Matt,
You can feed it with text. Then AGI would simply parse text [and
optionally - Google it].
No need for massive computational capabilities.
Not when you can just use Google's 10^6 CPU cluster and its database with 10^9
human contributors.
That's one of my points: our current
, December 07, 2007 3:26 PM
To: agi@v2.listbox.com
Subject: Re: [agi] Do we need massive computational capabilities?
Matt,
First of all, we are, I take it, discussing how the brain or a computer can
recognize an individual face from a video - obviously the brain cannot
match a face to a selection
Mike,
What you describe - is set of AGI nodes.
AGI prototype is just one of such node.
AGI researcher doesn't have to develop all set at once. It's quite
sufficient to develop only one AGI node. Such node will be able to
work on single PC.
I believe Matt's proposal is not as much about the
On Dec 8, 2007 5:33 PM, Dennis Gorelik [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
What you describe - is set of AGI nodes.
AGI prototype is just one of such node.
AGI researcher doesn't have to develop all set at once. It's quite
sufficient to develop only one AGI node. Such node will be able to
work on
Sounds like the worst case scenario: computations that need between say 20 and
100 PCs. Too big to run on a very souped up server (4-way Quad processor with
128GB RAM) but to scale up to a 100 Beowulf PC cluster typically means a factor
10 slow-down due to communications (unless it's a
On Dec 7, 2007 7:09 AM, Mike Tintner [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Matt,:AGI research needs
special hardware with massive computational capabilities.
Could you give an example or two of the kind of problems that your AGI
system(s) will need such massive capabilities to solve? It's so good -
If I had 100 of the highest specification PCs on my desktop today (and
it would be a big desk!) linked via a high speed network this wouldn't
help me all that much. Provided that I had the right knowledge I
think I could produce a proof of concept type AGI on a single PC
today, even if it ran
On Dec 7, 2007 10:21 AM, Bob Mottram [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
If I had 100 of the highest specification PCs on my desktop today (and
it would be a big desk!) linked via a high speed network this wouldn't
help me all that much. Provided that I had the right knowledge I
think I could produce a
Matt,:AGI research needs
special hardware with massive computational capabilities.
Could you give an example or two of the kind of problems that your AGI
system(s) will need such massive capabilities to solve? It's so good - in
fact, I would argue, essential - to ground these
Thanks. And I repeat my question elsewhere : you don't think that the human
brain which does this in say half a second, (right?), is using massive
computation to recognize that face?
You guys with all your mathematical calculations re the brain's total
neurons and speed of processing surely
--- Mike Tintner [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Thanks. And I repeat my question elsewhere : you don't think that the human
brain which does this in say half a second, (right?), is using massive
computation to recognize that face?
So if I give you a video clip then you can match the person in
On Dec 7, 2007 7:41 PM, Dennis Gorelik [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
No, my proposal requires lots of regular PCs with regular network
connections.
Properly connected set of regular PCs would usually have way more
power than regular PC.
That makes your hardware request special.
My point is -
guess.
Ed Porter
-Original Message-
From: Mike Tintner [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, December 07, 2007 5:08 PM
To: agi@v2.listbox.com
Subject: Re: [agi] Do we need massive computational capabilities?
ED PORTER # When you say It only takes a few steps to retrieve
the problem of
scaling up large systems.
Ed Porter
-Original Message-
From: Bob Mottram [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, December 07, 2007 10:21 AM
To: agi@v2.listbox.com
Subject: Re: [agi] Do we need massive computational capabilities?
If I had 100 of the highest specification PCs
--- Dennis Gorelik [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Matt,
For example, I disagree with Matt's claim that AGI research needs
special hardware with massive computational capabilities.
I don't claim you need special hardware.
But you claim that you need massive computational capabilities
Clearly the brain works VASTLY differently and more efficiently than current
computers - are you seriously disputing that?
It is very clear that in many respects the brain is much less efficient than
current digital computers and software.
It is more energy-efficient by and large, as Read
Matt,
No, my proposal requires lots of regular PCs with regular network connections.
Properly connected set of regular PCs would usually have way more
power than regular PC.
That makes your hardware request special.
My point is - AGI can successfully run on singe regular PC.
Special hardware
On Friday 07 December 2007, Mike Tintner wrote:
P.S. You also don't answer my question re: how many neurons in total
*can* be activated within a half second, or given period, to work on
a given problem - given their relative slowness of communication? Is
it indeed possible for hundreds of
Matt,
Matt,:AGI research needs
special hardware with massive computational capabilities.
Could you give an example or two of the kind of problems that your AGI
system(s) will need such massive capabilities to solve? It's so good - in
fact, I would argue, essential - to ground these
the correct
understanding, others didn't, at least from my quick read.
Ed Porter
-Original Message-
From: Mike Tintner [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, December 07, 2007 3:26 PM
To: agi@v2.listbox.com
Subject: Re: [agi] Do we need massive computational capabilities?
Matt,
First
Matt,
First of all, we are, I take it, discussing how the brain or a computer can
recognize an individual face from a video - obviously the brain cannot
match a face to a selection of a billion other faces.
Hawkins' answer to your point that the brain runs masses of neurons in
parallel
--- Mike Tintner [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Matt,:AGI research needs
special hardware with massive computational capabilities.
Could you give an example or two of the kind of problems that your AGI
system(s) will need such massive capabilities to solve? It's so good - in
fact, I
RE: [agi] Do we need massive computational capabilities?ED PORTER # When
you say It only takes a few steps to retrieve something from memory. I hope
you realize that depending how you count steps, it actually probably takes
hundreds of millions of steps or more. It is just that millions
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