standard poe because when they started
development - around 2000? - such a thing didn't exist, the AF
standard came out in 2003. Also if they had used 48v the POE
injectors would cost about 3x as much.
On Jun 25, 2015 8:04 PM, Sean Heskett af...@zirkel.us
mailto:af...@zirkel.us wrote:
i'm just saying that the financial decision for carrying the
old and new poe goes deeper than how much they may or may
not be making on the poe.
cambium after all is in the business of selling light bulbs
(SMs) and if you need a special socket to use their light
bulb it might behoove them to continue selling the socket
AND the light bulb.
unfortunately this all goes back to the very beginning of
not using a standard poe product.
by the way we are not planning to move all new installs to
telrad that statement was for dramatic effect ;-)
-sean
On Thu, Jun 25, 2015 at 6:50 PM, Ken Hohhof
af...@kwisp.com wrote:
This is sounding like Jack Nicholson trying to get his
whole wheat toast in Five Easy Pieces.
*From:* Sean Heskett mailto:af...@zirkel.us
*Sent:* Thursday, June 25, 2015 7:32 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Canopy POE end of life :-/
but if i decide to completely move all new installs to
telrad they would be very sad puppies.
just sayin
On Thu, Jun 25, 2015 at 6:26 PM, cstann...@gmail.com
wrote:
How much do you think they make per Canopy PSU after
the stockkeeping / freight /organizational work? $3
? I'm sure losing those sales won't keep them up at
night.
*From: *TJ Trout t...@voltbb.com
*Sender: *Af af-boun...@afmug.com
*Date: *Fri, 26 Jun 2015 00:12:22 +
*To: *af@afmug.com
*ReplyTo: *af@afmug.com
*Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Canopy POE end of life :-/
That will be really funny if CTI sources them and
moto looses out on a bunch of sales, lol
On Thu, Jun 25, 2015 at 5:03 PM, Colin Stanners
cstann...@gmail.com wrote:
With the speed keys and regional variants they
have a large amount of product stock already, I
imagine they're not trying to keep old items and
didn't see a big reason people would want the
old-style PSUs.
I thought CTI had gotten some PSUs straight from
the manufacturer years ago when there was a
Motorola shortage, you could check with them.
On Thu, Jun 25, 2015 at 6:47 PM, Sean Heskett
af...@zirkel.us wrote:
Which is great...for you.
Why can't I have a choice? Why are they
taking it away if there is still demand? Why
won't they let us go straight to whatever
manufacturer they get them from??
On Thursday, June 25, 2015, Colin Stanners
cstann...@gmail.com wrote:
I'm one of those that prefer the new PoE:
-less outlet space needed
-gigabit option (current 450 SMs can
reach 75mbit down so it's likely next
generation will hit 100+)
-can choose whatever cable length is
needed to go to PC/router.
-won't have the broken RJ tab / wires
Re: [AFMUG] Canopy POE end of life :-/
I would argue the opposite. Higher voltage means lower current which
means longer run time (generally).
bp
part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com
On 6/25/2015 9:55 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:
Plus DC sites are better in 24 than 48 volts.
Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
On Jun 26, 2015 12:49 AM, Colin Stanners cstann...@gmail.com
mailto:cstann...@gmail.com wrote:
Cambium couldn't use standard poe because when they started
development - around 2000? - such a thing didn't exist, the AF
standard came out in 2003. Also if they had used 48v the POE
injectors would cost about 3x as much.
On Jun 25, 2015 8:04 PM, Sean Heskett af...@zirkel.us
mailto:af...@zirkel.us wrote:
i'm just saying that the financial decision for carrying the
old and new poe goes deeper than how much they may or may not
be making on the poe.
cambium after all is in the business of selling light bulbs
(SMs) and if you need a special socket to use their light bulb
it might behoove them to continue selling the socket AND the
light bulb.
unfortunately this all goes back to the very beginning of not
using a standard poe product.
by the way we are not planning to move all new installs to
telrad that statement was for dramatic effect ;-)
-sean
On Thu, Jun 25, 2015 at 6:50 PM, Ken Hohhof af...@kwisp.com
mailto:af...@kwisp.com wrote:
This is sounding like Jack Nicholson trying to get his
whole wheat toast in Five Easy Pieces.
*From:* Sean Heskett mailto:af...@zirkel.us
*Sent:* Thursday, June 25, 2015 7:32 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Canopy POE end of life :-/
but if i decide to completely move all new installs to
telrad they would be very sad puppies.
just sayin
On Thu, Jun 25, 2015 at 6:26 PM, cstann...@gmail.com
mailto:cstann...@gmail.com wrote:
How much do you think they make per Canopy PSU after
the stockkeeping / freight /organizational work? $3 ?
I'm sure losing those sales won't keep them up at night.
*From: *TJ Trout t...@voltbb.com mailto:t...@voltbb.com
*Sender: *Af af-boun...@afmug.com
mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com
*Date: *Fri, 26 Jun 2015 00:12:22 +
*To: *af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com
*ReplyTo: *af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com
*Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Canopy POE end of life :-/
That will be really funny if CTI sources them and moto
looses out on a bunch of sales, lol
On Thu, Jun 25, 2015 at 5:03 PM, Colin Stanners
cstann...@gmail.com mailto:cstann...@gmail.com wrote:
With the speed keys and regional variants they
have a large amount of product stock already, I
imagine they're not trying to keep old items and
didn't see a big reason people would want the
old-style PSUs.
I thought CTI had gotten some PSUs straight from
the manufacturer years ago when there was a
Motorola shortage, you could check with them.
On Thu, Jun 25, 2015 at 6:47 PM, Sean Heskett
af...@zirkel.us mailto:af...@zirkel.us wrote:
Which is great...for you.
Why can't I have a choice? Why are they
taking it away if there is still demand? Why
won't they let us go straight to whatever
manufacturer they get them from??
On Thursday, June 25, 2015, Colin Stanners
cstann...@gmail.com
mailto:cstann...@gmail.com wrote:
I'm one of those that prefer the new PoE:
-less outlet space needed
-gigabit option (current 450 SMs can reach
75mbit down so it's likely next generation
will hit 100+)
-can choose whatever cable length is
needed to go to PC/router.
-won't have the broken RJ tab / wires
pulling out of the RJ due to cable weight
issues of the current PoE model
With very big TO COMPUTER / ROUTER TO
OUTSIDE ANTENNA labels, on both sides of
the unit, customer
Re: [AFMUG] Canopy POE end of life :-/
Sean, what is the major complaint? Is it that the installer or customer gets confused which port goes where? You could put stickers on things to avoid that. From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Sean Heskett Sent: Thursday, June 25, 2015 3:57 PM To: af@afmug.com Cc: memb...@wispa.org Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Canopy POE end of life :-/ Ray can you please come and hang out with one of my clients for a day and hand them each POE and see which one they can hook up and which one they can't?? Just because you have made this decision doesn't mean it's a good decision and we are asking cambium to reconsider. The new POE sucks! Period! 2cents On Thursday, June 25, 2015, Ray Savich ray.sav...@cambiumnetworks.commailto:ray.sav...@cambiumnetworks.com wrote: Check out the details at http://community.cambiumnetworks.com/t5/PMP-450/Canopy-POE-end-of-life/m-p/41732 Ray Join the Conversation Cambium Networks Community Forumhttp://community.cambiumnetworks.com/ From: members-boun...@wispa.orgjavascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','members-boun...@wispa.org'); [mailto:members-boun...@wispa.orgjavascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','members-boun...@wispa.org');] On Behalf Of Sean Heskett Sent: Thursday, June 25, 2015 10:38 AM To: af@afmug.comjavascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','af@afmug.com'); Cc: memb...@wispa.orgjavascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','memb...@wispa.org'); Subject: Re: [WISPA Members] Canopy POE end of life :-/ Thanks for the link josh. They normally cost ~$10 so the eBay price of $24 is someone trying to make a buck on them before they are gone. Also eventually eBay will run out too so that's not a long term solution. Come on cambium listen to your long time loyal customers! -Sean On Thursday, June 25, 2015, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.comjavascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','j...@imaginenetworksllc.com'); wrote: http://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_from=R40_trksid=p2050601.m570.l1313.TR0.TRC0.H0.Xcanopy+power+supply.TRS0_nkw=canopy+power+supply_sacat=0 Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Thu, Jun 25, 2015 at 11:24 AM, Sean Heskett af...@zirkel.usmailto:af...@zirkel.us wrote: Dear Cambium, Why won't you let us buy the ACPSSW-13B POE if we still want to? It's very frustrating that we now have to change our install procedures AND our tech support procedures. The new POE is also very cumbersome and prone to clients plugging things in backwards etc. Can you either keep selling them or give us access to the manufacturer so that we can still buy them? -Sean ___ Members mailing list memb...@wispa.orgmailto:memb...@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/members
Re: [AFMUG] Canopy POE end of life :-/
Pretty much the same here - we bought out what we could find. I don’t like the extra cost of the power cord and the additional Ethernet cable. More connections is just more places to screw it up. In addition we now have several thousand of the old style mixed in with the new style. Makes supporting it over the phone harder when we can’t tell the customer what they are looking for. I have been trying to figure out how to buy these direct from the OEM manufacturer but have not had much luck yet. Mark On Jun 25, 2015, at 4:44 PM, Sean Heskett af...@zirkel.us wrote: Our solution for now is we purchased a year and a half supply of them. :-P On Thursday, June 25, 2015, Ray Savich ray.sav...@cambiumnetworks.com mailto:ray.sav...@cambiumnetworks.com wrote: Check out the details at http://community.cambiumnetworks.com/t5/PMP-450/Canopy-POE-end-of-life/m-p/41732 http://community.cambiumnetworks.com/t5/PMP-450/Canopy-POE-end-of-life/m-p/41732 Ray Join the Conversation Cambium Networks Community Forum http://community.cambiumnetworks.com/ From: members-boun...@wispa.org javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','members-boun...@wispa.org'); [mailto:members-boun...@wispa.org javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','members-boun...@wispa.org');] On Behalf Of Sean Heskett Sent: Thursday, June 25, 2015 10:38 AM To: af@afmug.com javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','af@afmug.com'); Cc: memb...@wispa.org javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','memb...@wispa.org'); Subject: Re: [WISPA Members] Canopy POE end of life :-/ Thanks for the link josh. They normally cost ~$10 so the eBay price of $24 is someone trying to make a buck on them before they are gone. Also eventually eBay will run out too so that's not a long term solution. Come on cambium listen to your long time loyal customers! -Sean On Thursday, June 25, 2015, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','j...@imaginenetworksllc.com'); wrote: http://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_from=R40_trksid=p2050601.m570.l1313.TR0.TRC0.H0.Xcanopy+power+supply.TRS0_nkw=canopy+power+supply_sacat=0 http://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_from=R40_trksid=p2050601.m570.l1313.TR0.TRC0.H0.Xcanopy+power+supply.TRS0_nkw=canopy+power+supply_sacat=0 Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Thu, Jun 25, 2015 at 11:24 AM, Sean Heskett af...@zirkel.us wrote: Dear Cambium, Why won't you let us buy the ACPSSW-13B POE if we still want to? It's very frustrating that we now have to change our install procedures AND our tech support procedures. The new POE is also very cumbersome and prone to clients plugging things in backwards etc. Can you either keep selling them or give us access to the manufacturer so that we can still buy them? -Sean ___ Members mailing list memb...@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/members http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/members
Re: [AFMUG] Canopy POE end of life :-/
If you fool proof something, all you're doing is making a better fool.
Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
On Thu, Jun 25, 2015 at 4:17 PM, Bill Prince part15...@gmail.com wrote:
Absotutely. I actually had a subscriber argue with me about the correct
connection required for a Tycon POE (which I consider fairly
straightforward and easy to understand). Yet he insisted that it be
connected the opposite way.
Where upon, I had to reverse the connection, show him that it worked. Only
then was he satisfied that it was correct, but poorly labeled.
At that point, I covered up the Tycon labeling, and pasted on labeling
that satisfied him. Now everybody is happy.
Never underestimate the ability of a non-technical person to misunderstand
labels and/or instructions.
bp
part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com
On 6/25/2015 1:10 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:
Are you serious? There was a bright red sticker on Pac/Tycon POEs and
people still screwed it up.
Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
On Thu, Jun 25, 2015 at 4:02 PM, Paul McCall pa...@pdmnet.net wrote:
Sean, what is the major complaint? Is it that the installer or
customer gets confused which port goes where? You could put stickers on
things to avoid that.
*From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Sean Heskett
*Sent:* Thursday, June 25, 2015 3:57 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Cc:* memb...@wispa.org
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Canopy POE end of life :-/
Ray can you please come and hang out with one of my clients for a day and
hand them each POE and see which one they can hook up and which one they
can't??
Just because you have made this decision doesn't mean it's a good
decision and we are asking cambium to reconsider. The new POE sucks!
Period!
2cents
On Thursday, June 25, 2015, Ray Savich ray.sav...@cambiumnetworks.com
wrote:
Check out the details at
http://community.cambiumnetworks.com/t5/PMP-450/Canopy-POE-end-of-life/m-p/41732
Ray
Join the Conversation
Cambium Networks Community Forum http://community.cambiumnetworks.com/
*From:* members-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:members-boun...@wispa.org] *On
Behalf Of *Sean Heskett
*Sent:* Thursday, June 25, 2015 10:38 AM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Cc:* memb...@wispa.org
*Subject:* Re: [WISPA Members] Canopy POE end of life :-/
Thanks for the link josh. They normally cost ~$10 so the eBay price of
$24 is someone trying to make a buck on them before they are gone. Also
eventually eBay will run out too so that's not a long term solution.
Come on cambium listen to your long time loyal customers!
-Sean
On Thursday, June 25, 2015, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com
wrote:
http://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_from=R40_trksid=p2050601.m570.l1313.TR0.TRC0.H0.Xcanopy+power+supply.TRS0_nkw=canopy+power+supply_sacat=0
Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
On Thu, Jun 25, 2015 at 11:24 AM, Sean Heskett af...@zirkel.us wrote:
Dear Cambium,
Why won't you let us buy the ACPSSW-13B POE if we still want to?
