By coincidence whilst the debate was raging last night (local time:), I was
busy reading 'Studying Those Who Study Us, An anthropologist in the world of
artificial intelligence', (Stanford University Press, 2001) which is a
posthumous collection of academic essays by Diana Forsythe. She roamed 4
Mike,
I think that the central point of language is that it can be treated as
consisting of general, abstract, "open-ended scripts" (the last being
another way of describing "concepts").
The value of language then is that I can tell you "Go to the movies for 2
hours" - and I do not have to
Thanks, Richard. That was interesting.
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From: Richard Loosemore [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, November 28, 2007 8:22 PM
To: agi@v2.listbox.com
Subject: Re: Hacker intelligence level [WAS Re: [agi] Funding AGI research]
Ed Porter wrote:
> Richard,
>
> Wh
On Nov 28, 2007 9:23 PM, Mike Tintner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> An open-ended, ambiguous language is in fact the sine qua non of AGI.
> Thankyou for indirectly pointing that out to me.
Would you agree that an absolutely precise language with zero
ambiguity would be somewhat stifling for use in
JAR: These arguments are based entirely the desire to create a language
that can
turn a thoroughly ambiguous and contradictory specification into a
perfectly working program, without grokking that programming languages
are *by necessity* non-ambiguous and require consistent constraints --
explic
Ed Porter wrote:
Richard,
What ever happen to the Java concept of the sandbox, that totally safe play
space for code from over the web. I assume it proved to be a pipe dream, or
was it that the market placed demanded to break free of the sandbox, so the
concept never got a chance.
Well, wha
Richard,
What ever happen to the Java concept of the sandbox, that totally safe play
space for code from over the web. I assume it proved to be a pipe dream, or
was it that the market placed demanded to break free of the sandbox, so the
concept never got a chance.
Ed Porter
-Original Messa
Richard, thanks for the brain dump.
Your description of what cortical column might do match what Hecht-Nieilson
says his brain areas do, except he envisions a much smaller number of them
(see "The Mechanism of Thought" by Robert Hecht-Nielsen at
http://r.ucsd.edu/Publications.htm).
Ed Porter
-
On Nov 28, 2007, at 12:17 PM, Robin Gane-McCalla wrote:
The only substantive cultural bias in programming languages is the
pervasive use of English language keywords,
how can you say that? Programming is essentially a way to solve
problems and all cultures solve problems differently.
This i
Edward,
There are no well-articulated theories here. I guess that columns are
induction chips: they have potential all-to-all connectivity, so they
can learn the rule in form 'after this signal comes that signal' for
any two signals in column. My current bet is that something not that
much more in
Ed Porter wrote:
Richard,
To the uninformed like me, can you explain why it would be so easy for an
intelligent person to cause great harm on the net. What are the major
weaknesses of the architectures of virtually all operating systems that
allow this. It is just lots of little bugs.
It wou
Ed Porter wrote:
Richard,
Any ideas on what do such 10^5 neuron cortical columns represent? For
example, how do they relate to the multiple topological maps in the brain?
They all represent just one concept, or do they represent families of
related concepts? Or perhaps do the neurons of each
Richard,
Any ideas on what do such 10^5 neuron cortical columns represent? For
example, how do they relate to the multiple topological maps in the brain?
They all represent just one concept, or do they represent families of
related concepts? Or perhaps do the neurons of each maxi-column act in
Richard,
To the uninformed like me, can you explain why it would be so easy for an
intelligent person to cause great harm on the net. What are the major
weaknesses of the architectures of virtually all operating systems that
allow this. It is just lots of little bugs.
Ed Porter
-Original M
Ed Porter wrote:
Richard,
Since hacking is a fairly big, organized crime supported, business in
eastern Europe and Russia, since the potential rewards for it relative to
most jobs in those countries can be huge, and since Russia has a tradition
of excellence in math and science, I would be very
> From: Richard Loosemore [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
> I can answer this for you, because I was once an anti-virus developer,
> so I have seen the internal code of more viruses than I care to think
> about.
>
> The answer is NO. Malicious hackers are among the world's most stupid
> programmers.
Benjamin Goertzel wrote:
ED>I must admit, I have never heard cortical column described as
containing 10^5 neurons. The figure I have commonly seen is 10^2 neurons
for a cortical column, although my understanding is that the actual number
could be either less or more. I guess the 10^5 figure
Richard,
Since hacking is a fairly big, organized crime supported, business in
eastern Europe and Russia, since the potential rewards for it relative to
most jobs in those countries can be huge, and since Russia has a tradition
of excellence in math and science, I would be very surprised if there
Dennis Gorelik wrote:
Richard,
I had something very specific in mind when I said that,
because I was meaning that in a "complex systems" AGI project, there is
a need to do a massive, parallel search of a space of algorithms. This
is what you might call a "data collection" phase. It is because
> Only to the extent that mathematics is "man-defined", but then physics
> et al are built entirely on mathematics so I'm not sure where you are
> going with this. Computer science, and by extension AI, is not a
> field coalesced out of an arbitrary set of brain farts.
