2008/11/26 Ed Porter [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
As we learn just how common exoplanets are, the possibility that aliens have
visited earth seems increasingly scientifically believable
I'm not sure that alien visitation logically follows from the
discovery of exoplanets.
There have, in fact, been
John, an impressive effort and wonderful direction, an analytical psychology
of the Good in humans is sorely lacking and the focus on human sickness has
had a monopoly for way too long and with untold negative consequences for
society at large. assuming these meanings are correct (or will be fine
Bob,
I share much of your skepticism, and many of your reasons for doubting.
I have never experienced a UFO, but several people I have known and
generally trusted, and who are not drug users or wackos, have claimed to
have seen them directly. But I have a tremendous belief in the
You'll remember that I've been saying this for quite a while - now Kevin
Kelly is saying it - and you'll be hearing a lot more of this
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/11/23/magazine/23wwln-future-t.html?_r=2sq=KEVIN%20KELLYst=csescp=1pagewanted=all
Intelligence that is rationality without
Yes, but rationality without imagination and creativity is just a
bogus straw man construct ... certainly, it is never what I mean
when I talk about rationality ...
Obsession with visual images is a whole other issue, though. It seems
very obvious that an AI or alien organism with no visual
Although a lot of AI-type research focuses on natural language interfaces
between computer systems and their human users, computers have the ability to
create visual images (which people can't do in real-time beyond gestures and
facial expressions). Building computer systems that generate
--- On Tue, 11/25/08, Eliezer Yudkowsky [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Shane Legg, I don't mean to be harsh, but your attempt to link
Kolmogorov complexity to intelligence is causing brain damage among
impressionable youths.
( Link debunked here:
On Wed, Nov 26, 2008 at 5:07 PM, Ed Porter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
In my own rather skeptical mind, if I were to make a wild guess I would
currently put the probability of this at roughly at least one in ten, a
large enough possibility that it should, at least, be considered in
discussions of
Derek wrote:
Building computer systems that generate pictures or videos as their way of
communicating with us could be a very lucrative addition to computer
applications that include cognitive models of their users (instead of
focusing solely on generating natural language), because most of
Ben,
I should explain rationality - I mean it technically to cover (principally
formal) language, logic and maths, including geometry. These are all the
sign systems (inherited from the Greeks) which convert the world into more
or less hard-edged, more or less abstract boxes - words, numbers,
On Thu, Nov 27, 2008 at 1:43 AM, Mike Tintner [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Intelligence that is rationality without imagination, symbol manipulation
without image manipulation, basically paper-based rather than screen-based
(or consciousness-based), isn't intelligence at all.
Although this may
2008/11/26 Ed Porter [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
I have never experienced a UFO, but several people I have known and
generally trusted, and who are not drug users or wackos, have claimed to
have seen them directly.
belief (Y, foo)
belief (X, credibility (Y) minimum credibility (X)) || dominance
Aleksei
Thanks for the link. It is interesting.
Before I started hearing estimates for how common exoplanets were, I thought
visits from aliens were a possibility, because I like to have an open mind,
but an extremely small one. Now I believe it is a large enough probability
that any
Translate into English, please.
-Original Message-
From: Bob Mottram [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, November 26, 2008 1:35 PM
To: agi@v2.listbox.com
Subject: Re: [agi] If aliens are monitoring us, our development of AGI might
concern them
2008/11/26 Ed Porter [EMAIL
For decades I have always imagined that my dream machine would be able to
not only talk to me in a conversational manner, but be able to generate real
time video, like that in a coherent documentary or a movie, that is context
appropriate to my discussion with it. I have always imagined that I
- Original Message -
From: Mike Tintner [EMAIL PROTECTED]
I should explain rationality
No Mike, you *really* shouldn't. Repurposing words like you do merely leads
to confusion not clarity . . . .
Actual general intelligence in humans and animals is indisputably
continuously
Hmmm...
I don't think your conceptualization of rationality is particularly
useful ...
I do think formal reasoning is a useful category to distinguish, but
this is much narrower than what you're somewhat arbitrarily lumping
into the category of rationality
I don't think it's sensible to say
Formal reasoning can be thought of as medium, a canvas on which your
imagination draws structures serving your goals best, that solve your
problem or are simply aesthetically pleasing. There is an infinite
number of possible formal derivations, theorems and proofs;
limitations of formality of
What I want to emphasize is that our world is bathed in signals from
superintelligent civilizations every day. The way you can put an
antenna into the ground and use the Earth to conduct radio
frequencies, these things are using the organization of space and
time. The laws of physics and the
What evidence, other than your thoughts when using drugs, do you have for
such statements?
-Original Message-
From: Eric Burton [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, November 26, 2008 5:22 PM
To: agi@v2.listbox.com
Subject: Re: [agi] If aliens are monitoring us, our development of
Thoughts are surely a subset of felt experience. The contact
experiences reliably induced by committed doses of for instance
psilocibin are objective, not subjective events! They are breaches in
consensus reality, they mutate it. I don't know the source of the
information I've received when
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