It's very frustrating that we now have to change our install procedures
AND our tech support procedures. The new POE is also very cumbersome and
prone to clients plugging things in backwards etc.
Can you either keep selling them or give us access to the manufacturer so
that we can still buy them?
-Sean
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Re: [AFMUG] Canopy POE end of life :-/
Cambium couldn't use standard poe because when they started development - around 2000? - such a thing didn't exist, the AF standard came out in 2003. Also if they had used 48v the POE injectors would cost about 3x as much. On Jun 25, 2015 8:04 PM, Sean Heskett af...@zirkel.us wrote: i'm just saying that the financial decision for carrying the old and new poe goes deeper than how much they may or may not be making on the poe. cambium after all is in the business of selling light bulbs (SMs) and if you need a special socket to use their light bulb it might behoove them to continue selling the socket AND the light bulb. unfortunately this all goes back to the very beginning of not using a standard poe product. by the way we are not planning to move all new installs to telrad that statement was for dramatic effect ;-) -sean On Thu, Jun 25, 2015 at 6:50 PM, Ken Hohhof af...@kwisp.com wrote: This is sounding like Jack Nicholson trying to get his whole wheat toast in Five Easy Pieces. *From:* Sean Heskett af...@zirkel.us *Sent:* Thursday, June 25, 2015 7:32 PM *To:* af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Canopy POE end of life :-/ but if i decide to completely move all new installs to telrad they would be very sad puppies. just sayin On Thu, Jun 25, 2015 at 6:26 PM, cstann...@gmail.com wrote: How much do you think they make per Canopy PSU after the stockkeeping / freight /organizational work? $3 ? I'm sure losing those sales won't keep them up at night. -- *From: *TJ Trout t...@voltbb.com *Sender: *Af af-boun...@afmug.com *Date: *Fri, 26 Jun 2015 00:12:22 + *To: *af@afmug.com *ReplyTo: *af@afmug.com *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Canopy POE end of life :-/ That will be really funny if CTI sources them and moto looses out on a bunch of sales, lol On Thu, Jun 25, 2015 at 5:03 PM, Colin Stanners cstann...@gmail.com wrote: With the speed keys and regional variants they have a large amount of product stock already, I imagine they're not trying to keep old items and didn't see a big reason people would want the old-style PSUs. I thought CTI had gotten some PSUs straight from the manufacturer years ago when there was a Motorola shortage, you could check with them. On Thu, Jun 25, 2015 at 6:47 PM, Sean Heskett af...@zirkel.us wrote: Which is great...for you. Why can't I have a choice? Why are they taking it away if there is still demand? Why won't they let us go straight to whatever manufacturer they get them from?? On Thursday, June 25, 2015, Colin Stanners cstann...@gmail.com wrote: I'm one of those that prefer the new PoE: -less outlet space needed -gigabit option (current 450 SMs can reach 75mbit down so it's likely next generation will hit 100+) -can choose whatever cable length is needed to go to PC/router. -won't have the broken RJ tab / wires pulling out of the RJ due to cable weight issues of the current PoE model With very big TO COMPUTER / ROUTER TO OUTSIDE ANTENNA labels, on both sides of the unit, customer wiring mistakes will be almost eliminated. I haven't seen that as a big problem on the PMP320. On Thu, Jun 25, 2015 at 2:57 PM, Sean Heskett af...@zirkel.us wrote: Ray can you please come and hang out with one of my clients for a day and hand them each POE and see which one they can hook up and which one they can't?? Just because you have made this decision doesn't mean it's a good decision and we are asking cambium to reconsider. The new POE sucks! Period! 2cents On Thursday, June 25, 2015, Ray Savich ray.sav...@cambiumnetworks.com wrote: Check out the details at http://community.cambiumnetworks.com/t5/PMP-450/Canopy-POE-end-of-life/m-p/41732 Ray Join the Conversation Cambium Networks Community Forum http://community.cambiumnetworks.com/ *From:* members-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:members-boun...@wispa.org] *On Behalf Of *Sean Heskett *Sent:* Thursday, June 25, 2015 10:38 AM *To:* af@afmug.com *Cc:* memb...@wispa.org *Subject:* Re: [WISPA Members] Canopy POE end of life :-/ Thanks for the link josh. They normally cost ~$10 so the eBay price of $24 is someone trying to make a buck on them before they are gone. Also eventually eBay will run out too so that's not a long term solution. Come on cambium listen to your long time loyal customers! -Sean On Thursday, June 25, 2015, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: http://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_from=R40_trksid=p2050601.m570.l1313.TR0.TRC0.H0.Xcanopy+power+supply.TRS0_nkw=canopy+power+supply_sacat=0 Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Thu, Jun 25, 2015 at 11:24 AM, Sean Heskett af...@zirkel.us wrote: Dear Cambium, Why won't you let us buy the ACPSSW-13B POE if we still want to? It's very frustrating that we now have to change our install procedures AND our tech support procedures
Re: [AFMUG] Canopy POE end of life :-/
Plus DC sites are better in 24 than 48 volts. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Jun 26, 2015 12:49 AM, Colin Stanners cstann...@gmail.com wrote: Cambium couldn't use standard poe because when they started development - around 2000? - such a thing didn't exist, the AF standard came out in 2003. Also if they had used 48v the POE injectors would cost about 3x as much. On Jun 25, 2015 8:04 PM, Sean Heskett af...@zirkel.us wrote: i'm just saying that the financial decision for carrying the old and new poe goes deeper than how much they may or may not be making on the poe. cambium after all is in the business of selling light bulbs (SMs) and if you need a special socket to use their light bulb it might behoove them to continue selling the socket AND the light bulb. unfortunately this all goes back to the very beginning of not using a standard poe product. by the way we are not planning to move all new installs to telrad that statement was for dramatic effect ;-) -sean On Thu, Jun 25, 2015 at 6:50 PM, Ken Hohhof af...@kwisp.com wrote: This is sounding like Jack Nicholson trying to get his whole wheat toast in Five Easy Pieces. *From:* Sean Heskett af...@zirkel.us *Sent:* Thursday, June 25, 2015 7:32 PM *To:* af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Canopy POE end of life :-/ but if i decide to completely move all new installs to telrad they would be very sad puppies. just sayin On Thu, Jun 25, 2015 at 6:26 PM, cstann...@gmail.com wrote: How much do you think they make per Canopy PSU after the stockkeeping / freight /organizational work? $3 ? I'm sure losing those sales won't keep them up at night. -- *From: *TJ Trout t...@voltbb.com *Sender: *Af af-boun...@afmug.com *Date: *Fri, 26 Jun 2015 00:12:22 + *To: *af@afmug.com *ReplyTo: *af@afmug.com *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Canopy POE end of life :-/ That will be really funny if CTI sources them and moto looses out on a bunch of sales, lol On Thu, Jun 25, 2015 at 5:03 PM, Colin Stanners cstann...@gmail.com wrote: With the speed keys and regional variants they have a large amount of product stock already, I imagine they're not trying to keep old items and didn't see a big reason people would want the old-style PSUs. I thought CTI had gotten some PSUs straight from the manufacturer years ago when there was a Motorola shortage, you could check with them. On Thu, Jun 25, 2015 at 6:47 PM, Sean Heskett af...@zirkel.us wrote: Which is great...for you. Why can't I have a choice? Why are they taking it away if there is still demand? Why won't they let us go straight to whatever manufacturer they get them from?? On Thursday, June 25, 2015, Colin Stanners cstann...@gmail.com wrote: I'm one of those that prefer the new PoE: -less outlet space needed -gigabit option (current 450 SMs can reach 75mbit down so it's likely next generation will hit 100+) -can choose whatever cable length is needed to go to PC/router. -won't have the broken RJ tab / wires pulling out of the RJ due to cable weight issues of the current PoE model With very big TO COMPUTER / ROUTER TO OUTSIDE ANTENNA labels, on both sides of the unit, customer wiring mistakes will be almost eliminated. I haven't seen that as a big problem on the PMP320. On Thu, Jun 25, 2015 at 2:57 PM, Sean Heskett af...@zirkel.us wrote: Ray can you please come and hang out with one of my clients for a day and hand them each POE and see which one they can hook up and which one they can't?? Just because you have made this decision doesn't mean it's a good decision and we are asking cambium to reconsider. The new POE sucks! Period! 2cents On Thursday, June 25, 2015, Ray Savich ray.sav...@cambiumnetworks.com wrote: Check out the details at http://community.cambiumnetworks.com/t5/PMP-450/Canopy-POE-end-of-life/m-p/41732 Ray Join the Conversation Cambium Networks Community Forum http://community.cambiumnetworks.com/ *From:* members-boun...@wispa.org [mailto: members-boun...@wispa.org] *On Behalf Of *Sean Heskett *Sent:* Thursday, June 25, 2015 10:38 AM *To:* af@afmug.com *Cc:* memb...@wispa.org *Subject:* Re: [WISPA Members] Canopy POE end of life :-/ Thanks for the link josh. They normally cost ~$10 so the eBay price of $24 is someone trying to make a buck on them before they are gone. Also eventually eBay will run out too so that's not a long term solution. Come on cambium listen to your long time loyal customers! -Sean On Thursday, June 25, 2015, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: http://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_from=R40_trksid=p2050601.m570.l1313.TR0.TRC0.H0.Xcanopy+power+supply.TRS0_nkw=canopy+power+supply_sacat=0 Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Thu, Jun 25, 2015 at 11:24 AM, Sean Heskett af
Re: [AFMUG] Canopy POE end of life :-/
It looks like the current standard Canopy Poe is https://phihong.com/html/psx15a_15w_level_vi_wall_adapter.html 24v version with a custom end. On Jun 25, 2015 9:10 PM, Chuck McCown ch...@wbmfg.com wrote: I was using phihong power supplies 20+ years ago. *From:* Ken Hohhof af...@kwisp.com *Sent:* Thursday, June 25, 2015 6:20 PM *To:* af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Canopy POE end of life :-/ The one I have sitting here says Phihong but it’s old enough to be Motorola not Cambium. If Cambium was worried about losing a bunch of sales, they wouldn’t be dropping the product. My guess is it’s a minimum order thing. They probably have to order X thousands at a time and the last order took them a year or two to unload to distributors, and it was time to decide whether to order another container load of them and have them take up warehouse space, plus now they would be carrying two versions of POE. So if CTI or another distributor wanted to order a bunch direct from the manufacturer (or a knockoff from somewhere else), it would be reasonable to expect Cambium to give the OK. I wouldn’t expect them to cry over the lost revenue though. *From:* TJ Trout t...@voltbb.com *Sent:* Thursday, June 25, 2015 7:12 PM *To:* af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Canopy POE end of life :-/ That will be really funny if CTI sources them and moto looses out on a bunch of sales, lol On Thu, Jun 25, 2015 at 5:03 PM, Colin Stanners cstann...@gmail.com wrote: With the speed keys and regional variants they have a large amount of product stock already, I imagine they're not trying to keep old items and didn't see a big reason people would want the old-style PSUs. I thought CTI had gotten some PSUs straight from the manufacturer years ago when there was a Motorola shortage, you could check with them. On Thu, Jun 25, 2015 at 6:47 PM, Sean Heskett af...@zirkel.us wrote: Which is great...for you. Why can't I have a choice? Why are they taking it away if there is still demand? Why won't they let us go straight to whatever manufacturer they get them from?? On Thursday, June 25, 2015, Colin Stanners cstann...@gmail.com wrote: I'm one of those that prefer the new PoE: -less outlet space needed -gigabit option (current 450 SMs can reach 75mbit down so it's likely next generation will hit 100+) -can choose whatever cable length is needed to go to PC/router. -won't have the broken RJ tab / wires pulling out of the RJ due to cable weight issues of the current PoE model With very big TO COMPUTER / ROUTER TO OUTSIDE ANTENNA labels, on both sides of the unit, customer wiring mistakes will be almost eliminated. I haven't seen that as a big problem on the PMP320. On Thu, Jun 25, 2015 at 2:57 PM, Sean Heskett af...@zirkel.us wrote: Ray can you please come and hang out with one of my clients for a day and hand them each POE and see which one they can hook up and which one they can't?? Just because you have made this decision doesn't mean it's a good decision and we are asking cambium to reconsider. The new POE sucks! Period! 2cents On Thursday, June 25, 2015, Ray Savich ray.sav...@cambiumnetworks.com wrote: Check out the details at http://community.cambiumnetworks.com/t5/PMP-450/Canopy-POE-end-of-life/m-p/41732 Ray Join the Conversation Cambium Networks Community Forum http://community.cambiumnetworks.com/ *From:* members-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:members-boun...@wispa.org] *On Behalf Of *Sean Heskett *Sent:* Thursday, June 25, 2015 10:38 AM *To:* af@afmug.com *Cc:* memb...@wispa.org *Subject:* Re: [WISPA Members] Canopy POE end of life :-/ Thanks for the link josh. They normally cost ~$10 so the eBay price of $24 is someone trying to make a buck on them before they are gone. Also eventually eBay will run out too so that's not a long term solution. Come on cambium listen to your long time loyal customers! -Sean On Thursday, June 25, 2015, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: http://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_from=R40_trksid=p2050601.m570.l1313.TR0.TRC0.H0.Xcanopy+power+supply.TRS0_nkw=canopy+power+supply_sacat=0 Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Thu, Jun 25, 2015 at 11:24 AM, Sean Heskett af...@zirkel.us wrote: Dear Cambium, Why won't you let us buy the ACPSSW-13B POE if we still want to? It's very frustrating that we now have to change our install procedures AND our tech support procedures. The new POE is also very cumbersome and prone to clients plugging things in backwards etc. Can you either keep selling them or give us access to the manufacturer so that we can still buy them? -Sean ___ Members mailing list memb...@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/members
Re: [AFMUG] Canopy POE end of life :-/
Ray can you please come and hang out with one of my clients for a day and hand them each POE and see which one they can hook up and which one they can't?? Just because you have made this decision doesn't mean it's a good decision and we are asking cambium to reconsider. The new POE sucks! Period! 2cents On Thursday, June 25, 2015, Ray Savich ray.sav...@cambiumnetworks.com wrote: Check out the details at http://community.cambiumnetworks.com/t5/PMP-450/Canopy-POE-end-of-life/m-p/41732 Ray Join the Conversation Cambium Networks Community Forum http://community.cambiumnetworks.com/ *From:* members-boun...@wispa.org javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','members-boun...@wispa.org'); [mailto: members-boun...@wispa.org javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','members-boun...@wispa.org');] *On Behalf Of *Sean Heskett *Sent:* Thursday, June 25, 2015 10:38 AM *To:* af@afmug.com javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','af@afmug.com'); *Cc:* memb...@wispa.org javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','memb...@wispa.org'); *Subject:* Re: [WISPA Members] Canopy POE end of life :-/ Thanks for the link josh. They normally cost ~$10 so the eBay price of $24 is someone trying to make a buck on them before they are gone. Also eventually eBay will run out too so that's not a long term solution. Come on cambium listen to your long time loyal customers! -Sean On Thursday, June 25, 2015, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','j...@imaginenetworksllc.com'); wrote: http://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_from=R40_trksid=p2050601.m570.l1313.TR0.TRC0.H0.Xcanopy+power+supply.TRS0_nkw=canopy+power+supply_sacat=0 Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Thu, Jun 25, 2015 at 11:24 AM, Sean Heskett af...@zirkel.us wrote: Dear Cambium, Why won't you let us buy the ACPSSW-13B POE if we still want to? It's very frustrating that we now have to change our install procedures AND our tech support procedures. The new POE is also very cumbersome and prone to clients plugging things in backwards etc. Can you either keep selling them or give us access to the manufacturer so that we can still buy them? -Sean ___ Members mailing list memb...@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/members
Re: [AFMUG] Canopy POE end of life :-/
I think a big part of the issue with customers plugging things in wrong is labelling. Data and Data+Power means nothing to the typical caveman customer. We've been putting stickers on UBNT power supplies for years labelling the ports Antenna and PC/Router and we rarely get customers plugging them in wrong. On Thu, Jun 25, 2015 at 2:57 PM, Sean Heskett af...@zirkel.us wrote: Ray can you please come and hang out with one of my clients for a day and hand them each POE and see which one they can hook up and which one they can't?? Just because you have made this decision doesn't mean it's a good decision and we are asking cambium to reconsider. The new POE sucks! Period! 2cents On Thursday, June 25, 2015, Ray Savich ray.sav...@cambiumnetworks.com wrote: Check out the details at http://community.cambiumnetworks.com/t5/PMP-450/Canopy-POE-end-of-life/m-p/41732 Ray Join the Conversation Cambium Networks Community Forum http://community.cambiumnetworks.com/ *From:* members-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:members-boun...@wispa.org] *On Behalf Of *Sean Heskett *Sent:* Thursday, June 25, 2015 10:38 AM *To:* af@afmug.com *Cc:* memb...@wispa.org *Subject:* Re: [WISPA Members] Canopy POE end of life :-/ Thanks for the link josh. They normally cost ~$10 so the eBay price of $24 is someone trying to make a buck on them before they are gone. Also eventually eBay will run out too so that's not a long term solution. Come on cambium listen to your long time loyal customers! -Sean On Thursday, June 25, 2015, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: http://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_from=R40_trksid=p2050601.m570.l1313.TR0.TRC0.H0.Xcanopy+power+supply.TRS0_nkw=canopy+power+supply_sacat=0 Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Thu, Jun 25, 2015 at 11:24 AM, Sean Heskett af...@zirkel.us wrote: Dear Cambium, Why won't you let us buy the ACPSSW-13B POE if we still want to? It's very frustrating that we now have to change our install procedures AND our tech support procedures. The new POE is also very cumbersome and prone to clients plugging things in backwards etc. Can you either keep selling them or give us access to the manufacturer so that we can still buy them? -Sean ___ Members mailing list memb...@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/members
Re: [AFMUG] Canopy POE end of life :-/
Absotutely. I actually had a subscriber argue with me about the
correct connection required for a Tycon POE (which I consider fairly
straightforward and easy to understand). Yet he insisted that it be
connected the opposite way.
