Re: [agi] mouse uploading

2007-04-29 Thread Shane Legg
Numbers for humans vary rather a lot. Some types of cells have up to 200,000 connections (Purkinje neurons) while others have very few. Thus talking about the number of synapses per neuron doesn't make much sense. It all depends on which type of neuron etc. you mean. Anyway, when talking about

Re: [agi] Circular definitions of intelligence

2007-04-29 Thread Shane Legg
Mike, But interestingly while you deny that the given conception of intelligence is rational and deterministic.. you then proceed to argue rationally and deterministically. Universal intelligence is not based on a definition of what rationality is. It is based on the idea of achievement. I

[agi] HOW ADAPTIVE ARE YOU [NOVAMENTE] BEN?

2007-04-29 Thread Mike Tintner
OK, here I think is the simplest test of adaptivity that cuts right to the heart of the matter, and provides the most central measure of ADAPTIVE (i.e. DIVERGENT) intelligence as distinct from CONVERGENT, algorithmic intelligence. My assumption: your system has this agent/guy moving around a

Re: [agi] rule-based NL system

2007-04-29 Thread Jean-Paul Van Belle
@ Mike: remember that she wasn't blind/deaf from birth - read her autobiographical account (available on project gutenberg - which is an excellent corpus source btw - also available on DVD :) for how he finally hooked up the concept of words as tokens for real world concepts when linking the word

[agi] Re: HOW ADAPTIVE ARE YOU [NOVAMENTE] BEN? P.S.

2007-04-29 Thread Mike Tintner
Ah.. I didn't get the test quite right. It isn't simply how many alternative ways can you find of achievng any goal? You might have pre-specified a vast number of ways of moving from A to B for the system. The test is: how many NEW (non-specified) alternative ways can you find of achieving

Re: [agi] HOW ADAPTIVE ARE YOU [NOVAMENTE] BEN?

2007-04-29 Thread Benjamin Goertzel
My assumption: your system has this agent/guy moving around a home/office environment. [Adjust question accordingly if not] He has a simple task: Move from A to B or D. But the normal answer Walk it is for whatever reason no good, blocked. The simple test is this: how many alternative ways of

Re: [agi] HOW ADAPTIVE ARE YOU [NOVAMENTE] BEN?

2007-04-29 Thread Benjamin Goertzel
What is harder is as follows: if goals G1 and G2 look to be related, and the system has learned a bunch of ways to fulfill G1; then, this latter fact should make it easier for the system to find ways to fulfill G2 (than if it hadn't learned ways to fulfill G1 already). This is known as transfer

Re: [agi] Circular definitions of intelligence

2007-04-29 Thread Benjamin Goertzel
Shane: According to Ben Goertzel, Ph. D, Since universal intelligence is only definable up to an arbitrary constant, it's of at best ~heuristic~ value in thinking about the constructure of real AI systems. In reality, different universally intelligent modules may be practically applicable to

[agi] Uh oh ... someone has beaten Novamente to the end goal!

2007-04-29 Thread Benjamin Goertzel
Just kidding ;-) -- Forwarded message -- From: Robin Lee Powell [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Apr 29, 2007 2:58 AM Subject: About the wierdest mail I've ever received. [ [EMAIL PROTECTED]: confidential and revolutionary message] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Here's me giving up on the

Re: [agi] Circular definitions of intelligence

2007-04-29 Thread Russell Wallace
On 4/29/07, Benjamin Goertzel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: To use another pragmatic example, both LISP and FORTRAN have universal computing power, but, some programs are **way** shorter to code in LISP than FORTRAN, and this makes a big practical difference. Even though it's true that length(P in

Re: [agi] Circular definitions of intelligence

2007-04-29 Thread Shane Legg
Ben, Are you claiming that the choice of compiler constant is not pragmatically significant in the definition of the Solomonoff-Levin universal prior, and in Kolmogorov complexity? For finite binary sequences... I really don't see this, so it would be great if you could elaborate. In some

Re: [agi] Circular definitions of intelligence

2007-04-29 Thread Benjamin Goertzel
I think that the hardest part to finding a solution to a difficult problem often lies in finding the right way to view the problem, in order words, the right representation. Cheers Shane Yes ... but, what this means is that a critical task of AGI design is to be sure your AGI has, or has

Re: [agi] Uh oh ... someone has beaten Novamente to the end goal!

2007-04-29 Thread Mike Dougherty
On 4/29/07, Benjamin Goertzel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Holding a new computer at your home such as myself will take very little space( less than 2 square meters) and this will never waste your time (you can use your new computer whenever you want) and you will be of course able to continue your

Re: [agi] HOW ADAPTIVE ARE YOU [NOVAMENTE] BEN?

2007-04-29 Thread Mike Dougherty
On 4/29/07, Mike Tintner [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: He has a simple task: Move from A to B or D. But the normal answer Walk it is for whatever reason no good, blocked. Disambiguate- 1. Move from starting point A to either B or D 2. Move from either A to B or take another option D I feel we

Re: [agi] HOW ADAPTIVE ARE YOU [NOVAMENTE] BEN?

2007-04-29 Thread Richard Loosemore
Mike Dougherty wrote: On 4/29/07, Mike Tintner [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: He has a simple task: Move from A to B or D. But the normal answer Walk it is for whatever reason no good, blocked. Disambiguate- 1. Move from starting point A to either B or D 2. Move from either A to B or take another

Re: [agi] HOW ADAPTIVE ARE YOU [NOVAMENTE] BEN?

2007-04-29 Thread Mike Tintner
Er sorry. The ambiguity arises because I wanted the journey to be a reasonable distance...let's say through two or three rooms/ corridors or more - a distance where a range of solutions like those proposed - use a scooter/ have s.o. carry you in a wheelbarrow ... would be relevant - as

Re: [agi] rule-based NL system

2007-04-29 Thread Mark Waser
Again, in bold blue below. Original Message - From: YKY (Yan King Yin) To: agi@v2.listbox.com Sent: Sunday, April 29, 2007 1:01 AM Subject: Re: [agi] rule-based NL system Mark, I need to know a bit more about your approach. What do you mean when you say grammar is

SV: [agi] mouse uploading

2007-04-29 Thread Jan Mattsson
Has this approach been successful for any lesser animals? E.g.; has anyone simulated an insect brain system connected to a simulated insect body in a virtual environment? Starting with a mouse brain seems a bit ambitious. Since I haven't posted on the list before I guess I should introduce

Re: SV: [agi] mouse uploading

2007-04-29 Thread Charles D Hixson
I think someone at UCLA did something similar for lobsters. This was used as material for an SF story (Lobsters, Charles Stross[sp?]) Jan Mattsson wrote: Has this approach been successful for any lesser animals? E.g.; has anyone simulated an insect brain system connected to a simulated

Re: [agi] HOW ADAPTIVE ARE YOU [NOVAMENTE] BEN?

2007-04-29 Thread Mike Dougherty
On 4/29/07, Richard Loosemore [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The idea that human beings should constrain themselves to a simplified, artificial kind of speech in order to make life easier for an AI, is one of those Big Excuses that AI developers have made, over the years, to cover up the fact that

Re: [agi] HOW ADAPTIVE ARE YOU [NOVAMENTE] BEN?

2007-04-29 Thread Mike Tintner
Mike, There is something fascinating going on here - if you could suspend your desire for precision, you might see that you are at least half-consciously offering contributions as well as objections. (Tune in to your constructive side). I remember thinking that you were probably