Re: [agi] Re: Making an AI from a compressor

2021-05-05 Thread John Rose
Ah oh wow this is an interesting approach, glad somebody is on it: https://arxiv.org/abs/2104.10670 Need to estimate the consciousness and also intelligence by analyzing the compressive characteristics of the information mutually communicated... hmm... --

Re: [agi] Re: Making an AI from a compressor

2021-04-30 Thread John Rose
On Thursday, April 29, 2021, at 10:49 PM, Jim Bromer wrote: > I was reading your comment that, "Storage is transmission," and I realized, > based on an idea I had a number of years ago, that if digital data was in > constant transmission form then the null signal could be used for a value >

Re: [agi] Re: Making an AI from a compressor

2021-04-29 Thread Jim Bromer
I was reading your comment that, "Storage is transmission," and I realized, based on an idea I had a number of years ago, that if digital data was in constant transmission form then the null signal could be used for a value (like 0).  That can't be done when data is stored in a contemporary  

Re: [agi] Re: Making an AI from a compressor

2021-04-29 Thread immortal . discoveries
Gonna have to explain that one clearer Jim, how are you improving prediction here? What is the pattern? -- Artificial General Intelligence List: AGI Permalink: https://agi.topicbox.com/groups/agi/Tbdfca102d702de94-Mc592ea81ca118c5314397980 Delivery

Re: [agi] Re: Making an AI from a compressor

2021-04-29 Thread Jim Bromer
Free Lunch? Maybe https://jamesbromer.com/Freelunch-Maybe.html -- Artificial General Intelligence List: AGI Permalink: https://agi.topicbox.com/groups/agi/Tbdfca102d702de94-M03dd226382fa10c5519d6c69 Delivery options:

Re: [agi] Re: Making an AI from a compressor

2021-04-29 Thread John Rose
On Wednesday, April 28, 2021, at 6:22 PM, immortal.discoveries wrote: > Either JR is just joking in every post or he really believes what he says. > Both are not good cases... My suggestion - build a AI like GPT-2 / PPM, and > see for yourself how one exactly works, to get out of this qualia

Re: [agi] Re: Making an AI from a compressor

2021-04-28 Thread immortal . discoveries
Either JR is just joking in every post or he really believes what he says. Both are not good cases... My suggestion - build a AI like GPT-2 / PPM, and see for yourself how one exactly works, to get out of this qualia bubble your seriously stuck in (clearly you are, yes, I'm telling you, I've

Re: [agi] Re: Making an AI from a compressor

2021-04-28 Thread John Rose
On Wednesday, April 28, 2021, at 11:55 AM, immortal.discoveries wrote: > What matters here is brains can solve many problems by predicting solutions > based on context/ problem given Single brains specialize. Multibrains generalize. That's why they communicate. Multiparty intelligence on a

Re: [agi] Re: Making an AI from a compressor

2021-04-28 Thread John Rose
On Wednesday, April 28, 2021, at 12:01 PM, Jim Bromer wrote: > Malleable compression is an interesting way to put it. Well, we could reframe the concept of compression and redefine it in terms of consciousness and intelligence. Assume panpsychism, all compressors have non-zero consciousness.

Re: [agi] Re: Making an AI from a compressor

2021-04-28 Thread Jim Bromer
Malleable compression is an interesting way to put it. -- Artificial General Intelligence List: AGI Permalink: https://agi.topicbox.com/groups/agi/Tbdfca102d702de94-Mb517e1b5a5fc923ff46099fc Delivery options:

Re: [agi] Re: Making an AI from a compressor

2021-04-28 Thread immortal . discoveries
John says you can compress sometimes horribly/ nothing, sometimes ace it, but not all the time ace all the thing. Here's my answer: Given 100 letters of context that are random, yes a smart brain will fail here because it is random, and given 100 letters all 'a' ex. 'aaaa' it will

Re: [agi] Re: Making an AI from a compressor

2021-04-28 Thread John Rose
On Wednesday, April 28, 2021, at 9:24 AM, Jim Bromer wrote: > I do not think that "compression" per se is the basis of making AI (which is > directly related to the topic). However, I do believe that an AGI (or an > advanced AI) program would like a compressor. I'm with you there Jim, unlike

Re: [agi] Re: Making an AI from a compressor

2021-04-28 Thread Jim Bromer
In response to something I said about cross-generalization, John Rose replied "  You can optimally compress some of the data all of the time, you can optimally compress all of the data some of the time, but you can’t optimally compress all of the data all of the time. It is what it is bruh."

Re: [agi] Re: Making an AI from a compressor

2021-04-27 Thread James Bowery
Ideal induction compresses all data you have to the smallest of all programs that outputs that data exactly. Ideal deduction/prediction runs that program until it outputs all that data plus data you didn't have which are "deductions/predictions". Ideal decision appends an action to your original

[agi] Re: Making an AI from a compressor

2021-04-27 Thread Jim Bromer
There is something about cross-generalizations and cross-categorizations or overlapping insights about concepts (or components of concepts) that make me think of a compression method that would not be an optimal compressor for a narrow task but would be highly sophisticated for AI / AGI. But I

[agi] Re: Making an AI from a compressor

2021-04-24 Thread immortal . discoveries
And, we've already saw DALL-E and Blender, clearly we have Nearly made AGI already, we are extremely close now. You will be able to throw it on anything and let it do the task ex. throw it down the vent and it'll clean your ducts for you, if you get me. Especially if it has a body of course.

[agi] Re: Making an AI from a compressor

2021-04-24 Thread immortal . discoveries
AGI with some enhancements to its brain will be able to do anything I can do, better. But we don't want to test it on a single narrow task ex. can it build towers taller than ones humans have made? We want to test it on a very large diverse set of tasks, like running, cancer, computer speedups,

[agi] Re: Making an AI from a compressor

2021-04-24 Thread WriterOfMinds
Disclaimer: I'm just trying to translate these talking points for better comprehension. I am not a member of the "all intelligence is best modeled as sequence prediction" camp. For one thing, that's a bit too flat or simplistic. (Like saying, "all intelligence is just choosing your next

[agi] Re: Making an AI from a compressor

2021-04-24 Thread WriterOfMinds
It's not so much "making an AI from a compressor" as "making a compressor from an AI." Specifically, it has to be a kind of AI that predicts the next element in a sequence if given past elements of the sequence. You run your prediction algorithm on the file you wish to compress, and store only