Where upon, I had to reverse the connection, show him that it worked.
Only then was he satisfied that it was correct, but poorly labeled.
At that point, I covered up the Tycon labeling, and pasted on labeling
that satisfied him. Now everybody is happy.
Never underestimate the ability of a non-technical person to
misunderstand labels and/or instructions.
bp
part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com
On 6/25/2015 1:10 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:
Are you serious? There was a bright red sticker on Pac/Tycon POEs and
people still screwed it up.
Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
On Thu, Jun 25, 2015 at 4:02 PM, Paul McCall pa...@pdmnet.net
mailto:pa...@pdmnet.net wrote:
Sean, what is the major complaint? Is it that the installer or
customer gets confused which port goes where? You could put
stickers on things to avoid that.
*From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com
mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Sean Heskett
*Sent:* Thursday, June 25, 2015 3:57 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com
*Cc:* memb...@wispa.org mailto:memb...@wispa.org
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Canopy POE end of life :-/
Ray can you please come and hang out with one of my clients for a
day and hand them each POE and see which one they can hook up and
which one they can't??
Just because you have made this decision doesn't mean it's a good
decision and we are asking cambium to reconsider. The new POE
sucks! Period!
2cents
On Thursday, June 25, 2015, Ray Savich
ray.sav...@cambiumnetworks.com
mailto:ray.sav...@cambiumnetworks.com wrote:
Check out the details at
http://community.cambiumnetworks.com/t5/PMP-450/Canopy-POE-end-of-life/m-p/41732
Ray
Join the Conversation
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http://community.cambiumnetworks.com/
*From:*members-boun...@wispa.org
[mailto:members-boun...@wispa.org] *On Behalf Of *Sean Heskett
*Sent:* Thursday, June 25, 2015 10:38 AM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Cc:* memb...@wispa.org
*Subject:* Re: [WISPA Members] Canopy POE end of life :-/
Thanks for the link josh. They normally cost ~$10 so the eBay
price of $24 is someone trying to make a buck on them before they
are gone. Also eventually eBay will run out too so that's not a
long term solution.
Come on cambium listen to your long time loyal customers!
-Sean
On Thursday, June 25, 2015, Josh Luthman
j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote:
http://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_from=R40_trksid=p2050601.m570.l1313.TR0.TRC0.H0.Xcanopy+power+supply.TRS0_nkw=canopy+power+supply_sacat=0
Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340 tel:937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343 tel:937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
On Thu, Jun 25, 2015 at 11:24 AM, Sean Heskett af...@zirkel.us
mailto:af...@zirkel.us wrote:
Dear Cambium,
Why won't you let us buy the ACPSSW-13B POE if we still want to?
It's very frustrating that we now have to change our install
procedures AND our tech support procedures. The new POE is also
very cumbersome and prone to clients plugging things in backwards etc.
Can you either keep selling them or give us access to the
manufacturer so that we can still buy them?
-Sean
___
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Re: [AFMUG] Canopy POE end of life :-/
Are you serious? There was a bright red sticker on Pac/Tycon POEs and people still screwed it up. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Thu, Jun 25, 2015 at 4:02 PM, Paul McCall pa...@pdmnet.net wrote: Sean, what is the major complaint? Is it that the installer or customer gets confused which port goes where? You could put stickers on things to avoid that. *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Sean Heskett *Sent:* Thursday, June 25, 2015 3:57 PM *To:* af@afmug.com *Cc:* memb...@wispa.org *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Canopy POE end of life :-/ Ray can you please come and hang out with one of my clients for a day and hand them each POE and see which one they can hook up and which one they can't?? Just because you have made this decision doesn't mean it's a good decision and we are asking cambium to reconsider. The new POE sucks! Period! 2cents On Thursday, June 25, 2015, Ray Savich ray.sav...@cambiumnetworks.com wrote: Check out the details at http://community.cambiumnetworks.com/t5/PMP-450/Canopy-POE-end-of-life/m-p/41732 Ray Join the Conversation Cambium Networks Community Forum http://community.cambiumnetworks.com/ *From:* members-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:members-boun...@wispa.org] *On Behalf Of *Sean Heskett *Sent:* Thursday, June 25, 2015 10:38 AM *To:* af@afmug.com *Cc:* memb...@wispa.org *Subject:* Re: [WISPA Members] Canopy POE end of life :-/ Thanks for the link josh. They normally cost ~$10 so the eBay price of $24 is someone trying to make a buck on them before they are gone. Also eventually eBay will run out too so that's not a long term solution. Come on cambium listen to your long time loyal customers! -Sean On Thursday, June 25, 2015, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: http://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_from=R40_trksid=p2050601.m570.l1313.TR0.TRC0.H0.Xcanopy+power+supply.TRS0_nkw=canopy+power+supply_sacat=0 Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Thu, Jun 25, 2015 at 11:24 AM, Sean Heskett af...@zirkel.us wrote: Dear Cambium, Why won't you let us buy the ACPSSW-13B POE if we still want to? It's very frustrating that we now have to change our install procedures AND our tech support procedures. The new POE is also very cumbersome and prone to clients plugging things in backwards etc. Can you either keep selling them or give us access to the manufacturer so that we can still buy them? -Sean ___ Members mailing list memb...@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/members
Re: [AFMUG] Canopy POE end of life :-/
Now this is a good idea. The label on the old power supplies was Radio and Computer I believe. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Thu, Jun 25, 2015 at 4:09 PM, Mathew Howard mhoward...@gmail.com wrote: I think a big part of the issue with customers plugging things in wrong is labelling. Data and Data+Power means nothing to the typical caveman customer. We've been putting stickers on UBNT power supplies for years labelling the ports Antenna and PC/Router and we rarely get customers plugging them in wrong. On Thu, Jun 25, 2015 at 2:57 PM, Sean Heskett af...@zirkel.us wrote: Ray can you please come and hang out with one of my clients for a day and hand them each POE and see which one they can hook up and which one they can't?? Just because you have made this decision doesn't mean it's a good decision and we are asking cambium to reconsider. The new POE sucks! Period! 2cents On Thursday, June 25, 2015, Ray Savich ray.sav...@cambiumnetworks.com wrote: Check out the details at http://community.cambiumnetworks.com/t5/PMP-450/Canopy-POE-end-of-life/m-p/41732 Ray Join the Conversation Cambium Networks Community Forum http://community.cambiumnetworks.com/ *From:* members-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:members-boun...@wispa.org] *On Behalf Of *Sean Heskett *Sent:* Thursday, June 25, 2015 10:38 AM *To:* af@afmug.com *Cc:* memb...@wispa.org *Subject:* Re: [WISPA Members] Canopy POE end of life :-/ Thanks for the link josh. They normally cost ~$10 so the eBay price of $24 is someone trying to make a buck on them before they are gone. Also eventually eBay will run out too so that's not a long term solution. Come on cambium listen to your long time loyal customers! -Sean On Thursday, June 25, 2015, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: http://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_from=R40_trksid=p2050601.m570.l1313.TR0.TRC0.H0.Xcanopy+power+supply.TRS0_nkw=canopy+power+supply_sacat=0 Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Thu, Jun 25, 2015 at 11:24 AM, Sean Heskett af...@zirkel.us wrote: Dear Cambium, Why won't you let us buy the ACPSSW-13B POE if we still want to? It's very frustrating that we now have to change our install procedures AND our tech support procedures. The new POE is also very cumbersome and prone to clients plugging things in backwards etc. Can you either keep selling them or give us access to the manufacturer so that we can still buy them? -Sean ___ Members mailing list memb...@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/members
Re: [AFMUG] Canopy POE end of life :-/
Could you do something with white and black colored ethernet cabling and
label the corresponding ports white and black? IE: black goes outside,
white goes to the router/pc?
Rory McCann
MKAP Technology Solutions
Web: www.mkap.net
On 6/25/2015 3:17 PM, Bill Prince wrote:
Absotutely. I actually had a subscriber argue with me about the
correct connection required for a Tycon POE (which I consider fairly
straightforward and easy to understand). Yet he insisted that it be
connected the opposite way.
Where upon, I had to reverse the connection, show him that it worked.
Only then was he satisfied that it was correct, but poorly labeled.
At that point, I covered up the Tycon labeling, and pasted on labeling
that satisfied him. Now everybody is happy.
Never underestimate the ability of a non-technical person to
misunderstand labels and/or instructions.
bp
part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com
On 6/25/2015 1:10 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:
Are you serious? There was a bright red sticker on Pac/Tycon POEs
and people still screwed it up.
Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
On Thu, Jun 25, 2015 at 4:02 PM, Paul McCall pa...@pdmnet.net
mailto:pa...@pdmnet.net wrote:
Sean, what is the major complaint? Is it that the installer or
customer gets confused which port goes where? You could put
stickers on things to avoid that.
*From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com
mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Sean Heskett
*Sent:* Thursday, June 25, 2015 3:57 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com
*Cc:* memb...@wispa.org mailto:memb...@wispa.org
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Canopy POE end of life :-/
Ray can you please come and hang out with one of my clients for a
day and hand them each POE and see which one they can hook up and
which one they can't??
Just because you have made this decision doesn't mean it's a good
decision and we are asking cambium to reconsider. The new POE
sucks! Period!
2cents
On Thursday, June 25, 2015, Ray Savich
ray.sav...@cambiumnetworks.com
mailto:ray.sav...@cambiumnetworks.com wrote:
Check out the details at
http://community.cambiumnetworks.com/t5/PMP-450/Canopy-POE-end-of-life/m-p/41732
Ray
Join the Conversation
Cambium Networks Community Forum
http://community.cambiumnetworks.com/
*From:*members-boun...@wispa.org
[mailto:members-boun...@wispa.org] *On Behalf Of *Sean Heskett
*Sent:* Thursday, June 25, 2015 10:38 AM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Cc:* memb...@wispa.org
*Subject:* Re: [WISPA Members] Canopy POE end of life :-/
Thanks for the link josh. They normally cost ~$10 so the eBay
price of $24 is someone trying to make a buck on them before they
are gone. Also eventually eBay will run out too so that's not a
long term solution.
