Re: [agi] self organization

2008-09-15 Thread Terren Suydam
Vlad, At this point, we ought to acknowledge that we just have different approaches. You're trying to hit a very small target accurately and precisely. I'm not. It's not important to me the precise details of how a self-organizing system would actually self-organize, what form that would take

Re: [agi] self organization

2008-09-15 Thread Vladimir Nesov
On Tue, Sep 16, 2008 at 2:50 AM, Terren Suydam <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Once again, I'm not saying that modeling an economy is all that's necessary > to explain intelligence. I'm not even saying it's a necessary condition of > it. What > I am saying is that it looks very likely that the brai

Re: [agi] self organization

2008-09-15 Thread Terren Suydam
Once again, I'm not saying that modeling an economy is all that's necessary to explain intelligence. I'm not even saying it's a necessary condition of it. What I am saying is that it looks very likely that the brain/mind is self-organized, and for those of us looking to biological intelligence

Re: [agi] self organization

2008-09-15 Thread Vladimir Nesov
I guess that intuitively, argument goes like this: 1) economy is more powerful than individual agents, it allows to increase the power of intelligence in individual agents; 2) therefore, economy has an intelligence-increasing potency; 3) so, we can take stupid agents, apply the economy potion to th

Re: [agi] self organization

2008-09-15 Thread Terren Suydam
Hi Vlad, --- On Mon, 9/15/08, Vladimir Nesov <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > We do design these systems. Even if there is no "top > manager" of the > design and production process, even if nobody holds the > whole process > in one mind, it is a result of application of optimization > pressure of > i

Re: [agi] self organization

2008-09-15 Thread Mike Tintner
Terren: I send this along because it's a great example of how systems that self-organize can result in structures and dynamics that are more complex and efficient than anything we can purposefully design. The applicability to the realm of designed intelligence is obvious. Vlad: . Even if

Re: [agi] self organization

2008-09-15 Thread Vladimir Nesov
On Mon, Sep 15, 2008 at 7:23 PM, Terren Suydam <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Hi all, > > Came across this article called "Pencils and Politics". Though a bit of a > tangent, it's the clearest explanation of self-organization in economics I've > encountered. > > http://www.newsweek.com/id/158752 >

[agi] self organization

2008-09-15 Thread Terren Suydam
Hi all, Came across this article called "Pencils and Politics". Though a bit of a tangent, it's the clearest explanation of self-organization in economics I've encountered. http://www.newsweek.com/id/158752 I send this along because it's a great example of how systems that self-organize can