On Sun, Mar 9, 2008 at 2:09 AM, Mark Waser [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
What is different in my theory is that it handles the case where the
dominant theory turns unfriendly. The core of my thesis is that the
particular Friendliness that I/we are trying to reach is an
attractor --
I've just carefully reread Eliezer's CEV
http://www.singinst.org/upload/CEV.html, and I believe your basic idea
is realizable in Eliezer's envisioned system.
The CEV of humanity is only the initial dynamic, and is *intended* to be
replaced with something better.
I completely agree with
Sure! Friendliness is a state which promotes an entity's own goals;
therefore, any entity will generally voluntarily attempt to return to that
(Friendly) state since it is in it's own self-interest to do so.
In my example it's also explicitly in dominant structure's
self-interest to
On Sun, Mar 9, 2008 at 8:13 PM, Mark Waser [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Sure! Friendliness is a state which promotes an entity's own goals;
therefore, any entity will generally voluntarily attempt to return to
that
(Friendly) state since it is in it's own self-interest to do so.
In my
From: Mark Waser [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
Hmm. Bummer. No new feedback. I wonder if a) I'm still in Well
duh land, b) I'm so totally off the mark that I'm not even worth
replying to, or c) I hope being given enough rope to hang myself.
:-)
I'll read the paper if you post a URL to the finished
On 03/09/2008 10:20 AM,, Mark Waser wrote:
My claim is that my view is something better/closer to the true CEV
of humanity.
Why do you believe it likely that Eliezer's CEV of humanity would not
recognize your approach is better and replace CEV1 with your improved
CEV2, if it is actually
Agree... I have not followed this discussion in detail, but if you have
a concrete proposal written up somewhere in a reasonably compact
format, I'll read it and comment
-- Ben G
On Sun, Mar 9, 2008 at 1:48 PM, Tim Freeman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
From: Mark Waser [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
Hmm.
My impression was that your friendliness-thing was about the strategy
of avoiding being crushed by next big thing that takes over.
My friendliness-thing is that I believe that a sufficiently intelligent
self-interested being who has discovered the f-thing or had the f-thing
explained to it
Why do you believe it likely that Eliezer's CEV of humanity would not
recognize your approach is better and replace CEV1 with your improved
CEV2, if it is actually better?
If it immediately found my approach, I would like to think that it would do
so (recognize that it is better and replace
OK. Sorry for the gap/delay between parts. I've been doing a substantial
rewrite of this section . . . .
Part 4.
Despite all of the debate about how to *cause* Friendly behavior, there's
actually very little debate about what Friendly behavior looks like. Human
beings actually have had the
On Mon, Mar 10, 2008 at 12:35 AM, Mark Waser [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Because you're *NEVER* going to be sure that you're in a position where you
can prevent that from ever happening.
That's a current point of disagreement then. Let's iterate from here.
I'll break it up this way:
1) If I
1) If I physically destroy every other intelligent thing, what is
going to threaten me?
Given the size of the universe, how can you possibly destroy every other
intelligent thing (and be sure that no others ever successfully arise
without you crushing them too)?
Plus, it seems like an
On Sunday 09 March 2008 08:04:39 pm, Mark Waser wrote:
1) If I physically destroy every other intelligent thing, what is
going to threaten me?
Given the size of the universe, how can you possibly destroy every other
intelligent thing (and be sure that no others ever successfully arise
Pack your bags foaks, we're headed toward damnation and hellfire! haha!
Nathan
On Sun, Mar 9, 2008 at 7:10 PM, J Storrs Hall, PhD [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
On Sunday 09 March 2008 08:04:39 pm, Mark Waser wrote:
1) If I physically destroy every other intelligent thing, what is
going to
On 03/09/2008 02:43 PM, Mark Waser wrote:
Why do you believe it likely that Eliezer's CEV of humanity would not
recognize your approach is better and replace CEV1 with your improved
CEV2, if it is actually better?
If it immediately found my approach, I would like to think that it
would do so
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