Come on cambium listen to your long time loyal customers!
-Sean
On Thursday, June 25, 2015, Josh Luthman
j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote:
http://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_from=R40_trksid=p2050601.m570.l1313.TR0.TRC0.H0.Xcanopy+power+supply.TRS0_nkw=canopy+power+supply_sacat=0
Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340 tel:937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343 tel:937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
On Thu, Jun 25, 2015 at 11:24 AM, Sean Heskett af...@zirkel.us
mailto:af...@zirkel.us wrote:
Dear Cambium,
Why won't you let us buy the ACPSSW-13B POE if we still want to?
It's very frustrating that we now have to change our install
procedures AND our tech support procedures. The new POE is also
very cumbersome and prone to clients plugging things in backwards
etc.
Can you either keep selling them or give us access to the
manufacturer so that we can still buy them?
-Sean
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Re: [AFMUG] Canopy POE end of life :-/
Our solution for now is we purchased a year and a half supply of them. :-P On Thursday, June 25, 2015, Ray Savich ray.sav...@cambiumnetworks.com wrote: Check out the details at http://community.cambiumnetworks.com/t5/PMP-450/Canopy-POE-end-of-life/m-p/41732 Ray Join the Conversation Cambium Networks Community Forum http://community.cambiumnetworks.com/ *From:* members-boun...@wispa.org javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','members-boun...@wispa.org'); [mailto: members-boun...@wispa.org javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','members-boun...@wispa.org');] *On Behalf Of *Sean Heskett *Sent:* Thursday, June 25, 2015 10:38 AM *To:* af@afmug.com javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','af@afmug.com'); *Cc:* memb...@wispa.org javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','memb...@wispa.org'); *Subject:* Re: [WISPA Members] Canopy POE end of life :-/ Thanks for the link josh. They normally cost ~$10 so the eBay price of $24 is someone trying to make a buck on them before they are gone. Also eventually eBay will run out too so that's not a long term solution. Come on cambium listen to your long time loyal customers! -Sean On Thursday, June 25, 2015, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','j...@imaginenetworksllc.com'); wrote: http://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_from=R40_trksid=p2050601.m570.l1313.TR0.TRC0.H0.Xcanopy+power+supply.TRS0_nkw=canopy+power+supply_sacat=0 Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Thu, Jun 25, 2015 at 11:24 AM, Sean Heskett af...@zirkel.us wrote: Dear Cambium, Why won't you let us buy the ACPSSW-13B POE if we still want to? It's very frustrating that we now have to change our install procedures AND our tech support procedures. The new POE is also very cumbersome and prone to clients plugging things in backwards etc. Can you either keep selling them or give us access to the manufacturer so that we can still buy them? -Sean ___ Members mailing list memb...@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/members
Re: [AFMUG] Canopy POE end of life :-/
“It is impossible to make anything foolproof, because fools are so ingenious.”
- corollary to Murphy’s Law
From: Josh Luthman
Sent: Thursday, June 25, 2015 3:19 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Canopy POE end of life :-/
If you fool proof something, all you're doing is making a better fool.
Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
On Thu, Jun 25, 2015 at 4:17 PM, Bill Prince part15...@gmail.com wrote:
Absotutely. I actually had a subscriber argue with me about the correct
connection required for a Tycon POE (which I consider fairly straightforward
and easy to understand). Yet he insisted that it be connected the opposite way.
Where upon, I had to reverse the connection, show him that it worked. Only
then was he satisfied that it was correct, but poorly labeled.
At that point, I covered up the Tycon labeling, and pasted on labeling that
satisfied him. Now everybody is happy.
Never underestimate the ability of a non-technical person to misunderstand
labels and/or instructions.
bp
part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com
On 6/25/2015 1:10 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:
Are you serious? There was a bright red sticker on Pac/Tycon POEs and
people still screwed it up.
Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
On Thu, Jun 25, 2015 at 4:02 PM, Paul McCall pa...@pdmnet.net wrote:
Sean, what is the major complaint? Is it that the installer or customer
gets confused which port goes where? You could put stickers on things to avoid
that.
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Sean Heskett
Sent: Thursday, June 25, 2015 3:57 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Cc: memb...@wispa.org
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Canopy POE end of life :-/
Ray can you please come and hang out with one of my clients for a day and
hand them each POE and see which one they can hook up and which one they can't??
Just because you have made this decision doesn't mean it's a good
decision and we are asking cambium to reconsider. The new POE sucks! Period!
2cents
On Thursday, June 25, 2015, Ray Savich ray.sav...@cambiumnetworks.com
wrote:
Check out the details at
http://community.cambiumnetworks.com/t5/PMP-450/Canopy-POE-end-of-life/m-p/41732
Ray
Join the Conversation
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From: members-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:members-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Sean Heskett
Sent: Thursday, June 25, 2015 10:38 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Cc: memb...@wispa.org
Subject: Re: [WISPA Members] Canopy POE end of life :-/
Thanks for the link josh. They normally cost ~$10 so the eBay price of
$24 is someone trying to make a buck on them before they are gone. Also
eventually eBay will run out too so that's not a long term solution.
Come on cambium listen to your long time loyal customers!
-Sean
On Thursday, June 25, 2015, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com
wrote:
http://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_from=R40_trksid=p2050601.m570.l1313.TR0.TRC0.H0.Xcanopy+power+supply.TRS0_nkw=canopy+power+supply_sacat=0
Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
On Thu, Jun 25, 2015 at 11:24 AM, Sean Heskett af...@zirkel.us wrote:
Dear Cambium,
Why won't you let us buy the ACPSSW-13B POE if we still want to?
It's very frustrating that we now have to change our install procedures
AND our tech support procedures. The new POE is also very cumbersome and prone
to clients plugging things in backwards etc.
Can you either keep selling them or give us access to the manufacturer so
that we can still buy them?
-Sean
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Re: [AFMUG] Canopy POE end of life :-/
In addition to the useability factors the old Poe was $8 the new one is $20 + a cable $4 so 3x the cost per install now :-/ I fail to see why cambium can't allow us to buy which ever one we want. On Thursday, June 25, 2015, Ray Savich ray.sav...@cambiumnetworks.com wrote: Check out the details at http://community.cambiumnetworks.com/t5/PMP-450/Canopy-POE-end-of-life/m-p/41732 Ray Join the Conversation Cambium Networks Community Forum http://community.cambiumnetworks.com/ *From:* members-boun...@wispa.org javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','members-boun...@wispa.org'); [mailto: members-boun...@wispa.org javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','members-boun...@wispa.org');] *On Behalf Of *Sean Heskett *Sent:* Thursday, June 25, 2015 10:38 AM *To:* af@afmug.com javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','af@afmug.com'); *Cc:* memb...@wispa.org javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','memb...@wispa.org'); *Subject:* Re: [WISPA Members] Canopy POE end of life :-/ Thanks for the link josh. They normally cost ~$10 so the eBay price of $24 is someone trying to make a buck on them before they are gone. Also eventually eBay will run out too so that's not a long term solution. Come on cambium listen to your long time loyal customers! -Sean On Thursday, June 25, 2015, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','j...@imaginenetworksllc.com'); wrote: http://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_from=R40_trksid=p2050601.m570.l1313.TR0.TRC0.H0.Xcanopy+power+supply.TRS0_nkw=canopy+power+supply_sacat=0 Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Thu, Jun 25, 2015 at 11:24 AM, Sean Heskett af...@zirkel.us wrote: Dear Cambium, Why won't you let us buy the ACPSSW-13B POE if we still want to? It's very frustrating that we now have to change our install procedures AND our tech support procedures. The new POE is also very cumbersome and prone to clients plugging things in backwards etc. Can you either keep selling them or give us access to the manufacturer so that we can still buy them? -Sean ___ Members mailing list memb...@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/members
Re: [AFMUG] Canopy POE end of life :-/
I keep waiting for Ray to say if you buy this you don’t need the POE: http://www.cambiumnetworks.com/products/c3voip200 From: Sean Heskett Sent: Thursday, June 25, 2015 3:44 PM To: af@afmug.com Cc: memb...@wispa.org Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Canopy POE end of life :-/ Our solution for now is we purchased a year and a half supply of them. :-P On Thursday, June 25, 2015, Ray Savich ray.sav...@cambiumnetworks.com wrote: Check out the details at http://community.cambiumnetworks.com/t5/PMP-450/Canopy-POE-end-of-life/m-p/41732 Ray Join the Conversation Cambium Networks Community Forum From: javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','members-boun...@wispa.org'); [mailto:javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','members-boun...@wispa.org');] On Behalf Of Sean Heskett Sent: Thursday, June 25, 2015 10:38 AM To: javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','af@afmug.com'); Cc: javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','memb...@wispa.org'); Subject: Re: [WISPA Members] Canopy POE end of life :-/ Thanks for the link josh. They normally cost ~$10 so the eBay price of $24 is someone trying to make a buck on them before they are gone. Also eventually eBay will run out too so that's not a long term solution. Come on cambium listen to your long time loyal customers! -Sean On Thursday, June 25, 2015, Josh Luthman javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','j...@imaginenetworksllc.com'); wrote: http://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_from=R40_trksid=p2050601.m570.l1313.TR0.TRC0.H0.Xcanopy+power+supply.TRS0_nkw=canopy+power+supply_sacat=0 Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Thu, Jun 25, 2015 at 11:24 AM, Sean Heskett af...@zirkel.us wrote: Dear Cambium, Why won't you let us buy the ACPSSW-13B POE if we still want to? It's very frustrating that we now have to change our install procedures AND our tech support procedures. The new POE is also very cumbersome and prone to clients plugging things in backwards etc. Can you either keep selling them or give us access to the manufacturer so that we can still buy them? -Sean ___ Members mailing list memb...@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/members
Re: [AFMUG] Canopy POE end of life :-/
Damn Ken… you beat me to it!! I was going to say that. Matt From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Ken Hohhof Sent: Thursday, June 25, 2015 4:05 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Canopy POE end of life :-/ I keep waiting for Ray to say if you buy this you don’t need the POE: http://www.cambiumnetworks.com/products/c3voip200 From: Sean Heskettmailto:af...@zirkel.us Sent: Thursday, June 25, 2015 3:44 PM To: af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com Cc: memb...@wispa.orgmailto:memb...@wispa.org Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Canopy POE end of life :-/ Our solution for now is we purchased a year and a half supply of them. :-P On Thursday, June 25, 2015, Ray Savich ray.sav...@cambiumnetworks.commailto:ray.sav...@cambiumnetworks.com wrote: Check out the details at http://community.cambiumnetworks.com/t5/PMP-450/Canopy-POE-end-of-life/m-p/41732 Ray Join the Conversation Cambium Networks Community Forumhttp://community.cambiumnetworks.com/ From: javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','members-boun...@wispa.org'); [mailto:javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','members-boun...@wispa.org');] On Behalf Of Sean Heskett Sent: Thursday, June 25, 2015 10:38 AM To: javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','af@afmug.com'); Cc: javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','memb...@wispa.org'); Subject: Re: [WISPA Members] Canopy POE end of life :-/ Thanks for the link josh. They normally cost ~$10 so the eBay price of $24 is someone trying to make a buck on them before they are gone. Also eventually eBay will run out too so that's not a long term solution. Come on cambium listen to your long time loyal customers! -Sean On Thursday, June 25, 2015, Josh Luthman javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','j...@imaginenetworksllc.com'); wrote: http://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_from=R40_trksid=p2050601.m570.l1313.TR0.TRC0.H0.Xcanopy+power+supply.TRS0_nkw=canopy+power+supply_sacat=0 Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Thu, Jun 25, 2015 at 11:24 AM, Sean Heskett af...@zirkel.usmailto:af...@zirkel.us wrote: Dear Cambium, Why won't you let us buy the ACPSSW-13B POE if we still want to? It's very frustrating that we now have to change our install procedures AND our tech support procedures. The new POE is also very cumbersome and prone to clients plugging things in backwards etc. Can you either keep selling them or give us access to the manufacturer so that we can still buy them? -Sean ___ Members mailing list memb...@wispa.orgmailto:memb...@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/members
Re: [AFMUG] Canopy POE end of life :-/
blacbox On Thu, Jun 25, 2015 at 10:38 AM, Sean Heskett af...@zirkel.us wrote: Thanks for the link josh. They normally cost ~$10 so the eBay price of $24 is someone trying to make a buck on them before they are gone. Also eventually eBay will run out too so that's not a long term solution. Come on cambium listen to your long time loyal customers! -Sean On Thursday, June 25, 2015, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: http://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_from=R40_trksid=p2050601.m570.l1313.TR0.TRC0.H0.Xcanopy+power+supply.TRS0_nkw=canopy+power+supply_sacat=0 Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Thu, Jun 25, 2015 at 11:24 AM, Sean Heskett af...@zirkel.us wrote: Dear Cambium, Why won't you let us buy the ACPSSW-13B POE if we still want to? It's very frustrating that we now have to change our install procedures AND our tech support procedures. The new POE is also very cumbersome and prone to clients plugging things in backwards etc. Can you either keep selling them or give us access to the manufacturer so that we can still buy them? -Sean ___ Members mailing list memb...@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/members -- If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.
