Re: [agi] Quelling the "AGI risk" nonsense the old fashioned way: Insurance

2024-03-28 Thread Quan Tesla
You see John? This is the problem. You get asked a direct question about AGI, and you cannot even reply properly. Not even after decades of learning. Shall I repeat it differently then? How the hell is AGI ever going to function without one of the atomic keys on Earth? There are a few of those

Re: [agi] Quelling the "AGI risk" nonsense the old fashioned way: Insurance

2024-03-28 Thread Quan Tesla
One cannot disparage that which already makes no difference either way. John's well, all about John, as can be expected. I've completed work and am still researching. Latest contribution is my theory as to the "where from?" and "why?" of the fine structure constant. Can't imagine achieving AGI

Re: [agi] How AI will kill us

2024-03-28 Thread John Rose
On Wednesday, March 27, 2024, at 3:15 PM, Matt Mahoney wrote: > In my 2008 distributed AGI proposal ( > https://mattmahoney.net/agi2.html ) I described a hostile peer to peer > network where information has negative value and people (and AI) > compete for attention. My focus was on distributing

[agi] Re: Quelling the "AGI risk" nonsense the old fashioned way: Insurance

2024-03-28 Thread James Bowery
This guy's non sequitur response to my position is so inept as to exclude the possibility that it is a LLM. -- Artificial General Intelligence List: AGI Permalink: https://agi.topicbox.com/groups/agi/T5c24d9444d9d9cda-M09295b0b8f3b9a1334921b1e Delivery

Re: [agi] Quelling the "AGI risk" nonsense the old fashioned way: Insurance

2024-03-28 Thread John Rose
On Thursday, March 28, 2024, at 1:45 AM, Quan Tesla wrote: > If yes, what results have you to show for it? There’s no need to disparage the generous contributions by some highly valued and intelligent individuals on this list. I’ve obtained invaluable knowledge and insight from these

Re: [agi] Quelling the "AGI risk" nonsense the old fashioned way: Insurance

2024-03-28 Thread John Rose
On Thursday, March 28, 2024, at 8:44 AM, Quan Tesla wrote: > One cannot disparage that which already makes no difference either way. > John's well, all about John, as can be expected. What?? LOL listen to you  On Thursday, March 28, 2024, at 8:44 AM, Quan Tesla wrote: > I've completed work and

Re: [agi] Re: Quelling the "AGI risk" nonsense the old fashioned way: Insurance

2024-03-28 Thread Quan Tesla
Counter argument. How did neural networks evolve at all on Earth without the fine structure constant (alpha)? For AGI, thinking a biotech jumpstart would do the physics trick, it won't. It's merely a desperate hack, most inelegant and riddled with single points of failure. Essentially, a serial

Re: [agi] Re: Quelling the "AGI risk" nonsense the old fashioned way: Insurance

2024-03-28 Thread Quan Tesla
Would you like a sensible response? What's your position on the probability of AGI without the fine structure constant? On Thu, Mar 28, 2024, 18:00 James Bowery wrote: > This guy's non sequitur response to my position is so inept as to exclude > the possibility that it is a LLM. > *Artificial

Re: [agi] Quelling the "AGI risk" nonsense the old fashioned way: Insurance

2024-03-28 Thread Quan Tesla
John, in terms of dependencies, what came first, the fine structure constant, or AGI? Thus, AGI is indirectly a function of the fine structure constant. If alpha didn't trigger the triple-alpha process, what would be on Earth today? I'm not out to make my theory secretive. I shared these same

Re: [agi] How AI will kill us

2024-03-28 Thread Keyvan M. Sadeghi
> > The problem with finer grades of > like/dislike is that it slows down humans another half a second, which > adds up over thousands of times per day. > I'm not sure the granularity of feedback mechanism is the problem. I think the problem lies in us not knowing if we're looping or contributing

Re: [agi] Quelling the "AGI risk" nonsense the old fashioned way: Insurance

2024-03-28 Thread John Rose
On Thursday, March 28, 2024, at 10:06 AM, Quan Tesla wrote: > At least with an AI-enabled fine structure constant, we could've tried > repopulating selectively and perhaps reversed a lot of the damage we caused > Earth. The idea of AI-enabling the fine-structure constant is thought provoking

Re: [agi] Re: Quelling the "AGI risk" nonsense the old fashioned way: Insurance

2024-03-28 Thread James Bowery
It is nonsense to respond to the OP the way you did unless your purpose is to derail objective metrics of AGI. I can think of lots of reasons to do that, not the least of which is you don't want AGI to happen. On Thu, Mar 28, 2024 at 1:34 PM Quan Tesla wrote: > Would you like a sensible

Re: [agi] Re: Quelling the "AGI risk" nonsense the old fashioned way: Insurance

2024-03-28 Thread Matt Mahoney
On Thu, Mar 28, 2024, 2:34 PM Quan Tesla wrote: > Would you like a sensible response? What's your position on the > probability of AGI without the fine structure constant? > If the fine structure constant were much different than 1/137.0359992 then the binding energy between atoms relative to

Re: [agi] Quelling the "AGI risk" nonsense the old fashioned way: Insurance

2024-03-28 Thread James Bowery
I'm curious, "Tesla". What do you have against metrics? On Thu, Mar 28, 2024 at 9:08 AM Quan Tesla wrote: > You see John? This is the problem. You get asked a direct question about > AGI, and you cannot even reply properly. Not even after decades of > learning. Shall I repeat it differently

Re: [agi] Quelling the "AGI risk" nonsense the old fashioned way: Insurance

2024-03-28 Thread Quan Tesla
Except for the measurement problem, nothing wrong with metrics at all. On Thu, Mar 28, 2024, 21:56 James Bowery wrote: > I'm curious, "Tesla". What do you have against metrics? > > On Thu, Mar 28, 2024 at 9:08 AM Quan Tesla wrote: > >> You see John? This is the problem. You get asked a direct