Computer Science and AI are
Matt Mahoney wrote:
--- "John G. Rose" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
From: Matt Mahoney [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
What are the best current examples of (to any extent) self-building
software
?
So far, most of the effort has been concentrated on acquiring the
necessary
computing power. http://e
On Nov 28, 2007, at 10:32 AM, Ed Porter wrote:
I talked to her about the gap between women and men in science, and
she
claimed under her stewardship her junior high schools got a grant to
promote
the teaching of math to girls, and, in stark contrast to the previous
condition, after several y
J AR: Being able to
manipulate complex multi-dimensional graphs in your head and communicate
without ambiguity are the only background skills required to be a good
software geek; the latter is learnable,
.. which makes such geeks rather ill-equipped to deal with language which is
arguably
At a funeral for a friend of my parents in Maine I met one of my deceased
bright mother's bright friends who managed a consolidated school districts
that covered several small towns near Brunswick, Me.
I talked to her about the gap between women and men in science, and she
claimed under her stewar
On Nov 28, 2007, at 9:18 AM, Robin Gane-McCalla wrote:
The interesting thing about CS and AI is that they are man-defined
fields whereas physics, chemistry, biology etc are defined by nature.
Only to the extent that mathematics is "man-defined", but then physics
et al are built entirely on
> From: Bob Mottram [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> I don't think we yet know enough about how DNA works to be able to
> call it a conglomerated mess, but you're probably right that the same
> principle applies to any information system adapting over time.
>
> Similarly the thinking of teenagers or yo
> ED>I must admit, I have never heard cortical column described as
> containing 10^5 neurons. The figure I have commonly seen is 10^2 neurons
> for a cortical column, although my understanding is that the actual number
> could be either less or more. I guess the 10^5 figure would relate to
>
>Where are the women?
I once read a short article on this topic. The author was trying to
explain it suggesting that many technical books are using rather
man-appealing analogies when explaining concepts which has
discouraging effect for women. They were about experiment with this in
Germany, plan
ED> Matt Mahoney's below copied November 27, 2007 9:56 PM post had much
more informative content than most.
As I understood it, it was as a strong rebuttal to those who entertain the
fantasy that the ">...human's brain computational power is about the same as
of modern PC." And that "> AGI so
> From: Mike Tintner [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >
> Mike: To be fair, ask this same question but replace women with any
> other
> > 'minority' and see if it's still a problem.
> >
> I think women are the majority, aren't they? Anyway, yes, women are
> remarkably absent here. You will find them in
Mike: To be fair, ask this same question but replace women with any other
'minority' and see if it's still a problem.
I think women are the majority, aren't they? Anyway, yes, women are
remarkably absent here. You will find them in fair numbers on science and
philosophy groups for example.
On Nov 28, 2007 9:20 AM, Mike Tintner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Sunday, November 25, 2007
>
> Think Geek. Bet you're not picturing a woman.
Nothing about a [computer] geek necessarily implies gender at all.
To be fair, ask this same question but replace women with any other
'minority' and see
Sunday, November 25, 2007
By PATRICIA ALEX
STAFF WRITER
Think Geek. Bet you're not picturing a woman.
For all the progress women have made in traditionally male-dominated fields,
they remain a small and shrinking minority in computer sciences, a
discipline that has come to dominate so much of
Dennis Gorelik wrote on November 27, 2007 9:38 PM
>"Sorry, but building AGI is less complex than building software
>that is able to build AGI."
At the current stages this may be true, but it should be remembered that
building a human-level AGI would be creating a machine that would itself,
with t
--- "J. Andrew Rogers" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> On Nov 27, 2007, at 7:21 PM, Matt Mahoney wrote:
> > As a counterexample, evolution is already smarter than
> > the human brain. It just takes more computing power. Evolution has
> > figured
> > out how to make humans out of simple chemic
I don't think we yet know enough about how DNA works to be able to
call it a conglomerated mess, but you're probably right that the same
principle applies to any information system adapting over time.
Similarly the thinking of teenagers or young adults is sometimes quite
clear (almost cartoon-like
> Are the hackers smart enough to control an evolutionary process whose fitness
> function is the acquisition of computing resources?
It's an amusing thought that advanced AIs might emerge out of
organized crime, where the fitness function is to control more
computers and steal more data. Perhap
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