Re: [AFMUG] Canopy POE end of life :-/
Thanks for the link josh. They normally cost ~$10 so the eBay price of $24 is someone trying to make a buck on them before they are gone. Also eventually eBay will run out too so that's not a long term solution. Come on cambium listen to your long time loyal customers! -Sean On Thursday, June 25, 2015, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: http://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_from=R40_trksid=p2050601.m570.l1313.TR0.TRC0.H0.Xcanopy+power+supply.TRS0_nkw=canopy+power+supply_sacat=0 Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Thu, Jun 25, 2015 at 11:24 AM, Sean Heskett af...@zirkel.us javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','af...@zirkel.us'); wrote: Dear Cambium, Why won't you let us buy the ACPSSW-13B POE if we still want to? It's very frustrating that we now have to change our install procedures AND our tech support procedures. The new POE is also very cumbersome and prone to clients plugging things in backwards etc. Can you either keep selling them or give us access to the manufacturer so that we can still buy them? -Sean ___ Members mailing list memb...@wispa.org javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','memb...@wispa.org'); http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/members
Re: [AFMUG] Canopy POE end of life :-/
I resent the assertion that my customers are stupider than a cave man. I know, sounds like someone woke up on the wrong side of the rock. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cRRlEyplGQ8 From: Steve D Sent: Thursday, June 25, 2015 11:23 AM To: af Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Canopy POE end of life :-/ Is Cambium moving to an 802.3af future? At some point I'd love to see that. Thought I read the 450i or d was doing that. At least then we could source our own parts if we wanted to. I can't recall exactly, but I'm pretty sure a camera I installed in the last year or two had a very similar design to its POE, can't remember the brand though. I'd like to see both form factors available for POE's though. The old style for residential stuff and the new one for any kind of enterprise stuff where we need to mount things away from the switch or router. The old style never really fit in rack or wall mount systems and was tough to keep tidy (relatively speaking). And sometimes, trying to fit the wall wart onto a full surge bar was a PITA. However, the comment so easy a caveman could do it is so absolutely true - you really had to go out of your way to plug it in wrong. -Steve D On Thu, Jun 25, 2015 at 8:24 AM, Sean Heskett af...@zirkel.us wrote: Dear Cambium, Why won't you let us buy the ACPSSW-13B POE if we still want to? It's very frustrating that we now have to change our install procedures AND our tech support procedures. The new POE is also very cumbersome and prone to clients plugging things in backwards etc. Can you either keep selling them or give us access to the manufacturer so that we can still buy them? -Sean
Re: [AFMUG] Canopy POE end of life :-/
Dear Cambium, Why won't you let us buy the ACPSSW-13B POE if we still want to? It's very frustrating that we now have to change our install procedures AND our tech support procedures. The new POE is also very cumbersome and prone to clients plugging things in backwards etc. Can you either keep selling them or give us access to the manufacturer so that we can still buy them? +1 Or make a a POE with built in wifi that costs less then $40. Run Mikrotik OS on it preferably, something that supports IPv6 etc.
Re: [AFMUG] Canopy POE end of life :-/
Is Cambium moving to an 802.3af future? At some point I'd love to see that. Thought I read the 450i or d was doing that. At least then we could source our own parts if we wanted to. I can't recall exactly, but I'm pretty sure a camera I installed in the last year or two had a very similar design to its POE, can't remember the brand though. I'd like to see both form factors available for POE's though. The old style for residential stuff and the new one for any kind of enterprise stuff where we need to mount things away from the switch or router. The old style never really fit in rack or wall mount systems and was tough to keep tidy (relatively speaking). And sometimes, trying to fit the wall wart onto a full surge bar was a PITA. However, the comment so easy a caveman could do it is so absolutely true - you really had to go out of your way to plug it in wrong. -Steve D On Thu, Jun 25, 2015 at 8:24 AM, Sean Heskett af...@zirkel.us wrote: Dear Cambium, Why won't you let us buy the ACPSSW-13B POE if we still want to? It's very frustrating that we now have to change our install procedures AND our tech support procedures. The new POE is also very cumbersome and prone to clients plugging things in backwards etc. Can you either keep selling them or give us access to the manufacturer so that we can still buy them? -Sean
Re: [AFMUG] Canopy POE end of life :-/
My epmp poe writing on which port is what is dark like the markings have
faded
On Jun 25, 2015 11:43 AM, Bill Prince part15...@gmail.com wrote:
And yet, we have a contingent of subscribers that manage to do it the
wrong way with multiple variations.
bp
part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com
On 6/25/2015 9:23 AM, Steve D wrote:
However, the comment so easy a caveman could do it is so absolutely
true - you really had to go out of your way to plug it in wrong.
Re: [AFMUG] Canopy POE end of life :-/
RouterOS supports IPv6. Wouldn't it be sweet if the map2n had POE out? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Thu, Jun 25, 2015 at 12:04 PM, Matt matt.mailingli...@gmail.com wrote: Dear Cambium, Why won't you let us buy the ACPSSW-13B POE if we still want to? It's very frustrating that we now have to change our install procedures AND our tech support procedures. The new POE is also very cumbersome and prone to clients plugging things in backwards etc. Can you either keep selling them or give us access to the manufacturer so that we can still buy them? +1 Or make a a POE with built in wifi that costs less then $40. Run Mikrotik OS on it preferably, something that supports IPv6 etc.
Re: [AFMUG] Canopy POE end of life :-/
I imagine they want to move to gigE-capable PSUs and since the old design with the connection in the pigtail won't support that, it's time for a change. The training difference is minor if you already have the .AF PMP320 PSUs. On Jun 25, 2015 10:24 AM, Sean Heskett af...@zirkel.us wrote: Dear Cambium, Why won't you let us buy the ACPSSW-13B POE if we still want to? It's very frustrating that we now have to change our install procedures AND our tech support procedures. The new POE is also very cumbersome and prone to clients plugging things in backwards etc. Can you either keep selling them or give us access to the manufacturer so that we can still buy them? -Sean
Re: [AFMUG] Canopy POE end of life :-/
I honestly hate the epmp poe and the old ones are so easy a cave man can do it On Jun 25, 2015 10:45 AM, That One Guy /sarcasm thatoneguyst...@gmail.com wrote: blacbox On Thu, Jun 25, 2015 at 10:38 AM, Sean Heskett af...@zirkel.us wrote: Thanks for the link josh. They normally cost ~$10 so the eBay price of $24 is someone trying to make a buck on them before they are gone. Also eventually eBay will run out too so that's not a long term solution. Come on cambium listen to your long time loyal customers! -Sean On Thursday, June 25, 2015, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: http://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_from=R40_trksid=p2050601.m570.l1313.TR0.TRC0.H0.Xcanopy+power+supply.TRS0_nkw=canopy+power+supply_sacat=0 Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Thu, Jun 25, 2015 at 11:24 AM, Sean Heskett af...@zirkel.us wrote: Dear Cambium, Why won't you let us buy the ACPSSW-13B POE if we still want to? It's very frustrating that we now have to change our install procedures AND our tech support procedures. The new POE is also very cumbersome and prone to clients plugging things in backwards etc. Can you either keep selling them or give us access to the manufacturer so that we can still buy them? -Sean ___ Members mailing list memb...@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/members -- If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.
Re: [AFMUG] Canopy POE end of life :-/
If you can really get $24 for them on eBay, I need to look for any NIB ones I have laying around. That’s more than I can get for PMP100 SMs. Who would have thought the POEs would be worth more than the radios. From: joseph marsh Sent: Thursday, June 25, 2015 10:53 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Canopy POE end of life :-/ I honestly hate the epmp poe and the old ones are so easy a cave man can do it On Jun 25, 2015 10:45 AM, That One Guy /sarcasm thatoneguyst...@gmail.com wrote: blacbox On Thu, Jun 25, 2015 at 10:38 AM, Sean Heskett af...@zirkel.us wrote: Thanks for the link josh. They normally cost ~$10 so the eBay price of $24 is someone trying to make a buck on them before they are gone. Also eventually eBay will run out too so that's not a long term solution. Come on cambium listen to your long time loyal customers! -Sean On Thursday, June 25, 2015, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: http://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_from=R40_trksid=p2050601.m570.l1313.TR0.TRC0.H0.Xcanopy+power+supply.TRS0_nkw=canopy+power+supply_sacat=0 Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Thu, Jun 25, 2015 at 11:24 AM, Sean Heskett af...@zirkel.us wrote: Dear Cambium, Why won't you let us buy the ACPSSW-13B POE if we still want to? It's very frustrating that we now have to change our install procedures AND our tech support procedures. The new POE is also very cumbersome and prone to clients plugging things in backwards etc. Can you either keep selling them or give us access to the manufacturer so that we can still buy them? -Sean ___ Members mailing list memb...@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/members -- If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.
Re: [AFMUG] Canopy POE end of life :-/
And yet, we have a contingent of subscribers that manage to do it the
wrong way with multiple variations.
bp
part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com
On 6/25/2015 9:23 AM, Steve D wrote:
However, the comment so easy a caveman could do it is so absolutely
true - you really had to go out of your way to plug it in wrong.
Re: [AFMUG] Canopy POE end of life :-/
What SM can do more than 100mbps in one direction That's fine if they want to sell the new POEs with whatever new product is coming out but at least let us buy the old ones if we want to. Completely removing them from the market is really frustrating. We never drank the 320 koolaid. Even the Telrad POE for the subscriber side is gigabit and caveman proof. The new cambium one is just dumb. 2cents Sean On Thursday, June 25, 2015, Colin Stanners cstann...@gmail.com wrote: I imagine they want to move to gigE-capable PSUs and since the old design with the connection in the pigtail won't support that, it's time for a change. The training difference is minor if you already have the .AF PMP320 PSUs. On Jun 25, 2015 10:24 AM, Sean Heskett af...@zirkel.us javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','af...@zirkel.us'); wrote: Dear Cambium, Why won't you let us buy the ACPSSW-13B POE if we still want to? It's very frustrating that we now have to change our install procedures AND our tech support procedures. The new POE is also very cumbersome and prone to clients plugging things in backwards etc. Can you either keep selling them or give us access to the manufacturer so that we can still buy them? -Sean
Re: [AFMUG] Canopy POE end of life :-/
Wellthe Telrad PoE for the 7000SU is similar to Canopy, with a built in pigtail that plugs into the customer router/PC...albeit slightly longer. Every previous generation of Telrad/Alvarion had a midspan POE. On 6/25/2015 12:59 PM, Sean Heskett wrote: What SM can do more than 100mbps in one direction That's fine if they want to sell the new POEs with whatever new product is coming out but at least let us buy the old ones if we want to. Completely removing them from the market is really frustrating. We never drank the 320 koolaid. Even the Telrad POE for the subscriber side is gigabit and caveman proof. The new cambium one is just dumb. 2cents Sean On Thursday, June 25, 2015, Colin Stanners cstann...@gmail.com mailto:cstann...@gmail.com wrote: I imagine they want to move to gigE-capable PSUs and since the old design with the connection in the pigtail won't support that, it's time for a change. The training difference is minor if you already have the .AF PMP320 PSUs. On Jun 25, 2015 10:24 AM, Sean Heskett af...@zirkel.us javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','af...@zirkel.us'); wrote: Dear Cambium, Why won't you let us buy the ACPSSW-13B POE if we still want to? It's very frustrating that we now have to change our install procedures AND our tech support procedures. The new POE is also very cumbersome and prone to clients plugging things in backwards etc. Can you either keep selling them or give us access to the manufacturer so that we can still buy them? -Sean
Re: [AFMUG] Canopy POE end of life :-/
RouterOS supports IPv6. Wouldn't it be sweet if the map2n had POE out? http://routerboard.com/RBmAP2n has POE out. Unfortunately we have found that with a 50 foot cat5 run and surge arrestor many times it will not power the SM. With a vary short cat5 run it will though. A POE crossover is required.
Re: [AFMUG] Canopy POE end of life :-/
Did you have a big enough power supply to the map2n? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Thu, Jun 25, 2015 at 1:29 PM, Matt matt.mailingli...@gmail.com wrote: RouterOS supports IPv6. Wouldn't it be sweet if the map2n had POE out? http://routerboard.com/RBmAP2n has POE out. Unfortunately we have found that with a 50 foot cat5 run and surge arrestor many times it will not power the SM. With a vary short cat5 run it will though. A POE crossover is required.
