Re: Lojban (was Re: [agi] constructivist issues)

2008-10-23 Thread Matt Mahoney
--- On Thu, 10/23/08, Mark Waser <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hi.  I don't understand the following > statements.  Could you explain it some more? >   >> - Natural language can be learned from examples. Formal language >> can not. I really mean that formal languages like C++ and HTML are not des

Re: Lojban (was Re: [agi] constructivist issues)

2008-10-23 Thread Ben Goertzel
inal Message - > *From:* Matt Mahoney <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > *To:* agi@v2.listbox.com > *Sent:* Wednesday, October 22, 2008 9:23 PM > *Subject:* Lojban (was Re: [agi] constructivist issues) > > Why would anyone use a simplified or formalized English (with regular > grammar a

Re: Lojban (was Re: [agi] constructivist issues)

2008-10-23 Thread Mark Waser
ednesday, October 22, 2008 9:23 PM Subject: Lojban (was Re: [agi] constructivist issues) Why would anyone use a simplified or formalized English (with regular grammar and no ambiguities) as a path to natural language understanding? Formal language processing has nothing to do w

Re: Lojban (was Re: [agi] constructivist issues)

2008-10-22 Thread Ben Goertzel
Lojban is a unique case as it has the flexibility to be a formal language, a language as ambiguous as English or more so, and to exist at any level inbetween as well... one could use it in exploratory AI work in a variety of ways... On Wed, Oct 22, 2008 at 10:36 PM, Trent Waddington < [EMAIL PROTE

Re: Lojban (was Re: [agi] constructivist issues)

2008-10-22 Thread Trent Waddington
On Thu, Oct 23, 2008 at 11:23 AM, Matt Mahoney <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > So how does yet another formal language processing system help us understand > natural language? This route has been a dead end for 50 years, in spite of > the ability to always make some initial progress before getting stu

Re: Lojban (was Re: [agi] constructivist issues)

2008-10-22 Thread Ben Goertzel
[Usual disclaimer: this is not the approach I'm taking, but I don't find it stupid] The idea is that by teaching an AI in a minimally-ambiguous language, one can build up its commonsense understanding such that it can then deal with the ambiguities of natural language better, using this understand

Lojban (was Re: [agi] constructivist issues)

2008-10-22 Thread Matt Mahoney
Why would anyone use a simplified or formalized English (with regular grammar and no ambiguities) as a path to natural language understanding? Formal language processing has nothing to do with natural language processing other than sharing a common lexicon that make them appear superficially sim