On Wed, Jul 14, 2010 at 10:35 PM, Michael Swan ms...@voyagergaming.comwrote:
I'd argue that mathematical operations are unnecesary,
we don't even have integer support inbuilt.
I'd disagree. is a mathematical operation, and in combination can
become an enormous number of concepts.
And yet you dream dreams wh. are broad-ranging in subject matter, unlike all
programs wh. are extremely narrow-ranging.
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From: Michael Swan ms...@voyagergaming.com
Sent: Thursday, July 15, 2010 5:16 AM
To: agi agi@v2.listbox.com
Subject: Re:
Actually, Fibonacci numbers can be computed without loops or recursion.
int fib(int x) {
return round(pow((1+sqrt(5))/2, x)/sqrt(5));
}
unless you argue that loops are needed to compute sqrt() and pow().
The brain and DNA use redundancy and parallelism and don't use loops because
their
On Wed, 2010-07-14 at 07:48 -0700, Matt Mahoney wrote:
Actually, Fibonacci numbers can be computed without loops or recursion.
int fib(int x) {
return round(pow((1+sqrt(5))/2, x)/sqrt(5));
}
;) I know. I was wondering if someone would pick up on it. This won't
prove that brains have loops
Michael Swan wrote:
What 3456/6 ?
we don't know, at least not from the top of our head.
No, it took me about 10 or 20 seconds to get 576. Starting with the first
digit,
3/6 = 1/2 (from long term memory) and 3 is in the thousands place, so 1/2 of
1000 is 500 (1/2 = .5 from LTM). I write 500
Michael :The brains slow and unreliable methods I think are the price paid
for
generality and innately unreliable hardware
Yes to one - nice to see an AGI-er finally starting to join up the dots,
instead of simply dismissing the brain's massive difficulties in maintaining
a train of thought.
A demonstration of global connectedness is - associate with anO
I get:
number, sun, dish, disk, ball, letter, mouth, two fingers, oh, circle,
wheel, wire coil, outline, station on metro, hole, Kenneth Noland painting,
ring, coin, roundabout
connecting among other things - language,
On Wed, 2010-07-14 at 17:51 -0700, Matt Mahoney wrote:
Michael Swan wrote:
What 3456/6 ?
we don't know, at least not from the top of our head.
No, it took me about 10 or 20 seconds to get 576. Starting with the first
digit,
3/6 = 1/2 (from long term memory) and 3 is in the thousands
On Wed, Jul 14, 2010 at 4:53 PM, Michael Swan ms...@voyagergaming.comwrote:
On Wed, 2010-07-14 at 07:48 -0700, Matt Mahoney wrote:
Actually, Fibonacci numbers can be computed without loops or recursion.
int fib(int x) {
return round(pow((1+sqrt(5))/2, x)/sqrt(5));
}
;) I know. I was
On Thu, 2010-07-15 at 01:37 +0100, Mike Tintner wrote:
Michael :The brains slow and unreliable methods I think are the price paid
for
generality and innately unreliable hardware
Yes to one - nice to see an AGI-er finally starting to join up the dots,
instead of simply dismissing the
I'd argue that mathematical operations are unnecesary,
we don't even have integer support inbuilt.
I'd disagree. is a mathematical operation, and in combination can
become an enormous number of concepts.
Sure, I think the brain is more sensibly understood in a
programattical sense than
Well, if you want a simple but complete operator set, you can go with
-- Schonfinkel combinator plus two parentheses
or
-- S and K combinator plus two parentheses
and I suppose you could add
-- input
-- output
-- forget
statements to this, but I'm not sure what this gets you...
Actually,
On Tue, 2010-07-13 at 07:00 -0400, Ben Goertzel wrote:
Well, if you want a simple but complete operator set, you can go with
-- Schonfinkel combinator plus two parentheses
I'll check this out soon.
or
-- S and K combinator plus two parentheses
and I suppose you could add
-- input
Michael: We can't do operations that
require 1,000,000 loop iterations. I wish someone would give me a PHD
for discovering this ;) It far better describes our differences than any
other theory.
Michael,
This isn't a competitive point - but I think I've made that point several
times (and so of
Brain loops:
Premise:
Biological brain code does not contain looping constructs, or the
ability to creating looping code, (due to the fact they are extremely
dangerous on unreliable hardware) except for 1 global loop that fires
about 200 times a second.
Hypothesis:
Brains cannot calculate
Hi,
I'm interested in combining the simplest, most derivable operations
( eg operations that cannot be defined by other operations) for creating
seed AGI's. The simplest operations combined in a multitude ways can
form extremely complex patterns, but the underlying logic may be
simple.
I wonder
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