Re: [AFMUG] Canopy POE end of life :-/
Matt, Few of us like the old power supply, can you put us in touch with your source so we can continue to buy that power supply? Tushar On Jun 25, 2015, at 4:29 PM, Matt Mangriotis matt.mangrio...@cambiumnetworks.com wrote: Damn Ken… you beat me to it!! I was going to say that. Matt From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Ken Hohhof Sent: Thursday, June 25, 2015 4:05 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Canopy POE end of life :-/ I keep waiting for Ray to say if you buy this you don’t need the POE: http://www.cambiumnetworks.com/products/c3voip200 From: Sean Heskett Sent: Thursday, June 25, 2015 3:44 PM To: af@afmug.com Cc: memb...@wispa.org Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Canopy POE end of life :-/ Our solution for now is we purchased a year and a half supply of them. :-P On Thursday, June 25, 2015, Ray Savich ray.sav...@cambiumnetworks.com wrote: Check out the details at http://community.cambiumnetworks.com/t5/PMP-450/Canopy-POE-end-of-life/m-p/41732 Ray Join the Conversation Cambium Networks Community Forum From: javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','members-boun...@wispa.org'); [mailto:javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','members-boun...@wispa.org');] On Behalf Of Sean Heskett Sent: Thursday, June 25, 2015 10:38 AM To: javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','af@afmug.com'); Cc: javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','memb...@wispa.org'); Subject: Re: [WISPA Members] Canopy POE end of life :-/ Thanks for the link josh. They normally cost ~$10 so the eBay price of $24 is someone trying to make a buck on them before they are gone. Also eventually eBay will run out too so that's not a long term solution. Come on cambium listen to your long time loyal customers! -Sean On Thursday, June 25, 2015, Josh Luthman javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','j...@imaginenetworksllc.com'); wrote: http://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_from=R40_trksid=p2050601.m570.l1313.TR0.TRC0.H0.Xcanopy+power+supply.TRS0_nkw=canopy+power+supply_sacat=0 Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Thu, Jun 25, 2015 at 11:24 AM, Sean Heskett af...@zirkel.us wrote: Dear Cambium, Why won't you let us buy the ACPSSW-13B POE if we still want to? It's very frustrating that we now have to change our install procedures AND our tech support procedures. The new POE is also very cumbersome and prone to clients plugging things in backwards etc. Can you either keep selling them or give us access to the manufacturer so that we can still buy them? -Sean ___ Members mailing list memb...@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/members
Re: [AFMUG] Canopy POE end of life :-/
so then instead of an $8 point of failure (when lightning strikes) we now have a $80 point of failure...how is that better??? On Thu, Jun 25, 2015 at 3:04 PM, Ken Hohhof af...@kwisp.com wrote: I keep waiting for Ray to say if you buy this you don’t need the POE: http://www.cambiumnetworks.com/products/c3voip200 *From:* Sean Heskett af...@zirkel.us *Sent:* Thursday, June 25, 2015 3:44 PM *To:* af@afmug.com *Cc:* memb...@wispa.org *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Canopy POE end of life :-/ Our solution for now is we purchased a year and a half supply of them. :-P On Thursday, June 25, 2015, Ray Savich ray.sav...@cambiumnetworks.com wrote: Check out the details at http://community.cambiumnetworks.com/t5/PMP-450/Canopy-POE-end-of-life/m-p/41732 Ray Join the Conversation Cambium Networks Community Forum http://community.cambiumnetworks.com/ *From:* javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','members-boun...@wispa.org'); [mailto:javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','members-boun...@wispa.org');] *On Behalf Of *Sean Heskett *Sent:* Thursday, June 25, 2015 10:38 AM *To:* javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','af@afmug.com'); *Cc:* javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','memb...@wispa.org'); *Subject:* Re: [WISPA Members] Canopy POE end of life :-/ Thanks for the link josh. They normally cost ~$10 so the eBay price of $24 is someone trying to make a buck on them before they are gone. Also eventually eBay will run out too so that's not a long term solution. Come on cambium listen to your long time loyal customers! -Sean On Thursday, June 25, 2015, Josh Luthman javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','j...@imaginenetworksllc.com'); wrote: http://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_from=R40_trksid=p2050601.m570.l1313.TR0.TRC0.H0.Xcanopy+power+supply.TRS0_nkw=canopy+power+supply_sacat=0 Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Thu, Jun 25, 2015 at 11:24 AM, Sean Heskett af...@zirkel.us wrote: Dear Cambium, Why won't you let us buy the ACPSSW-13B POE if we still want to? It's very frustrating that we now have to change our install procedures AND our tech support procedures. The new POE is also very cumbersome and prone to clients plugging things in backwards etc. Can you either keep selling them or give us access to the manufacturer so that we can still buy them? -Sean ___ Members mailing list memb...@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/members
Re: [AFMUG] Canopy POE end of life :-/
I don’t believe the old POE had any surge protection, didn’t lighting take out the router anyway? From: Sean Heskett Sent: Thursday, June 25, 2015 4:35 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Canopy POE end of life :-/ so then instead of an $8 point of failure (when lightning strikes) we now have a $80 point of failure...how is that better??? On Thu, Jun 25, 2015 at 3:04 PM, Ken Hohhof af...@kwisp.com wrote: I keep waiting for Ray to say if you buy this you don’t need the POE: http://www.cambiumnetworks.com/products/c3voip200 From: Sean Heskett Sent: Thursday, June 25, 2015 3:44 PM To: af@afmug.com Cc: memb...@wispa.org Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Canopy POE end of life :-/ Our solution for now is we purchased a year and a half supply of them. :-P On Thursday, June 25, 2015, Ray Savich ray.sav...@cambiumnetworks.com wrote: Check out the details at http://community.cambiumnetworks.com/t5/PMP-450/Canopy-POE-end-of-life/m-p/41732 Ray Join the Conversation Cambium Networks Community Forum From: javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','members-boun...@wispa.org'); [mailto:javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','members-boun...@wispa.org');] On Behalf Of Sean Heskett Sent: Thursday, June 25, 2015 10:38 AM To: javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','af@afmug.com'); Cc: javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','memb...@wispa.org'); Subject: Re: [WISPA Members] Canopy POE end of life :-/ Thanks for the link josh. They normally cost ~$10 so the eBay price of $24 is someone trying to make a buck on them before they are gone. Also eventually eBay will run out too so that's not a long term solution. Come on cambium listen to your long time loyal customers! -Sean On Thursday, June 25, 2015, Josh Luthman javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','j...@imaginenetworksllc.com'); wrote: http://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_from=R40_trksid=p2050601.m570.l1313.TR0.TRC0.H0.Xcanopy+power+supply.TRS0_nkw=canopy+power+supply_sacat=0 Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Thu, Jun 25, 2015 at 11:24 AM, Sean Heskett af...@zirkel.us wrote: Dear Cambium, Why won't you let us buy the ACPSSW-13B POE if we still want to? It's very frustrating that we now have to change our install procedures AND our tech support procedures. The new POE is also very cumbersome and prone to clients plugging things in backwards etc. Can you either keep selling them or give us access to the manufacturer so that we can still buy them? -Sean ___ Members mailing list memb...@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/members
Re: [AFMUG] Canopy POE end of life :-/
I Just came across this again today, seems to fit the conversation. SRC: https://xkcd.com/1172/ Workflow On 6/25/2015 9:10 PM, Chuck McCown wrote: I was using phihong power supplies 20+ years ago. *From:* Ken Hohhof mailto:af...@kwisp.com *Sent:* Thursday, June 25, 2015 6:20 PM *To:* af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Canopy POE end of life :-/ The one I have sitting here says Phihong but it’s old enough to be Motorola not Cambium. If Cambium was worried about losing a bunch of sales, they wouldn’t be dropping the product. My guess is it’s a minimum order thing. They probably have to order X thousands at a time and the last order took them a year or two to unload to distributors, and it was time to decide whether to order another container load of them and have them take up warehouse space, plus now they would be carrying two versions of POE. So if CTI or another distributor wanted to order a bunch direct from the manufacturer (or a knockoff from somewhere else), it would be reasonable to expect Cambium to give the OK. I wouldn’t expect them to cry over the lost revenue though. *From:* TJ Trout mailto:t...@voltbb.com *Sent:* Thursday, June 25, 2015 7:12 PM *To:* af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Canopy POE end of life :-/ That will be really funny if CTI sources them and moto looses out on a bunch of sales, lol On Thu, Jun 25, 2015 at 5:03 PM, Colin Stanners cstann...@gmail.com mailto:cstann...@gmail.com wrote: With the speed keys and regional variants they have a large amount of product stock already, I imagine they're not trying to keep old items and didn't see a big reason people would want the old-style PSUs. I thought CTI had gotten some PSUs straight from the manufacturer years ago when there was a Motorola shortage, you could check with them. On Thu, Jun 25, 2015 at 6:47 PM, Sean Heskett af...@zirkel.us mailto:af...@zirkel.us wrote: Which is great...for you. Why can't I have a choice? Why are they taking it away if there is still demand? Why won't they let us go straight to whatever manufacturer they get them from?? On Thursday, June 25, 2015, Colin Stanners cstann...@gmail.com mailto:cstann...@gmail.com wrote: I'm one of those that prefer the new PoE: -less outlet space needed -gigabit option (current 450 SMs can reach 75mbit down so it's likely next generation will hit 100+) -can choose whatever cable length is needed to go to PC/router. -won't have the broken RJ tab / wires pulling out of the RJ due to cable weight issues of the current PoE model With very big TO COMPUTER / ROUTER TO OUTSIDE ANTENNA labels, on both sides of the unit, customer wiring mistakes will be almost eliminated. I haven't seen that as a big problem on the PMP320. On Thu, Jun 25, 2015 at 2:57 PM, Sean Heskett af...@zirkel.us wrote: Ray can you please come and hang out with one of my clients for a day and hand them each POE and see which one they can hook up and which one they can't?? Just because you have made this decision doesn't mean it's a good decision and we are asking cambium to reconsider. The new POE sucks! Period! 2cents On Thursday, June 25, 2015, Ray Savich ray.sav...@cambiumnetworks.com wrote: Check out the details at http://community.cambiumnetworks.com/t5/PMP-450/Canopy-POE-end-of-life/m-p/41732 Ray Join the Conversation Cambium Networks Community Forum http://community.cambiumnetworks.com/ *From:*members-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:members-boun...@wispa.org] *On Behalf Of *Sean Heskett *Sent:* Thursday, June 25, 2015 10:38 AM *To:* af@afmug.com *Cc:* memb...@wispa.org *Subject:* Re: [WISPA Members] Canopy POE end of life :-/ Thanks for the link josh. They normally cost ~$10 so the eBay price of $24 is someone trying to make a buck on them before they are gone. Also eventually eBay will run out too so that's not a long term solution. Come on cambium listen to your long time loyal customers! -Sean On Thursday, June 25, 2015, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: http://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_from=R40_trksid=p2050601.m570.l1313
Re: [AFMUG] Canopy POE end of life :-/
I was using phihong power supplies 20+ years ago. From: Ken Hohhof Sent: Thursday, June 25, 2015 6:20 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Canopy POE end of life :-/ The one I have sitting here says Phihong but it’s old enough to be Motorola not Cambium. If Cambium was worried about losing a bunch of sales, they wouldn’t be dropping the product. My guess is it’s a minimum order thing. They probably have to order X thousands at a time and the last order took them a year or two to unload to distributors, and it was time to decide whether to order another container load of them and have them take up warehouse space, plus now they would be carrying two versions of POE. So if CTI or another distributor wanted to order a bunch direct from the manufacturer (or a knockoff from somewhere else), it would be reasonable to expect Cambium to give the OK. I wouldn’t expect them to cry over the lost revenue though. From: TJ Trout Sent: Thursday, June 25, 2015 7:12 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Canopy POE end of life :-/ That will be really funny if CTI sources them and moto looses out on a bunch of sales, lol On Thu, Jun 25, 2015 at 5:03 PM, Colin Stanners cstann...@gmail.com wrote: With the speed keys and regional variants they have a large amount of product stock already, I imagine they're not trying to keep old items and didn't see a big reason people would want the old-style PSUs. I thought CTI had gotten some PSUs straight from the manufacturer years ago when there was a Motorola shortage, you could check with them. On Thu, Jun 25, 2015 at 6:47 PM, Sean Heskett af...@zirkel.us wrote: Which is great...for you. Why can't I have a choice? Why are they taking it away if there is still demand? Why won't they let us go straight to whatever manufacturer they get them from?? On Thursday, June 25, 2015, Colin Stanners cstann...@gmail.com wrote: I'm one of those that prefer the new PoE: -less outlet space needed -gigabit option (current 450 SMs can reach 75mbit down so it's likely next generation will hit 100+) -can choose whatever cable length is needed to go to PC/router. -won't have the broken RJ tab / wires pulling out of the RJ due to cable weight issues of the current PoE model With very big TO COMPUTER / ROUTER TO OUTSIDE ANTENNA labels, on both sides of the unit, customer wiring mistakes will be almost eliminated. I haven't seen that as a big problem on the PMP320. On Thu, Jun 25, 2015 at 2:57 PM, Sean Heskett af...@zirkel.us wrote: Ray can you please come and hang out with one of my clients for a day and hand them each POE and see which one they can hook up and which one they can't?? Just because you have made this decision doesn't mean it's a good decision and we are asking cambium to reconsider. The new POE sucks! Period! 2cents On Thursday, June 25, 2015, Ray Savich ray.sav...@cambiumnetworks.com wrote: Check out the details at http://community.cambiumnetworks.com/t5/PMP-450/Canopy-POE-end-of-life/m-p/41732 Ray Join the Conversation Cambium Networks Community Forum From: members-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:members-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Sean Heskett Sent: Thursday, June 25, 2015 10:38 AM To: af@afmug.com Cc: memb...@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA Members] Canopy POE end of life :-/ Thanks for the link josh. They normally cost ~$10 so the eBay price of $24 is someone trying to make a buck on them before they are gone. Also eventually eBay will run out too so that's not a long term solution. Come on cambium listen to your long time loyal customers! -Sean On Thursday, June 25, 2015, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: http://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_from=R40_trksid=p2050601.m570.l1313.TR0.TRC0.H0.Xcanopy+power+supply.TRS0_nkw=canopy+power+supply_sacat=0 Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Thu, Jun 25, 2015 at 11:24 AM, Sean Heskett af...@zirkel.us wrote: Dear Cambium, Why won't you let us buy the ACPSSW-13B POE if we still want to? It's very frustrating that we now have to change our install procedures AND our tech support procedures. The new POE is also very cumbersome and prone to clients plugging things in backwards etc. Can you either keep selling them or give us access to the manufacturer so that we can still buy them? -Sean ___ Members mailing list memb...@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/members
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We had the same internal discussion. Customers are stupid. Things can only go one way with the Canopy PoE. However, we've had a lot less SMs lost to surges since we switched to the Laird POE-24iR's. Honestly, it wasn't a hard transition. The techs are able to walk customers through making sure things are plugged in correctly. /shrug And FWIW, your standard POE argument doesn't work. Canopy was baked before there was 802.3af. Cisco aironet, too, which originally used the same pinout as Canopy as well. And Trango. Shit, we were POE hacking Apple AirPorts and RG1000s in late 2002. On 6/25/2015 8:04 PM, Sean Heskett wrote: i'm just saying that the financial decision for carrying the old and new poe goes deeper than how much they may or may not be making on the poe. cambium after all is in the business of selling light bulbs (SMs) and if you need a special socket to use their light bulb it might behoove them to continue selling the socket AND the light bulb. unfortunately this all goes back to the very beginning of not using a standard poe product. by the way we are not planning to move all new installs to telrad that statement was for dramatic effect ;-) -sean On Thu, Jun 25, 2015 at 6:50 PM, Ken Hohhof af...@kwisp.com mailto:af...@kwisp.com wrote: This is sounding like Jack Nicholson trying to get his whole wheat toast in Five Easy Pieces. *From:* Sean Heskett mailto:af...@zirkel.us *Sent:* Thursday, June 25, 2015 7:32 PM *To:* af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Canopy POE end of life :-/ but if i decide to completely move all new installs to telrad they would be very sad puppies. just sayin On Thu, Jun 25, 2015 at 6:26 PM, cstann...@gmail.com mailto:cstann...@gmail.com wrote: How much do you think they make per Canopy PSU after the stockkeeping / freight /organizational work? $3 ? I'm sure losing those sales won't keep them up at night. *From: *TJ Trout t...@voltbb.com mailto:t...@voltbb.com *Sender: *Af af-boun...@afmug.com mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com *Date: *Fri, 26 Jun 2015 00:12:22 + *To: *af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com *ReplyTo: *af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Canopy POE end of life :-/ That will be really funny if CTI sources them and moto looses out on a bunch of sales, lol On Thu, Jun 25, 2015 at 5:03 PM, Colin Stanners cstann...@gmail.com mailto:cstann...@gmail.com wrote: With the speed keys and regional variants they have a large amount of product stock already, I imagine they're not trying to keep old items and didn't see a big reason people would want the old-style PSUs. I thought CTI had gotten some PSUs straight from the manufacturer years ago when there was a Motorola shortage, you could check with them. On Thu, Jun 25, 2015 at 6:47 PM, Sean Heskett af...@zirkel.us mailto:af...@zirkel.us wrote: Which is great...for you. Why can't I have a choice? Why are they taking it away if there is still demand? Why won't they let us go straight to whatever manufacturer they get them from?? On Thursday, June 25, 2015, Colin Stanners cstann...@gmail.com mailto:cstann...@gmail.com wrote: I'm one of those that prefer the new PoE: -less outlet space needed -gigabit option (current 450 SMs can reach 75mbit down so it's likely next generation will hit 100+) -can choose whatever cable length is needed to go to PC/router. -won't have the broken RJ tab / wires pulling out of the RJ due to cable weight issues of the current PoE model With very big TO COMPUTER / ROUTER TO OUTSIDE ANTENNA labels, on both sides of the unit, customer wiring mistakes will be almost eliminated. I haven't seen that as a big problem on the PMP320. On Thu, Jun 25, 2015 at 2:57 PM, Sean Heskett af...@zirkel.us wrote: Ray can you please come and hang out with one of my clients for a day and hand them each POE and see which one they can hook up and which one they can't?? Just because you have made this decision doesn't mean it's a good decision and we are asking cambium to reconsider. The new POE sucks! Period
Re: [AFMUG] Canopy POE end of life :-/
Which is great...for you. Why can't I have a choice? Why are they taking it away if there is still demand? Why won't they let us go straight to whatever manufacturer they get them from?? On Thursday, June 25, 2015, Colin Stanners cstann...@gmail.com wrote: I'm one of those that prefer the new PoE: -less outlet space needed -gigabit option (current 450 SMs can reach 75mbit down so it's likely next generation will hit 100+) -can choose whatever cable length is needed to go to PC/router. -won't have the broken RJ tab / wires pulling out of the RJ due to cable weight issues of the current PoE model With very big TO COMPUTER / ROUTER TO OUTSIDE ANTENNA labels, on both sides of the unit, customer wiring mistakes will be almost eliminated. I haven't seen that as a big problem on the PMP320. On Thu, Jun 25, 2015 at 2:57 PM, Sean Heskett af...@zirkel.us javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','af...@zirkel.us'); wrote: Ray can you please come and hang out with one of my clients for a day and hand them each POE and see which one they can hook up and which one they can't?? Just because you have made this decision doesn't mean it's a good decision and we are asking cambium to reconsider. The new POE sucks! Period! 2cents On Thursday, June 25, 2015, Ray Savich ray.sav...@cambiumnetworks.com javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','ray.sav...@cambiumnetworks.com'); wrote: Check out the details at http://community.cambiumnetworks.com/t5/PMP-450/Canopy-POE-end-of-life/m-p/41732 Ray Join the Conversation Cambium Networks Community Forum http://community.cambiumnetworks.com/ *From:* members-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:members-boun...@wispa.org] *On Behalf Of *Sean Heskett *Sent:* Thursday, June 25, 2015 10:38 AM *To:* af@afmug.com *Cc:* memb...@wispa.org *Subject:* Re: [WISPA Members] Canopy POE end of life :-/ Thanks for the link josh. They normally cost ~$10 so the eBay price of $24 is someone trying to make a buck on them before they are gone. Also eventually eBay will run out too so that's not a long term solution. Come on cambium listen to your long time loyal customers! -Sean On Thursday, June 25, 2015, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: http://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_from=R40_trksid=p2050601.m570.l1313.TR0.TRC0.H0.Xcanopy+power+supply.TRS0_nkw=canopy+power+supply_sacat=0 Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Thu, Jun 25, 2015 at 11:24 AM, Sean Heskett af...@zirkel.us wrote: Dear Cambium, Why won't you let us buy the ACPSSW-13B POE if we still want to? It's very frustrating that we now have to change our install procedures AND our tech support procedures. The new POE is also very cumbersome and prone to clients plugging things in backwards etc. Can you either keep selling them or give us access to the manufacturer so that we can still buy them? -Sean ___ Members mailing list memb...@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/members
Re: [AFMUG] Canopy POE end of life :-/
I'm one of those that prefer the new PoE: -less outlet space needed -gigabit option (current 450 SMs can reach 75mbit down so it's likely next generation will hit 100+) -can choose whatever cable length is needed to go to PC/router. -won't have the broken RJ tab / wires pulling out of the RJ due to cable weight issues of the current PoE model With very big TO COMPUTER / ROUTER TO OUTSIDE ANTENNA labels, on both sides of the unit, customer wiring mistakes will be almost eliminated. I haven't seen that as a big problem on the PMP320. On Thu, Jun 25, 2015 at 2:57 PM, Sean Heskett af...@zirkel.us wrote: Ray can you please come and hang out with one of my clients for a day and hand them each POE and see which one they can hook up and which one they can't?? Just because you have made this decision doesn't mean it's a good decision and we are asking cambium to reconsider. The new POE sucks! Period! 2cents On Thursday, June 25, 2015, Ray Savich ray.sav...@cambiumnetworks.com wrote: Check out the details at http://community.cambiumnetworks.com/t5/PMP-450/Canopy-POE-end-of-life/m-p/41732 Ray Join the Conversation Cambium Networks Community Forum http://community.cambiumnetworks.com/ *From:* members-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:members-boun...@wispa.org] *On Behalf Of *Sean Heskett *Sent:* Thursday, June 25, 2015 10:38 AM *To:* af@afmug.com *Cc:* memb...@wispa.org *Subject:* Re: [WISPA Members] Canopy POE end of life :-/ Thanks for the link josh. They normally cost ~$10 so the eBay price of $24 is someone trying to make a buck on them before they are gone. Also eventually eBay will run out too so that's not a long term solution. Come on cambium listen to your long time loyal customers! -Sean On Thursday, June 25, 2015, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: http://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_from=R40_trksid=p2050601.m570.l1313.TR0.TRC0.H0.Xcanopy+power+supply.TRS0_nkw=canopy+power+supply_sacat=0 Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Thu, Jun 25, 2015 at 11:24 AM, Sean Heskett af...@zirkel.us wrote: Dear Cambium, Why won't you let us buy the ACPSSW-13B POE if we still want to? It's very frustrating that we now have to change our install procedures AND our tech support procedures. The new POE is also very cumbersome and prone to clients plugging things in backwards etc. Can you either keep selling them or give us access to the manufacturer so that we can still buy them? -Sean ___ Members mailing list memb...@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/members
Re: [AFMUG] Canopy POE end of life :-/
With the speed keys and regional variants they have a large amount of product stock already, I imagine they're not trying to keep old items and didn't see a big reason people would want the old-style PSUs. I thought CTI had gotten some PSUs straight from the manufacturer years ago when there was a Motorola shortage, you could check with them. On Thu, Jun 25, 2015 at 6:47 PM, Sean Heskett af...@zirkel.us wrote: Which is great...for you. Why can't I have a choice? Why are they taking it away if there is still demand? Why won't they let us go straight to whatever manufacturer they get them from?? On Thursday, June 25, 2015, Colin Stanners cstann...@gmail.com wrote: I'm one of those that prefer the new PoE: -less outlet space needed -gigabit option (current 450 SMs can reach 75mbit down so it's likely next generation will hit 100+) -can choose whatever cable length is needed to go to PC/router. -won't have the broken RJ tab / wires pulling out of the RJ due to cable weight issues of the current PoE model With very big TO COMPUTER / ROUTER TO OUTSIDE ANTENNA labels, on both sides of the unit, customer wiring mistakes will be almost eliminated. I haven't seen that as a big problem on the PMP320. On Thu, Jun 25, 2015 at 2:57 PM, Sean Heskett af...@zirkel.us wrote: Ray can you please come and hang out with one of my clients for a day and hand them each POE and see which one they can hook up and which one they can't?? Just because you have made this decision doesn't mean it's a good decision and we are asking cambium to reconsider. The new POE sucks! Period! 2cents On Thursday, June 25, 2015, Ray Savich ray.sav...@cambiumnetworks.com wrote: Check out the details at http://community.cambiumnetworks.com/t5/PMP-450/Canopy-POE-end-of-life/m-p/41732 Ray Join the Conversation Cambium Networks Community Forum http://community.cambiumnetworks.com/ *From:* members-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:members-boun...@wispa.org] *On Behalf Of *Sean Heskett *Sent:* Thursday, June 25, 2015 10:38 AM *To:* af@afmug.com *Cc:* memb...@wispa.org *Subject:* Re: [WISPA Members] Canopy POE end of life :-/ Thanks for the link josh. They normally cost ~$10 so the eBay price of $24 is someone trying to make a buck on them before they are gone. Also eventually eBay will run out too so that's not a long term solution. Come on cambium listen to your long time loyal customers! -Sean On Thursday, June 25, 2015, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: http://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_from=R40_trksid=p2050601.m570.l1313.TR0.TRC0.H0.Xcanopy+power+supply.TRS0_nkw=canopy+power+supply_sacat=0 Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Thu, Jun 25, 2015 at 11:24 AM, Sean Heskett af...@zirkel.us wrote: Dear Cambium, Why won't you let us buy the ACPSSW-13B POE if we still want to? It's very frustrating that we now have to change our install procedures AND our tech support procedures. The new POE is also very cumbersome and prone to clients plugging things in backwards etc. Can you either keep selling them or give us access to the manufacturer so that we can still buy them? -Sean ___ Members mailing list memb...@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/members
Re: [AFMUG] Canopy POE end of life :-/
The one I have sitting here says Phihong but it’s old enough to be Motorola not Cambium. If Cambium was worried about losing a bunch of sales, they wouldn’t be dropping the product. My guess is it’s a minimum order thing. They probably have to order X thousands at a time and the last order took them a year or two to unload to distributors, and it was time to decide whether to order another container load of them and have them take up warehouse space, plus now they would be carrying two versions of POE. So if CTI or another distributor wanted to order a bunch direct from the manufacturer (or a knockoff from somewhere else), it would be reasonable to expect Cambium to give the OK. I wouldn’t expect them to cry over the lost revenue though. From: TJ Trout Sent: Thursday, June 25, 2015 7:12 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Canopy POE end of life :-/ That will be really funny if CTI sources them and moto looses out on a bunch of sales, lol On Thu, Jun 25, 2015 at 5:03 PM, Colin Stanners cstann...@gmail.com wrote: With the speed keys and regional variants they have a large amount of product stock already, I imagine they're not trying to keep old items and didn't see a big reason people would want the old-style PSUs. I thought CTI had gotten some PSUs straight from the manufacturer years ago when there was a Motorola shortage, you could check with them. On Thu, Jun 25, 2015 at 6:47 PM, Sean Heskett af...@zirkel.us wrote: Which is great...for you. Why can't I have a choice? Why are they taking it away if there is still demand? Why won't they let us go straight to whatever manufacturer they get them from?? On Thursday, June 25, 2015, Colin Stanners cstann...@gmail.com wrote: I'm one of those that prefer the new PoE: -less outlet space needed -gigabit option (current 450 SMs can reach 75mbit down so it's likely next generation will hit 100+) -can choose whatever cable length is needed to go to PC/router. -won't have the broken RJ tab / wires pulling out of the RJ due to cable weight issues of the current PoE model With very big TO COMPUTER / ROUTER TO OUTSIDE ANTENNA labels, on both sides of the unit, customer wiring mistakes will be almost eliminated. I haven't seen that as a big problem on the PMP320. On Thu, Jun 25, 2015 at 2:57 PM, Sean Heskett af...@zirkel.us wrote: Ray can you please come and hang out with one of my clients for a day and hand them each POE and see which one they can hook up and which one they can't?? Just because you have made this decision doesn't mean it's a good decision and we are asking cambium to reconsider. The new POE sucks! Period! 2cents On Thursday, June 25, 2015, Ray Savich ray.sav...@cambiumnetworks.com wrote: Check out the details at http://community.cambiumnetworks.com/t5/PMP-450/Canopy-POE-end-of-life/m-p/41732 Ray Join the Conversation Cambium Networks Community Forum From: members-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:members-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Sean Heskett Sent: Thursday, June 25, 2015 10:38 AM To: af@afmug.com Cc: memb...@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA Members] Canopy POE end of life :-/ Thanks for the link josh. They normally cost ~$10 so the eBay price of $24 is someone trying to make a buck on them before they are gone. Also eventually eBay will run out too so that's not a long term solution. Come on cambium listen to your long time loyal customers! -Sean On Thursday, June 25, 2015, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: http://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_from=R40_trksid=p2050601.m570.l1313.TR0.TRC0.H0.Xcanopy+power+supply.TRS0_nkw=canopy+power+supply_sacat=0 Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Thu, Jun 25, 2015 at 11:24 AM, Sean Heskett af...@zirkel.us wrote: Dear Cambium, Why won't you let us buy the ACPSSW-13B POE if we still want to? It's very frustrating that we now have to change our install procedures AND our tech support procedures. The new POE is also very cumbersome and prone to clients plugging things in backwards etc. Can you either keep selling them or give us access to the manufacturer so that we can still buy them? -Sean ___ Members mailing list memb...@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/members
Re: [AFMUG] Canopy POE end of life :-/
but if i decide to completely move all new installs to telrad they would be very sad puppies. just sayin On Thu, Jun 25, 2015 at 6:26 PM, cstann...@gmail.com wrote: How much do you think they make per Canopy PSU after the stockkeeping / freight /organizational work? $3 ? I'm sure losing those sales won't keep them up at night. -- *From: * TJ Trout t...@voltbb.com *Sender: * Af af-boun...@afmug.com *Date: *Fri, 26 Jun 2015 00:12:22 + *To: *af@afmug.com *ReplyTo: * af@afmug.com *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Canopy POE end of life :-/ That will be really funny if CTI sources them and moto looses out on a bunch of sales, lol On Thu, Jun 25, 2015 at 5:03 PM, Colin Stanners cstann...@gmail.com wrote: With the speed keys and regional variants they have a large amount of product stock already, I imagine they're not trying to keep old items and didn't see a big reason people would want the old-style PSUs. I thought CTI had gotten some PSUs straight from the manufacturer years ago when there was a Motorola shortage, you could check with them. On Thu, Jun 25, 2015 at 6:47 PM, Sean Heskett af...@zirkel.us wrote: Which is great...for you. Why can't I have a choice? Why are they taking it away if there is still demand? Why won't they let us go straight to whatever manufacturer they get them from?? On Thursday, June 25, 2015, Colin Stanners cstann...@gmail.com wrote: I'm one of those that prefer the new PoE: -less outlet space needed -gigabit option (current 450 SMs can reach 75mbit down so it's likely next generation will hit 100+) -can choose whatever cable length is needed to go to PC/router. -won't have the broken RJ tab / wires pulling out of the RJ due to cable weight issues of the current PoE model With very big TO COMPUTER / ROUTER TO OUTSIDE ANTENNA labels, on both sides of the unit, customer wiring mistakes will be almost eliminated. I haven't seen that as a big problem on the PMP320. On Thu, Jun 25, 2015 at 2:57 PM, Sean Heskett af...@zirkel.us wrote: Ray can you please come and hang out with one of my clients for a day and hand them each POE and see which one they can hook up and which one they can't?? Just because you have made this decision doesn't mean it's a good decision and we are asking cambium to reconsider. The new POE sucks! Period! 2cents On Thursday, June 25, 2015, Ray Savich ray.sav...@cambiumnetworks.com wrote: Check out the details at http://community.cambiumnetworks.com/t5/PMP-450/Canopy-POE-end-of-life/m-p/41732 Ray Join the Conversation Cambium Networks Community Forum http://community.cambiumnetworks.com/ *From:* members-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:members-boun...@wispa.org] *On Behalf Of *Sean Heskett *Sent:* Thursday, June 25, 2015 10:38 AM *To:* af@afmug.com *Cc:* memb...@wispa.org *Subject:* Re: [WISPA Members] Canopy POE end of life :-/ Thanks for the link josh. They normally cost ~$10 so the eBay price of $24 is someone trying to make a buck on them before they are gone. Also eventually eBay will run out too so that's not a long term solution. Come on cambium listen to your long time loyal customers! -Sean On Thursday, June 25, 2015, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: http://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_from=R40_trksid=p2050601.m570.l1313.TR0.TRC0.H0.Xcanopy+power+supply.TRS0_nkw=canopy+power+supply_sacat=0 Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Thu, Jun 25, 2015 at 11:24 AM, Sean Heskett af...@zirkel.us wrote: Dear Cambium, Why won't you let us buy the ACPSSW-13B POE if we still want to? It's very frustrating that we now have to change our install procedures AND our tech support procedures. The new POE is also very cumbersome and prone to clients plugging things in backwards etc. Can you either keep selling them or give us access to the manufacturer so that we can still buy them? -Sean ___ Members mailing list memb...@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/members
Re: [AFMUG] Canopy POE end of life :-/
That will be really funny if CTI sources them and moto looses out on a bunch of sales, lol On Thu, Jun 25, 2015 at 5:03 PM, Colin Stanners cstann...@gmail.com wrote: With the speed keys and regional variants they have a large amount of product stock already, I imagine they're not trying to keep old items and didn't see a big reason people would want the old-style PSUs. I thought CTI had gotten some PSUs straight from the manufacturer years ago when there was a Motorola shortage, you could check with them. On Thu, Jun 25, 2015 at 6:47 PM, Sean Heskett af...@zirkel.us wrote: Which is great...for you. Why can't I have a choice? Why are they taking it away if there is still demand? Why won't they let us go straight to whatever manufacturer they get them from?? On Thursday, June 25, 2015, Colin Stanners cstann...@gmail.com wrote: I'm one of those that prefer the new PoE: -less outlet space needed -gigabit option (current 450 SMs can reach 75mbit down so it's likely next generation will hit 100+) -can choose whatever cable length is needed to go to PC/router. -won't have the broken RJ tab / wires pulling out of the RJ due to cable weight issues of the current PoE model With very big TO COMPUTER / ROUTER TO OUTSIDE ANTENNA labels, on both sides of the unit, customer wiring mistakes will be almost eliminated. I haven't seen that as a big problem on the PMP320. On Thu, Jun 25, 2015 at 2:57 PM, Sean Heskett af...@zirkel.us wrote: Ray can you please come and hang out with one of my clients for a day and hand them each POE and see which one they can hook up and which one they can't?? Just because you have made this decision doesn't mean it's a good decision and we are asking cambium to reconsider. The new POE sucks! Period! 2cents On Thursday, June 25, 2015, Ray Savich ray.sav...@cambiumnetworks.com wrote: Check out the details at http://community.cambiumnetworks.com/t5/PMP-450/Canopy-POE-end-of-life/m-p/41732 Ray Join the Conversation Cambium Networks Community Forum http://community.cambiumnetworks.com/ *From:* members-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:members-boun...@wispa.org] *On Behalf Of *Sean Heskett *Sent:* Thursday, June 25, 2015 10:38 AM *To:* af@afmug.com *Cc:* memb...@wispa.org *Subject:* Re: [WISPA Members] Canopy POE end of life :-/ Thanks for the link josh. They normally cost ~$10 so the eBay price of $24 is someone trying to make a buck on them before they are gone. Also eventually eBay will run out too so that's not a long term solution. Come on cambium listen to your long time loyal customers! -Sean On Thursday, June 25, 2015, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: http://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_from=R40_trksid=p2050601.m570.l1313.TR0.TRC0.H0.Xcanopy+power+supply.TRS0_nkw=canopy+power+supply_sacat=0 Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Thu, Jun 25, 2015 at 11:24 AM, Sean Heskett af...@zirkel.us wrote: Dear Cambium, Why won't you let us buy the ACPSSW-13B POE if we still want to? It's very frustrating that we now have to change our install procedures AND our tech support procedures. The new POE is also very cumbersome and prone to clients plugging things in backwards etc. Can you either keep selling them or give us access to the manufacturer so that we can still buy them? -Sean ___ Members mailing list memb...@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/members
Re: [AFMUG] Canopy POE end of life :-/
How much do you think they make per Canopy PSU after the stockkeeping / freight /organizational work? $3 ? I'm sure losing those sales won't keep them up at night. -Original Message- From: TJ Trout t...@voltbb.com Sender: Af af-boun...@afmug.com Date: Fri, 26 Jun 2015 00:12:22 To: af@afmug.com Reply-To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Canopy POE end of life :-/ That will be really funny if CTI sources them and moto looses out on a bunch of sales, lol On Thu, Jun 25, 2015 at 5:03 PM, Colin Stanners cstann...@gmail.com wrote: With the speed keys and regional variants they have a large amount of product stock already, I imagine they're not trying to keep old items and didn't see a big reason people would want the old-style PSUs. I thought CTI had gotten some PSUs straight from the manufacturer years ago when there was a Motorola shortage, you could check with them. On Thu, Jun 25, 2015 at 6:47 PM, Sean Heskett af...@zirkel.us wrote: Which is great...for you. Why can't I have a choice? Why are they taking it away if there is still demand? Why won't they let us go straight to whatever manufacturer they get them from?? On Thursday, June 25, 2015, Colin Stanners cstann...@gmail.com wrote: I'm one of those that prefer the new PoE: -less outlet space needed -gigabit option (current 450 SMs can reach 75mbit down so it's likely next generation will hit 100+) -can choose whatever cable length is needed to go to PC/router. -won't have the broken RJ tab / wires pulling out of the RJ due to cable weight issues of the current PoE model With very big TO COMPUTER / ROUTER TO OUTSIDE ANTENNA labels, on both sides of the unit, customer wiring mistakes will be almost eliminated. I haven't seen that as a big problem on the PMP320. On Thu, Jun 25, 2015 at 2:57 PM, Sean Heskett af...@zirkel.us wrote: Ray can you please come and hang out with one of my clients for a day and hand them each POE and see which one they can hook up and which one they can't?? Just because you have made this decision doesn't mean it's a good decision and we are asking cambium to reconsider. The new POE sucks! Period! 2cents On Thursday, June 25, 2015, Ray Savich ray.sav...@cambiumnetworks.com wrote: Check out the details at http://community.cambiumnetworks.com/t5/PMP-450/Canopy-POE-end-of-life/m-p/41732 Ray Join the Conversation Cambium Networks Community Forum http://community.cambiumnetworks.com/ *From:* members-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:members-boun...@wispa.org] *On Behalf Of *Sean Heskett *Sent:* Thursday, June 25, 2015 10:38 AM *To:* af@afmug.com *Cc:* memb...@wispa.org *Subject:* Re: [WISPA Members] Canopy POE end of life :-/ Thanks for the link josh. They normally cost ~$10 so the eBay price of $24 is someone trying to make a buck on them before they are gone. Also eventually eBay will run out too so that's not a long term solution. Come on cambium listen to your long time loyal customers! -Sean On Thursday, June 25, 2015, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: http://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_from=R40_trksid=p2050601.m570.l1313.TR0.TRC0.H0.Xcanopy+power+supply.TRS0_nkw=canopy+power+supply_sacat=0 Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Thu, Jun 25, 2015 at 11:24 AM, Sean Heskett af...@zirkel.us wrote: Dear Cambium, Why won't you let us buy the ACPSSW-13B POE if we still want to? It's very frustrating that we now have to change our install procedures AND our tech support procedures. The new POE is also very cumbersome and prone to clients plugging things in backwards etc. Can you either keep selling them or give us access to the manufacturer so that we can still buy them? -Sean ___ Members mailing list memb...@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/members
Re: [AFMUG] Canopy POE end of life :-/
So what does Telrad's POE look like? Is it the same unshielded pigtail style? On Thu, Jun 25, 2015 at 6:32 PM, Sean Heskett af...@zirkel.us wrote: but if i decide to completely move all new installs to telrad they would be very sad puppies. just sayin On Thu, Jun 25, 2015 at 6:26 PM, cstann...@gmail.com wrote: How much do you think they make per Canopy PSU after the stockkeeping / freight /organizational work? $3 ? I'm sure losing those sales won't keep them up at night. -- *From: * TJ Trout t...@voltbb.com *Sender: * Af af-boun...@afmug.com *Date: *Fri, 26 Jun 2015 00:12:22 + *To: *af@afmug.com *ReplyTo: * af@afmug.com *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Canopy POE end of life :-/ That will be really funny if CTI sources them and moto looses out on a bunch of sales, lol On Thu, Jun 25, 2015 at 5:03 PM, Colin Stanners cstann...@gmail.com wrote: With the speed keys and regional variants they have a large amount of product stock already, I imagine they're not trying to keep old items and didn't see a big reason people would want the old-style PSUs. I thought CTI had gotten some PSUs straight from the manufacturer years ago when there was a Motorola shortage, you could check with them. On Thu, Jun 25, 2015 at 6:47 PM, Sean Heskett af...@zirkel.us wrote: Which is great...for you. Why can't I have a choice? Why are they taking it away if there is still demand? Why won't they let us go straight to whatever manufacturer they get them from?? On Thursday, June 25, 2015, Colin Stanners cstann...@gmail.com wrote: I'm one of those that prefer the new PoE: -less outlet space needed -gigabit option (current 450 SMs can reach 75mbit down so it's likely next generation will hit 100+) -can choose whatever cable length is needed to go to PC/router. -won't have the broken RJ tab / wires pulling out of the RJ due to cable weight issues of the current PoE model With very big TO COMPUTER / ROUTER TO OUTSIDE ANTENNA labels, on both sides of the unit, customer wiring mistakes will be almost eliminated. I haven't seen that as a big problem on the PMP320. On Thu, Jun 25, 2015 at 2:57 PM, Sean Heskett af...@zirkel.us wrote: Ray can you please come and hang out with one of my clients for a day and hand them each POE and see which one they can hook up and which one they can't?? Just because you have made this decision doesn't mean it's a good decision and we are asking cambium to reconsider. The new POE sucks! Period! 2cents On Thursday, June 25, 2015, Ray Savich ray.sav...@cambiumnetworks.com wrote: Check out the details at http://community.cambiumnetworks.com/t5/PMP-450/Canopy-POE-end-of-life/m-p/41732 Ray Join the Conversation Cambium Networks Community Forum http://community.cambiumnetworks.com/ *From:* members-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:members-boun...@wispa.org] *On Behalf Of *Sean Heskett *Sent:* Thursday, June 25, 2015 10:38 AM *To:* af@afmug.com *Cc:* memb...@wispa.org *Subject:* Re: [WISPA Members] Canopy POE end of life :-/ Thanks for the link josh. They normally cost ~$10 so the eBay price of $24 is someone trying to make a buck on them before they are gone. Also eventually eBay will run out too so that's not a long term solution. Come on cambium listen to your long time loyal customers! -Sean On Thursday, June 25, 2015, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: http://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_from=R40_trksid=p2050601.m570.l1313.TR0.TRC0.H0.Xcanopy+power+supply.TRS0_nkw=canopy+power+supply_sacat=0 Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Thu, Jun 25, 2015 at 11:24 AM, Sean Heskett af...@zirkel.us wrote: Dear Cambium, Why won't you let us buy the ACPSSW-13B POE if we still want to? It's very frustrating that we now have to change our install procedures AND our tech support procedures. The new POE is also very cumbersome and prone to clients plugging things in backwards etc. Can you either keep selling them or give us access to the manufacturer so that we can still buy them? -Sean ___ Members mailing list memb...@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/members
